haykaysoft:
■ The concept of karma, as understood in Eastern religions like Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, is indeed different from the concept of sin and forgiveness in Christianity. In the Bible, particularly in the New Testament, there is an emphasis on forgiveness through Christ, which is seen as a way to be freed from the consequences of sin.
■ The verse you mentioned, "He who kills by the sword, will die by the sword," can be seen as a principle of cause and effect, but it's not necessarily equated with the concept of karma. Similarly, the idea of "reaping what you sow" is a principle found in many philosophies and religions, not just in karma.In Christianity, forgiveness is believed to be attainable through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. This forgiveness is seen as a complete wiping away of sin, and the person is considered free from its eternal consequences. However, this doesn't mean that there are no earthly consequences for one's actions.The distinction lies in the belief that through Christ, one can be completely forgiven and freed from the eternal consequences of sin, whereas in the concept of karma, the consequences of one's actions are seen as a natural and unavoidable part of the cosmic order, often spanning across multiple lifetimes.So, while the principles of cause and effect are universal concepts, the understanding of sin, forgiveness, and karma differ significantly across religions.

Mynd44:
Karma and the Christianity are two different beliefs hence God forgiving you has nothing to do with Karma as it is based on a different religious inclination

MadeINchenzen2:
so of what use is forgiveness?

TheGift:
∆ The inclinations are not different; the Bible says “ what a man sows, a man shall reap”. That is Karma, in a nut shell

MadeINchenzen2:
The complete chapters of the Bible gave no insights or notes about 'karma'... Though the term 'karma' is from the Janism, Hindu and Buddhist religion, but everyone believes in it strongly... Maybe the Bible insinuated it when Christ said "He who kill by the sword, will die by the sword"... " What a man sows, he reaps"...

If we all agree with this (karma) why then do we ask God for forgiveness?

Can one commit a sin and be completely forgiven by God and free from consequences?


Kindly help me with your insights. Thanks

onumadu:


I'm afraid that if I go into that your line of thinking, I would lose about 99% of the audience in the thought-flow.
So, I keep things simple.
I believe in one GOD within who/which contains ALL manifestations.
They all exist within GOD'S "supreme divine imaginations".
As referenced in the Bible "in whom we live and move and have our being".
in God, there are Gods, gods, hosts of heaven, principalities, powers, dominions etc.
People make the mistake of thinking that there are many GODS. It cannot be true because of many reasons which I don't want to get into for lack of time and space.
What I can say as a Christian is that Jesus Christ (on earth) was an incarnate of GOD.
Why do I say so?
Because ALL of these powers, dominions, laws etc bow to his authority.
For example, that is why Jesus said that he is the "Lord of the Sabbath" (meaning that all laws are subject to his divine prerogative).
I have had other personal experiences to prove this point to myself.
You have to take my words for it.

MadeINchenzen2:
The complete chapters of the Bible gave no insights or notes about 'karma'... Though the term 'karma' is from the Janism, Hindu and Buddhist religion, but everyone believes in it strongly... Maybe the Bible insinuated it when Christ said "He who kill by the sword, will die by the sword"... " What a man sows, he reaps"...

If we all agree with this (karma) why then do we ask God for forgiveness?

Can one commit a sin and be completely forgiven by God and free from consequences?


Kindly help me with your insights. Thanks

Kingrshd3:


Then God doesn't forgive u then

Kobojunkie:
That is nothing like Karma. What a man sows in this life is rather the decider of God's eventual Judgement against said man. God's Judgment is not promised in this life -- judgment comes after death -- whereas karma is believed to happen in this life. See the stack difference between the two?

Kobojunkie:
That is nothing like Karma. What a man sows in this life is rather the decider of God's eventual Judgement against said man. God's Judgment is not promised in this life -- judgment comes after death -- whereas karma is believed to happen in this life. See the stack difference between the two?

triplechoice:
Please what's karma?

chieveboy:


I quite agree to:

1: "One God" and several other tributaries of IT.

2: Jesus being God incarnate, but so am I and everyone else in exact same manner. This however doesn't come true by any ritual of acceptance and pledging of anyone's blood not belonging in any religion.

onumadu:


@Bolded:
No, there is a difference between us (carnal man, or "earth man" ) and Jesus.
He is incarnate of GOD (his mother was not impregnated by any man to birth him) while you are incarnate of man (sired by your human father).
Because he is an incarnate of God, he could do things that you as man could never do.
For example, he can forgive sins (remember the supreme divine prerogative I mentioned earlier, i.e God can do whatever he wants?).
You cannot forgive a man's sins except the sins he committed against you. On whose authority could Jesus forgive sins?
You guessed right - GOD... because he is GOD INCARNATE.
I like to cite this because those who say what you said miss this part.
They say that we are all like Jesus (having God inside of us), but it is not the same.
Even the scribes and pharisees of Jesus era thought he was blaspheming when he said he could forgive sins.
And Jesus challenged them and ask them which one is easier. To say to another man that his sins are forgiven or heal them instantly of paralysis.
Also remember the "Lord of the Sabbath" event?
It is that divine authority of Jesus that Satan coveted and wanted to scam Jesus out of when he tempted Jesus after his fasting.

To be honest, if I go into the full story of what Jesus is and what he came to do, I would have to write pages and pages of post.
Don't tempt me if you don't want to read such long post.
I like to leave snippets of what Jesus wanted man to know:
Key things:
For example, by your our own choices and actions, you are essentially making laws and are bound, hence judged by those laws you make.
For example "For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Matt 7:2
It comes from where Jesus said "Judge not, that you be not judged".
THIS IS A KEY MESSAGE OF JESUS, but most "religionists" love to skip it because they are more interested in lording it over(or controlling) others in an organized religion setting.

That "Judge Not ..." rides on things like "Karma" to operate.

Jesus is the most important "man" to walk the surface of this earth. Take this to the bank.

One day when I have time, I will throw more light on these things to enable people attain spiritual transformation, hence glorification/ elevation which is Jesus main goal for coming ("So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God."
Gal 4:7)

Kobojunkiee:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

triplechoice:
I had wanted you to explain in your words what you understand by karma and not you directing me to a page where you think it's explained. How do even you know if what's contained in that you shared is the correct thing?.

Kobojunkiee:
The definition of Karma contained in that link is the one I work with. If your idea does not align with that then I can't help you, can I?

triplechoice:
1. If that's the definition you're working with,then why have you dismissed karma as not existing.
You believe actions don't lead to consequences?
2. Besides, how is it possible for you to work with opposing ideas about karma from different groups as it's contained in that page? One group insists it's tied to rebirth while the others says no,yet you say it's what you're working with? Which one are you working with?
3. What's clear to me now is that you hurriedly posted a link to an article you didn't take you time to read and understand very well. It's disappointing to even know it's something I have read before. If you don't want to directly reply me about what I asked, What you understand by karma in your own words, then please don't bother anymore. I know I how to use Google to search for answers,but only quoted you to have some discussion with you concerning the topic . And since it appears you don't want that ,my apologies for quoting you. Have nice day.

Kobojunkiee:
In the context of Scripture, Karma does not exist nor apply given that instead what applies are laws laid down by God.

2. There are many ideas regarding Karma out there. However, it does not matter whether they oppose themselves or not because the major case here is that none of that applies as far as Scripture is concerned.

3. If you wish to believe that, it's fine by me.

triplechoice:
∆ In all you still don't know what karma is. What you know about it is what some religious groups are have said about it,and that's why you say it doesn't apply to Scripture.
∆ Karma is not transgressing the laws of any deity as you think you. It's the principle of cause and effect. That's all
∆ The actions you take are the causes of what you get. But your hand in fire, you get burned and learn the lesson. It's has nothing to do with what is contained in Scripture.

Kobojunkiee:
1. Huh? Hindu and Buddhist understanding of karma are not acceptable?

2. I am afraid I don't follow your meaning at all. In Scripture, evil/sin is defined by the Law and as such it is by transgressing the law that you incur the condemnation of sin or curse. That, I explained, is not how karma works.

3.

chieveboy:


Jesus is Soul. So are you and everyone else.

magoo10:
God forgives our sins if we ask for forgiveness and truly repent and make total change from our sinful lives.
As we know living without sin in this world is not easy ,that is what keeps attracting people to karma.

triplechoice:
1. I'm talking about certain ideas attached to it which makes it difficult for most people to understand what karma really is. Buddhism ties it with reincarnation, but others don't ,or do you believe in reincarnation? Karma is not sin,but simply the results from an individual's actions and inactions . These results are not punishment from any god. People who talk as if karma is punishment are only speaking metaphorically ,not understanding this ,is probably the reason you're trying to compare it with what is in the scripture you subscribe to. Go back to the article you shared and see where karma is defined at the beginning as ,deeds ,or actions, and that they lead to consequences. The word, karma ,is originally from Sanskrit,one of the oldest language in the world. Without karma,cause and effect,not will happen in this world.. Focus on what the word, karma, actually describe so you understand it better before considering any thing being connected to it

onumadu:


The question of Soul for Jesus doesn't arise because he rose again from the dead and still lives.
Soul is what remains after death.
Try another angle to prove that Jesus is human, which is really your ultimate goal

Kobojunkiee:
Please stop trying to flip this all over the place when there is no need to. You asked the definition of Karma and I provided you with a link that connected you to the prevailing ideas held of it by those of the religions Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. It has always been a religious idea and not something any tom-dick-and-harry can cook up a definition for.

In my later responses, I proceeded to explain that Karma does not apply in the Scriptural context because all things Scripture are weighed against God's Law. The mandate of Obedience from God to all who are under the Law is the determining factor for all things in the lives of individuals. Karma does not apply at all.

Heck
Karma does not even work in the real world many of us live in.

About Reincarnation, I would say it is quite possible for those who are not born-again. Anyways, that is all I have on that.

triplechoice:
1. I never asked you for a link to a definition of something, I know how to use Google myself,but what you understand about
karma. . You have shown you don't really understand it. So why continue to argue over what you don't fully grasp?