Boomark:

It means that the church people should continue to see him as their means of salvation even though all are sinners/fallible including the infallible.

d light: From your description of the church it's a perfect place for a heavenly-minded person but as for the tithe, the bible isn't against tithing but rather commands it. My reservation for the church however has to do with their opposition to the use of drugs I wonder then if they have doctors in their congregation.

itslordmoh:

So what exactly does it mean. I'm confused here.

Boomark:

It means that the church people should continue to see him as their means of salvation even though all are sinners/fallible including the infallible.

itslordmoh:

But why exactly do I need a fallible man to get salvation when infallible Jesus paid the price for my salvation on the cross. I think I know a place in the Bible where Jesus says he only is the way the truth and the life. I never heard him say;'As I live, I'm transferring that power to the pope'. Don't to argue but its somehow. #smh

Boomark: Infallibility which the pope claims is man made. Of course we are not talking about politics. The Holyspirit will not lead a man to teach people to bow to images made by man and at the same time teach others to vehemently reject it.

This is just one example. Who do we follow, of all those that claim to be led by the Holyspirit? Test every spirit. The teachings of the Holyspirit is still in line with what is written in the scriptures.

Infallibility of the pope is an error. You do err.

Ubenedictus: u are trying to display ignorance.

Boomark:

You should have pointed out the ignorance in the truth i wrote.

Ubenedictus: veneration of images was never a point of papal infalliability so claiming d pope comanded dat is like displaying ignorance.

Boomark:
Ok. Can't the pope use the spirit of infallibility to correct/delete that idolatry?

Boomark:

Ok. Can't the pope use the spirit of infallibility to correct/delete that idolatry?

Ubenedictus: d chasm of infallibility doesnt delete tradition or scripture, it can only uphold it. Just d way anyone wu says "JESUS isn't lord" isnt from isnt from God so will one wu denies a point of tradition or scripture never become a pope.
Where u see idolatry, i see legit veneration, dat is what d earlier xtians practiced it and so does all ancient churches.

Ubenedictus: d chasm of infallibility doesnt delete tradition or scripture, it can only uphold it. Just d way anyone wu says "JESUS isn't lord" isnt from isnt from God so will one wu denies a point of tradition or scripture never become a pope.
Where u see idolatry, i see legit veneration, dat is what d earlier xtians practiced it and so does all ancient churches.

Pastor Kun:

But we have it on record that the catholic church has reneged on some of it's false traditions in the past; e.g "sale of indulgence" and mandatory church tithing comes to mind.

Boomark:

what of false traditions? Infallibility will also uphold them too? If you can't see idolatry in bowing to images and going against God's command then i wonder what good thing Catholics can teach people about God.

Ubenedictus: d chasm of infallibility doesnt delete tradition or scripture, it can only uphold it. Just d way anyone wu says "JESUS isn't lord" isnt from isnt from God so will one wu denies a point of tradition or scripture never become a pope.
Where u see idolatry, i see legit veneration, dat is what d earlier xtians practiced it and so does all ancient churches.

truthislight:
Hmmm!
An oath of alligance is a very big obstacle!
Hmmm!,
the scriptures are secondary.
Na wao!

Chi Eluse: I dont know if this thread is meant to advertise the Apostolic Faith Church or not and as much as I am not out to criticize those that have painted a picture of perfection of the church, I saw some untruth and hypocrisy in the statements they gave.
Yeah we dont marry non members, but we dont also excommunicate those who do. If you have seen that in any branch then it has to do with the leadership of that branch and not the general practice of the church.
I know this church very well, and the fact is that they preach against going to the hospital or taking medication and up till now the doctrine is still being upheld, though we now have more and more of their members contravening that doctrine. Up till now their pregnant women are not expected to visit the hospital and they are made to deliver their babies at home or in the church. As a result many have lost their lives.
It is regarded as sin for you to have TV at home, and before you are made an officer in the church it will be investigated if you have TV at home. If you do you can remain an ordinary member of the congregation for life.
You cannot marry from outside the church, you are virtually excommunicated.
The fact that some members of the church deny all these goes a long way to tell how secretive the church is. And am sure that doesnt portray holiness at all.
I know about the case someone mentioned earlier of their pastor at akoko who impregnated a girl. There are cases of immorality like this in the church even up till now. A current wave also indicate two of their senior pastors (one in lagos and one in osun)scattering the marriage of their daughters.
I think God wants us to preach the Gospel, to preach Christ, and not the church and the doctrines of men.
The church is not perfect and in fact nowadays among the senior managers of the church are servants of the devil falsely calling themselves servants of God. They have an outward appearance of humility but in them are filthiness of dead men bones.
We all need to turn back to God as the end time is very near, And mind you the Bible says judgement will start from the house of God.

Pastor Kun: ^^^
@Alexleo
You just confirmed to us that your 'church' is a cult.

Chi Eluse:

The truth is that the church is TRULY RUN LIKE A CULT.
Alexleo is not being sincere and truthful and I dont want to go further to cite cases which may involve mentioning names
But if am convinced at least in order to prevent anyone from being misled I may do that later.

The main problem of the church is that they wont accept they have problems, they claim anyone who doesnt attend their church after hearing about it is not genuinely saved and cannot get to Heaven.
Even after Our Lord Jesus Himself sent one of their members in Abuja to them that majority of them are masked, meaning they are hypocrites, with physical evidence of a cloth upon which "Jesus is coming soon" is written, they still refuse to change.

Pastor Kun: ^^^
@Alexleo
You just confirmed to us that your 'church' is a cult.

alexleo:

This is where you are having problem. Is it in the church constitution that anybody who is not their member is not a born again? I ve told you to separate the attitude of members from the official stand of the church. Dont mix the two together. Attitude of members is different from the church stand or church doctrines or traditions. When we say a church preaches holiness does it mean that all the members are holy? NO. You are just talking like someone who use to attend the church and had a personal issue with the church and left. Now you feel its time for you to hit back at them or whatever. PLS GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. Frosbel was a member and he confirmed most of the things i wrote concerning the church and pointed out where he had problem with them. You just came and started pouring out your venom as if all the things written about the church are wrong. Pls go and learn how to make a balanced argument when you feel something is note exactly the way its presented before i continue with you. You are just here making noise about attitude of members and what Jesus showed about them. Did Jesus condemn the church stand and doctrine in what he showed the Abuja man? Was it not the same attitude of some members that he condemned. PLS IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE ISSUES THEN FEEL FREE TO HAVE WHATEVER NOTION ABOUT THEM. I COULDNT BE BOTHERED ANYWAY.

frosbel: ^^^^^

Painful but true.

I was once a member and almost died because I refused medication.

Chi Eluse:

Haba Alexleo, why do you have to take the issue too personal? Mind you I wasn't talking about attitude of people, moreso I would have said what is the meaning of the church, is it not people that make up the church? Maybe you need to go over my posts all over with an unbiased mind. I was actually pointing out the official standpoint of the church and what is even being preached on your pulpits, and the answers to questions raised during Sunday school reviews. Please have no ill feeling about me I only want you to say the truth and not half truth. It doesn't matter you may still find people who feels that's the church that suits them. Or better still lets just preach the Gospel and not the church.

alexleo:

Am not quarreling with you dear. Did you go through my OP? Is there any place i said the church is the best church? Is there anything i wrote in the Op that is not correct? But you spoke as if i said its the best church or a perfect church. Yes some ministers may be on the pulpit and praise the church as they preach or review and that is a personal thing. The church did not state it in their constitution that ministers should do it. And of course, when someone is pleased with the practice or standard of an organization, its possible he may at one time or the other make some commendable comments about the place or praise the organization. However there are some other ministers who also will tell you in their sermon on the same pulpit that they are not here to preach church or to praise the church or to condemn other churches. If you have not heard such statements on our pulpit, i ve heard it several times and over. This is why i said that some of the things you talked about is an individual thing and those things are dying down now. During our National convention last year, our D.S or G.O(for those who do not understand) testified of when he came to our church newly and after hearing the word and praying, he went to the overseer of the church then and asked him which church will he advise him to be attending. The old man told him to go and pray and ask God to direct him on which church to attend and whichever one God directs him let him go there. He went to God in prayer and God told him that the church he attended now is where he wants him to be and thats why he was able to remain in the church till now in spite of all the trials and temptation he has passed over the years. Now some other Overseer/pastor may not have asked him to go and find out from God which church he should attend rather they ll tell him that he is already in the church he should attend. Thats why i said its an individual attitude. Now, if God directs somebody to come and worship in Apotolic Faith, that does not in any way mean that Apostolic Faith is the best church. Yet some members will also reason that Apostolic Faith is the best church and thats why God directed the person to the church. This is also why i said its an individual thing. Dont use it to generalize.

seunlayi: I beg dat church na correct church. It is only the church and my church -k Deeper life