solite3: Afraid of answering your questions? You are funny. Your question is nonsensical. You can't compare God's words with human diary. You think the bible is a text book.
You are creating a straw man argument. And yes you are afraid to answer the question, so you easily find a way dismiss it. The question is: If I gave you my sister's diary which she had written "I make sure I eat 3 square meals a day". And later on, I told you orally that my sister eats 5 times a day, is there any contradiction in both accounts?
solite3: @ bold so says an heretic. The new testament is not scripture?
It is heretic to suggest Paul was speaking into the future when he had no idea the New Testament would be included in the Scripture. He was definitely talking about the already existing Scripture. I don't know where you are receiving this skewed knowledge of the bible. I can bet you won't find any article or commentary anywhere that disputes the fact that Paul was not talking about the New Testament. I challenge you to find one.
solite3: you are not just an ignorant heretic but also proud in it. If timothy was already perfect there would be no need for him to be taught by Paul. Don't just reply think deeply. Timothy would still be alive to witness the complete new testament.
You're being willfully ignorant. There's no commentary you can cite to support your point. Because you are misinterpreting the Scripture.
solite3: so scripture means old testament. Do you know what testament mean? Ignorance. Why the scriptures itself defines what it mean.
My comment said "The scripture as mentioned means the Old Testament."
solite3: so the teachings that was passed down by writing is different from the one the apostle taught?
If they are all same, Paul would not have asked them to hold on to both. The fact that he said "by Word" and "by letter" clearly shows how none of the two versions should be discarded. Yet, Pentecostals picked the letter version and discarded the worded version. Keep reading 2 Thessalonians 2:15 until your eyes are cleared.
solite3: you have learnt nothing but dogmatic lies. What ate the other so called books of the bible. What are they called? Why is it called that name? Why is it hidden? Has it been able to stand repeated and rigorous scrutiny like the 66 books of the bible?
Roman catholic church is one sure way among others to hell.
Martin Luther makes a pertinent observation in the sixteenth chapter of his Commentary on St. John "We are obliged to yield many things to the papists (Catholics), that they possess the Word of God which we received from them, otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it."
This is a myth that always comes up but is simple to answer. At the Council of Rome in 382, the Church decided upon a canon of 46 Old Testament books and 27 in the New Testament. This decision was ratified by the councils at Hippo (393), Carthage (397, 419), II Nicea (787), Florence (1442), and Trent (1546).
Further, if Catholics added the deuterocanonical books in 1546, then Martin Luther beat us to the punch: He included them in his first German translation, published the Council of Trent. They can also be found in the first King James Version (1611) and in the first Bible ever printed, the Guttenberg Bible (a century before Trent). In fact, these books were included in almost every Bible until the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society excised them in 1825. It is historically demonstrable that Catholics did not add the books, Protestants took them out.
brocab: {Mark 13:21-22} And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.… Look here is Christ, He is with Lizzie, Marcus Grodi on the video below, look Christ is in the Catholic Church, Look here, or look there.."Do you know, those who accept Christ as Lord and Savior are brothers and sisters in Christ. You must be standing far far away, because I can't seem to find you anywhere? You know we recognize that we are called by God to a fuller realization of our unity in the body of Christ. The only unity to which we would give expression is unity in the truth, and the truth is this: “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.” (Ephesians 4) Do you understand what was said above: one faith, one baptism, Catholic's practices another "9 inches" test yourself-do "you" preach the Word of God? "There are still some very important issues that separate Catholic teachings from Christian teachings, true biblical Christianity is not a religion in the sense that one “joins” it by becoming a member of an organization. Jesus simplified what it means to be a Christian when He told Nicodemus that one must be “born again” {John 3:3} And as we see, Catholic teaching has gone far away from strict adherence to the Bible, adding human ideas and “teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” {Mark 7:7} Lizzie and yourself are of the Pharisees of Jesus’ day had done the same thing with God’s Law, and it appears that Catholic tradition follows more closely in the footsteps of the Pharisees than those of the apostles. An interesting sight about your new profound video, while watching I see in the corner, a cross of the Knights Templar. {Freemasonry Masonic Illuminati} "Templars, were a Catholic military order recognised in 1139 by papal bull Omne Datum Optimum of the Holy See. I have asked this same old question before about people returning back to Catholicism-is there anybody out there you could show-who is not rich and famous, someone who had been through the mill-with Church and had returned because he/she seen a vision, or a dream or something that could open up a new page? Because every time I asked-I receive so called religious celebrities, like Lizzie now Marcus Grodi who's running his own TV show-Marcus is founder of the Coming Home Network International. Freemason Converts to Catholicism, only because Freemason never left Catholicism..
I hope you are learning more about the Church of the Apostles? How many videos have you watched?
JUHABACH: nigga, no one said anything about collusion. the house intelligence committee investigation was a farce. witnesses consistently refused to answer questions and were never subpoenaed, none of trump's finances were subpoenaed (and given that his son publicly boasted about receiving money from the Russians, one would think that his finances would be one of the first points of call). heck none of the witnesses indicted by mueller were called forward to testify. and to add insult to injury, the committee concluded, against the u.s. and other allies intelligence apparatus, it's own republican members (specifically trey gowdy) and common sense that Russia wasn't trying to help Donald Trump win after it had been previously established by the Senate committe and even trump's justice dept that the exact opposite was true.
also the head of the committee is literally trump's house boy and was even a member of his transition team. to put it in Nigerian terms, that's like asking ameachi to investigate corruption allegations against buhari.
Trump does not hide the fact that he's done business with Russians. He has sold property to a Russian, that's not a secret. The whole investigation is bordered primarily on the allegation that Trump colluded with Russia to help him win election. That allegation so far has not been proven to be true. You think if they really found substantiated evidence of collusion, CNN would still be covering Stormy Daniels. Mueller's indictment of Manafort and co has nothing to do with collusion. It's either for financial crime or for lying.
Nunes is a Trump buddy but he cannot single-handedly investigate or write reports on investigations.
[quote author=LordReed post=65841909]You people and fake news, you are like 5&6.
I can certainly say with confidence that there is significant evidence of collusion between the campaign and Russia. Schiff said.
"What I cannot say – because I don't know what Bob Mueller knows – is whether that evidence rises to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt of conspiracy to violate U.S. election laws," Schiff said.
brocab: So your plans were to attack me, why use Lizzie, she did no harm to you, and plus who wants to listen to Lizzie, you are the one that started the conversation, "and still I am waiting for you to produce the Word of God, and still you have refused to do such? Why believe in God' when the Catholic Church is base on Theology & Science.
Do you still feel "attacked?" It seems what you are hearing from Lizzie is challenging what you thought you have known all along about Christianity. If you want my input, you should follow the format I showed you.
But if you don't to follow the format, enjoy more Truth!
solite3: you have no argument here. It is the book that determines the truth not what the man says.
This is not an argument, it's a question which you are afraid to answer. The question: do both accounts contradict each other?
solite3: You are obviously wrong! The holy scripture as used in that verse refers to the inspired writings through which God revealed his mind of which the old testament is part of. Paul said [b]All [/b]scripture and the old testament is not 'All Scriptures'. The Old testament was just the beginning, Jesus said the holy Spirit will lead into all truth meaning the old testament was not the whole truth. Which was done through the writings of the apostles.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. And the apostles were the last through whom the scripture was completed.
1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
Another protestant out-of-context interpretation of the bible. Paul definitely wasn't talking about subsequent Books like Revelation. (2 Tim 3:14-17) "But as for you, continue in the things you have learned and firmly believed, since you know from whom you learned them. 15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.
By your logic, Timothy who Paul was talking to would not be "complete and fully equipped for every good work," since over 8 Books including Revelation were yet to be written as at then. A random search for bible commentary would have put you out of your ignorance (See photo below)
solite3: except you don't know what scripture means. Yes the scripture is sufficient because it is perfect.
The scripture as mentioned means the Old Testament.
solite3: the bible is the highest authority in Christianity for doctrine, faith and other matters.
Of course. But you seem not to understand the bible. You haven't realized that Paul enjoined the Thessalonians to "stand firm and hold fast to the teachings" that were passed on to them, whether by letter (scripture) or by word of mouth (orally transmitted). See what you and your fellow protestants are missing?
solite3: instead of shouting prostantism, open your bible and confirm whatever you are been taught.
Everything I have studied and learned as a Catholic are 100 percent consistent with the bible. You will NEVER fully understand the bible in full context outside the Church that compiled the bible. Remember, if your bible contains only 66 books, it's an incomplete bible compiled in 1517.
brocab: If you were to attack me with Lizzie issues, then at least give us a sign from above? 'Lizzie is harmless, she's on you tube, just to be heard, she isn't there to lead a multitude, "And plus is anybody outside the square really listening to her You said: you were to teach me-but still I am waiting, my request was, as long as you are preaching the Word of God I am interested. You keep on giving me Catholic theology about sacred traditions, you haven't yet completed my request-I think I can workout the problem, you don't know the differences we have between both Catholic's and Christians? We know the Catholics view of the Bible as having equal authority with the Church and tradition. "And we know Christians view the Bible as the supreme authority for faith and practice. {2 Timothy 3:16-17} tells us, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Scripture is not “just the beginning,” or “just the basics,” or the “foundation for a more complete church tradition, Scripture is perfectly and fully sufficient for everything in the Christian life. Scripture can teach us, rebuke us, correct us, train us, and equip us. “Bible Christians” do not deny the value of church tradition. Rather, Christians uphold that for a church tradition to be valid, it must be based on the clear teaching of Scripture and must be in full agreement with Scripture. Catholics believe otherwise. The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation {John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9} The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. 9 Inches, I could write the differences we have between both parties all day long, but if you aren't willing to study the Word of God, then are you wasting your time? 9 Inches, you can accept this as some kind of a warning “or you can receive it as a blessing. Do you know {John 1:12} Through faith {Romans 5:1} God loves us and offers us salvation as a gift, {John 3:16} If you desire to have all your sins forgiven by Christ, and not a priest who thinks he has this authority, if you desire to have assurance of salvation, If you desire to believe in salvation, and if you desire to have direct access to God who loves you, then receive it, and it's yours.
Listen to more Lizzie. What makes you think it's an "attack?" The truth is dealing with you and making you feel attacked, right? It's time to put down your ignorance and learn about God from the original Christian source.
brocab: Haven't you felt you have been walking around in circles, you believe in a religion that not even you understand the hidden agenda's behind the scenes, try studying and learn why you don't see the things, you don't know. You see the truth, it's written-but you don't know it.. Do you realise you are walking on dangerous grounds-fear God, You believe their is a God, good, even the demons believe and tremble.
brocab: The truth is you are afraid what you will find, you ask me can I prove the claims-I did from a Catholic site.
It's time to wake up, I can find Catholic sites everywhere-the sites you have given me, holds no truth. Your Church holds hidden secrets, you are to blind to see behind the scenes.. Forget about those sites you have tried to lay upon me, they hold no truth, Catholic's do not practice such, if you are expecting me to believe the lies, then at least come up with some evidence, to prove the Catholic Church is not a cult.
How do you know what the sites teach? What did you read and from which site?
brocab: Easy, I will help you find a little info, but If you are really serious, then just let your fingers do the walking-everything about anything is planted somewhere..But if you are not serious, then you are wasting your time asking, but don't expect me to believe with you, because if you can't provide the Word of God to back up your Church theories, then you are wasting every bodies time, turning a blind eye to the real God, will only cause you grieve.. The Pope Claims to be God on Earth Author: Amazing Discoveries™ Publish date: Feb 24, 2009 Summary: Read proof that throughout the Roman Church's history, the Papacy has often claimed that the Pope is divine.
More Resources: Sarto's Homily Read Articles By Subject Reformation The Pope Claims to be God on Earth Share with others: Throughout the centuries of Rome's existence, the popes have regularly claimed to be divine. As the supposed successor of Peter, the Pope claims infallibility, the position of God on Earth, and ability to judge and excommunicate angels.
A letter from Cardinal Giuseppe Sarto (who became Pope Pius X in 1903) as quoted in Publications of the Catholic Truth Society Volume 29 (Catholic Truth Society: 1896): 11. A letter from Cardinal Giuseppe Sarto (who became Pope Pius X in 1903) as quoted... Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this:
The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself...i
This belief has so assimilated into society's thinking that it is believed by many beyond Catholic circles. According to TIME, Pope John Paul II's assassination attempt prompted a young Jewish man to say, "shooting the Pope—It's like shooting God."ii The statement above-"Pope Francis claims to be the Holy Father, and the vicar of Christ, Pope Francis does not deny the fact he is just a man, he expects his followers to bow down to him, he claims to be god, and you ask me, how do I know? The Papacy is not the only source of papal infallibility doctrine. Many Catholics and others use the titles of Christ to describe the Pope, as seen in the video below. This video is featured in the lecture That All May Be One by Professor Walter Veith. Purchase the DVD from the Amazing Discoveries™ webstore or view the lecture on Amazing Discoveries™ TV. We just need to listen to these people live, just to prove the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo7xFMNZTo The Doctrine of Papal Infallibility is UnBiblical It is clear that "the Popes have never reproved or rejected this title"xii of blasphemy and flattery, but the Bible does not support the belief of papal infallibility. It declares that "all of sinned and come short of the glory of God"(Roman 3:23). This includes the Pope. These boasts of the Papal State fulfill the Bible's prediction of what the Antichrist power would do: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws...(Daniel 7:25). And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (Revelation 13:5-6). But Jesus knows you, that you do not have the love of God within you. Jesus had come in His Father’s name, and you did not received Him; but if someone else comes in his own name, {The Pope} you will receive him. How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? {John 5:42-44}
Which point are you arguing? I already told you to follow the format I've shown you. You are not making any point with all your incoherent postings. Again, if you want to argue anything the Catholic Church teaches, use a simple format and post the teachings here from a Catholic source.
brocab: Have you run out of words to say-you can't speak up for yourself any longer-since Lizzie is you, try studying the prophesies,"Do you really believe pushing for a One World Religion will solve the problem around the globe, why are you and Lizzie pushing for the One world religion to reunite together? {Thessalonians 5:3} "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction come upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. Have you no fear in God. {2 Corinthians 6:14} The bible say's-Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? The Pope already claims he is the Holy Father on earth, the vicar of Christ, the Catholic Church have already claimed they have the power to change the written Word of God. So how does light and darkness join us together?
brocab: What is wrong with Lizzie's message? What is wrong with Lizzie's preaching, and what is wrong with the Catholic Church below, can anyone guess? If Lizzie was preaching about Christ-fair enough, but she doesn't preach about Christ, she is preaching about how she'd wished that everyone should become a Catholic, and that everyone should return back to the Church above.
brocab: This should give you a better understanding to your question, you know it yourself-you don't even believe that everyone outside your Church such as Martin Luther, has anything to do with knowing your god.
The question was what specifically did she say that you disagree with?
brocab: You have told me-what you believe, this is how I know. You are a Catholic, what more can I say, you keep on showing yourself on youtube, if you had returned back to the Catholic Church then it shows-you never knew Christ in the first place, you were never truly born again-instead you are seeking after another spirit-the spirit of the Catholic Church is not the Spirit of Christ, you have join together under the New World Order-Pope Francis is not your God on earth-Girl I advise you to cry unto the Lord and repent. True born again believers know Christ-and Christ knows His own, And people who claim to be under the banner of the universal Catholic Church denomination, are not born again believers, the fruit tells the story, born again believers accept Christ to His fullest, we believe everything Christ had written, we don't change the scriptures, we don't add all remove the scriptures, born again believers believe everything the Lord had taught us through the scriptures, you don't believe the scriptures is enough to know Christ, the Catholic Church is based upon the traditions, rather then based upon the Word of God. The Catholic Church practices tradition's that provides no evidence to prove, Paul had said this, or that, Paul taught on traditions he taught on the scriptures, he never taught to pray through Mary and the saints, he never taught Mary is the Queen of heaven-nor the Mother of God, nor did he teach on indulgence or purgatory-none of this is written in the bible-Paul preached about Christ, free of charge, Paul taught the traditions of God, not traditions the Catholic Church had added and acted upon.
What specifically did she say that you disagree with?
brocab: You only think I don't understand the scriptures, only because you don't understand them, you don't believe in the scriptures as well as you think you believe, you are Catholic, obeying the traditions of Catholics, claiming you obey the traditions of the apostles, and expecting me to criticize the Catholic's as well as you do. You speak about Catholic's obeying Paul's directions on traditions, and the bible doesn't have enough input to go by; concerning the Word of God, this is why you obey the traditions. Talking about traditions, I do remember the Catholic Church do prefer women covering their heads, Paul preached on these traditions-for the Church-but he also taught-{1 Corinthians 14:13} Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God. But the Church still practices the women's head should be covered with a piece of cloth. How about this tradition, the Church once followed-{Corinthians 14:34-35} Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. So why do you still deny the Word of God-when the Catholic Church doesn't practice all traditions, mainly because women are now head of man as priest.
solite3: Good. And you taught the bible was like your regular books.
The question: do both accounts contradict each other?
solite3: I guess you can comprehend. 2 Tim 3:15-17 states that scripture makes a man perfect. If the bible is not sufficient then it can't make anyone perfect. If a knowledge is perfect then it is sufficient, when you say a knowledge is not sufficient then you are saying it is not perfect.
Hope you got this
That passage does not say exactly what you want it to say. Scripture certainly has the power to do all the things that this verse says. But look more closely at what Paul is saying. You will agree, I am sure, that the writings we call the New Testament were not yet collected together as Scripture when Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy. So when Paul speaks of Scripture in this verse, he is certainly referring to the Old Testament and not the entire Bible as we now have it. In fact, in verse 15 he refers to the "sacred writings" with which Timothy has been acquainted from childhood. This can mean only the Old Testament.
But if we read his words as implying that Scripture is sufficient with no need of Tradition, then he would be saying that the Old Testament is sufficient. I don’t think any conscientious Christian would want to say that we don’t need the New Testament to have the kinds of teaching and reproof that Paul says in verse 16. Another example is Revelation 22:18-19 which was referring to the "book" of Revelation.
solite3: that is what you should belooking at! The bible which is inspired remains the reference point.
Do you check the scripture to know if what you are been taught is the truth?
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Saying the bible is insufficient is saying the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is insufficient which is a blasphemous heresy.
Why do you need anymore, if what you have is already enough to make you perfect?
That is the question I asked you to answer!
solite3: I don't know why you keep shouting Protestantism, Protestantism is all about searching the scriptures and putting in the place it belongs as inerrant and perfect.
I keep shouting protestantism because it barely started in 1517 with no solid foundation!
solite3: first time the bible is not just any book but a book inspired by the holy Spirit and the holy Spirit remains the custodian and interpreter of it not the roman catholic church.secondly why should I believe the librarian if even the writings of the book does not support such.
I'm not talking whether you should believe what the librarian said or not. The question is, was there any contradictions?
solite3: you denying it base on what you think not base on what is writting
I only went by your own logic sir.
solite3: lol u told me to show you were it the is sufficient for a man and I showed you. Why are you dribbling yourself? Come out of darkness
You did not show anywhere in the bible that says that. 2 Timothy 3:15-17 did not say anything about the sufficiency of the bible.
solite3: if the book does not support such opinon would you goble it down? The bible says try every spirit if they are of God. When you read a trusted book that tells you John F Kennedywas a former president of the united States and a us senior citizen who lived during that period tells you it is a lie. Do you gobble what the senior citizen tells u hook line and sink because you are not a us citizen and was not there? Your logic is wrong as it comes. if the book does not support such opinon would you goble it down? The bible says try every spirit if they are of God. When you read a trusted book that tells you John F Kennedywas a former president of the united States and a us senior citizen who lived during that period tells you it is a lie. Do you gobble what the senior citizen tells u hook line and sink because you are not a us citizen and was not there? Your logic is wrong as it comes.
Your first question: Absolutely not. But the question is, are both the book and the oral information contradictory?
Second question: Both information contradict each other. One says JFK was a former president while the other says he was not. So the Law of Non Contradiction applies. But on the flip side, if the US senior citizen had said JFK was a House of Reps member or a Senator, he would be right; in that sense, he won't be contradicting the book because JFK was a House of Reps member, Senator and President at different times of his life.
solite3: what if the diary disprove what the librarian says?
Good question! Let's find out. Did the diary disprove what the librarian said?
solite3: in that case Paul and the apostles and even Jesus were protestant.
Not true. Protestantism started in early 16th century, it's only 500 years old.
solite3: go and learn English. U like somebody who says they don't eat cow meat but beef.
Using straw man in an argument doesn't make your case. Cow meat and beef mean the same thing. You have not shown anything that proves 2 Timothy 3:15-17 is saying the bible alone is sufficient.
brocab: I just posted to you what the bible teaches, this is the truth, you yourself should be focusing upon, "as a Christian I had expected you to lead me to bible scriptures to retrieve any information I needed; 'but you have done the opposite, you have turned me away from the Word of God, expecting me to criticise-the things the Catholic Church refuses to teach preach and believe. {Romans 10:14-18} How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.” So you see, this must be ripping you to pieces, we can try to understand different messages from other sites, we could criticise the differences between Churches-but the truth is, we don't need any other book-to show us the Christ-we need His written Word found in the bible.
There's no need for you to keep posting bible verses for me because I believe in every single one of them. The issue here is that you don't understand the meaning of some of the verses you are posting.
If you want to understand the bible completely, you can only learn it from the Catholic Church. Protestants read the bible like it's a novel.
Venerable Fulton Sheen said, “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
brocab: How do you know what Catholics believe? Did you not direct me to different sites-do we not hear from worldly news, and does the net not spread news across the globe-all things, how we know what Catholics believe?
Did you get any teachings on Catholic beliefs from those sites? I will love to see what you got from there.
maclatunji: Former Anambra State Governor, Peter Obi seems to be nurturing a lasting friendship with the United States House of Representatives Speaker, Paul Ryan. After news broke of their meeting last year, it seems they have continued contact and discussions with the two meeting a few days ago in the United States.
Details of what they discussed were not disclosed by the 2 men but it is safe to assume Nigeria would not be far from the agenda.
It is also an open secret that both men would like to lead their respective countries some time in the future. He definitely helps to have influential friends from around the world.
brocab: It must hit home-when the truth is revealed, poor old Martin Luther-a legend in his time-dead and buried is still under persecution by the Catholic Church that shows no remorse, no forgiveness, and no repentance towards God and humanity. There are more people in Churches all over the world today,"lost" and as I said above, and this isn't criticizing-your continualing hatred against Martin Luther, shows you have no fruit? Is the Word of God being preached amongst the believers: is there another tradition of doctrines stopping God's people from hearing the message of forgiveness. Count the many Churches who are guilty of crimes against God and humanity, is the Word of God being preached amongst the believers: or do we find another tradition of doctrines stopping God's people to gain eternal salvation. The bible said: Love thy neighbour' as yourself, the Catholic's believe, love thy self righteous, as themselves?
brocab: {Romans 10:14-18}How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.” So you see, I am seeking the truth from you-not from sites that has no meaning..
If you want to know what the Church teaches, use the links I provided and read up. But if you want my explanation, you need to follow the format I posted.
brocab: And plus-I was hoping you would explain why you believe in God-and why you prefer to believe in something other then God's Word? But no you have pushed this aside-hoping no-one will ask you such a question-you had given me websites that can't possibly answer this question. So of course this gives you time to crawl under that rock you once came out from, again.. Can't any Catholic-give me the answer, are you saved, and how were you saved, and who saved you?
brocab: You expect me to criticize Catholic teaching, everybody criticizes-and shamefully with religion the Catholic Church is always in the middle of it all. I have read about many different religions-but the main attraction is-most false religions actually lines up with the Catholic Church, and this isn't criticizing-this is the truth.. Pointing out errors, won't change the fact people choose to believe them, the truth is written in the bible-but how many actually read the bible, to seek between error's and truth? Most people in Churches believe in their Church traditions, they would rather listen to either their priest-pastor, then to read something God's Spirit had ordained men to write the scriptures. There are more people in Churches all over the world today,"lost" and as I said above, and this isn't criticizing-since you became a believer in Christ, is there fruit-would you recognise changes in you-since the beginning? Count the many Churches who are guilty of crimes against God and humanity, is the Word of God actually being preached amongst the believers: all is there another tradition of doctrines stopping God's people to gain eternal salvation. God won the battle, had He opened to us a narrow door, a decision is made so each and everyone have a choice to decide, which life we have chosen to live by. “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. Are we not all in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” {1 Corinthians 1:30}
When you find any teaching from authentic Catholic source that is wrong, let me know. May Martin Luther pray for you.
solite3: @ bold are you insinuating what was written and what was preached were different gospels? Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
If there was one gospel, it mean what was written down is the same as what was said no difference and if so, the scripture can be used as a yardstick for differentiating lies from truth.
Example: If I gave you my sister's diary which she had written "I make sure I eat 3 square meals a day". And later on, I told you orally that my sister eats 5 times a day, what would be your conclusion? Do you see any contradictions?
solite3: Paul never said there two part of his message. That is you reading what it didn't say into it. He simply said his teaching was pass out in two ways, in writing and in words.
Paul never said his teaching was passed out in two ways. That is you reading what it didn't say into it.
solite3: Paul clearly said that the written scripture can make one perfect. 2 Timothy 3:15[b] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptureinspiratione able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [/b] 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That t[b]he man of God may be perfect, [/b]throughly furnished unto all good works.
Can what is imperfect bring perfection?
Refer to the example in my first reply above.
solite3: lol superfluity of nothingness. Being link to Christ has nothing to do with generational ties or physical birth. Churches do not have discendants. Do you are think that the worship of God is like ancesstral worship that is pass down from one lineage to another? The lie you have been taught is that roman catholic holds the truth.
Using my first reply: Assume in the year 4048, a man in India who has no knowledge whatsoever about my sister walks into a library, opens my sister's diary (or a copy of it) and he reads "I make sure I eat 3 square meals a day". The librarian says to him "the writer of this book eats 5 times a day". Just like a protestant, the man would argue the librarian's information is wrong because he couldn't find it in the diary. Who among the two do you think has more understanding of my sister's eating habit than the other?
solite3: 2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
brocab: Here we go again, refusing to give me something I could work on, instead you prefer me using religious sites-but not the sites I found is useful, if Got Questions won't help me, than what makes you believe EWTN website will? So far the EWTN website isn't helping me at all-matter of fact-it is doing my head in, and damaging me spirituality, if I wanted to believe in fairy tales, yes EWTN would be the site to go-I actually thought you were going to lead me to a good site-not something on the lines of a witch hunt, I thought Catholicism were a group of people that brought people to God, not turn them away. If you are expecting me to learn something about God, then at least give me truth, not something-the Catholic Church have added to scripture.
You are supposed to be criticizing Catholic teachings, that's why you have to use authentic Catholic sources so you can understand what the teachings are so that you will be able to point out the contradictions in them. My challenge to you is only to go through the teachings and point out errors, not necessarily for you to believe anything.
brocab: So now you would like me to past certain chapters? At first You wanted me to just look into EWTN website, I did, but you didn't give me a site to focus on. Finely I can see-where you are heading with this, and of course you call your blood father at home holy priest, just like the Catholic's say about the Pope. Just by looking at this below-obviously you are looking into the scriptures sightly backwards. There is nothing wrong with using the word father metaphorically, there is nothing wrong with calling our earthly parents “father” and “mother.” In doing so we are not giving our parents an elevated title or position that belongs only to God. Our earthly parents are worthy of honor, and we are to honor our parents daily in the spirit of {Exodus 20:12, Matthew 15:4, Ephesians 6:1–3} It would be confusing for God to give the fifth commandment in {Exodus 20:12} “Honor your father and your mother” and then later restrict us from calling our earthly father “father.” {Matthew 23:9} states, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and He is in heaven. ”The context of {Matthew 23:9}tells us that referring to one’s biological father as “Father” is not what Jesus is speaking about. In {Matthew 23:1–12} Jesus is denouncing the Jewish scribes and Pharisees for rejecting Him as their Messiah, in particular for their hypocrisy in elevating themselves above others with titles such as “teacher” and “master.” The Jewish teachers affected those titles because they supposed that a teacher formed the man or gave him real life. They sought, therefore, to be called “father,” as if they were the source of truth rather than God. Roman Catholics call their priests “father,” and the Pope is the “holy father.” Abbots take their title from the Aramaic word abba, which means “father.” This is clearly unbiblical. The priest as “father” is problematic. In the case of “holy father,” there is no doubt this title is unbiblical. No man can take on the title of “holy” anything, because only God is holy.
Make use of the format to make it easy to read. Copying and pasting from gotquestions.org won't help you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 11:16am On Mar 16, 2018
The truth is dealing with you and making you feel attacked, right? It's time to put down your ignorance and learn about God from the original Christian source.
