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Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 6:49pm On Jul 22, 2012
Newacca's Argument-
Cal Thomas wrote in a column “In a free society, government reflects the soul of its people. If people want change at the top, they will have to live in different ways. Our major social problems are not the cause of our decadence. They are a reflection of it” This made me argue vehemently against the motion that says: Godfatherism in Nigeria politics is the main cause of corruption and developmental crisis. Good evening ladies and gentlemen.


Godfatherism orginiated from the Baptist Christian group. Godfathers are chosen to help raise Christian boy and teach him christian values. In the recent times,the true meaning of godfathers had been twisted and changed to political figures that have power to determine who gets nominated to contest in elections and who wins. If godfatherism is applied selflessly, it will immensely contribute to the development of our nation. Former President of Nigeria,Gen.Olusegun Obasanjo(Rtd) was a godfather to the late President,Umar Musa Yar'adua. It is a known fact that The Niger/Delta amnesty programme which started and got implemented on 25th June,2009 during Late Yar'adua's administration was initiated by Gen.Obasanjo Rtd. In this case,Gen. Obansanjo had played a key role in the implementation of the progamme as a godfather to Lt.Yar'adua. He was able to get this done by throwing his support behind Lt.Yar'Adua to be elected as President.
In the example above, godfatherism is seen as a positive practice that benefits the society.

Godfatherism is a cause of high level of corruption in Nigeria but it does not come as a major cause but consequent cause beneath the listed factors below amongst many other :

1. CULTURE-
The belief,art of living,customs of people in a soceity is what defines the value and culture of the people. In a soceity where giving gift to Chiefs and Traditional rulers to express gratitude or loyalty is a norm,then a fertile ground is created for corruption in such society as in case of Nigeria. Indiscipline,greed and selfishness has been adopted in this part of the world as custom. If discpline has been used to replace our culture in Nigeria,this factor could not have emerge as major source of corruption to Politics.


2. ETHNICITY-
Another major cause of corruption is Ethnicity. Tribalism as it is called in Nigeria,impose strains on ethical disposition of Public office holder when friends and kinsmen seek favour from public official.

3.LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY-
If people are not required to account for their stewardship corruption will flourish. All government ministries and organizations lack a transparent system of administration. The biggest corruption deterrent is when civil servants, ministers and all senior management in government corporations know that they are under scrutiny. I have lost count of how many times journalists have been detained in Nigeria simply for reporting the obvious. A transparent government has nothing to fear from the media.

Babangida Administration

The regime of general Babangida is seen as the body that legalized corruption. His administration refused to give account of the gulf war windfall, which is estimated to be $12.4 billion.

While I argue that godfatherism is not the main cause of corruption and developmental crises in Nigeria,I admit that godfatherism is an underlying cause of corruption in Nigeria.
Thank you!
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 6:53pm On Jul 22, 2012
Shymmex's Argument-

shymmex: Good evening the panel of judges, co-debaters, and the audience.

I'm shymmex the voice of the masses – and my argument is in support of the motion that, godfatherism/ prebendalism/ clientelism in Nigeria Politics as being the main cause of corruption and developmental crises.

My Scholarship/Argument:
Great thinkers such as Pareto, Mosca, Michels, and Marx too devoted their political analysis to how power is used and misused by the elite class in different contexts. The domination of power by the hegemonic class in many parts of the contemporary world can thus be said to be nothing new but has a robust pedigree. The main lesson from all these works is that the study of political elites and leadership is very important for understanding the trajectories of development in any society. An important issue raised by Pareto and Marx in their works is that political elites insulate and isolate themselves from their society and try as much as possible to reproduce themselves from within. They do all possible within their reach to ensure that non-elites do not join their membership. To ensure this, the political elites maintain a safe, functional distance from the rest of the society. They reproduce themselves on an individual and selective basis in a process which Pareto specifically referred to as the 'circulation of elites'. The criteria for such elite recruitment are often parochial and the process is usually done in a manner that does not in any way compromise the traditional integrity of the dominant elite class.

The 'political godfathers' in Nigeria build an array of loyalists around them and use their influence, which is often tied to monetary considerations, to manipulate the rest of the society. Political godfathers use their influence to block the participation of others in Nigerian politics. They are political gatekeepers: they dictate who participates in politics and under what conditions. The role of such people is highly injurious to the advancement of popular, participatory democracy in Nigeria. Political godfathers are responsible for most of the pre- and post-election violence that we have seen in Nigeria.

The phenomenon of godfathers, are strictly instrumental relationship with their clients. Their main goal is to use their client to attain selfish goals; the latter too do the same. The relationship between the two of them thus has little or nothing with the larger society the two of them claim to lead.

Richard Joseph in his book; “Democracy and prebendal politics in Nigeria: The rise and fall of the second republic” asserted that the phenomena of 'prebendalism (a system of political patronage/godfatherism’ employment)' and 'clientelism (a social order which depends on relations of patronage/godfatherism)' as the two phenomena that led to the collapse of the second republic in Nigeria. The same problem led to the demise of the third republic. And if care is not taken, it is going to lead to the collapse of the present democratisation process in Nigeria.

PS: Richard Joseph described ‘godfatherism’ in the Nigerian context as ‘prebendalism’ and 'clientelism’.

The difference between these godsons and their godfathers is that the godfathers have 'a piece of the state' in their pockets. The power of the godfather lies in his position in government, the number of privileged people he has or has successfully planted in government, and hence his ability to directly or indirectly manipulate bureaucratic regulations. The godfathers in Nigerian politics are a set of oppressive elites whose stock in trade is the 'installation' of unpopular persons to fill vacant or un-vacant political offices using very crude means and blackmail.


Obasanjo as a case study:
Wole Soyinka asserted in 2004 that, the greatest disservice President Obasanjo has done to the nation was to have promoted the cult of godfatherism, its illegalities, its naked violence, and its corruption.

Obasanjo and PDP’s political coup in the SW against the incumbent AD (progressives) in 2003 showed why godfatherism isn’t ideal for Nigeria. PDP rule in the SW birthed political assassinations, underdevelopment, and extreme corruption.

Tony Anenih as a case study:
The case of Tony Anenih vs Adams Oshiomole in Edo State weakened the argument for the inevitability of godfathers in politics, with the latter being a progressive without a godfather. The tenure of Lucky Igbinedion (Annenih’s godson) was the darkest period in the history of Edo state. Igbinedion’s tenure was ridden with political assassinations, underdevelopment, and extreme corruption.

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Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 6:54pm On Jul 22, 2012
Coogar's Argument-

coogar: Good Evening, Ladies and Gents. . . . .

The wise is more of a sedative thinker who condenses facts, using intelligence, maturity, and experience to deal with all issues. The realist is a man who evaluates from empirical data, using logic and facts as his indices of rationalization to deduce a problem and eventually arriving at a solution. The optimist is one that hopes for good in the face of adversity even when the pointers tell a dark story and the foolish is of an imprudent mind, often weighed down by dogma and thoughtlessness even when confronted with facts to act in a manner contrary to reason.


I have deliberately defined this collection as part of a universal set of peoples, in which I am sure we all fall into partially or wholly at various times of our life cycle. It is not to cast particular aspersion on the integrity of any person but to lay some foundation for the fluctuation of man’s sociological and behavioral patterns when disposed to matters of critical thinking. This in a sense influences our mannerisms and modus operandi to levels verging on matters of sanity, truth, action etc or lack of them as universally accepted norms. In this instance, the corruption in Nigeria driven by political Godfathers is the case study.


It is obtuse to even think the political Godfathers in Nigeria are not responsible for the sheer penury we find ourselves today. Though Nigeria is not yet at this brim, she walks ominously to a path of near hopelessness. We (her citizens) are sunk in denial and disbelief at what have struck us. I’d ask all members of the board to recess their memory to just 30 years ago and ask where Nigeria’s place was then and where is it now in the comity of nations The nuances of decay are most revealing. Though we’re mystified by the calamitous situation we find ourselves, to our shame we still dance like masquerades to the Godfathers’ lures of deceit. This is sad. A country that suffers and smiles, weep in the morning and laughs at night without any significant change to their lives is an epitome of insanity. To this, I shed a tear.


I tell a lie if I say I am not affected by the abuse, degeneration, despair, debasement, and dehumanizing conditions Nigeria has put us all. If we do not recognize this, I’m afraid we cannot appreciate our position of retrogression. And if we do not appreciate our present state, we cannot define a path to a glorious future. Introspection is preemption to hindsight. For those in the other divide that feel differently to this notion, I salute their sagacity. As a honourable member of Nigeria’s intelligentsia, I assume these strategies are already in place. But what can be the efficacy of prayers when it is done in deceit? What tickles my anger though is the hint of hypocritical euphemism that underscores such rhetoric.


The philosophy of life dictates that principles are permanent but forms may differ. In Nigeria, the converse is the case. How do we change a political class of Godfathers that have little or no form of ethical decorum or morals? Nigeria's problem is most evident for the blind to see. Corruption is everywhere and the truth is that Nigeria is defying all rational theories or known history. The moral bankruptcy of the ruling class goes unchecked because the system allows it. It baffles me to hear that we still ask ourselves how to change such cancer that pervades all levels of the socio-political fabric as if we do not know the causes are self-orchestrated. Even so, it is a criminal presumption to contend that we have been doing all that can be done over the years.


Nigerians do not suffer from a barren history - only a corrupt one. We also ravel in a state of sycophantic stupor to cheer these Godfathers whom we all know are the causes of our problems. Praise singing is part of our innate culture. Self-aggrandizement is also second nature. The Pastors, Imams, Obis, Obas, and Emirs parade themselves criss-crossing the country to endorse politicians and juntas in a bid to wet their palms. The travesty of political prostitution knows no bounds. Even then, they claim to be our leaders and the custodians of our fate. These men are not any more pregnant with ideas than you or I. In fact they are less intelligent and if I can add, men of little reckoning to me, given their precedents.


Our contributions must lie in the sincerity of our purpose and our resolve to carry out systematic change. I want to make it clear that It is not pessimism that fuels my writing, rather it is the strength of love that I have for my country. The venom I spit is to awaken other comrades who appear to be insular to the tirade of calls for constructive non-sentimental change in Nigeria. It is our right not a privilege to demand nothing but good governance for the sweat of our labour and the dignity humanity reposes on us.


It is the doom of humanity that all animate things would eventually become inanimate. Whether we like it or not, death is an inevitable end for us all. Therefore, pretension to the spate of affairs and the onus it serves to every citizen must not be diluted or waved aside. We must be as critical if we want to get to the promised land. In an emporium of mischief makers, there would be serial liars, cheats, fawners, betrayers and evil men. The incubation period for good over evil is undefined but if we can ask the critical question with the same passion that stimulates our anger, then; may be then, we would filter out the right solution without fear or sentiments.


As such, we need to gravitate our minds to see how best we can tackle the corrupt political class and their cohorts. If we do, then by default, constitutional corruption will abate. When we talk about cleansing a society of hoodlums, it does not equate to the total eradication of social menaces but the attempt at an improved but defined social order. Obviously, as long as there is man, there would be vices. However, a scum can not secrete purity; in other words, a corrupt system(like the political class we have in Nigeria) cannot make laws or uphold same over its subjects or itself. We need to act decisively to obliterate the present class to historical oblivion and start a new political journey comprising of new sets of peoples whose antecedents should have been proven. Accountability and transparency not favouritism and Godfatherism should be the guiding benchmarks.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 6:58pm On Jul 22, 2012
Chucky234's Argument-

chucky234: Honourable panel of judges,time-keeper,my co-debaters and our distinguished audience.

I am here to speak for the motion God-fatherism in Nigeria politics: the main cause of corruption and developmental crises.

God-fatherism is no doubt the major problem of Nigeria politics,the political system has been re-structured by the god-fathers in such a way that anybody seeking political appointment most bend to their wishes before getting the node.
All political appointees must agreed to certain contractual agreement that requires the said politician seeking appointment to remit certain percentage of total revenue generated by the said politician if being appointed and that include but not limited to annual budget,civil servants salaries,oil and gas sales,cost of setting up committees,all contract to be awarded to contractors e.t.c.

Inorder to fullfil his own side of the agreement the elected official take to stealing and looting of public funds,overdrafting of invoices,awarding contract to relatives,allocation of pay packages to ghost workers in goverment agencies and civil services,payment of contract amount in full before commencing the projects,ilegal trading of oil and gas in a desperate bid to raise funds,operating of secret accounts where public funds are stashed away in foreign countries.

God-fatherism is also reponsible for the shallow and poor decisions elected government officials make daily in the sense that god-fathers opposes any decision taken by the official which they perceive to be of non financial benefit to them,as a result elected officials only takes decisions that favours their god-fathers financially and must consult with their god-fathers before taking important decisions especially those that involves public funds. Tinubu has on several occassions publicly imposed decisions on Fashola many of which were agaist his will but could do little as Tinubu being his political God-father call the short,we are also witnesses to the power tussle between Ngige and his estranged god-father Chris Ubah.

Political god-fathers also makes it difficult if not impossible to appoint credible and competent individuals into the various arms of government by imposing incompetent and political novice as candidates,with those novice in government its no surprise this country is in terrible state.
We saw how Obasanjo systematically droped Odili from the presidential race after months of campaign then imposed Musa Yarudua with GEJ as his running mate,today we are witnesses to how ineffective GEJ has been since becoming president.

God-fatherism is also reponsible for the poor development of the Nigeria state,since the elected officials have looted funds for meant for the development of the nation to satisfies or honour the agreement entered with their political god-fathers they are left with little to spend in improving the living condition of the masses,our educational system,infrastructural development,construction of roads,standard public healthcare system and effective transportation system across the federation.

With the above said you can agree with me that god-fatherism in Nigeria politics is the major cause of corruption and developmental crises in this great country, thank you.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 6:59pm On Jul 22, 2012
Cheddarking's Argument-
cheddarking: Godfatherism in Nigeria is blend of favoritism and a twisted form of investment where the Godfather uses his political and financial clout to bestow or show favoritism to beneficiary seeking advancement in business and politics,provided that the beneficiary increases his Godfather's sphere of influence within his(beneficiary's) field.


Proof of existence.

Most Nairalanders will have experienced Godfatherism at one point in time. One Godfather somewhere may have got us jobs, admission to university, lucrative contracts etc.

Jolly Nyame, 3 term former governor of Taraba state is quoted on the BBC's Focus on Africa "One thing in politics is that you must believe in Godfatherism. If I did not believe in it, I would not be in daddy's place" He continues to say "Whether you like it or not, as a godfather you will not be a governor, you will not be a president, but you can make a governor, you can make a president"(BBC,2003)

Chris Uba - the acclaimed godfather of Anambra State is quoted as stating way back in 2003: "I am the greatest godfather in Nigeria because this is the first time an individual single-handedly put in position every politician in the state."

Jibrin Ibrahim notes that in most cases the Godfathers are unsaleable to the masses and therefore has to put a surrogate in a political position he(the Godfather) intends to benefit from(BBC,2003)

Animasawun states that concept of Nigerian God-fatherism is partially derived "from the long years of military rule that created a class of Big-Men or Big-Man rule in Nigeria", describing big man rule as a political system dominated by individuals and personal relationships, in which peace is ensured by the distribution of cash, cash-generating opportunities and favours reinforced by an African culture that encourages deference and fear of the wealthy or powerful, in the hope that the Big-Man whether a local chief, warlord, party chieftain, political office-holder or a president will protect and provide for those under his wing and punish those who oppose him. (Animasawun 2012)

As a result of being shoe-horned into office by the Godfathers, political office holders at every level are required to fulfill their end of the bargain by performing favours for their Godfathers. Favours that more-often-than-not are detrimental to the general populace of Nigeria.

Bogus contracts are given for inflated prices. Large amounts of allocated budgets go to redeeming this so called 'campaign debt'. Office holders are ham-stringed and unable to act when their Godfthers act above the law.

Boko-Haram is proof of the extreme effects of God-fatherism. Even our current president came out to say there where Boko Haram sympathizers within his government, yet he was unable to expose them. Most of us live or have lived in Nigeria. Most of us know these things. We know who backed Fashola into office and we know Goodluck's deal with the PDP-the Cabal of Godfathers or Godfather Inc.
We saw how Adedibu kicked Ladoja out of office in 2006. Hill-Top villa in Minna is a Mecca for political aspirants in the north.

We Know these things

My opponent(s) may try to bamboozle you and claim that most Nigerians are corrupt anyway. They may argue Politicians loot for themselves as well. They may argue that a lack of education coupled with African mentality is the cause of corruption.

But We discerning Nairalanders, We the wise ones, We know Better. With our wide open eyes, We have seen the root cause.

We know.


Pictures, they say speak louder than words.
So I close my argument with this cartoon that illustrates the power of Godfather Inc.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 7:01pm On Jul 22, 2012
Cuddlemii: SCORES
Debaters-----------------Total
Breezy047- 7 8 6 8 7= 36 4th
Newacca- 8 9 7 7 7= 38 1st
Chucky234 6 7 6 7 7= 33 5th
Coogar 8 8 5 8.6 7= 36.6 3rd
Shymmex 8 7 7 7.8 7= 36.8 2nd
Cheddarking6 7 8 7.7 7= 28.7 6th
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 7:04pm On Jul 22, 2012
THE FINAL FOUR PARTICIPANTS ARE

Newacca--- 1st position
Shymmex--- 2nd position
Coogar---- 3rd position
Breezy047- 4th position

"The debate grand finale is officially opened!"
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by OAM4J: 7:50pm On Jul 22, 2012
Contestants please wait till exactly 8:15pm before posting your rebuttals

Also as soon as you done and your opponent has posted, start responding and engage each other with questions and answers until the chairman says stop anytime after 9pm.

Audience you are to stop posting from 8:15pm, any audience post after 8:15 will be hid. You can resume posting at the end of the debate.

Thanks
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Jarus(m): 7:55pm On Jul 22, 2012
Judge Jarus reporting for duty.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Roland17(m): 7:59pm On Jul 22, 2012
Judge Roland17 signing in for today's proceedings.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:05pm On Jul 22, 2012
Where is my pop-corn......listening mode activated
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by cheddarking(m): 8:06pm On Jul 22, 2012
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:06pm On Jul 22, 2012
Scared as fvck... grin grin

I'm not in the mood today.. sad
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:07pm On Jul 22, 2012
cheddarking: Judges please see below thread.

Shymmex has been caught cheating

https://www.nairaland.com/995999/nairalands-literary-debating-day/8#11526471

https://www.nairaland.com/995999/nairalands-literary-debating-day/8#11526390

This guy back, why are following me everywhere, stalker?

Bwahahahaha
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Bontee: 8:07pm On Jul 22, 2012
Reporting as a mere spectator and hoping to read more interesting points but please, can you give more time to the debaters to pick on each other?.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by cheddarking(m): 8:08pm On Jul 22, 2012
If Shymmex the Plagiarist is allowed to debate,
Then this debate and its judges have lost all credibility....

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Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by manny4life(m): 8:08pm On Jul 22, 2012
Let's see what's gonna happen today, enough mouthing off yesterday... embarassed embarassed undecided undecided
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by coogar: 8:09pm On Jul 22, 2012
cheddarking: Judges please see below thread.

Shymmex has been caught cheating

https://www.nairaland.com/995999/nairalands-literary-debating-day/8#11526471

https://www.nairaland.com/995999/nairalands-literary-debating-day/8#11526390

shymmex should be dq'd and the contestant that came 5th should take his place....
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by BABE3: 8:10pm On Jul 22, 2012
TEAM COOGAR!

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Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by BABE3: 8:11pm On Jul 22, 2012

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Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:11pm On Jul 22, 2012
Cheddarking, stay on queue, you're next after newacca..

You're an obsessed fan... You don't want it with me, just ask sagamite..

I'm a don!!
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by OAM4J: 8:13pm On Jul 22, 2012
Contestant start warming up, remember to focus on your opponents posts its freestyle from start to finish, no interruption, prove to judges and audience that you know what you are talking about, the more you make your opponent look dumb the better for you grin

Good luck! May the best man win.

The chairman will signal the start any moment from now
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:14pm On Jul 22, 2012
coogar:

shymmex should be dq'd and the contestant that came 5th should take his place....

WTF are you on about?

I cited Pareto, Mosca, Michels, and Marx's assertions at the beginning of my scholarship, and I didn't even get marks for the citation..
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Cuddlemii: 8:15pm On Jul 22, 2012
Its 8:15pm, participants start posting your rebuttals/response/questions/answers!

"Best of luck!"
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Rocktation(f): 8:15pm On Jul 22, 2012
Cuddles, I don't see Breezy's arguement.
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:15pm On Jul 22, 2012
Who's this BABE! thing that has been following me around since yesterday?

Do I know you?

Stay in your lane, cu.nt faced slag..
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by antitpiah: 8:18pm On Jul 22, 2012
shymmex: Who's this BABE! thing that has been following me around since yesterday?

Do I know you?

Stay in your lane, cu.nt faced slag..


She is this Yoruba girl from Modakeke, currently living in California, USA. It looks like she is in heat and very desperate to phock you. Are you game?
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by OAM4J: 8:18pm On Jul 22, 2012
BABE!:


What the hell is going on? Shymexx is caught plagiarizing his whole debate and you judges are ignoring??!!! When Sagamite acted up y'all were quick to postpone and take ridiculous actions . . .

Abeg . . something has to be done. .

Too late to check it now, we will investigate after, if found guilty he might be disqualified.

For now lets the show go on
Re: Nairaland's Literary & Debating Day - FINALS by Nobody: 8:18pm On Jul 22, 2012
What the fvck plagiarism in a debate?

How old are these scroungers?

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