ekt_bear: Gbawe. My point should be obvious. It is not us who needs to appease them.

They need us more than we need them....

That is the import of "why are you so happy to zone it to them."

They are not in a position to make any demands...

It is us who should be appeased in any alliance, not them..

Even as I use the word "appeasement" it is not in relation to the SW appeasing the North. It is about pragmatically appeasing the system, even if out of self-interest and politcal calculations, so that you benefit tomorrow.

We all make such choices in life. Fawehinmi and Soyinksa failed politically because they are simply not pragamatic or able to match their tempo to reality on the ground. That is what, IMO, you are displaying here.

Being myopic and dogmatically insistent on something today, when we may fall foul of that tomorrow, simply does not show an awareness for playing the game.

bittyend:

Do you suffer from myopia or something??

Why include a tried and tested Fashola, in the same sentence as untested Soludo; poltical awareness bankrupt Okonjo Iweala; and utterly corrupt, and two-faced Dora Akinyili?? You could said, Ngige - if you wanted people from the other side to be counted IMHO...

Carry on!!

S, it's only when one has ruled a state that one should be termed "tested and trusted"? MUMU.

This slave / master relationship is very interesting.

Immediately I saw the topic, one thing came to mind. The SE tribalistic goons would start hounding insult on the SW and volia I was right. Some have already started calling us baboons etc. LOL

Now the issue here is simple because both Gbawe and Ekt-bear have good points, The best so far is that of Okija Juju.

1. The SW would accept nothing less than Fashola for presidency reason being that they see Fashola as the best governor in Nigeria. Fact !!! I support them on this. Anything less than fashola was lose the SW

2. SE having no political idealogy would sheepishly follow GEJ for second term even though they want presidency to themselves as well, but they have been trapped politically speaking because them not supporting GEJ would make them lose their candidate and also lose the love relationship they want to keep with the SS. Thus they have no choice but to support GEJ. Fact don't let NL deceive una that they would chose, there is no choosing here they simply have no choice.

3. The North would be dumb to produce Atiku knowing full well that Atiku is not loved by any group in the North not to talk of South. That Ekt-bear got spot on.

4. Beaf and co insulting the SW, you clearly stated that SW are triators and there vote does not count. Thus you can use your numbers in the SW to turn the table around GEJ again. You got nothing to be afriad of since you all are 60 % of the SW population.

5. The reality is SW don't vote based on ethnicity or zone but based on competence. It would be dumb on anyone's part to produce Atiku as there presidential candidate and expect to win against GEJ.

6. Lastly if Fashola is picked knowing full well he is a techocrite. I cannot grantee anyone else apart from Fasola winning at least 10-12 states of the country which I am sure of., 6 SW states, Edo, Delta, Kwara, Kogi and Akwa ibom with Cross river.

afam4eva:
S, it's only when one has ruled a state that one should be termed "tested and trusted"? MUMU.

So how else do you test and trust a person ? Is it not a governor doing the best for his state ?

Logic Mind: This slave / master relationship is very interesting.

My brother, you are bitter !!! Why ?

"The facinating workings of an oily soup filled brain" is a book I am trying to publish soon.

Ufeolorun: A sane political party would cash in on the discontent in the north by fielding a northerner to boot PDP out ,at least to clear the way.A dead pdp is a good thing for Acn and the Sw.
Nasir Elrufai would be a great candidate oloun.
Elrufai//Fashola Ain't bad atall

If acn had refused pdp offer and stood firm like Aregbe its unlikely we would be saddled with such a Monumental shock so anyone ascribing political strength to the result of last election should think again he's got zero capital but loads of bribes sha

I think Sws. are not really keen anymore (after ObJ) about who's there as long as something tangible is happening.

Indeed. The substantive point is that influential folks and kingmakers will marry every single thing happening now to pragmatically decide what is considered a 'winning combination'.

Gbawe:

Even as I use the word "appeasement" it is not in relation to the SW appeasing the North. It is about pragmatically appeasing the system, even if out of self-interest and politcal calculations, so that you benefit tomorrow.

We all make such choices in life. Fawehinmi and Soyinksa failed politically because they are simply not pragamatic or able to match their tempo to reality on the ground. That is what, IMO, you are displaying here.

Being myopic and dogmatically insistent on something today, when we may fall foul of that tomorrow, simply does not show an awareness for playing the game.

Why must the system be appeased? Why is there a pressing need to get a deal done? The point is that there is no pressure on us. We are not desperate for power. Well, Yoruba people are not at least, ACN appears to be

You effectively have a great situation in which someone badly, desperately needs your help. Yet for whatever reason, you don't realize how advantageous your position is and how easily you can extract whatever you like from this other side...

This is not the time for generosity, kindness, or "appeasing the system." This is the time for hardball and ruthlessness.

afam4eva:
S, it's only when one has ruled a state that one should be termed "tested and trusted"? MUMU.

Olodo, those mongrels you mentioned can even manage their own homes - yet, you want them to rule Nigeria..

What's Soludo track record?? Creating an utterly corrupt banking smoke screen..

What's Okonjo Iweala's record?? Stealing $16billion from Nigeria, to pay a debt we shouldn't have paid in the first place.. And she's the Minister of Finance of this present utterly corrupt administration..

What's Dora Akunyili's record?? Mrs. re-branding.. Two-faced liar, who's bankrupt in all aspects of life - aside warming OBJ's bed, and washing his boxers.

alj harem: Immediately I saw the topic, one thing came to mind. The SE tribalistic goons would start hounding insult on the SW and volia I was right. Some have already started calling us baboons etc. LOL

Now the issue here is simple because both Gbawe and Ekt-bear have good points, The best so far is that of Okija Juju.

1. The SW would accept nothing less than Fashola for presidency reason being that they see Fashola as the best governor in Nigeria. Fact !!! I support them on this. Anything less than fashola was lose the SW

2. SE having no political idealogy would sheepishly follow GEJ for second term even though they want presidency to themselves as well, but they have been trapped politically speaking because them not supporting GEJ would make them lose their candidate and also lose the love relationship they want to keep with the SS. Thus they have no choice but to support GEJ. Fact don't let NL deceive una that they would chose, there is no choosing here they simply have no choice.

3. The North would be dumb to produce Atiku knowing full well that Atiku is not loved by any group in the North not to talk of South. That Ekt-bear got spot on.

4. Beaf and co insulting the SW, you clearly stated that SW are triators and there vote does not count. Thus you can use your numbers in the SW to turn the table around GEJ again. You got nothing to be afriad of since you all are 60 % of the SW population.

5. The reality is SW don't vote based on ethnicity or zone but based on competence. It would be dumb on anyone's part to produce Atiku as there presidential candidate and expect to win against GEJ.

6. Lastly if Fashola is picked knowing full well he is a techocrite. I cannot grantee anyone else apart from Fasola winning at least 10-12 states of the country which I am sure of., 6 SW states, Edo, Delta, Kwara, Kogi and Akwa ibom with Cross river.

They are already here throwing subliminals, but they have been ignored thus far.

What do you expect from political amateurs??

When the boss talks, they throw hissy fits.

Come 2014 - 2015 . . .The horizon will be clearer for all interested parties . . .

Dr Babangida Aliyu is an intellectual, no nonsense,straight to the point Northerner who is also politically savvy . . . .but the sentiment is . .He is of the PDP stock again . . .

Whatever happens from now till 2015 will determine the course of events . . .

jmaine: Come 2014 - 2015 . . .The horizon will be clearer for all interested parties . . .

Dr Babangida Aliyu is an intellectual, no nonsense,straight to the point Northerner who is also politically savvy . . . .but the sentiment is . .He is of the PDP stock again . . .

Whatever happens from now till 2015 will determine the course of events . . .

Aliyu is not bad actually.

"2015: North Banks On S’west To Stop Jonathan !"
Bwaharrrrrrrrrrrrrrhahaha!

Its da sound of the desperate!
Imagine angling for 2015 on a sectional basis? Are these Buhari/ACN folk even serious or just primitive? Lol!

alj harem: Immediately I saw the topic, one thing came to mind. The SE tribalistic goons would start hounding insult on the SW and volia I was right. Some have already started calling us baboons etc. LOL

Now the issue here is simple because both Gbawe and Ekt-bear have good points, The best so far is that of Okija Juju.

1. The SW would accept nothing less than Fashola for presidency reason being that they see Fashola as the best governor in Nigeria. Fact !!! I support them on this. Anything less than fashola was lose the SW

2. SE having no political idealogy would sheepishly follow GEJ for second term even though they want presidency to themselves as well, but they have been trapped politically speaking because them not supporting GEJ would make them lose their candidate and also lose the love relationship they want to keep with the SS. Thus they have no choice but to support GEJ. Fact don't let NL deceive una that they would chose, there is no choosing here they simply have no choice.

3. The North would be dumb to produce Atiku knowing full well that Atiku is not loved by any group in the North not to talk of South. That Ekt-bear got spot on.

4. Beaf and co insulting the SW, you clearly stated that SW are triators and there vote does not count. Thus you can use your numbers in the SW to turn the table around GEJ again. You got nothing to be afriad of since you all are 60 % of the SW population.

5. The reality is SW don't vote based on ethnicity or zone but based on competence. It would be dumb on anyone's part to produce Atiku as there presidential candidate and expect to win against GEJ.

6. Lastly if Fashola is picked knowing full well he is a techocrite. I cannot grantee anyone else apart from Fasola winning at least 10-12 states of the country which I am sure of., 6 SW states, Edo, Delta, Kwara, Kogi and Akwa ibom with Cross river.

Alhaji, you are very wrong regarding both sections highlighted above. The SW is the region least mired in ethnic absolutism regarding the Presidency in 2015. There is no insistence on a Fashola Presidency in 2015 - especially if Fashola as VP to a Popular Northerner puts the SW in a good position of producing the President thereafter. The region, for all that has happened, may realise , despite the misplaced optimism of yourself and others, that it may be more expedient for the SW to position itself well for the future than to join the "non-negotiable" sabre-rattling of others.

Secondly, how on Earth can you say the North will be dumb to produce Atiku? You talk as if the PDP is the North and indeed you are showing, just like Ekt Bear, that your calculcation is centred entirely around the PDP and what it does.
In other words, you and others speak as if the PDP Northern candidate automatically has the strongest chances.

If what we are seeing continues (PDP misrule) and a broad coalition gets its act together early, then the PDP will fail with Atiku, IBB or any other Northerner for that matter if the opposition can unite and promote some storng names working together.



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CPC/ACN merger is to save Nigeria -Osita Okechukwu



Written by Muideen Olaniyi Sunday, 13 May 2012 05:03


[Mr Osita Okechukwu]

Mr Osita Okechukwu was the governorship candidate of the Congress for Progressive Change (CPC) in Enugu State during the April 2011 general elections. In this exclusive interview with Sunday Trust, Okechukwu spoke extensively on recent talks on possible merger of the CPC, the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) and the All Nigerian Peoples Party (ANPP), among other parties. Excerpts:
Can you give an insight on the recent resumption of alliance talks between the CPC and the ACN?



The CPC set up a Renewal Committee last year to look inward to see what we did during the last general elections which we could have done differently. And this issue of alliance or merger or whatever you can call it was very topical on the agenda and luckily the leadership of the CPC and the Board of Trustees (BOT) are in support of the new move. Let’s take it that you are aware of the pregnancy that was aborted.

Let’s take it that this is the real pregnancy (laughter). We are trying to contrive a new pregnancy and we are hoping that it will be delivered safely. We regretted the abortion of the previous pregnancy between the ACN and the CPC. But in doing this now, they say, necessity is the mother of invention, General Muhammadu Buhari as a patriot and democrat and Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu and his own group as patriots and democrats, they have seen what they could do differently and they said okay how do we now help Nigeria? As of today Nigeria is sliding dangerously towards a failed state. Nigeria is not a failed state yet but it is sliding towards that direction.


Is the ANPP being considered in the proposed alliance?

Yes, we are talking to them because we are saying that if we believe Nigeria has to be saved, the best way to save it (Nigeria) is through democratic court and the democratic court is through voting. And if we need votes to confront a monster that PDP has become, unveiling the Federal Government of Nigeria with the oil revenue; proceeds from the taxation; custom duties, it means the only principled maxim is that we must unite this time around. So, a large number of ACN members and a large number of CPC members agreed that there are things we could have done differently.


In 2011, it was quite clear that both the ACN and the CPC had an understanding that if they unite, they would be able to vote out PDP. But with this power sharing, we don’t know whether it is an issue now because that was what caused the collapse of the alliance?

No. It wasn’t. I will tell you what caused it. It wasn’t about power sharing. If I understand your meaning of power sharing, it is either the ACN is saying they want to be President and the CPC is saying they want to be President. Nobody did that. In all deference and honesty to the ACN, the party never did that. They knew that in political elementary analysis, the ACN is not at par with the CPC because it is a stronger party.

So, the ACN was very clear about that. Even when we were talking about the move for a mega party, nobody ever said that General Buhari would not be presidential candidate. They concede the fact that he has uncommon integrity and that he is one person who can stop corruption. Everybody agreed on that. It wasn’t part of the reasons for the collapse. The collapse happened because the General himself said that since he entered politics in 2002, some people had contrived this dangerous trend of religious bigotry. He said for God’s sake, can we escape from that? He wanted to correct that notion....By my understanding, that was what happened. So it’s not a question that the ACN said they wanted to present a presidential candidate.

[size=14pt]But the difference now is that we agree that given the plight of Nigeria sliding dangerously towards a failed state, each person, each group should, first of all, forget about their own special interest and lay a real strategic foundation that will get the members of the CPC in Oshogbo, Ogbomosho to also key into the alliance with the members of the ACN in Oshogbo and Ogbomosho. The same thing will happen in Daura, Mubi, Oran in Akwa-Ibom and Udi Local Government. Luckily, don’t forget that CPC is a very new party, and there was 2011 election, so there wasn’t this kind of time to do a broad strategic thinking. So the good luck we have is that General Buhari has already gotten all members to agree on this position.

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There is this thinking that Mallam Nasir el-Rufai is going beyond his mandate in the CPC. What is your take on this?

Naturally, there has always been that kind of misconception. A lot of people do not know who General Buhari actually is as regard democracy. He is one person that if he had a meeting with the core group of the CPC, he wouldn’t insist that everybody must say something. But a lot of people do not know. They thought Buhari will just say this is what will happen and it happens the next day. No. And el-Rufai himself, in all private discussions I have held with him, his major position is how do we save this country. So every authority that exists is based on proper consultations with the leadership of the CPC headed by Buhari, the Chairman of the party Tony Momoh, the Secretary and others. But the point of the matter is that I used to antagonise El-Rufai myself. I had a shoot-out with him in 2006 in America’s Ambassador’s house because he led the government and I led the opposition. But the point is that he is a very misunderstood person and it becomes very easy for people to theorise that. More so, a lot of people did not know that el-Rufai wasn’t really poor before he became a Minister. He was a top Quantity Surveyor. He consulted for a lot of projects in this country. A lot of people did not know that.

But the point of the matter is that when somebody is thinking ahead of you, your tendency is to think that he wants to advance himself. And I don’t see el-Rufai thinking like that. One, none of el-Rufai’s friends have said that they are idiots. They know that we, the CPC is not in the South. And they are also aware that if tomorrow, Jonathan decides he is not running and the CPC is calling for a new candidate, won’t our calculation change? If Jonathan says he is running, won’t our calculation be determined by his ambition to run? We are all aware of this. Unluckily, Jega has also put INEC as a department of PDP.

We are aware that PDP will fix the timetable. And if they fix the timetable and the presidential election come first as usual, it may mean that we may have to be strategic enough. So we are open to all these unintended variables that will determine who runs and who will not run. So I do not see El-Rufai actually thinking like that and he never told me as well. The little he has done, I appreciate it a lot. Some in the party are not happy. Yes, I agree. Some may be doing that because they never see him on the desk of the accountant trying to collect money to run certain activities on behalf of the party. Some of these are drawbacks. Between I and you, both privately and publicly, from what I discussed with General Buhari and Mallam El-Rufai, they don’t have any discordant tune on this issue. If you notice as well, you will notice that Bakare was there during Buhari’s trip to Lagos. So the group is working as a team. They are more concerned about the survival of the country. What they are interested in and on which we all have agreed on is that this country must be saved from the brink of collapse.


One major concern is that few months, weeks or days to the election, the personal agenda that led to the collapse of previous alliance talks resurfaced again among the main contenders. Don’t you foresee that development again?

Your question is very relevant. It is relevant in the sense that these are human element factors. But that is why I told you that the little effort we are putting in today is to block those areas that might prop up that. And I have told you that the ACN has been very generous in this participation. If, as I said, Jonathan decides to run, by then we will have finalised everything. The party will now say who among this group has a better chance because we are going to study the environment. If Jonathan is not running, the activities go to the North. For God’s sake, you won’t go to Enugu state or Modakeke to bring somebody. So these are issues that will be resolved as we move along.

We don’t have any fear that the issue of who becomes the presidential or governorship candidate in 2015 will become a problem. I also accept their fears but don’t forget that the CPC leadership that failed on her own side to get the pregnancy to be delivered were also burnt. The ACN leadership that also allowed the pregnancy to be aborted and went and voted Jonathan had seen that they threw away their votes

Gbawe, is Nigeria not a failed state, because people like you scurry around spreading primitive ethnic and sectional agenda's?
Imagine the "progressive" headline! "2015: North Banks On S’west To Stop Jonathan !"

Broda Okon come e! Come and see sectional, ethnically bigoted "progressives" e!

O-Funny stuff of the dog and baboon kind! O-ga o!

Gbawe:

Alhaji, you are very wrong regarding both sections highlighted above. The SW is the region least mired in ethnic absolutism regarding the Presidency in 2015. There is no insistence on a Fashola Presidency in 2015 - especially if Fashola as VP to a Popular Northerner puts the SW in a good position of producing the President thereafter. The region, for all that has happened, may realise , despite the misplaced optimism of yourself and others, that it may be more expedient for the SW to position itself well for the future than to join the "non-negotiable" sabre-rattling of others.

Secondly, how on Earth can you say the North will be dumb to produce Atiku? You talk as if the PDP is the North and indeed you are showing, just like Ekt Bear, that your calculcation is centred entirely around the PDP and what it does.
In other words, you and others speak as if the PDP Northern candidate automatically has the strongest chances.

If what we are seeing continues (PDP misrule) and a broad coalition gets its act together early, then the PDP will fail with Atiku, IBB or any other Northerner for that matter if the opposition can unite and promote some storng names working together.



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I know they are not ethnocentric.

Sir Gbawe, so would you vote for Atiku and Fashola vp ?

My brother an Atiku ticket would lose anytime anyday. We have Sanusi, Elrufia, Aliyu Babangida etc why Atiku

Logic Mind: "The facinating workings of an oily soup filled brain" is a book I am trying to publish soon.

You mean, the brain of Yorubas are filled with Oily Soup (Ofe-Manu)

Now the insults starts

Wily+Wily:

You mean, the brain of Yorubas are filled with Oily Soup (Ofe-Manu)

I did not mention any tribe. Please don't get me in trouble with Yoruba moderators.

Extensive research are being done on the subject as we speak.

See: https://www.nairaland.com/893799/understanding-yorubas-research-shows-oily

People like Gbawe continue to think that Yoruba people are not wise or can all be roped in with his bigotry. Imagine the amount of crap in the sentence below:

Gbawe:
There is no insistence on a Fashola Presidency in 2015 - especially if Fashola as VP to a Popular Northerner puts the SW in a good position of producing the President thereafter. The region, for all that has happened, may realise , despite the misplaced optimism of yourself and others, that it may be more expedient for the SW to position itself well for the future than to join the "non-negotiable" sabre-rattling of others.

Here, we have Gbawe crapping on Fashola as is the constant story with ACN keeping that guy on a very short leash. Every year of his first term was energised with impeachment plots from his ACN party, and now he is not good enough to run for an ACN presidency, rather that goes to Buhari, the lord of blood soaked dogs and baboons!
It is a line of thought that is as disgusting as it is borne of frustration. One that is as insulting to the SW as it is an attempt to impose a low grade piece of shiit as President, rather than a man of Fashola's quality.

The desperate awuf chasing game ACN is playing, only becomes more apparent with Gbawe's every post. Thank you Buhari for yet another gaffe, otherwise many would still be fooled. Imagine dumping Fashola for Buhari or Atiku?! Tufia!!

Gbawe:

Even as I use the word "appeasement" it is not in relation to the SW appeasing the North. It is about pragmatically appeasing the system, even if out of self-interest and politcal calculations, so that you benefit tomorrow.

We all make such choices in life. Fawehinmi and Soyinksa failed politically because they are simply not pragamatic or able to match their tempo to reality on the ground. That is what, IMO, you are displaying here.

Being myopic and dogmatically insistent on something today, when we may fall foul of that tomorrow, simply does not show an awareness for playing the game.

If i get you correctly, you're suggesting that credible political candidates will have to align themselves with political vultures in order to get validation.

Loving the contributions, guys. Keep it up

[size=16pt]Yoruba Efo Riro
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[size=16pt]Igbo Soup
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[size=16pt]Spot the difference!![/size]

alj harem: Now the insults starts

Nobody is insulting you people but yourselves. Listen to gbawe speak!

ekt_bear:

lol


Anyway, if the NW and NE's idea is to rally behind a Fashola presidential campaign in order to oust GEJ, then certainly their support will not be rejected.

On the other hand, if they are expecting to run for presidency themselves...heh. Will be hard to motivate our interest, I suspect.

You guys have always voted for your kind only.. The same reason you abandoned Ribadu and sat at home, leaving only the Igbos in SW to vote for GEJ. GEJ won the SW with SE, SS and NC votes.

Gbawe the reality is that Atiku is politically dead. Atiku ruled with OBJ and did not contribute much.

we have choice

Soludo
Rochas
El-rufia
Fashola
Oshomiole
Aliyu


These are the candidates worthy to compete against GEJ not Atiku

Now the lies start !!!

bittyend: [size=16pt]Yoruba Efo Riro
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Chei!
The diseases is worse than I imagined.

You call that soup? I wonder what your pig meat fried in palm oil and spinkled with raw vegetables would look like.

Nchara:
You guys have always voted for your kind only.. The same reason you abandoned Ribadu and sat at home, leaving only the Igbos in SW to vote for GEJ.

Only the Igbos you say . . .bros pack well jare . . .re-examine the presidential and the more locallized Governor election in the SW . . .and you will see an almost similar pattern in the percentage of willing voters . . . . We have solved that equation before . .so quit the bringing up the "Igbo" only gist

Logic Mind:
Chei!
The diseases is worse than I imagined.

You call that soup? I wonder what your pig meat fried in palm oil and spinkled with raw vegetables would look like.

That's the oily soup which made me...

Go enjoy your diseased soup lol.

Igbo soup:

Bittyend and Logicmind, I don't like as you two are derailing the thread.