₦airaland Forum

davidylan: Well you were the one comparing our silence to the silence that led to the holocaust. So let me ask you... dramatic much?

ok. good for you. what do u mean by "our silence"?
I don't see u being silent here. you are as anti-feminist as they come. I bet you could have been one of those men burning the old women in Kenya for being "witches". *puke*

davidylan: you mean we are going to be herding women to gas chambers next? Now this thread has devolved into desperate mudslinging.

dramatic much?

davidylan: perhaps because fewer women are interested in being CEOs than men? there are far more white female CEOs than black male CEOs... perhaps your fight is rather misplaced. Maybe you should start with fighting for black rights first and leave feminism to white women who at least dont have the "disadvantage" of skin color like you do.

sure. blacks are also very uninterested in education and success. most of them like jail environment. in fact, many of them enjoyed slavery and were loyal to their masters.
as a matter of fact, even in Nigeria, imagine nigeria will be a better place if we were still colonized don't u think?

silly senseless argument that even u know you are cringing as u type it

toshmann: Saudi Arabia

Now that is where feminists are needed
Abeg make una no go there o.

i'm pretty sure Nigeria is not that far off the list. nigeria may be worse sef.

I.Joan:
Why associate with something that is unnecessary?
Most people are indifferent to feminism (and not necessarily anti-feminists) because what you claim to fight for is not necessary here...
Both men and women have equal rights in my environment!

I will respect you guys if you move to India, Saudi Arabia..etc and fight for women instead of fighting men online!

it's ok to be indifferent to feminism. I was for a while and I still am once in a while.
but it is dangerous. holocaust happened because millions of people were indifferent. lots of horrible things happen because people are indifferent. the horrible things don't just start out of nowhere. it builds up gradually and when there is no opposition to it, it picks up steam.

but when you are anti-feminist you are coming from a place of hatred for women's rights. I hope your post is a way to clarify that you are not anti-feminist but rather only indifferent to the idea.

i'm glad men and women have equal rights in your environment. thank the feminists who made it possible. that USA is not india or Saudi Arabia. and the feminists who are continuing to fight to keep women's rights from being taken away.

druid06: @99cent, I don't think you're intelligent as you claim. Your thesis and argument on this matter are totally false. I just think you're one of those girls/women who enjoys attention and performance high so you make up this false claims so people could awe at your false intelligence if you even have one. Like I.Joan said, if you truly believe in today's world that women don't enjoy equal rights as men then you need to get your head examined. I think you need exposure.

again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never claimed intelligence. clearly, u must have found that somewhere.
"performance high"? again you must have seen that somewhere.
but if you are trying to call me dumb, then I will tell u right off the bat that I am NOT dumb. i'm not one of those "girls" you hang around.

I will leave you to your machinations. but plz stop putting words in my mouth.
i'm still waiting for the list of thousands of women CEOs of global companies that you talk about.

I.Joan:
Yea... I live in the U.S.A!!!
How do black and whites not have equal right!!!

Y'all try to look for what is not there...

I didn't see this last sentence. now the comment is even funnier.

biolabee: That has been your 'stock-in-thread'(sic)
Wat does trojan horse have to do with the issue
She identified herself as not being a feminist

re-read my post where I mention trojan horse. and search for the context. context is key.


Metaphorically a "Trojan Horse" has come to mean any trick or stratagem that causes a target to invite a foe into a securely protected bastion or space. It is also associated with "malware" computer programs presented as useful or harmless to induce the user to install and run them.


she is woman. so she can be used by men as a trojan horse to penetrate the feminist space.
unless u are also assuming that I was calling her a computer malware
in that case, I apologize. next time, I will use simple words when responding to your post and try not to confuse you too much with metaphors.

I.Joan:
Yea... I live in the U.S.A!!!
How do black and whites not have equal right!!!

CLASSIC
case closed.
and this is why some men believe that women are dumb. of course they prefer it that way. dumb women are easier to control.

if anything, u are the one who have called me names. but again, I have thick skin so I can handle it.

I.Joan:
Sis...
You've to do away with the name-calling to be taken seriously!!!

I think some of her personal experiences are false... They were tailored to fit her speech!

I think you need to start hitting the books and reading.
"trojan horse" is a metaphor not a name-calling! check your dictionary or pick up a book on greek mythology. seriously

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse

davidylan: Using race as a red herring here ma'am. You're trying to compare apples with oranges.

can you explain more?

I think sexism is similar to racism and homophobia. it consists of a privileged group opressing a less priviledged one.
you will see that the arguments for both are similar.

in fact, the second feminist wave coincided with the black civil rights and gay rights movement in the 60s.
blacks, gays and women tend to vote along similar lines as well. coincidence much?

I.Joan:
You sound like the atheists I argue with 'I am a christian because i don't read books'
Reading is not my favorite hobby because I prefer to code

yes, I could easily tell that you don't read. the more educated a woman is, the more likely she is to be a feminist. and it makes a lot of sense.

even many women in middle east and norther nigeria who are being oppressed will defend their system. it's like a fish living in a tank and thinking the world is made out of water and water only. they do not see that they are being oppressed until they leave their fish tank, see the outside world and realize how bad they have it. to them, it may be ok that women are being stoned. they have internalized their oppression.

now the educated women who read, who are accomplished and still are anti-feminists. those are the worst evil of all. akin to a house slave who despises the field slave.

I.Joan:
In 2013, you think men and women don't have equal rights?

I don't think. I KNOW that men and women don't have equal rights.
do you think that black and whites have equal rights? (i'm assuming here that you live in the USA. if not, then u can ignore my question.)

I.Joan:
What sane rights are you actually clamoring for that the law has not taken care of?

You were the one who actually did the name-calling(a female misogynist)just because I didn't support your views!
I am not a Feminist because it has been taken to the extreme and so, does not make sense anymore! They seem lost and don't know what they are fighting for!

You sound like the atheists I argue with 'I am a christian because i don't read books'
Reading is not my favorite hobby because I prefer to code

I actually tried to read Chimamanda's books but like you I got bored and couldn't finish it!

feminists have always been regarded as extremists!
of course it won't make sense to you.

I don't know how old you are but when you are young and in school, the textbooks paint a rosy picture of what feminists were like and how they fought for women's rights. what u don't hear is that they were treated much the same way and even worse as feminists are today.

feminism has always been rad, baby!!
no one is asking u to join. in fact, we probably would prefer that you don't. we don't want trojan horses in our midst.

I got bored by Chimanda's books too to be honest. I prefer non-fiction to fiction. The fiction I read are all classic works over 100yrs old. But I LOVE Adichie's speeches.
what part of her speech do you disagree with?

druid06: Well, me saying thousands of women are currently holding the position of C.E.O's of great companies is an exaggeration on my side and I am sorry for that wrong thesis but what we can both agree on is that like men, women too rise into the peak of their respective careers..

As for political posts, I think each and everyone holding a significant post in the world including men got there by winning more votes. Are you saying elections should be cancelled and redone just because more women are not holding these political posts?. I don't get you.

So your basic point is women should be favored more in todays society? That's totally opposite of what feminism stands for.

I don't think women should be favored more in society. men and women should have EQUAL rights.
women's rights is about equal rights
get it right.

no one said elections should be cancelled and redone. stop putting words in my mouth.
but if you are asking my opinion on how to get more women to be politically involved,then u should ask me directly rather than putting words in my mouth.

besides, it wasn't too long ago that women didn't have any right at all to vote!! it's going to be a step by step process.no one is expecting the 'man' to hand women rights voluntarily. women will have to fight and work for it. that's sad but it's reality. that's why feminism exist.

druid06: I think the only places in the world where this idea hasn't been totally welcomed and accepted is some part in Africa and the whole of the Arabia nation. Those feminist should take their views and idealogy into those afforementioned places and stop constituting mayhem and destroying what feminism stands for.. Good night!

what do you suppose feminism stands for?
last time I checked, the women who made USA what it is were hated and mocked. the women who are fighting to keep USA what it is are also hated (by misogynists) and mocked.

even your so-called idea of what feminism stand for: I-Joan, has come out to confess that she is NOT a feminist.
you did not create feminism. women did. so who gives u d right to define it for us?

stop trying to redefine feminism to fit your misogynist mindframe. God forbid feminists lay dormant today, USA will become arabia and africa tomorrow.

i'm glad though that you admit that africa and middle east need A LOT of feminist work.

toshmann: Like I said, the keyword is PREVENTION!!!

you keep mentioning prevention as if u are trying to say something but ashamed to say. say what is on your mind. what do you mean by "prevention"
who should prevent rap.e? the ra.ped woman?
say it loud and proud what you mean by "PREVENTION" blame the woman outfront rather than trying to use lame codes.

again, refer to the republican rap.e advisory list.

fellis: Abeg gerrout and stop disturbing me jor.

Proof you will not bring, you keep insisting that they are sympathetic and in 20 years time yada yada yada.

Gerrout.

LOL

druid06: Women in today's society are enjoying equal rights same as men. There are thousands of female C.E.O of giant companies all over the world. Women hold great political post virtually everywhere in the world even some had ruled nations.

name just 80 out of the thousands of female C.E.Os of giant companies all over the world that you talk about.
list to me the great political posts of women all over the world as compared to men.
until then, you should go to sleep.

might as well proclaim that racism is dead because obama is president.
another lame argument.

I.Joan:
For real? ? ? ?

So, anyone who is not a feminist is a misogynist? ? ?
You seem lonely... Get a dog!

anybody who hates women's rights is a misogynist.
you can be a non-feminist or indifferent feminism/women's rights.
but if you call yourself an anti-feminist and hate women's rights. then YES you are misogynist.

I hope you did not vote in the last election because without feminists u definitely wouldn't be able to.
if getting a dog is the worst vitriol u can use, then you FAIL. i've been called much worse than that as a feminist. try again.

and i'm not even going to ask you if you have read any of chimamada's book or if you read any books at all.

davidylan: my sister, i tire for am. I suppose she thinks being a single mom is the new word for "success" where females are concerned. I wouldnt suggest a dog though, she just might kick it.

chimamanda is a married woman lest u forget
and besides there are single mothers in the republican party who are anti-feminist. although I will assume that their number is low considering that no person in their right mind will side with their oppressor.

davidylan: Absolutely untrue. Even amoeba responds to stimulus.

those that cannot tell the difference between a fetus and a baby are as clueless as heck.
besides, why are men so up in arms about women's womb. why do you desire so much control over the woman's body. maybe we should also start referring to sperm as babies. maybe that's why the catholic church banned condom use for so long

I.Joan:
I don't understand why you keep calling them 'misogynists' I went through all of their posts and I didn't any word that expresses any hatred for the womenfolk!

you know female misogynists exist as well right?
there is a book called uncle tom's cabin that told of the story of a black slave who was so loyal to his master as to be willing to lay his life down.

if you do not want to see women succeed in society. I don't know what to call u except a misogynist. that's my opinion. I am not expecting you to agree with it.

deeper life women should use this opportunity to start dressing to please their God not some pastor.
clearly they have been scammed!!
there is no sin in wearing a earring or necklace or makeup for ur wedding for chrissake!

toshmann: Why would the black race be the only ones to wash their dirty linen in public. This madness must stop. I don't want to know of the origin of this black vs black war. It is horrible. Enough!

If a black man comes out in public to eviscerate the black woman, and he is ignored, the shame will be his to feed on.
And vice versa. It's enough.
It's hard already being black in America, don't make it worse by beating up on each other.

In both sections of her book, Wallace focused our attention on "male privilege" and how it translated into black "macho-ness", with the resultant effect that black men are as guilty of taking for themselves unearned advantages over black women as white people are guilty of taking for themselves unearned advantages over black people. She pointed out that black women continued to nurture the race physically, emotionally, and spiritually, and that the convenience of the self-sacrificing "superwoman image" (which black women willingly accept) allowed the predominatly male leaders of the civil rights movement to discount the interests and issues of black women, much like white slaveholders did; the typical black superwoman served only as an ancillary utility for black men. Wallace revealed to the world that black women, more often than not, were still "sleeping with the enemy."

Wallace was virulently attacked by almost every black "leader" who could get herself (yes, even women) and himself heard. However, if you re-read the book today, you cannot deny the fact that she was prescient in her observations and conclusions. The problems which she identified then still exist today.

I would recommend this book as a basic text for every black women's college. It should be discussed whereever concerned black people convene.
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hmmm I will have to read that book.
black macho and the myth of the superwoman

I.Joan:
Do you care to explain what you mean by this?

let toshman explain to you why he (an anti-feminist) called u his preferred feminist
hahaha

toshmann: I take credit for reviving the thread. But some other peeps here jointly will take credit for making the thread a trending one

it's a carry over discussion from another thread. trust me
and i'm glad for that because that topic was getting very disgusting. at least here we have Chimamanda as an authority figure to back the feminist cause and her name is on the topic title rather than that other silly thread.

I.Joan:
I'm not a feminist!

of course you are not!! anybody can see that.
but you are the misogynists idea of what a 'feminist' should be

pazienza: Great reply. I was impressed. I had to hit the like button. #team feminism#

yay

toshmann: They laugh at us when black men and women embarrass themselves online.


Enough!

When Black Feminism Faces The Music, and the Music Is Rap

At present there is only a small platform for black women to address the problems of sexism in rap and in their community. Feminist criticism, like many other forms of social analysis, is widely considered part of a hostile white culture. For a black feminist to chastise misogyny in rap publicly would be viewed as divisive and counterproductive. There is a widespread perception in the black community that public criticism of black men constitutes collaborating with a racist society.

The charge is hardly new. Such a reaction greeted Ntozake Shange's play ''For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf,'' my own essays, ''Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman,'' and Alice Walker's novel ''The Color Purple,'' all of which were perceived as critical of black men. After the release of the film version of ''The Color Purple,'' feminists were lambasted in the press for their supposed lack of support for black men; such critical analysis by black women has all but disappeared. In its place is ''A Black Man's Guide to the Black Woman,'' a vanity-press book by Shahrazad Ali, which has sold more than 80,000 copies by insisting that black women are neurotic, insecure and competitive with black men.

Though misogynist lyrics seem to represent the opposite of Ms. Ali's world view, these are, in fact, just two extremes on the same theme: Ms. Ali's prescription for what ails the black community is that women should not question men about their sexual philandering, and should be firmly slapped across the mouth when they do. Rap lyrics suggest just about the same: women should be silent and prone.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/29/arts/pop-view-when-black-feminism-faces-the-music-and-the-music-is-rap.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

and then I remember that you are republican. u've sure been listening to what ur fellow republican males have to say about ra.pe:
https://www.alternet.org/files/story_images/gop_rape_advisory_megachart-1.gif