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brocab:
I have been laughing at you from the beginning, why? Because the terms I am speaking are Spiritual terms.
You can only understand the bible in the flesh, this is why you believe tradition saves.

brocab:
But she is your door mat-and Lizzie teaches, everything you need to know, what does this mean? "You are both speaking the same religious lingo, the same gospel-you both believe in the same religion-if we were to look into the scriptures, lets see what Jesus meant by the verse below.
{John 17:23} I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—I in them and You in Me — that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
So you see, "I am talking about us being united as One-Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One-Christ prayed that we become one in them, this means we are acting like Christ, preaching through Christ His gospel, and obeying the Word of God.
But you are preaching Catholicism throughout the world-Lizzie also preaches Catholicism-so to speak, you are both preaching Catholicism, this makes you in One accord with Lizzie-father that you are in me, I am in you, and I in them.
Is this why you don't understand the terms of the body. Spirituality you are Lizzie, and Lizzie is you spirituality, speaking the Catholicism lingo under One accord. And still I am not expecting you to understand this simple knowledge..

brocab:
She is, you speak of her as she is, you can't help yourself, but produce Lizzie as your door mat, you use Lizzie to answer your indoctrinated so called tradition, don't you see, Lizzie is still a young Child-and you are seeking your information from a Child-if not Lizzie you have led me to sites Lizzie also uses.
Your not studying your bible-I believe Liz is your bible-you are a self-righteous Hypocrite!

brocab:
Like I said: you can give out the insults but you can't handle the come backs. Stop exposing your empty brain-is this best you could come back with.. My empty brain-may not be knowledgeable to you, but the Word of God is not knowledgeable to you either-my learning of the Catholic Church had travelled all over the world through this very site. "Not bad, not bad at all."
And like I said: Lizzie the stuff you preach on youtube has no foundation to it, you think the scriptures you are using have any meaning to your maybe's-or Hmmm's, guessing the Word of God-isn't what I call knowledgeable, no-one is learning anything positive by it, You think you have, what it takes, Lizzie you have always believed you were more special, worth something more then the others.
Lizzie it's time for you to pull your head in-you left God for this: Most Catholic's believe bowing down to statues, helps them to believe the spirit in those statue's are watching over them-most believe as long as they have a statue of saints or baby Jesus or Mary, or a crucifix cross, these spirits are looking after them, this is defiantly witchcraft, Catholic's bowing down before demons living in statues..
Lizzie most Catholic's don't even know the bible, nor do you, rebellion against your parents is sinning against God-most Catholic's say the bible is not convincing enough, most Catholic's go to Church because of a family tradition, in your case, your family was cast out, from you.
Most Catholic's believe as long as they believe they had a good life-and they asked a priest to forgive their sins, and rise the dead! They will enter into the kingdom of God: don't you realise one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
Many claim they are saved through infant baptism, "not even you-know if you were baptised" so how do you know you are saved?

Uben haven't any faith to say, Lizzie is baptised-So let myself continual-as I read through many sites you have given me, I find this-who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. {Which is the Word of God}
Lizzie your preaching on youtube haven't any backbone to it, there's no foundation and calling yourself 9 inches on Nairaland is like having your house built on sand, your house is Uben's house and it had already fallen Spirituality.

brocab:
The bad thing about you 9 inches you can throw the insults out there, but you can't handle the come backs-plus It has nothing to do with any Church made of brick and mortar-the Church is the believers, Church buildings were built to keep people together, under one accord, nothing more, no-one is concerned about who's Church building stood up the longest.
The Church was built upon the Word of God-not apostles, Christ built His Church upon the Word's Peter spoke from God-not on Peter himself.
Am I speaking with a child-stay focus on bible scriptures the apostles wrote-instead of relying on tradition, tradition tells us, Christ built the Catholic Church-but the bible tells us:

Members of the Church (Body of Christ) are joined to Christ in salvation {Ephesians 4:15-16}
Members of the Church (Body of Christ) are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ {Romans 8:9}
Members of the Church (Body of Christ) share a common bond with all other Christians, regardless of background, race, or ministry. “There should be no division in the body (One Church only!), but . . . its parts (Church members) should have equal concern for each other” {1 Corinthians 12:25}
Have you notice none of the above concerns any Church building made of brick and mortar..

brocab:
Now who's lying, you really don't know the bible-you really believe God is talking about the Catholic Church-and not the body of believers.
Still claiming everything outside the Catholic Church is man made-the Holy Spirit no longer ruins in temples made by man, He lives in temples built up by God...
God is the God of the living.
God ruins in the body of believers, Jesus calls His Church..This has nothing to do with a Catholic Church made of brick and mortar.

brocab:
So Paul didn't teach tradition-everything I had written is now indoctrinated, in which bible are they indoctrinated-obviously it isn't written in the KJ's.
And obviously Catholic tradition and the bible are not the same-you are no different to the JW's, they also have there hidden agenda's in their bible, that they believe is true to them.
Someone gave the Catholic's authority to change the Word of God-some-one had added tradition, assuming Paul taught a tradition under the secret society act's, and now claiming it is indoctrinated? "Obviously it isn't written in the bible.
By the knowledge I have received from you-is that Paul and the disciples taught the Catholic Church these indoctrinated traditions, the Catholic's believe the information was given to the Catholic Church by God Himself, they believe keeping these traditions under lock and key away from the world, man will never destroy it.
Obviously the Catholic's have also put God in a closet, and still, the Catholic's, haven't any Idea where they can find God, remembering by my own experiences, I myself couldn't find God in the Catholic Church either.
The major difference between Bible-believing Christians and Catholics, is that Catholics believe whatever the priests tell them; but genuine, born-gain, Bible-believing Christians SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES-where the Catholic's fail to do.. {John 5:39}

9inches:
Thanks for patronizing but that's not my claim nor that of the church.

Those are not called traditions. They are called doctrines. Now you see why I keep telling you how ignorant it is to mis-characterize argument you don't fully understand. I hope you use this opportunity to go read up on doctrines, dogmas, sacred traditions and sacred scriptures.

JUHABACH:
this is all a fucking smokescreen. every one and their mother knew Iran was developing a nuclear weapon PRIOR to the agreement. as usual Isreal is trying to blur the lines.
unfortunately the u.s. has had an idiot in power.

brocab:
And again, no-one knows God more then you, no-one knows the bible neither, only the Catholic's know the in's and out's about Christ..
The only way to know Christ is through Church Catholic tradition.

No-one is like the Catholic's who claim to know everything there is to know about Christ-tradition tells us to pray through the rosaries, tradition tells us to follow Mary and the saint's, tradition tells us to bow and kiss the feet of statues, tradition tells us Mary is our mediator. Catholic tradition tells us Paul preached tradition of the above.
Not even the bible can agree with the above traditions according to scripture.
The Born again bible study believers don't know Christ-not like the Catholic's do through tradition..
And you expect the world to believe you, tradition sin had also caused priest to molest Children, traditions that isn't found anywhere in the bible are worldly traditions.
To be honest if we were to follow Catholic traditions, no-one, I repeat, no-one would go into heaven to be with the Lord.

brocab:
Of course you do-you are better than the rest of us who daily studies our bibles. We can't forget you are Catholic, and Catholic's claim to know God without the Spirit of the Lord...

solite3:
The body of Christ do not include angels and old testament saint. Its not surprising you do not know what the church

solite3:
read very well I didn't ask u what is the church but WHO are the church?

The bible is not just a means but it is the inspiration of God. You cant compare the direct source from here say.

Catholism is a cult, the reason ur church cannot stand the bible alone is because it exposes it. All psedochristian organization has this same this attribute.

@ church scriptures didn't come from the church. With or without people we would still have the scriptures.
The Jews gave you the old testament which Jesus and the apostles used doesn't mean whatever they do or say is correct .
The bible is self evident that any book not part of it would be exposed.

It wasn't men that gave me the scriptures but God. God's invisible hands protected and preserves it.

your members are ignorant of scriptural truth including you. If they knew they would quit roman catholism and seek God. Of course ur cult wouldn't have it so, so they blind your eyes.
There is nothing like mother church! Do just make empty assertions back it up from the bible.

the writers of the bible wrote as the holy spirit moved them. The holy spirit had a mission and that is to create the bible. There was no command to write the scripture need did solomon or David receive a command to write. Why would Jesus do that? It is the job of the holy Spirit.

the scripture predates the church, the scripture has always been the sole means of determining truth. Jesus upheld so, the apostles also. So who is roman catholic church to want to override it.
Those books you claimed were inspired why didn't Jesus or the apostles mention it.
When compared with the ones Jesus read was it in agreement? The prophecy in those books does it relates to Jesus? Jesus said all scripture bear witness of him? These and many more would determine if it was inspired or not otherwise it is an apocryphal.

9inches:
All of these people, given the title as “prophet” or “prophetess” in the Bible were no doubt-inspired by God, but their material was not canonized. Not that there's something wrong with their message. No. It's because the Councils of Hippo and Carthage weighted the already existing books and letters believed to have been divinely inspired, against a strict set of criteria.

brocab:
I will give you the best source to focus yourself on, it's called the bible, maybe you should be focusing more about Christ who can save you, then traditions that can't save you.

brocab:
Telling your truth, is not always the best move-personally Martin Luther done nothing to you, the story of Martin Luther came directly from Catholic Tradition, 'books, but still he is a brother in Christ-If tradition told me to judge your mother by a book cover, would it be an insult to believe everything I was told by it, or would I end up being a gossip and busybody causing fiction about your mother among the Christians.
Baby Christians are people who never seem to move on, because they stay focus on the gossip, "Think" is it better to forgive then forget-and move on to our next chapter in life: Martin Luther is old news! How many old past Popes' priest that committed crimes against humanity, how about sexual crimes, and still the Catholic Church keeps them under guard in coffins laying in the Vatican under lock and key, and still they are classed as saints.
I didn't come on this forum to argue from other sites-I came here to witness-if you have a problem with that, and you prefer me to leave, well my answer, is, like this: If you don't like it, move on, and find somewhat truth elsewhere" I came here to write the truth, everything I write in scripture is bible truth, it's either you accept it, or just get a life elsewhere, and allow someone else to come along and find it in their hearts to study bible truth..
Always remember we aren't all the same, and you will come up against bible believers, such as I, traditions were made to keep the Church stable, every Church have rules and regulations, traditions is what Paul taught to the Church-And because you actually believe I don't know Christ, because I don't follow your traditions; "Think" before casting the first stone-to be truthful, your messages are damaging no-one is into religious tradition, tradition can not save us, like you believe, "There's only one savour and that's Christ..

brocab:
Then why all the insults about Martin Luther-by you, if you believe the Catholic Church haven't a hate book, then you must have a hate book written on your heart..

The only good luck I receive about this matter is, that most Catholic's believe bowing down to statues, helps them to believe the spirits in those statue's are watching over them-most believe as long as they have a statue of a saint. a baby Jesus or Mother Mary or a crucifix cross, it's spirit is looking after them.
Do you even believe in the spirit realm-demons come and go-through open doors, and what a prefect way-is through statues-Satan come in as the spirit of light..
3 children of Patmos, told their story of Mary standing above them-telling a story such as this, they mentioned the 3 would have long lives, 2 died earlier then they predicted fell short-one finished her days inside the Catholic Church, she became a saint after she died according to the Catholic tradition-this story would feed a family for as long as it takes, One child seen a light, the other heard a voice, and the other saw nothing, this was the great deception, this story took the believers by surprise, witnesses claim, they saw something-either a bright light or coloured lights spinning around them, this was a UFO sighting, which again the Catholic Church had taken all the credit for it, to raise more money.

brocab:
So the sites you have given me, are not real sites..
And my search is a waste of time-and of course I didn't learn anything positive, because the universal Church is divided-the fingers don't connect to the hand, and the hand is not connected to the forearm.
This must be the many reasons why the Catholic Church is calling for Martin Lutherings to return, because the universal Church is divided against each other.
As I read through these sites you have given me, these same sites you are now rejecting, is full of story telling people confused, having built their life foundation on tradition, rather then built their house on the rock. {Which is the Word of God}
And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.
It seems the Catholic Church is loosing it's flavor-the Church that continual's to separated inside the house of God is a Church without a backbone, it's a house divided against each other, it's a house without solid ground, it's a house that's built in the flesh, without the Spirit..

bloodofthelamb:
Bro we are following their logic. Now, they are crying and lamenting. Peaceoflove and removeturban come and show me where angels are called sons of God and, also show me where Jesus is called an angel.

brocab:
No the stuff you have given me to search is boring, I didn't learn anything positive, and I found none of it lines up with the Word of God, it's more focus on story telling-just theories, I found the hand doesn't know what the fingers are doing, I found the Catholic Church claims to be universal, universal could mean everybody in one Church combined.
But the problem with my search is, I found that the universal Church had separated themselves from other individuals in the same Church.
Most Catholic's believe bowing down to statues, helps them to believe the spirit in those statue's are watching over them-most believe as long as they have a statue of a saint or baby Jesus or Mary or a crucifix cross, God's is looking after them.
While others say they don't bow down nor kiss the feet of these stone images, like others do.
I then read, most Catholic's don't even know the bible, let alone reading it, most say the bible is not convincing enough, most Catholic's go to Church because of a family tradition, or others wait until Easter, Christmas or special holiday's each year.
Most believe as long as they believe they had a good life-and they asked a priest to forgive their sins, they have a ticket into Heaven.
Many claim they were saved through infant baptism, many say they were saved by a savour, but others haven't the slightest idea who saved them, many say" my savour-but never say the savour.
So as I read through these sites you have given me, I find this-who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. {Which is the Word of God}
And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.
It seems the Catholic Church is loosing it's flavor-the Church that continual's to separated inside the house of God is a Church without a backbone without a leg to stand on, is a house without a solid foundation a house that's built on sand:

brocab:
I am happy we are both learning! And I am happy for you, Just sometimes you do make sense-most times you don't-but this is part of learning, I have never heard anybody such as yourself so focus on Martin Luther, is their a hate book written in the Catholic Church somewhere? Is my name written in it too?

brocab:
We know you stay with us, because you are finely learning the truth. Stick around, because the truth will set you free, Christ had led you here for a purpose, don't fight it, enjoy it, everyone learns, and everyone benefits.

brocab:
It's killing you! Because you know what you preach doesn't exist..

solite3:
read very well I didn't ask u what is the church but WHO are the church?

The bible is not just a means but it is the inspiration of God. You cant compare the direct source from here say.

Catholism is a cult, the reason ur church cannot stand the bible alone is because it exposes it. All psedochristian organization has this same this attribute.

@ church scriptures didn't come from the church. With or without people we would still have the scriptures.
The Jews gave you the old testament which Jesus and the apostles used doesn't mean whatever they do or say is correct .
The bible is self evident that any book not part of it would be exposed.

It wasn't men that gave me the scriptures but God. God's invisible hands protected and preserves it.

your members are ignorant of scriptural truth including you. If they knew they would quit roman catholism and seek God. Of course ur cult wouldn't have it so, so they blind your eyes.
There is nothing like mother church! Do just make empty assertions back it up from the bible.

the writers of the bible wrote as the holy spirit moved them. The holy spirit had a mission and that is to create the bible. There was no command to write the scripture need did solomon or David receive a command to write. Why would Jesus do that? It is the job of the holy Spirit.

the scripture predates the church, the scripture has always been the sole means of determining truth. Jesus upheld so, the apostles also. So who is roman catholic church to want to override it.
Those books you claimed were inspired why didn't Jesus or the apostles mention it.
When compared with the ones Jesus read was it in agreement? The prophecy in those books does it relates to Jesus? Jesus said all scripture bear witness of him? These and many more would determine if it was inspired or not otherwise it is an apocryphal.

9inches:
All of these people, given the title as “prophet” or “prophetess” in the Bible were no doubt-inspired by God, but their material was not canonized. Not that there's something wrong with their message. No. It's because the Councils of Hippo and Carthage weighted the already existing books and letters believed to have been divinely inspired, against a strict set of criteria.

solite3:
Paul didn't receive authorisation from men for his ministry, he was specifically called by the holy ghost. The church can choose but that of God superceeds it. Laying of hands was used to impart gift needed for services the authorisation comes from God.
So tell me who lay hands on peter? John or the apostles?

brocab:
Since you believe you are the master bible reader-then you should answer questions with ease.
{John 19:26-27} When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.…
Now we know Jesus was talking to John, and as you believe you are the master bible reader-then you should be able to answer-where in scripture does it say, behold John bow down to your Mother, and Mother stand as Queen above John?
Second question master reader, where in scripture did Jesus command Peter, Paul the apostles with her children to bow down before Mary while she lived?
We already know what your answer is; the apostles taught this through tradition before the bible was written..

brocab:
A young lady beating me up-that young lady is beating you up-My learning time is interesting, Lucifer sits in the Vatican, while Pope Francis sits on his left, listen I know, its killing you, to hear the truth, but don't worry there's more..

OLAADEGBU:
Did you read the excerpt you quoted at all? This is a sentence in what you selectively quoted from the suggested link: "The ultimate basis of that truth is Christ, not the proclamations or infallibility of members of that body."

Did you see who the author said was the ultimate basis of the truth?

OLAADEGBU:
Apostolic succession is unbiblical. It is nowhere found in the Scriptures. You can find out what it means in the suggested link below:

https://www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.html

Answer: The doctrine of apostolic succession is the belief that the 12 apostles passed on their authority to successors, who then passed the apostolic authority on to their successors, continuing throughout the centuries, even unto today.

- However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.”
- Even if apostolic succession could be demonstrated from Scripture, which it cannot...
- Nowhere in the New Testament are any of the twelve apostles recorded as passing on their apostolic authority to successors. Nowhere do any of the apostles predict that they will pass on their apostolic authority.
- Jesus ordained the apostles to build the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20). What is the foundation of the church that the apostles built? The New Testament – the record of the deeds and teachings of the apostles.
- The church does not need apostolic successors. The church needs the teachings of the apostles accurately recorded and preserved.

OLAADEGBU:
Check the suggested link below for a better understanding of that phrase:

https://www.gotquestions.org/church-pillar-foundation-truth.html

So, in 1 Timothy 3:15 Paul is not referring to “the church” as the source of truth or the creator of truth. He’s saying “the church” is what holds up and holds firm the truth in the world. Again, this interpretation fits with Paul’s warnings not to be swayed by carnal philosophies (Colossians 2:, false teachers (2 Timothy 4:3), or any person who changes the gospel (Galatians 1:. Rather than fall prey to false doctrine, we’re to compare teachers to the Word of God (Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 4:6; 2 Timothy 3:16; Romans 15:4).

“The church,” that is, the entire population of Christian believers, bears the earthly responsibility of holding up the truth of the gospel. The ultimate basis of that truth is Christ, not the proclamations or infallibility of members of that body. Paul is calling on believers to care for the structure that “supports” or “props up” our message to the world. First Timothy 3:15 cannot be taken to mean that the church itself is the source or standard for truth.