Why use them as an example at all? They don't exemplify the 'Igbo situation' in any way, other than the fact that we are apparently lodged here in this construct called Nigeria. A better example would have been the Ibibio groups, and even the Ijo sef, but never Yoruba and Hausa.

Why even look for a reference to begin with? Can people's points not stand in their own right?

Obiagu1:

Nri/Awka has never imposed anything on you.
Just name one thing Nri/Awka imposed on you, just one thing; and if you can't, then simply apologise and leave Igbo issues for matured and stable minds.

ChinenyeN:

I honestly don't get why Igbo here on NL must constantly make references to Yoruba and Hausa peoples.

mbatuku2:

There seem to be a bit of exaggeration in your claims. I think you are blowing things out of proportion. In the real world, most Igbos dont feel alienated from each other, save for some groups like Mbaise, some groups in Ebonyi, etc that are generally derided.

It's the same way the Yorubas despise the Ijebu and Egba people. It happens in every society, and doesn't affect the unity of a people at large.

ChinenyeN:

Why use them as an example at all? They don't exemplify the 'Igbo situation' in any way, other than the fact that we are apparently lodged here in this construct called Nigeria. A better example would have been the Ibibio groups, and even the Ijo sef, but never Yoruba and Hausa.

Why even look for a reference to begin with? Can people's points not stand in their own right?

ChinenyeN:

I honestly don't get why Igbo here on NL must constantly make references to Yoruba and Hausa peoples.

Obiagu1:

This is coming from a fella who once said that the Igbos used to be known as "Oha".
Sorry OP, you're really a confused fella.

Tell me the Igbo Izugbe we speak where it came from, North or South? Nobody said anything.
It is the beginning of psychosomatics and the early you stop thinking about Igbo and focus on your business or work and other social life that will keep you happy and relaxed, the better for you.

Nri/Awka has never imposed anything on you.
Just name one thing Nri/Awka imposed on you, just one thing; and if you can't, then simply apologise and leave Igbo issues for matured and stable minds.

KenGali:

Interesting thread! While I dislike un-necessary fragmentation, I always enjoy when uncomfortable Igbo issues are fleshed out to throw away misgivinggs.

First lets assume that everything Abagworo said is true, then So what? You want to start ethinic groups called Southern Igbo and Northern Igbo?
There are certains ascertions and goals that I connot comprehend there purpose at all. If Igbos are not all of the same blood line, the commonalities of there language is enough reason to bind them as a nation.

Let me point a few things out!

1. There is hardly any group you can point to with a claim pure homogeneity as per blood. Not Germany, nor France nor the English. Any prosperous people will have migrants, sojourners and refuge seekers among there mist. How these played out and the cultural interactions for Igbos are not relevant to the definition of Igbos in today’s Nigeria or as a group striving for success in today’s modern world. It only has historical relevance.

2. Igbos unlike the groups in the north and west were protected from external military and conquering drives by the rain forest. That is why a great majority of the region is organized in small communities practicing loosely bound democratic systems. Have you ever wondered how such weak democracies survived the centuries. The relevance of this is that unlike other groups that bind themselves, by religion or language in large groups as an adaptation to  urban needs of security, Igbos traditionally bound themselves by blood in very small groups, sometimes as small as the Umunna. We never faced sufficient threat to lose that arrangement for more militaristically beneficial monarchy or urban setups.

The truth is that is in terms of homogeneity in Igboland, you own very village considers itself very different to there nearest neighbor. This is true even among the so called Nri-Awka group,

Anambra state remains the number one state in the SE, both in leadership and economic/physical growth, that is the pure reason why frustration is killing you guys. Anambra has three major cities that can pass for a state capital (Awka, Onitsha and Nnewi). The picture you showed is a natural effect, even the background of the image showed that Onitsha is like New York compare to dirty and otokoto ridden owerri imo state. I ask again does imo state starts  and ends with owerri? Owerri is just a small rural community with very poor people and poor economy without any meaningful economic activity taking place. How many Anambrans are living in imo state virtually none because its prostitution and otokoto you people are good at? Today in Anambra precisely Onitsha we have thousands of imo citizens living and working/doing business in Anambra which showed that without  Anambra you guys wouldn't have had it any good. Anambra are the real Igbo (Jews)

oludashmi:

Dude. . . you are not right at the boldened. If a Yoruba says anything about the boldened, its just for a sec, it holds no water cos the same person is ever ready to marry from that side. So when using ethnic differentiation, avoid involving Yorubas and Hausas, they are way more united than the igbos.

At the same time, you neednt use Yorubas or other ethnic group before agreeing or disagreeing with a point, just give your point to look at how you guys cant sort the identity probs not comparism.

Your points are usually matured

tpia@:

Why do some igbos keep harping what they feel they know about ijebu?

Mostly making erroneous statements to boot.

Learn to know when you're in a wind up and try to diffentiate between what you hear or are told and what actually obtains.

Abagworo:

You are right in most points but what is the use being in a united Igbo when the purpose is already defeated from the start.Look at what Ohaneze1 wrote with regards to Igbos to the South.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-778165.160.html

The use of the phrase "you people" is an evidence of distinct feeling and he ended it with the bolded.It means he does not regard the others as real Igbos.

mbatuku2:

Abagworo, I'm suprised that you take NL too real just because of the comment of one poster(ohaneze1). Do you know if he's just a kid?

I really think you need to take Obiagu's advice and take some time out to relax. Give Igbo issues a rest and spend more time thinking of family and work/business. Your mind is really getting unstable.

Abagworo:

You are right in most points but what is the use being in a united Igbo when the purpose is already defeated from the start.Look at what Ohaneze1 wrote with regards to Igbos to the South.

minimynimo:

I can only say among all the tribes in Nigeria, The Igbos are the least fused, unified or wha'ever. Am igbo but I dare say we the ones I believe CANNOT govern ourselves should Nigeria break apart. We will simply degenerate to intra-genocide.

Bandit C.:

Ifele megbu cha kwa unu ncha ebe ahu. Kpariwanu onwe unu. Later you people will have the gut to call other tribes out. Shameless people. Keep defying, scarring and bruising Alaigbo with your worthless division and i will know who would offer a helping hand when the enemies swoop in to finish you off. It's a pity. Just look at what Igbo men in the name of Ohaneze1 and Abagworo are typing here. Shame.

e_prynce:

@op,

When u are done researching, u let us know d bits and pieces of your findings.

oluwafon:

references are ineviatble

ChinenyeN:

Yes, but there is a difference between making reasonable references and being perpetually dependent upon an unnecessary/insufficient comparison.