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davidylan: That is a fact that majority of them come from broken homes. You can bury your head in the sand all you want.

Why do you call me a misogynist? I suppose others are not allowed to have an opinion other than yours?

well,they are disadvantaged in society no doubt. in fact, 2 parent household is an impossibility in black communities. the males are unemployed and criminals. unless you are arguing that women should start marrying criminals and wife beaters just so they can have a Mrs. title in front of their name.

if u hold misogynist opinions, u are a misogynist. abeg, don't make me laugh.

biolabee: where do you people get off with these assertions
I know of women who lost their hubbies and no one called them widows

Dont bring archaic traditions of 40 years ago and make it like it still happens and is widespread

a woman who lost her husband to death is a widow. LOL check you dictionary.
last time I checked, in Africa, it is usually widows and orphans who are most likely to be accused of witchcraft.
http://www.blackchristiannews.com/news/2013/04/christian-leaders-in-africa-seek-to-protect-widows-orphans-from-witchcraft-accusations.html

davidylan: perhaps because most are already totting 3 kids before they are 19 for 3 different fathers? I wont marry them too.

teenage pregnancies are actually at an all time low. yet poverty rates are high. even among two parent households.
last time I checked, finances was the #1 cause of divorce.
women are single usually because the men are unemployed and incapable of supporting in the household. have u ever thought of that?
until men start to recognize this fact (middle class white males have), then single parent households are only going to increase further.
if as a man, you can't provide financially for the family, then u should put ur ego aside and start cooking in the kitchen while your wife works. this is what is causing marriage rates to climb again among educated whites. gender roles have changed and couples work more as partners and support each other's strengths.

those women in the ghetto actually choose to be single mothers. the chance of them finding an employed black male in the ghetto who is not into drugs is almost 0. they have no option than be single parent or childless.

davidylan: It is more simple than you think... they are living in poverty because they are single mothers. It is much harder to gain the education you need or move for the jobs that pay you what you need when you are tied down by children you cant support (some born at the age of 15) and unnecessary child custody battles.

ok good for you. and the black males living in poverty are there because of single mothers too I assume.
question then is, why do you not support abortion?
you would assume that mysoginists like you would support a mass campaign to sterilize poor blacks by now.
in fact, I actually support less fertility for blacks. I agree that if blacks are living in poverty, they should not be procreating as much. all men who have criminal records by age 16 should probably be sterilized.

davidylan: If those black males are in jail it is because they committed a crime. If you went back to check, most of those black males came from single parent homes.

so whose fault is it? the single mother or the father who is probably a crack cocaine addict or criminal?
why does society place the blame on the single mother?

in the 40s and 50s, a woman's education would have worked against her in finding a marriage partner. in fact, many women had to choose between getting married and getting an advanced degree.
this is due to BELIEFS held by white males at the time about women's role in the household. since those sexist beliefs have largely eroded esp. among upper middle class, their marriage rates are going up!!
it is the lower class that are now having a hard time getting married and staying married.

davidylan: I'm not sure what your point is... but it is a well-known fact that the vast majority (more than 70%) of kids born to single mothers are more likely to remain in poverty or end up with criminal records. We're not exactly blaming them for the facts now are we?

this is a chicken and egg question. are those women living in poverty because they are single mothers. or are they single because they are in poverty and black?

u will notice that majority of those women are also black. and you will also look at black males and find that compared to other races black males are more likely to be unemployed,in poverty and in jail. in fact, there are more black women in the labor force than black males! this kind statistic only applies to blacks!do you not think for any second that this contributes to the increase in single parenthood?

among whites, increasingly, the higher the income and education of a woman, the more likely she is to get married. also partially due to changing believes on part of white males who now esteem intelligence and education in finding a marriag partner. esp. in this recession where two parent income is almost necessity for living a comfortable middle class life.

davidylan: If single motherhood is all you all crack it up to be then why are single mothers usually very desperate to marry and raise their kids in two-parent families? Perhaps they are just ignorant and sexist too?

I thoroughly deplore tactics like this... the use of inflammatory but baseless ad hominems to shut down debate when you have nothing else to say.

if you read my post, u will see that I do not say single motherhood is ideal. In fact, LOVING, GENUINE two parent home is ideal. yet this is not as common as we all pretend it is: see michelle obama video.

the fact that single mothers are persecuted by society is the point i'm making here. this persecution results because of the vulnerable position single mothers are in. it is usually the most vulnerable that are typically persecuted and blamed for ills.

in africa where they like to pride themselves in having "low divorce" rates, they persecute the women whose husbands have passed away. ie single widows. hence it is obvious that the hatred doesn't come out of concern for children but rather a sexist place that just hates women.

same way ppl like to make arguments on why mass black incaceration is a good thing. when the place that argument is coming from has racist elements to it rather than just solely a anti-crime perspective.

ok good for you. he was partially raised by his grand parents from age 10-16. sure u win.

anyway,
nothing wrong with loving two parent homes. it's ideal. but when we start persecuting single mothers or blaming them for societal ills. then how does that help? how is that different from what they do in africa where they scapegoat older female widows as "witches" usually the most vulnerable ppl being blamed for societal ills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGoQ1NSSWs

davidylan: you seem to be stumbling around here. I didnt say what you "thought". That was in your own head. Fellis made the claim that Obama is an example of a man raised by a single mother who made it, i only stepped in to remind her that he was raised from the age of 10 by his grandparents... i.e. the single-mom as supermom trope is nonsense since she relies so heavily on family to help out. The rest of the stuff you wrote must be your own fantasy.

Yep his mother didnt remarry till he was 6 so what? Read his memoirs... its pretty obvious he wasnt a fan of his family situation. But of course pple like you who were never there know better no?

well, i'm not fellis. i am just pointing out the inconsistencies I see in your post.
and like I said, the bastardization of "single motherhood" is borne out of ignorace and sexism when you get to the core of it. since women tend not to be single throughout their lives. a child is usually raised by a single mother for a portion of their lives and even if they are raised throughout, there is help from family members etc.

on the other hand, there are situations where a child's parents are married, yet the child is raised solely by the mother while the father might be absent or abusive. yet, such child is on the surface seen to be raised in a two-parent household.

toshmann: You're still insulting me but lets get on with the debate. where I live, men like to be called Men and women like to be called girls.

well, you are republican. i'm sure ur white friends call you ni*gger and you thoroughly enjoy it. hence why they feel that all blacks like being called ni*gger.

davidylan: Like someone has made clear here... even Obama writes about how tough it was growing up without a father which is why he has consistently stated his determination to keep his daughters in a loving two-parent home.

ok. I thought you said he grew up with two parents so therefore he doesn't qualify as someone being raised with a single mom. so now u are distingushing the way he was raised from that of a household with two parents. hahah see contradiction. esp since his mom didn't remarry until he was 6. he lived with his single mom and grand parents up until he left with his mother to jakarta.
do you know what his relationship is to his step-father. abeg. u sound like one of those people who like to argue for d sake of arguing because u r contradicting urself here.

and of course loving two-parent home is the best. emphasis on "loving"
u can have a two-parent household where the father is absent 90% of the time. how is this different from a single parent family. remember even michelle obama herself "misspoke" recently and called herself a single parent. LOL reason being that barack is rarely around.

nothing wrong with loving two parent homes. it's ideal. but when we start persecuting single mothers or blaming them for societal ills. then how does that help? how is that different from what they do in africa where they scapegoat older female widows as "witches" usually the most vulnerable ppl being blamed for societal ills.

toshmann: I voted for Romney because

see them coming out...

toshmann: In not against contraceptives. Condom is a form of contraceptive. I'm all for it,

right. until that day comes when women can use their magical power to force condom on a guy. or that day when they can gain magical powers to prevent guys from drugging their drinks, then u can say as much as u want.
until then, i'm happy with laws that give women options to gain control over their wombs.
options being the key here.

davidylan: Actually Obama fought to keep age restrictions on access to plan B contraceptives and lost. You should pay attention to the news.

he is the president so you can't really say that he "lost"
if bush were in power or even mccain or romney. trust that the case will go all the way to the supreme court.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0611/Morning-after-pill-how-the-politics-of-Plan-B-changed-for-Obama

toshmann: Ok, I get you. Revenge mission. You win. I was making fun of that issue. But honestly, from the bottom of my innocent heart, I really dot know what to call you. I called you a girl and you got offended. I called a feminist in wales "a lady" she sent me a two page attachment e-mail telling me how she has just been offended. When I complained some other ladies in my class came to my rescue and said I could call them lady.
My nephew got into trouble in school for calling his teacher "a woman".

So you can call me naive if you will. But truth is, I honestly don't know what to call you or any self identified feminist out there. I just don't know what I'll say and they get offended. I've met quite a number of feminists in Europe and America. They are always irritable. I don't know why.

So what can I call you then?
Woman? Lady? What?

you are making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
I was only questioning your motive for speaking of girls in relation to men. esp when u talked about marriage and gender roles.
i'm sure you studied in primary school that:girl is to boy as man is to woman.
abi?

you are quite irritable yourself.

toshmann: If abortion is what you want in feminism I'm sorry y'all will loose. The battle in Texas is not over yet. Have your fun but unborn babies have rights too. This abortion issue is the reason why I registered in the Republican Party of Ohio. What is wrong with y'all?

By the end of this decade it will be almost impossible to have abortions in most US states and this is a battle to save defence less unborn babies and not a battle to enslave women.

Yeye de smell. Okwa Texas. I trust them. You don't want a child, close your legs! You can't close your legs, use a condom (I can provide this for free ) . If a criminal rapes you, report to police and get medical attention within 72hrs of rape. Not when the fetus is 7 months old you start yelling abortion rights. It ain't gonna happen. Not in Ohio, and I'm sure not in Texas. You can go to New York or better still Europe.

lol. no comment.
I wonder why those texas republican old men are hell bent on controlling women's wombs. hahahaha
goodluck in ur dreams of banning abortion to enslave women.rotflmao.

on another note, women won a battle last week to be able to get plan b contraceptives over the counter for all ages. obama fought for this and stands for women's reproductive rights. which is why women voted him in of course
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/us/fda-clears-way-for-contraceptive.html?ref=planbcontraceptive
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/20/science/la-sci-fda-plan-b-20130621
it is things like this that will help reduce high rates of abortion in d first place.

davidylan: Where did i "twist the facts"? you do agree that he was RAISED from the age of 10 solely by his grandparents no?
Secondly, all the time he was in indonesia, you do agree that his mother wasnt "single" since she was MARRIED and raising other kids as well no?

What has his going to occidental college at 17 to do with the issue? Besides your need to let us know you read his memoirs?

he was not raised solely by his grandparents. he was partially raised by his grandparents. and you can say the same for the 70% of so called black kids raised by single moms. majority of them aren't raised by single moms when you consider that many of them spend time with grandparents and other family members. duh. or that they were raised in two parent household for some years before divorce etc or later when parents re-marry.
even kids raised in two parent households are sometimes partially raised by house-helps.

u twisted the fact when u make it seem as if his mom left him to travel to foreign continents. when in fact, his mom made the decision to let him go to a prestigious school in hawaii.
many nigerians send their kids from age 10 to attend federal boarding schools in distant states. is there any difference?

davidylan: He was raised by his grandparents from the age of 10 while his mother was away on another continent. These are verifiable facts.

actually, he lived in indonesia (the other continent you are talking about) with his mom until the age of 10 when he came back to hawaii to start school at a prestigious college prep academy in hawaii sponsored by his grandmother who was a bank vice president. from there, he went on to occidental college at the age of 17.
stop twisting the facts.

I read his memoir so I know. did you?

more about senator wendy davis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKVOdADh4

toshmann: You know I didn't mention anybody's name there.
But obviously many women go about feminism in such manners, not all of them, but many of them. Look through my post and find out where I insulted anybody. If you do, I will apologize.

But someone (name withheld) has called me a dick . And I didn't notice you pointing that out for criticism, how can I ask a feminist to apologize to me? perhaps the person will say its gender discrimination.

you 'indirectly' called someone a b*itch, w*itch
and u get angry that that someone (name whitheld) called you a d*ick.
hahahaha what a clown


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on a more important note:
victory for women in America this week


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-HD47tUg0g
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/opinion/collins-wendy-and-the-boys.html?_r=0

toshmann: Domestic violence is against the law
despoil is against the law
Equal pay for women is now the status in US
Gender discrimination is against the law.

how do you think those law came to pass?
do you think men just woke up and decided to pass those laws?
plz don't be dumb and clueless. those things u listed up there were due to feminists who fought to change those laws.
there are women (feminists) working to make sure of gender equality.

until people's misogynist minds and attitudes change, the fight is not over. even if the law changes, groups have to be on their guard to protect the law. duh. otherwise, people will find loopholes around the law. so it is important to be vigilant

remember slavery was abolished in 1850 by law. yet because whites still had racist mentality, they imposed something new to replace it: jim crow laws. and then when jim crow laws were abolished in the 60s, there still yet are new mechanisms used to replace it: mass incarceration of blacks males etc.
people will tell you that racism is over in the same breath that they will tell you gender discrimination is over.
let me ask you: do you believe that racism is over?

a lot of nigerians going to SA for illegal trades are spoiling Nigeria's name for us.
I wonder why they don't call themselves Biafrans outside of the country. Nigeria's image will be better without all these 419 and foreign police trouble.
yet the same people act as if they are god's gift to Nigeria. *spits*

davidylan: Actually he was raised by his grandparents.

he was raised by a single parent with help from grandparents.
this can also be said for majority of so called kids raised in "single parent" households. it is all made possible sometimes with help from grandparents, uncles, aunts etc.

cool pics.

biolabee: and how do you define no 1

it is stated very obviously there.
look at the president of the USA for example. he respects his wife as an equal and believes in women rights.
same with more and more white american males.
In fact, marriage rate is starting to go up among educated whites. the more educated a woman is, the higher her chances are of finding a marriage partner. white males have changed their sexist attitude to a large extent. obviously they put away their ego and pride and started to face reality. the laws have something to do with it too. when government enforces laws, people can hate all they want but they can't hurt.

from personal experience, an older white couple I am friends with just bought a house worth over half a million dollars. it doesn't look flashy but in an extremely nice neighborhood with good schools. both partners spend almost equal amount of time cooking in the kitchen. sometimes they do it together. they both work and have good salaries. they are not mega rich but their incomes combined becomes a lot. I stayed with them for a few months so I see their family dynamics. they are very much equal partners. they have built their wealth that way as partners.


60 yrs ago, most white men picked "ability to cook and clean" or "good looks" as the best quality in a wife. as if the are screening for housemaids.
today, men are choosing "intelligence" and "education" because duh it is now more of a partnership. it makes the family stronger. esp now since there is a recession going on. people are looking at what matters most. rather than pride and ego.

those of you making mouth, i'm sure u will probably not want a stay at home wife. even if you feel you do, when reality hits, and ur income cannot sustain the family, u will prod your wife to go to work. then she will also become more assertive with her financial independence, then what will you do? either you accept her as an equal partner or ur marriage will go to the rocks.

so, feminism didn't destroy marriage. attitudes did. and once those attitudes started to change, marriage rates started going up again among the same groups.

biolabee: Same with the gays now who now seem to have more rights than the straight people

Most senseless and insipid post of the year goes to biolabee.

so you are scared that gay people will have more rights than you. scared that women will have more rights than you. that's why you are ok with gay people and women being discriminated against and maltreated by society. because you only care about yourself and want to maintain your power and privilege over others. you don't want other groups to enjoy the same privileges. that's good. but at the end of the day, the feminists and gay rights activists are also fighting for themselves. and hopefully, they are winning!
I wonder why you aren't fighting for men's rights then? people fight when they have something to fight for. clearly you are in a very comfortable position right now.

have you ever heard of the KKK? formed by poor whites who were scared that blacks will gain more rights than them. so they went about terrorizing blacks for the greater part of the 19th and 20th century.

at the end of the day. No one cares of your opinion. as long as government will grant rights and PROTECT those rights, your opinion is moot. hate all u want. changing the laws and enforcing those laws is the goal.

look at these whites who did not want blacks to attend school with them. they want to beat her up. but they can't because the soldiers are standing in the corner. the law had been changed to allow blacks to attend "white" schools. federal troops were sent in to enforce the law. does that mean that blacks wanted to be white? NO. they just wanted to enjoy the same rights of quality education. This is after blacks fought successfully to desegregate American schools.

little rock nine
[img]http://filipspagnoli.files./2009/06/little-rock-nine.jpeg?w=550&h=414[/img]

we will see images like these shortly in front of churches and wedding sites. homophobic vampires will stand in front of buildings trying to prevent gays from engaging in civic marriage. the federal troops will be there to enforce the law that now allows gay marriage in many american states. thank GOD.

toshmann: Girl is this a problem for ya? I'm ready to call you whatever you want to be called. Choose one;
Girl
Old woman
Biatch
Witch
Etc: I promise to call you whatever you want.

Next pls

After reading this, I did not bother to read the rest of the post. what a di[size=1pt].[/size]ck.

Red-Light:
this baboon eating negro actually knows nigeria more than nigerians

#interesting

shame i dont know i shit about cameroon... did anyone actually care about that most backward nation?

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the topic title is misleading. it should be "South-African Girls Arrested For Having Criminal Nigerian Friends"

that's just what's known as "guilt by association"
I guess she assumed that because she is SA they will not come for her. WRONG.
but certainly there is xenophobia in SA.

also, wasn't there a thread not too long ago that claimed that travel between SA and Nigeria is now visa-free? anyone who believed that rubbish should now read this thread.

CAMEROONPRIDE: *thread unfollowed* you girls are mad. Nigerian men asked you the rights you guys want none of you answered. fminist are bunch of confused whiners.

who said we wanted any rights from you? who are you?
go and sit down in a corner. or better still, get back to your cage.


feminist hero!
http://nation.time.com/2013/06/26/meet-the-woman-behind-the-texas-abortion-filibuster/
Africa needs more women like this and Chimamanda taking control and putting these people in their places. rights will not be handed over voluntarily. women must FIGHT for it.