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brocab:
You did say only those who know the apostles, then that leaves you out-you can't even accept the Holy Spirit, let alone personality knowing the apostles.
{1 Thessalonians 5:21-22} Paul said: Do not treat prophecies with contempt, but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.…
{2 Thessalonians 2:15} So then, brothers (and sisters), stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” Paul urges the Thessalonians to “not be easily shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter…” They were not to be deceived by anyone or any false word or practice {vs. 3} They were being disturbed by reports that the Lord had come {vs. 1} The Thessalonians had become Christians through the preaching of the Apostle Paul {Acts 17:1–9}
The church at Thessalonica comprised Jews and Gentiles, They then imitated Paul and the Lord {1 Thessalonians 1:6, 2:14}
The Gospel had come to them in power and by the Holy Spirit with full conviction {1 Thessalonians 1:5}
They not only had received God’s Word with joy, but also were spreading the Gospel themselves, and they had gained a reputation for their evangelizing {1 Thessalonians 1:8}
So they received what Paul told them and then spread it everywhere they went. The power of the Word rests in the power of a transformed life. The Gospel saves and delivers. Paul tells the Thessalonians that when they received the Gospel from Paul and his companions, they actually received the Word not as from men but as the Word of God {1 Thessalonians 2:13}
Paul’s traditions then would have to do with what he passed on to them, either as something directly from the Old Testament or something that he said or wrote. Think of the offices of elders and deacons in the early church. They are grounded in the Old Testament practices and teaching, yet in the New Testament, are completely new.
In the Old Testament, the prophets and scribes taught and the priests ministered or served. In the church, the elders teach and the deacons serve.
So really the Catholic Church is based on Church tradition, these are not because they are any use for anybody outside the Church-just traditions you have been taught-from childhood-It's just like today the Christian Church is being inundated by new ideas, new traditions, Paul preached tradition to keep the Church in order. Nothing more then that. But Catholic's believe traditions of works brings them closer to God..

Check the meaning of Apostolic Succession. If Paul and other apostles taught the Thessalonians, how would you compare yourself to the Thessalonians in terms of understanding what Paul taught? Even with a PhD in biblical studies there is no way you can understand have a clearer understanding of what is in the scripture.

You are conflating 2 Thess 2:15 with 2 Thess 2:2. Another evidence of you making mockery of the Word of God.

brocab:
So really the Catholic Church is based on Church tradition, these are not because they are any use for anybody outside the Church-just traditions you have been taught-from childhood-It's just like today the Christian Church is being inundated by new ideas, new traditions, Paul preached tradition to keep the Church in order. Nothing more then that. But Catholic's believe traditions of works brings them closer to God..

If you want to know about the Catholic church, go to Catholic source. Even if you use straw man argument to make up what you think the Church is, you are only demolishing your own straw man. You lose the argument because you are not arguing what the other person is saying; you are only making up the other person's argument by yourself and then countering it by yourself. It's not helping you.

brocab:
Nor did all the Popes that died in the past-they wouldn't be any used to you, even if you do pray to them.
Your tradition said: you pray to all the saints, by this site Martin Luther is a saint..
NEWSCATHOLIC CHURCH, FAITHThu Jan 5, 2017 - 7:31 pm EST
Vatican: Catholics now recognize Martin Luther as a ‘witness to the gospel’ Intercommunion , Lutheran , Martin Luther , Pope Francis , Walter Kasper
ROME, January 5, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – A newly released document co-authored by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and the World Council of Churches promotes the upcoming January 18-25 ‘Week of Prayer for Christian Unity’ with the theme ‘Reconciliation: The love of Christ compels us.’

Encouraging commemorations in all dioceses of the world, the document notes the theme is drawn from the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. In 2017, it says, “Lutheran and Catholic Christians will for the first time commemorate together the beginning of the Reformation.” The text also states that “Catholics are now able to hear Luther’s challenge for the Church of today, recognizing him as a ‘witness to the gospel.’” Nevertheless, the Vatican is pushing the joint celebration of the Reformation focusing on the common element of “Jesus Christ and his work of reconciliation as the center of Christian faith.”

The theme of the week of Christian unity has Vatican watchers wondering if the Pope may announce that in certain limited cases intercommunion for Protestants might be possible. The Pope suggested such previously in an informal talk at a Lutheran parish in Rome where in November 2015 he told a Lutheran woman asking about receiving Communion with her Catholic husband to “go forward” guided by individual conscience.

That suspicion was given momentum last month when Cardinal Walter Kasper, one of the Pope’s closest advisors, said he hoped that the Pope’s “next declaration opens the way for shared Eucharistic communion in special cases.”

Eucharistic intercommunion is the main desire for Lutheran and Catholic leaders involved in the Papal participation in the Lutheran commemoration. Swedish Professor Dr. Clemens Cavallin in an essay on “Sweden and the 500-year reformation anamnesis” notes that the Church of Sweden webpage states explicitly about the pope’s visit: “What we foremost wish is that the common celebration of the Eucharist will be officially possible. This is especially important for families where members belong to different denominations.”

The severity of the change, if implemented, was stressed by Monsignor Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion, it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium,” leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” Bux told Ed Pentin of the National Catholic Register.

Regarding the Eucharist, Lutherans have a fundamentally different faith from Catholics, who believe that during the consecration at Mass the bread used becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ while still looking like bread. Lutherans believe in a fleeting presence – that while Christ is present in the bread during the service, it is just normal bread again outside the service.

The approach of Pope Francis to a joint commemoration of the Reformation is partially based on a “naïve” understanding of the theological dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics, according to former Anglican, now Catholic priest Fr. Dwight Longenecker. Fr. Longenecker points to this statement of Pope Francis about Martin Luther as problematic: “Today, Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err.”

Pope Francis draws his enthusiasm for this agreement on a Joint Declaration between Catholics and Lutherans on the Doctrine of Justification. However, Fr. Longenecker points out that the Vatican issued a detailed official clarification document wherein Pope Benedict (while still serving as Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith) pointed out that there was not a consensus between Catholics and Lutherans on the understanding of justification. “The level of agreement is high, but it does not yet allow us to affirm that all the differences separating Catholics and Lutherans in the doctrine concerning justification are simply a question of emphasis or language,” said the document. “Some of these differences concern aspects of substance and are therefore not all mutually compatible.”

Saints are human beings who lived holy lives in obedience to God’s will and are now in heaven, the destination that we saints on earth are in hope striving to reach.

The Lutherans of today are guilty of the heresy of Luther, just as the Jews of today are not guilty of killing Jesus. What the Church is essentially saying is that we have to treat the Lutherans of today very different than we did Martin Luther and those who broke away with him. And to try to reconcile and have ecumenical discussions and so on. But of course Luther was a heretic priest who did damage to the church. He was a Formal Heretic while a Lutheran of today is a Material Heretic.

Do you know what Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means? Explain what you understand by that term.

brocab:
Knowing the scriptures, and knowing the Catholic Church tradition, is completely two different meanings, I don't know your tradition, and learning about Church traditions isn't the same as learning the scriptures.
I could be an elder following the traditions in a Church-but that doesn't mean I am more favourable to God, then someone who just sits in Church doing nothing.
God's word is very clear in telling us that all men are created equal and every single person can be a child of God, receiving the full inheritance of heaven. We can look toward the Bible to learn how to love and serve everyone no matter what their age, color, or ethnicity, gender or nationality. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So 9 inches the bible is simple, and it doesn't take rocket science to work it out, but trying to make yourself all high and mighty, over me, because I don't follow your Church traditions-it doesn't mean I am not obeying the Word of God I preach..

Only those who know the apostles, hear directly from them can teach the traditions which Paul encouraged even the Thessalonians to hold on to. He DID NOT say they should hold on to Scriptures only. To hold on to scripture only is unbliblical. That's not what Paul taught.

brocab:
You maybe right I don't have Church knowledge-but I am not searching for Church knowledge, either-the sites you have given me, are say so's, give me the sites, that backs your beliefs up-proving it lines up with the bible?
Everyone already knows what the Catholic's teach Church tradition, the JW's have Church tradition, they also try to use it against those outside their Church-the Mormons, Islam, and the list keeps on going?
I am not interested in Church tradition-I don't care who taught it-but if it don't line up with the Word of God-it means nothing to me dealing with any Church-my focus is based on Christ.

Catholics believe in this verse: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15)." Unfortunately, Martin Luther have brainwashed you guys to not believe in all the scripture. Protestants are masters of cherry-picking the Word of God instead of believing all of it.

brocab:
What can Martin Luther do for you? "Nothing" He had already died..

Even if he's still alive, he wouldn't be of any use to me.

brocab:
But I have enough knowledge to know Christ sent us a helper the Holy Spirit to teach us all things..
You had learned your literature from men who teach tradition..
Getting yourself all worked up again, won't make any difference to me-I believe, and that is all I need to know..

No you don't have any knowledge at all. Without the Church, there's no way we can have a lasting, personal relationship with the true Jesus Christ. The original Greek word for the Church is ekklesia, which means a gathering of those who are "called out" of the darkness of the world by God for a new life in Jesus Christ. The whole reason for Jesus' incarnation was to bring salvation to all humanity, not just his contemporaries.
So He had to form a community of believers that would preserve his mission and continue it for all the generations to come. This is why He founded the family of faith we call the Church. He then made sure that his Church would become God's people forever, by sending the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Now, do you understand why there are over 33,000 denominations of christians disagreeing on many issues whilst still claiming the Holy Spirit teaches/inspires them?

OLAADEGBU:
Apostle John was the last apostle who God used to pen down the Scriptures and that ended the Canon. Any other apostle(s) claiming to have continued to pen down God breathed words is another christ, false apostle or a false prophet.

As for the answer to point number 3, sit back and read the truth as depicted in the 'cartoons' posted

You are using deflecting tactics.

First answer is a straw man, obviously. The question was a simple one, define apostolic succession. The second question on how you got the bible without apostolic succession; the author of the canonized scriptures is not being argued at all; another straw man you created there.

Lastly, number 3 is a Yes or No question.

Do you want to answer my questions directly or not?

brocab:
I have read through these sites of yours, and none of them lined up to the Word of God-so of course I lost interest-I asked you to lead me to sites that backs up God-and you didn't-instead I went on a wild goose chase..
I will not pray to Mary-nor to dead saints, when it was Christ who have given me access straight to the throne room of God-nothing you say will turn me away from the Word of God.
A Catholic casting out demons-God compels you-the angels compels you, the saints compels you, Mary compels you, Jesus compels you..

It's not a novel that you have to find interesting. Read and find the contradictions with bible and argue it here. But your problem is even bigger than that - you have little or no knowledge of the bible.

brocab:
Stop being nasty and prove your facts?

Here's proof you're willfully ignorant.

brocab:
Maybe my page sounds silly, but to someone outside the Catholic Church they would understand which direction I am coming from.
If Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of Heaven lines up with the scriptures, then I must be looking elsewhere with my eye's closed.

Are you willing to cure your ignorance now and read from Catholic sources what the Church teaches exactly, or do you still chose to look elsewhere with your eyes closed?

brocab:
Well I couldn't really prove my fruit to you in person-and we don't know each other in genial, "by their fruit we will know them, Plus I find you funny right now-you read what the Holy Spirit can do, but you have refused Him working through you..
You say the Holy Spirit don't bring confusion, "Fleshly Men brings confusion-the flesh wars against the Spirit-visa versa.
We are having this same problem now-your flesh brings confusion against the Spirit, and the truth can't be revealed in you..

@bolded, example, Martin Luther.

brocab:
Maybe my page sounds silly, but to someone outside the Catholic Church they would understand which direction I am coming from.
If Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of Heaven lines up with the scriptures, then I must be looking elsewhere with my eye's closed.
You have never proven your allegations, and I can't find these allegations anywhere in the bible? I suppose, this is one of my main reasons, "Why" I don't have a place in the Catholic Church I can call home, everything I have read about this Church-nothing about this Church lines up with His Word.
This is one of the many problems with denominations, they have taken verses out of contexts-and they refuse to rightfully accept the Word of God, "All claim they belong to Christ-Christ saved them-and no-one is saved unless they belong to their Church.

@bolded, you see why I use the word "willful ignorance" for your case. You willfully chose to keep demonstrating ignorance of the Church's position. I'm deliberately quoting your replies because I refer people to come and read them to see how protestants like you argue ignorantly against the scripture and Christ's message.

OLAADEGBU:
It's either you believe in the Apostolic succession or you believe in the Bible. You cannot find apostolic succession in the Bible.

1. What do you understand by Apostolic succession and how does it contradict the bible?

2. Explain to me how you could have gotten the bible without the Apostolic succession.

3. Do you believe in the Church as the pillar and foundation of truth?

brocab:
So what you are saying, I have been against your Church from the beginning-I haven't once wanted to claim the Catholic Church to be my home.
I don't find the Catholic Church, to be anything other then a place of pagan worship, Hail Mary Mother of God-is a lie-I wouldn't dare to pray to another, other then Christ Himself. And I wouldn't dare to leave God: He saved me, and the Catholic Church has no place in my heart-to claim I even belong to them.
Now you are accusing me for attacking the People belonging to Christ! No I am against the authority of Churches that preaches false doctrines, Churches that are leading people away from Christ-teaching them tradition rather then teaching them the truth.
You say Martin Luther-I say the Catholic Church-had broken all the rules-teaching the doctrines of men-rather then preaching the truth about Christ.
Praying through false god's-traditions of mass, praying through the rosaries Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven, purgatory or indulgence, to pay the price from hell-the forgiveness from a priest, bowing down and kissing the feet of statues, and claiming this is all done in the name of the apostles of Christ.. Hmmmmm...

Your attack on Christ and His apostles did not stop there, you are also attacking the mother of God out of ignorance. I showed you how to search Catholic sites to know what the Church teaches, but because the devil tries to obstruct you from seeing the light. You're reveling in willful ignorance.

brocab:
Hmmm and you believe you have more knowledge-learning in bible schools, without having the Holy Spirit teaching you?
And this is why you pray to the dead saints-Hail Mary Mother of God. Is the bible wrong?

I doubt you have the Holy Spirit as you protestants all claim, because the Holy Spirit does not cause confusion which you have in over 33,000 denominations today. Anyone is free to read the bible but the Church is the only authority to perfectly interpret it if there's any confusion. Is the word "trinity" in the bible? Why do you use such word that is unbiblical?

brocab:
I will repeat myself: Hail Mother of God, bless thee, thy servant, pray for thee thy Husband God, and thank thee Jesus, I bow my knees-down to thee Mary Mother of God, Queen of heaven.
Martin Luther had good reasons to turn away from these traditions, the Catholic Church had laid heavy burdens upon their Church.
And now you expect me, to accept these heavy burdens to bow down too-Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven-through the Rosaries-praying upon dead saints to pray to God for thee-and giving money for my indulgence, and purgatory, so my soul can be brought for a price.
The above I can do without-Jesus made away for us to go straight into the throne room of God, God is not the God of the dead, He is the God of the living, for all live to Him.” {Luke 20:38}

You sound silly. "Thee" = "you". You obviously do not know the scripture, if you did you would have realized everything the Catholic Church does is in line with the scripture.

OLAADEGBU:
I don't. I believe the Holy Bible.

I believe in both the Apostolic succession and the holy bible.

Do you believe in the Church as the pillar and foundation of truth?

brocab:
Hail Mother of God, bless thee, thy servant, pray for me to thy Husband God, and thank thee Jesus, I bow down to thee Mary Mother of God, Queen of heaven.
Martin Luther turned away from these traditions from the Catholic Church. And now you expect me, bowing down to statues-praying Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven-praying through the Rosaries-asking the dead saints to pray to God for thee-and giving money for my indulgence, and purgatory, so my soul can be brought for a price.
Now you expect me to return to the Catholic Church-to become a pagan-when none of this is scriptural..Plus we can go straight to the throne room ourselves, For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. {Luke 20:38}

Deflection! You are not implying that the guaranteed presence of God in Christ's Church till the end of time is false, are you? Any attack on the Church is attack on the Apostles and Jesus Himself.

brocab:
I am already one to be part of the body of Christ-and I have already receive the Holy Spirit, but I am not part of a denomination 'the Catholic Church-and if you believe witnessing to you using scriptures to just prove I am a Christian, you are barking up the wrong tree.
If it wasn't for God in my life, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you in the first place, 'Because it doesn't make sense trying to learn something without a purpose, just like you have done just by works.

"To be" part of the Body of Christ... hmm. When you can hardly understand any verse of the Scriptue

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe in Apostolic succession?

I do. Do you?

brocab:
9 inches-ignoring "what truth, you expect me to walk down that same old road with you, but I won't, so it isn't worth getting yourself all worked up over it, if you are trying to corner me into a corner, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Believing in God is like looking at a manual-fixing a problem, accepting God is believing everything what the manual tells us, some people like to fix things a easy way-which isn't always the best way-some prefer to find other ways, listen from a friend or somebody-without looking at the manual, we are receiving half truths, how to fix the main issue.
The point I am making, it's best to read the manual-by doing so, if the Word of God-tells you-your Church belongs to Christ, then prove these facts-through the manual-so I myself will know also, "Trying to receive your facts from verbal tradition, from a friend or Priest without looking at the Manual-is like trying to tell God he doesn't know how to do His Job.
What you were taught verbally-doesn't mean there's facts-Christians know, everything lines up with the Word of God-I could tell you Jesus is standing over there-but if the bible said: otherwise, then which one of us is speaking the truth?

I only want you to become part of the Body of Christ so that you will be a beneficiary of the gifts of His Holy Spirit. And stop thinking that throwing around bible quotes without context makes you a Christian. Use your brain. Ignorance is bliss!

OLAADEGBU:
You said "Go to the Church" and I say: "What Church?"

Here. How could you miss it?

9inches:
the Church that stands firm and holds fast to the teachings the Apostles passed on to her, whether by word of mouth or by Scripture (2 Thess 2:15).

brocab:
You don't know Christ-and why do I keep on saying this, is because you don't preach His gospel-I preach His gospel, and you keep on refusing it.

You're preaching the gospel of Martin Luther since you believe his doctrine of Scripture alone with no apostolic tradition. You are practicing the tradition of men.

brocab:
I had asked you earlier to renounce which Church, and still you have refused to answer it. What's the name of the Church?

You can figure the name out yourself.

brocab:
Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them-I have read your fruit, and you don't know God-you don't understand the Spirit of God..

You're deflecting with your quote. You're ignoring the truth in your face. Jesus instituted one Church only. If you don't belong and chose to remain outside His church, it means you refused to be part of the body of Christ.

brocab:
You don't know the answer, because you haven't got Christ in you.

Story! You are attempting to claim Christ but you don't know Him. Keep on spewing heresy. Even Martin Luther did not spout the rubbish you have spouted here so far in attempt to keep your man-made sola scriptura doctrine alive.

brocab:
It's good you now see the truth. And realise, its not about the Catholic Church, its about the body of believers, these are the bride of Christ.

Wrong! The body of believers = the Church = the bride of Christ.

The Lord does see the heart, but He also knows His own, and His own knows Him, you don't know Him, because you don't follow Him.
You focus on tradition Church knowledge only, but you don't focus on Christ, you haven't received the Spirit to know "He teaches us through the Word of God, most people can read-but without the Spirit of God teaching us His Word, then the bible is just a book.
But I assure you, the bible is quite Spiritual, and when the Spirit of the Lord shows you the Word of God in Spirit and in truth, the Word of God is already at Work in You! "By their fruit, we will know them, "Already I know you, and the Word of God does not flow out from your mouth.
What does Paul say In {Ephesians 6:17–18} “Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit.”
{1 Corinthians 2:10} But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

There's no way for you to determine who knows God and who does not since you've been spewing heresy after heresy on here. You won't stop massacring the Scripture.

Christ promised His Holy Spirit to His Church, and to remain with them till the end of time. It's a solid promise, guaranteed, signed and sealed! If you're not among the body of believers,His Church... I'm sorry for you.

Then why does God say this:{2 Timothy 3:16–17} All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Jesus said: one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God, in your case, you had been born into the Catholic Church, baptised as an infant, taught the traditions of men, and never ever coming into the knowledge of the truth, and for anybody who had returned back to the Catholic Church-worshipping that same spirit-praying to Mary and the saints to save them, then these men and women were never with Christ in the first place.

@bolded, those are exactly what I'm doing here - teaching, reproofing, correcting and trying to train you but you chose to be willfully ignorant. You are hearkening your heart to the Word of God, the traditions of the Apostles and the early Christians, instead you chose to believe in Martin Luther's tradition of mutilating the Word of God in a rebellious manner.

brocab:
So what's the name of the Home Church you are preferring too?

The One Church others separated from. You can figure that out.

OLAADEGBU:
You lied! The Holy Bible has all the answers.

Can you point out the lie in the sentence or from the verse I mentioned?

OLAADEGBU:
Where do we go to find the real truth?

Go to the Church; the Church that stands firm and holds fast to the teachings the Apostles passed on to her, whether by word of mouth or by Scripture (2 Thess 2:15).

brocab:
This is a change from you, have you run out of things to say? It's been like this all along with you, The Catholic Church is more to you, then it does with Christ!
It isn't worth getting yourself all worked up about it, and playing the blame game "accept it finely you have agreed with the Word of God, praise the Lord. Liz..

It's good you now found out the church is not what you alluded it is. Your conscience is judging you right now for committing heresy, isn't it? You want to blame me for calling you out, go ahead but it's for your own good I did that, so that you cast such thinking from your mind. The Lord sees the heart. He knows exactly what you believe even if you are saying verbally a different thing for the sake of argument. It's better you convey what is in your mind so that it could be corrected if it's the wrong thing. As they say, Sunshine is the best disinfectant. So lay it all out, ask ask sincere questions, stand corrected, learn and grow in knowledge. Don't let willful ignorance block your way to the objective TRUTH.

If it takes only the Spirit in you to read and understand the bible, why are there bible schools? If Christianity is 'easy' to understand, why do people study theology? Use your God-given brain and think!

brocab:
Lizzie {9 inches} you aren't any different to Steve Ray-we can go with this all day long, but if you knew Christ-like Steve Ray believed he did, he would have realised we belong to God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error..
Truthfully speaking-since I had become a believer in Christ-I believe His every Word-everything about Christ rest upon my heart, soul and mind.
We can debate until the sun go's down-many have come and gone-trying, but the only problem with that, is, the Spirit who is in me, is greater then he who is in the world. {1 John 4:4}

Over 33,000 denominations of Christianity make same claim as you. When as many churches as 33,000 differ in their interpretation of the Word of God, it can only come down to 2 things:

Either
1. ONE of them is correct and the rest is wrong, or

2. NONE of them is correct.

Open your eyes and most importantly your mind and see what people like Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Lizzie Reezay and many others have realized in their quest to discover the absolute TRUTH. You can see from their demeanor how happy and relaxed and peaceful they feel being back HOME after living in separation from the Body of Christ. It always feels good being home. Nothing like home.

brocab:
Not exactly a fig of my imagination.
By your own imagination you have laid the Mother Catholic Church at my feet claiming-Jesus had began her through Peter! "And through this ordeal you have quoted from the beginning she/her Church made of brick and mortar, is the body of the Church.
This was the first time you had actually mentioned the bride of Christ, are actually people...
But let me say: praise the Lord forevermore-I pray-someday, I wrote someday, you will at least try to understand where the Spirit reins in us all who have chosen to believe.
{Romans 8:9} The Spirit Lives in You.
{1 Corinthians 6:19} What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
So where is the Church of Christ-that's right He reins in each of us, "which means the Catholic Church is not the beginning Church.. "All authority was given to Christ-not Peter..
Sadly many people are taught the church is a building. This is not a biblical understanding of the church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people.
It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building.
{Romans 16:5} says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

The church is the mystical body of Christ. If you think or call Christ's body brick and mortar, that's your own cup of tea. Your mention of it clearly shows that's what is in your mind and you have yourself to blame for heresy.