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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:45am On Mar 20, 2018

brocab:
AND YOU DO? JUST LIKE YOUR FIRST POPE, SIMON MAGUS! Claiming it to be Simon Peter..

You just confirmed my statement. Let me know when you have an argument on any authorized catholic teaching.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 12:27am On Mar 20, 2018

brocab:
The problem with your asking, I don't have to leave this Page to find X Catholic's

The problem with you is you don't know what you are arguing against.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 11:59pm On Mar 19, 2018

brocab:
We all know first hand-If I had retrieved the video out from a Catholic site-the video wouldn't even exist, and for the second Video-are they Catholic's, I believe they were at one stage, as they have obviously studied Catholicism, because they know the in's and out's about the history of the Roman Catholic Church.
But you will never know this, because you aren't ready to listen to no body outside your self righteous behaviour.
James White is everywhere on you tube, not only the Catholic site, as you claim-but debating against the the JW's too, and everyone who is against the Word of God..

The protestants are ashamed to leave the debate video on their platforms. James White is happy debating denominations he could easily defeat, like JW. I already told you, bring me any Catholic teaching from authentic Catholic source, not individual Catholics or ex-catholics who may or may not know a lot about the Church. Any church that started more than 1000 years after Christ is on its own a man made church and of course not of Christ. This is for no other reason other than the fact that Christ instituted His Church on earth before departure and gave His disciples authority with Peter the leader. Christ's Church was instituted in the first century, not after 1400 years of the Church's existence! The great commission and Authority Christ bestowed upon the Church has never transferred to anywhere. Read some history; don't allow individuals who have no solid foundation and history brainwash you into a Martin Luther acolyte.

Politics › Re: BREAKING: Cambridge Analytica May Have Meddled In 2007 Elections - GUARDIAN-UK by 9inches(m): 11:29pm On Mar 19, 2018

Cambridge Analytica Uncovered: Secret filming reveals election tricks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 9:03pm On Mar 19, 2018

shadeyinka:
I am not ignorant of what catholics believes: I spent 5 years of my Life in a Catholic School. Attended all your masses and learnt a lot of your doctrines.

I asked you to justify making graven images and bowing down to them (a direct violation of the scriptures)

Is this not idolatry?

Islam came up because of you guys.
You know what Mohammed saw?
He thought that the Trinity of God was God, Mary and Jesus. It shows how well you communicated Christ!

So what is the Catholic teaching on "graven images"?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 7:45am On Mar 19, 2018

shadeyinka:
And it didnt dawn on you that you have missed road with your traditions.

The scriptures already spoke of you. Traditions of MEN!

Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) make graven images?
Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) bow down to the graven image of Mary?
Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) you pray to your saints?

Idolatry is what you seek to justify and the rest of the Body of Christ will not accept it!

Everything you want to know about the beliefs, teachings and practices of the Catholic Church is here:

1. https://www.catholic.com/
2. http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

Just type your question in the search bar.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 7:34am On Mar 19, 2018

brocab:
Does this mean the Catholic's have rewritten their own doctrine, just to refuse the bible. Do you know how the books of the bible were written and later collected, compiled and authorized (canonized) the Bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 6:57am On Mar 19, 2018

brocab:
James White had done a good job preaching the Word of God-James smashed it, he proved the bible is our only sauce to retrieve all truth-but because the Catholic's seeks after non scriptural knowledge, "God's Word had beating the Catholic's once again protesting against Him.
If you have watched the other video-you would have seen-the bible is actually turning people away from-false religion, just like Martin Luther done.
I never retrieved these video's from any Catholic sites, these you tube video's are open to the world.
This is the video you have refused to talk about below-so let me show it to you again-and lets hear your views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOJoU9aBIg

Check the owner of the youtube channel. This video has been removed from every protestant site or channel because they realized James White was trashed in the debate. Not even a single non-Catholic site or channel, wow!

the second video, are they Catholics? What's your point?

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 12:35am On Mar 19, 2018

Kophschmerzen:
Idiota, you over rate your self worthlessness. Buried in what exactly? Your certificate of stupidity need to be archived in the hall of shame of m0rons.

Keep on yelling, imbec1Le. You've done your parents proud by beating their lying records. Congratulations stup1d!

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 12:30am On Mar 19, 2018

LordReed:
You said he explained his travels convincingly and I asked if you know how Schengen visas work, how did his explanation convince you if you know how Schengen visa work?

1. CNN reported that the Michael Cohen in the report is not Trump's lawyer but a man with the same name from a different country.
2. Michael Cohen, who was said to have visited Prague in August and September, did not leave or enter the United States during this time.
3. Mr Cohen said he has never been to Prague in his life.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 8:20pm On Mar 18, 2018

Kophschmerzen:
You are insane, moving the goal post like a brainless twerps. Go f**k yourself.

Dumbo, you just got buried in your rubbish. It'll get worse next time you come with your lies.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 5:00pm On Mar 18, 2018

LordReed:
You know how Schengen visas work right? So how are you convinced?

Convinced about what?

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 4:59pm On Mar 18, 2018

Kophschmerzen:
The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website funded by a major Republican donor, first hired the research firm that months later produced... You are clinically insane.

That months later produced what, F00L?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:56pm On Mar 18, 2018*

solite3:
by the way do you even know what tradition mean as used by the bible?. Paul's words are the same as what he wrote down.

2 Corinthians 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

By this you should note that the letters that they wrote is the full description of their actions. In other words their tradition is their letter.
So the teaching of the apostles is one both in words or in letter.

Pure heresy! If you recognize Scripture for what it is, you’ll see it wasn’t intended to be an instructional tool for converts. In fact, not one book of the Bible was written for non-believers. The Old Testament books were written for Jews, the New Testament books for people who already were Christians. Most of the epistles were written to local churches that were experiencing moral and/or doctrinal problems. Paul and most of the other New Testament writers sent letters to these local churches (e.g., 1 and 2 Corinthians and Galatians) in order to rectify these problems. There was no attempt on the part of the writers to impart a vast body of basic doctrinal instruction to non-believers nor even to simply summarize everything for the believers who received the letters. This is what protestants fail to realize!

YES, Paul's words are the same as what he wrote down. But NO, he did not write all his words down. Now read again what he said to Timothy (2 Thess 2:15) "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."

Remember, in 2 Tim. 3:14–15, Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it (Paul himself) and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. This is where Protestants like you take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura! But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition!

The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).

And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.

Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time -"’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25). Note that the word has been "preached", that is, communicated orally. This would endure. It would not be supplanted by a written record like the Bible (supplemented, yes, but not supplanted), and would continue to have its own authority.

This is made clear when the apostle Paul tells Timothy (2 Tim. 2:2), "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others". Here we see the first few links in the chain of apostolic tradition that has been passed down intact from the apostles to our own day. Paul instructed Timothy to pass on the oral teachings (traditions) that he had received from the apostle. He was to give these to men who would be able to teach others, thus perpetuating the chain. Paul gave this instruction not long before his death (2 Tim. 4:6-8 ) as a reminder to Timothy of how he should conduct his ministry.

solite3:
the scripture clearly defines the what the apostles practice and teach.
This is a straw man's argument

Go ahead, refute my argument IF YOU CAN.

solite3:
how did you come to interpret scriptures as old testament? Do think timothy didn't read new testament? Do you know that Timothy's mother and grand mother where Christians? And the Christians already recognise the new testament as scripture?

Pay attention, it's not about what Timothy or Christians at that time knew. It's about what Paul was emphatically saying. So again, Scripture as mentioned In 2 Tim 3:15 (that is, in that context) most specifically referring to the Old Testament.

solite3:
sorry, Paul never receive human traditions,
Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
What scripture refers to as traditions where nothing but biblical principles.
Those who were before me used sola scripture as the basis for faith, who is the roman catholic church to alter it? The scripture is greater than roman catholic church and her popes plus any other heretical organization.
Yes those before me follow sola scripture.

You're right! Paul never received human tradition like sola scriptura (introduced in 1517 by Martin Luther). Now pay attention and keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts. It does not encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rules in Catholic Church. So the Tradition Paul talks about in the scripture is what we aptly call Sacred or Apostolic tradition. It consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely, or perhaps entirely overlap with those contained in Scripture (I already used the word 'Supplemented' above), but the mode of their transmission is different.

They have been handed down and entrusted to the Church. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16). The truth of the faith has been given primarily to the leaders of the Church (Eph. 3:5), who, with Christ, form the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20). The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit, who protects this teaching from corruption (John 14:25-26, 16:13).

solite3:
have address 2Tim 3:15, my my originnal posts states
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You did address it WRONGLY. 3:16 does not explain 3:15. To contextualize 3:15, you need John 5:39; and to contextualize John 5:39, you need John 12:16; John 19:28; John 20:9; Luke 24:27, Luke 44, 1 Peter 1:10. That's how you know what any author or speaker is talking about any instance. You don't just lump verses together just because they use the same term and/or they are close to each other. If you learned biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, you would know this.

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 3:10pm On Mar 18, 2018

Kophschmerzen:
Hey you classless reprobate, go chew on this one and cure your idiocy.

https://www.google.de/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.amp.html

Your link supports my argument, retard! Lord knows if your stup1dity is hereditary.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 11:47am On Mar 18, 2018

LordReed:
A former British intelligence officer who has worked undercover in Russia is going to have problems with contacts in Russia? A man respected for his intelligence craft would have a problem getting the ear of the FBI on matters of treason? Russian contact is not the issue here. The issue is the "dirt" he got from his so called Russian contacts. Recently, it appears more like Clinton's hit

Please stop this nonsense insinuations of Obama being in collusion with Russia.

FBI and DOJ officials have said they cannot verify the dossier's charges of a conspiracy between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.
The dossier, 35 pages long, contains many specific assertions that could be verified by an organization with the resources of the FBI. Verified, that is, if they were accurate in the first place. At the same time, at least one group of assertions, the ones concerning Michael Cohen, have been convincingly debunked. Cohen has produced proof that he was not in the Czech Republic, or even in Europe, when the purported meeting took place.

So tell me again how credible and trustworthy Steele and his hit job is.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 11:03am On Mar 18, 2018

Kophschmerzen:
Even a rotten bag of potato have more self awareness than anyone in your lineage, mor0n the GOP never trumpers started the dossier. Go argue with your filthy ancestors.

You're wrong f00l. The GOP has nothing to do with Steele dossier. Steele was hired after the primaries. You might be entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 10:53am On Mar 18, 2018

brocab:
Since it's video's you are seeking, then lets start with a probate between Catholicism and protestant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE915fBzB20
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James White got destroyed in the debate.

Did you notice you can only find this debate on Catholic youtube channels only? The video has disappeared from every single protestant website and their youtube channels. Check out how they all disappeared: grin

1. https://www.facebook.com/aomin.org/posts/240743046028759
2. https://reformedbaptistdaily./2013/08/09/mariology-mary-debate-james-white-vs-robert-fastiggi/
3. https://1689reformedbaptist./2013/08/10/james-white-vs-robert-fastiggi-debate-on-the-marian-doctrines/
4. https://beaconapologetics./2015/08/24/christian-vs-roman-catholic-debate-on-mary-dr-james-white-vs-dr-robert-fastiggi/
5. https://beaconapologetics./2016/10/17/the-catholic-doctrine-of-mary/
6. http://gospelliving..qa/2013/05/25-free-debates-featuring-james-white.html "Indulgences Debate"

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 3:06am On Mar 18, 2018

LordReed:
Rubbish! The dossier was first sponsored by Republicans but when Trump won the candidacy they abandoned it.

You're talking crap! The Washington Free Beacon paid research focused on Trump's business and entertainment activities only. The Free Beacon stopped funding research on Trump in May 2016, and none of the work product they received appeared in the Steele dossier. Fusion GPS hired a foreign entity, a private British intelligence firm co-owned by Steele to look into connections between Trump and Russia. He was hired between June and November 2016.

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 2:47am On Mar 18, 2018

LordReed:
You were the one saying "but for a collusion with Russia to interfere with the election, the Democrats and Obama's admin are the real culprits."
How is Obama's Admin the culprits when they responded? How are they the culprits when before the election Mitch MacConnell threatened to accuse them of partisanship if they made their findings public? If anything the Republican party has been very eager to make sure the truth of the matter never comes to light.

How many times time am I going to explain it? Please tell me how a political opposition research made its way from Russia, through the FBI to the FISC and unverified.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:38am On Mar 18, 2018

solite3:
Look at your words...Now the question is was it only the old testament that Paul refers to as scriptures

solite3:
except you don't know what scripture means. Yes the scripture is sufficient because it is perfect.

9inches:
The scripture as mentioned means the Old Testament.

solite3:
so scripture means old testament. Do you know what testament mean? Ignorance. Why the scriptures itself defines what it mean.

9inches:
My comment said "The scripture as mentioned means the Old Testament."

solite3:
paul quoted the new testament and called it scriptures. I don't know what you are talking about.

Verses of the bible are interpreted in contextually. So, which verse are you talking about?

In 2 Tim 3:14, Timothy is initially exhorted to hold to the oral teachings (the traditions) that he received from apostle Paul. This echoes Paul’s reminder of the value of oral tradition in these previous verses:

(1.) 2 Tim 1:13, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus."
(2.) 2 Tim 2:2, "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others."

So, here in summary of (2 Tim 3:14), Paul refers EXCLUSIVELY to oral teaching and reminds Timothy to follow that as the "pattern" for his own teaching (as in 2 Tim 1:13).

Only after this reference to oral teaching is the term Scripture mentioned as "profitable" for Timothy’s ministry.

In 2 Tim 3:15 Paul was most specifically referring to the Old Testament.

solite3:
was Paul teaching ~~human~~ sacred tradition or the word of God? Was Paul's teachings not inspired by the holy Spirit? or is Paul writing not sacred?

Answers: Both. It was. It is.

Tradition: The reason you accept the books you do is that they were in the Bible someone gave you when you first became a Christian. You accept them because they were handed on to you. This means you accept the canon of the New Testament that you do because of tradition, because tradition is simply what is handed on to us from those who were in the faith before us. So your knowledge of the exact books that belong in the Bible, such as Philemon and 3 John, rests on tradition rather than on Scripture itself!

solite3:
Paul didn't tell you which scripture he only said timothy had known the scriptures ^verse15. paul's statement is All Scriptures are inspired by God and can bring perfection. ^verse16

You're conflating both verses. Verse 15 specifically refers to the old testament.

Summary: In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, was Paul laying down a guideline for Timothy to make use of both Scripture and tradition in his ministry.

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 1:23pm On Mar 17, 2018

JUHABACH:
which facts can be explored when witnesses refused to answer questions and no relevant docs were subpoenaed?

Edit: yeah... I think we are done here.
" but for a collusion with Russia to interfere with the election, the Democrats and Obama's admin are the real culprits"
smh. and here I thought I was having a conversation with a smart person.

@bolded, not true. That's a Democrats talking point. Hillary Clinton, DNC, Fusion GPS, Steele, FBI, DOJ all were responsible for the dossier that came from Russia. The dossier was bought and paid for, and then weaponized to harm Trump's Presidency. That's the real Russian collusion story.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 1:01pm On Mar 17, 2018

LordReed:
Please find this interview i am intrigued.

LoL when Obama expelled Russian diplomats were you asleep throughout that period? Well we'll see what Mueller finds out.

What does that mean? Trump-Russia Collusion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 9:06am On Mar 17, 2018*

solite3:
paul quoted the new testament and called it scriptures. I don't know what you are talking about.

Of course, Paul quoted Luke (1 Timothy 5:18); about 13 books of the New Testament, including Luke, have been written before Paul's letter to Timothy.

9inches:
.....since over 8 Books including Revelation were yet to be written as at then.

It's not confusing at all.

1. The Holy Scripture is literally the Sacred Scripture.

2. In 2 Timothy 3:14-15, verse 14 is different from verse 15.

(a) 2 Tim 3:14 - "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom[a] you learned it".
He was pressing Timothy to continue what he had learned and firmly believed about Christ (essentially the New Testament), knowing he learned it from credible people like Paul.

(b) 2 Tim 3:15 - "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."
Paul reminded him of his training from childhood on the sacred scriptures.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 7:52am On Mar 17, 2018

solite3:
paul quoted the new testament and called it scriptures. I don't know what you are talking about.

Of course, Paul quoted Luke (1 Timothy 5:18); about 13 books of the New Testament, including Luke, have been written before Paul's letter to Timothy.

9inches:
.....since over 8 Books including Revelation were yet to be written as at then.

It's not confusing at all.

1. The Holy Scripture is literally the Sacred Scripture.

2. In 2 Timothy 3:14-15, verse 14 is different from verse 15.

(a) 2 Tim 3:14 - "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom[a] you learned it".
He was pressing Timothy to continue what he had learned and firmly believed about Christ, knowing he learned it from credible people like Paul.

(b) 2 Tim 3:15 - "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:13am On Mar 17, 2018

brocab:
Let us read to see who is making nonfactual sweeping statements about the Catholic Church-why did Martin Luther turn against the Catholic Church, if indulgence and Purgatory-were the truth found in the manuscripts written by the apostles?
Why did Luther regarded this as a form of corruption-by his time, indulgences had evolved into payments that were said to reduce punishment for sins "Luther believed that such practices only interfered with genuine repentance and discouraged people from giving to the poor.
{1 Timothy 6:5} Men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
From such withdraw yourself.

One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences.

brocab:
The Catholic Church demanded full authority, turned against Martin Luther, over unbiblcal literature, the Catholic's taught more money will save a multitude from going to hell, less money will put a multitude in Purgatory hell, until someone pays the price to set you free.
The fact is the Catholic Church claims to be the One True Church of the Apostles, and Facts do change, "but the Word of God doesn't change. And the Word of God doesn't mention Peter spent time in Rome nor did the apostles dare to practice Christianity with paganism..

I have already shown you how to search for any question on Catholic teachings. Everything you need to know is there.
1. https://www.catholic.com/
2. http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdUZ3kWjM8

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 2:06pm On Mar 16, 2018*

LordReed:
Please link to this interview.

Republicans hounded Clinton for how many years with not even 1 indictment so what collusion are Democrats trying to cover? Republicans currently control both Houses so how are Democrats covering anything?

I just searched youtube but can't find it. I watched the interviews live, one on MSNBC and I can't remember on which network I saw the other one.
After 73 interviews and over 300,000 documents, and they haven't found anything... It's better they left it for Mueller to figure out. Although mueller himself is on his own fishing expedition, we'll see how it all ends. Financial impropriety might come out but for a collusion with Russia to interfere with the election, the Democrats and Obama's admin are the real culprits.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 1:37pm On Mar 16, 2018

JUHABACH:
you are missing my point. I'm not saying there's actual proof of collusion, I m saying that the house intelligence committee investigation did come close to going far enough to reaching any definite conclusion

Probably because the facts they were exploring weren't leading them to any real Trump-Russia collusion story. So, the Democrats went fishing sporadically; they had to be contained.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 1:28pm On Mar 16, 2018

LordReed:
Again this is not true. Trump has repeatedly said he's had nothing to do with Russians, there are videos of him saying it. Stormy Daniels is an issue because it shows the pattern of Trump's attempts to cover up dirty deeds, not even forgetting that he may have violated campaign laws by the payment that was made.

@bolded, That's a lie. Note, "he's had" does not mean "he has." Also "Russians" does not mean "Russian."

You're talking about videos like this, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-9fJy0aHMI

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Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 1:15pm On Mar 16, 2018

LordReed:
I did because that is not what is being discussed. You said Schiff said he has not seen evidence not whether what he has seen will satisfy Mueller's conditions. Do not attempt to conflate the 2 because that will just be disigneous and deceptive.

In an interview Schiff admitted the there's no evidence apart from the one already in public like the Trump Tower meeting. Again, in a separate interview, he said what he wants to investigate is whether the leverage Russians may have had on Trump. Don't forget, the Russian lawyer involved in the Trump Tower meeting also met with Fusion GPS before and also after the Trump Tower meeting. So it was clear Democrats were on a wild goose chase just to get Trump and cover their own collusion involving the Hillary Clinton, DNC, State House, White House (possibly), FBI, DOJ, Fusion GPS, British spy and Russia.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 12:24pm On Mar 16, 2018

brocab:
Not many video's, I have been learning more about the Church of the Apostles? But I can't seem to retrieve any answers from the video's, you have supplied me.
Your favoured Lizzie, wasn't any help to me, instead of looking at her own faults, she winches about others, nor did I find anything from that other video you had shared with me, he didn't make any sense-he's preaching was based around the Catholic Church.
I am searching for the truth-and to learn about the apostles and the Catholic Church-I can't seem to find any positive evidence to prove they both line up with each other. "Actually it is only his say, her say, but nothing that really lines up on the same page.

Isn't that the exact same thing you've been doing- making nonfactual sweeping statements about the Catholic Church. Even when a long time Pentecostal pastor converted to Catholicism and explained why Protestantism is wrong, you still have your head stuck in the sand because you lack the humility to accept the truth. You believe in a ma-made doctrine of 1517. Before your Martin Luther cut down the bible to 66 books and started protestantism, there have always been the One True Church of the Apostles. Facts don't change, you can use different tactics to ignore it all you want but it remains what it is.

Foreign Affairs › Re: In 150-Page Report, House Intel Republicans Find No Evidence Of Collusion by 9inches(m): 12:11pm On Mar 16, 2018

JUHABACH:
Except trump denied having any financial links with russia while refusing to release his finances or the tax returns he promised to release during the campaign. not to
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/trump-denies-any-links-to-russia-no-loans-no-nothing.html

yes, collusion hasn't been proven but the investigation was far from competently done. what kind of investigation comes to a conclusion after witnesses refused to answer questions put to them.

those indicted trump campaign officials even without the indictments were within the trump inner circle. one would think they would be considered key witnesses in a collusion investigation. they were indicted as Mueller sees them as persons of interest in his investigation.

emmm... you obviously don't realise how much power the chairmen of special committees hold in the u.s. they can single handled frustrate investigations as subpoena to get documents or compell witnesses to testify can't be issued without their approval. they can also end the investigation at anytime and the final report is again subject to their approval.
even republicans within the committee are skeptical about its conclusion

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/15/house-intelligence-republicans-russia-probe-465805

that says a lot.

Dealing with Russia is different from dealing with Russian individuals. "I have had dealings over the years where I sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago. I had the Miss Universe pageant — which I owned for quite a while — I had it in Moscow a long time ago. But other than that, I have nothing to do with Russia," Trump said. Trump specifically said he has no investments or loans in or from Russia, and that's the key area. It's public knowledge that he had Trump SoHo financed in some way by either Russian or ex Soviet Union individuals in the past about the period Don Jr made that remark. Trump also has since the 80's trying to break into the Russian Market but clearly wasn't successful to this day.

The area of interest for a collusion case is whether he currently had any underhand dealings that might make him susceptible to blackmail. That is different from actual collusion. For a collusion to be proven, he had to willfully conspire with intent to interfere with the election process.

If he didn't release his tax returns because he defaulted in his tax payment or he has laundered money in some way in the past, that's a different story altogether and has nothing to do with Russia Collusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJh0GbxIlAM

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