₦airaland Forum

Osyabj:
Nwoye stated, “ We must win this election at all costs. We must not allow us to be defeated. After we have won let anybody who is aggrieved go to court.

“I want to assure all my co- contestants that there is no victor, no vanquished. If we win, I am not going to abandon politicians, politician are going to run my administration. They say ‘politics is not a profession’. I don’t agree. APC government in Anambra State will be run by politicians,” Nwoye stated.

OLAADEGBU:
What oral tradition did the apostles teach apart from what was taught in the written word of God?

OLAADEGBU:
What oral tradition did the apostles teach apart from what was taught in the word of God?

OLAADEGBU:
Check it out here:

https://www.nairaland.com/4042886/what-five-solas

emeijeh:
Although I hate paedophiles,



But..
Something snapped indeed.....you just want to see how you can draw attention to yourself and also raise funds by suing the bast*rd

https://s1.postimg.org/95p3najhof/tenor_5.gif

OLAADEGBU:
Check it out here:

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another" (1 Corinthians 4:6).

https://www.nairaland.com/4042886/what-five-solas

globemoney:
Obiano admin has employed more people than obi, obiano has more capital projects more than obi, obiano rescued Anambra from insecurity during obis tenure. Obiano has outperformed obi in just 4 years. Facts! Peter obi is nothing more than the more you look, the less you see

FreeGlobe:
Go and do your research, Google it. The man (Obiano) you are campaigning for has yoruba roots. There is nothing igbo in being the Otumba Atayese of Ilemeso Ekiti.

FreeGlobe:
when will he visit the traditional rulers in Ekiti State where he holds the title of Otumba Atayese of Ilemeso Ekiti. Anybody with yoruba roots shall not rule us. Aru!

FreeGlobe:
I predict Obiano will be the first "Governor (s)elect" in Nigeria that will not be sworn in.

OLAADEGBU:
Maybe you should have read the whole article in addition to what you quoted.

Kennydoc:
Sorry, it's a mistake. I meant Christianity hasn't lost its potency. My bad!

globemoney:
Africonji, nwabobo, mopolchi, winterfell007, whynotthetruth, 9inches, and other peter obi epropagandists, PDP Mega Rally, without any PDP Governor, none even from SE or PDP senator, including their only senator in Anambra, nor any house of reps mkember.... that one na PDP rally?

PDP died in Anambra the day they handed over the party structure to obi

greedy peter obi has finally hijacked PDP and turned it to Peter deceiving People(obaze)..

FreeGlobe:
hundreds of millions spent, 250 megawatts, 60% completion. Believe this and believe anything. I smell fraud and obiano is not going anywhere

FreeGlobe:
Go and do your research, Google it. The man you are campaigning for has yoruba roots. There is nothing igbo in being the Otumba Atayese of Ilemeso Ekiti.

FreeGlobe:
when will he visit the traditional rulers in Ekiti State where he holds the title of Otumba Atayese of Ilemeso Ekiti. Anybody with yoruba roots shall not rule us. Aru!

FreeGlobe:
All hands must be on deck to ensure he is disqualified. I trust the litigation powers of Ndi Anambra

FreeGlobe:
^
Nonsense, even though I'm not particularly a supporter of Ngige but he is far better than Peter obi and his new stooge combined. You people keep mentioning okija shrine but forget Peter obi too belongs to olumba olumba

FreeGlobe:
not when the obi of onitsha has started the desecration. was he not part of the team that went to Lagos to collect dollars from Ifeanyi Uba? bloody hypocrites

FreeGlobe:
tell that to the mammoth onitsha crowd who will actually vote that gathered at the rally. The obi of onitsha has become an APGA member so he is not taken seriously

FreeGlobe:
and you open your dirty mouth to criticize boko haram when you are a Catholic boko haram yourself. Do you even know Ngige is a Knight in Catholic church I.e more powerful that Peter obi in Catholic. Is there any Catholic Bishop with more influence than the Anglican Anikwenwa rtd in Anambra. Like I said, the figures were manufactured in your anus. I hope you will not kill yourself when Ngige is declared winner.

FreeGlobe:
so they will not vote because they are okada men and truck pushers. why is Peter obi and his clown candidate not pulling this crowd too since them dey find food chop?

FreeGlobe:
one wonders if the skin bleaching Willy obiano will not perform worst than his master Peter Obi considering the number of masters he has signed agreement with. His tenure will concentrate on settling or withdrawing from those masters. God forbid. Great write up

FreeGlobe:
shut your dirty mouth, the debate was watched live and it was obvious Obiano is a failure and fyi, this is from thisday!

FreeGlobe:
nne I hope you will have a large heart to acccept Obiano's loss this Saturday. It is very imminent

FreeGlobe:
musiwa2 I will vote Ngige over clueless Obiano and incompetent Peter obi. Take that to the bank

FreeGlobe:
You mean Inec to announce APGA's Obiano winner with over 100,000 ghost voters.

Shambolic election which the 'winner' will last shorter than Kim kardashian's marriage.

FreeGlobe:
From now to March is a long time for courts to deliver judgment. I predict Obiano will be the first "Governor (s)elect" in Nigeria that will not be sworn in.

Kennydoc:
Balance is the word, bro. Christianity has lost it's potency. It's just that Christians have become weak.
Miracles still happen in the name of Christ. Cancers still leave at the mention of the name of Jesus.

TundeHashim:
Defending the most indefensible position makes the best of lawyers look like learners. I knew you were on a quicksand starting from when u delved into philosophy. You've lost the war prior to firing your first shot. And why did I say this? I'll go ahead making a case for my argument in the subsequent paragraphs.

First of all, you said I'm starting on a wrong foot. By this, you posit "Truths especially that of morality are absolute". If I'm to contextualize your point, you're basically saying moral truth is objective. That morality truths are universal and not based on the whims and caprices of a particular society. [s]What's morally true in China is morally true in Zimbabwe. What's morally right in Pyongyang is morally right in Katsina and what's morally wrong is Ottawa is also wrong in Rome. Morals are universal, stealing is wrong in US, UK, Tokyo...just name it[/s]. Thats basically the point youre trying to make. Now lemme dismember your point and show u the errors in holding those views.

I'll like to define morality by calling it a standard which classifies an act to be either "good" or "bad"(although this definition looks like ethics but is not). By this, a moral act is a "good" act. Conversely, an immoral act is a "bad" act. Furthermore, it is important we explain what's universal/ objective. When u say something is universal or objective...that should imply that such a thing is [s]universally the same[/s]. For example, scientific truths are objective. That means scientific truths are the same in all countries, in all ages and at all time. Water [s]is H2O in the US, Zambia, Japan just name it; water[/s] is H2O in 1129 B.C.; 1453 A.D., 1989, 2000 and down to 2017 and it'll be the same throughout time. So also is 2+2. This are objective truths. One fundamental thing about objective truth is that they are known as "a posteriori" truth. What does that mean, they are subject to scientific scrutiny/test before an answer is gotten. At least, you must do a little bit of calculation before you get the answer of 2+2. To also the properties of water or any other thing, a thorough scientific research must be carried out. Thats to objective truths.

But can we say moral truths are objective? The first thing is that there is no general consensus on what's good. What's good in China May not necessarily be good in Lagos. Conversely, what's immoral in KwaZulu May not be immoral in KinNupe. [s]What the Mbororo'en (nomadic Fulanis) hold as taboo May not be taboos to the Ndi Igbo (I think that's how they call themselves). Conversely, the same applies to the Yorubas and Hausas. Let's take the example of polygamy. I'm sure you're a Nigerian. Every Nigerian society (I say it with all sense of correctness) does not see polygamy to be an immoral act. Mohd, David, Solomon and even Abraham practiced polygamy BUT polygamy is immoral to the average Roman or Greek. I can use several examples but I think that'll suffice.[/s]

Furthermore, moral truth is not constant. It changes. It doesn't hold for all time, all people and all ages. The answer to 2+2 has been the same right from the time of my ancestors and it'll be the same till the world ends. Can we say the for morality? 2000 years ago, it was morally wrong to practice gay marriage in Rome or Spain but that has changed now. Human sacrifice was widespread in some areas in Nigeria 300 years ago and those societies doesn't see it as a wrong. But can that be said of the modern age? This are the vexing issues....

[s]I agree that there are some morals that are universal such as stealing, murder, rape etc. The truth is that even universal morals are subject to change. Now lemme give u an example. Slavery use to enjoy the status of almost universal acceptance. Almost every society in the universe do not see anything wrong in slavery 500 years ago. But slavery is now an immoral act. That goes on to show u the dynamic of universal morals.[/s]

I was on a journey yesterday. The road was bad so I couldn't type a long treatise without making so many errors. I'm sorry for the late reply.

I think I've made my case for subjectivity of moral truth. If you have a superior argument to rebutt it, you could go ahead. Then any "independent" (obviously not the OP because he's an interested party) party could call us both and pass hos comments.
Bye!

TundeHashim:
Now u went on to say incinerating Jews may not be immoral toaa Nazi judge or Mohammed. Probably you've forgotten that Nazi judges are more Christians than Muslims. With respect to Mohammad, there is a specific ruling against incinerating persons. If u want to talk about incinerating of persons, probably go back to Ivan the terrible or the Spanish inquisitors...you'll get lot of stories on how inquisition is done.

Now the last leg of this discourse. You committed one of the biggest intellectual frauds. You told me to be objective yet subjective at the same time. You posit that moral truths are objective yet appealing to my subjective side (by specific reference to my belief in a moral giver). Ask a Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Christian 2+2 and the answer will be the same. But that doesn't hold for religious/moral truth. The questions of is there God? What's trinity? Does hell exist? Destiny? Freewill ? All elicit different response from different people. The answer is not universal! It's not objective. Simple.

I believe in a moral giver, you believe in a moral giver but that doesn't mean our moral giver IS THE SAME. [s]The fact we both believe in a moral giver is NOT a prove for the universality of Morality![/s] More so, as long as u believe in trinity, you and I do NOT (in emphasis) share the same moral giver. We are fundamentally different from u guys. I've said that countless of times. Yorubas believe in a moral giver (eledumare), the Greeks believe in Zeus while the Romans believe in (I've forgotten...probably Jupiter?) But that doesn't mean they share the same standards for what's good or not. [s]Polygamy is "immoral" in Athens but "moral" in Oyo-ile or Igboho...how do u explain that?[/s]

9inches:
Reason being that there is a moral giver (which I assume you believe in).

OLAADEGBU:
This link has comprehensively dealt with your question: https://www.nairaland.com/1978349/what-sola-scriptura

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

Second Timothy 2:15 declares, “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.”

(2 Timothy 4:2).

From What I Understd From Dis Write Up Is Dat Sola Scriptural Is Unbiblical And A Tradition Of Man

Dear op, I know the arguments on Sola Scriptural quite well and more than substantial teachings of the Catholic Church for those who profess Sola Scriptural. I will only make one reference from your post and if am chanced to come on some other day, I will post other answers.

The Catholics pray to Mary and according to you, it is unbiblical. Below is the prayer as it is said.
'Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with you.
Blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.
Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen'

Now, open your bible to gospel of St Luke 1:28. That's the first part of the above prayer. Read further down from verses 29ff.
Again, Lk 1:41-43. is the second part of the prayer.
The third part of the prayer is the affirmation of the church on what the angel, Elizabeth and Mary proclaimed. Refer to Lk 1:48 and also Jn 2:1-5.

The only group I feel for are my fellow Catholics whom when asked where is it in the Scripture? They began to look left, right, front and back.
On a final note dear friend, the Catholic Church believes in the sacred Scripture and sacred Tradition.

The bible doesn't teach sola scriptura as your article clearly says.

Why should i follow a man made tradition made in the 16th century?

The same Olaadegbu that will adopt extra biblical event to justify falsehood is here talking about sola scriptura? The day he stop copying from too many sites and learn the word by himself, maybe he will agree with same sola scriptura. That's when we take him serious. ..

irynterri:
Naah, you are seeing it the wrong way Bro, orthodox churches have been around for close to 2000 years, they ain't going anywhere.i think it is high time CAN addresses this issue of multiple churches,you will not understand the effect till 10years from now(may God keep us alive), in my street there are 3 churches (2 in uncompleted buildings with no windows and plastered walls ) and one shares a school building. this proliferation of churches is propagating quantity over quality, the same way you have to be inducted and found qualified to be a doctor is the same way you have to be found worthy of character of reason to be a shepherd to God's sheep, it is only a matter of time before NL will be featuring at least 3 pastors found guilty of adultery, theft,kidnapping.it is already happening but it will get worse.let CAN forget propaganda and license churches else christainity in Nigeria will be a laughing stock

Kennydoc:
This is a bishop that doesn't understand the workings of the power of God. It's likely he hasn't seen or experienced a miracle even as a priest and bishop. How can a leader of the church talk down on praying cancer away? Aren't believers supposed to have such powers? Jesus said, "greater works shall ye do because I go to the Father", and we know that Jesus did what was more difficult than praying cancer away. How come Christians today see it as impossible to do miracles?

There is a balance in all these things depending on people's level of faith. If your faith isn't strong to pray cancer away, go to hospital. But the fact remains that people have done that before and got healing.
And by the way, cancer isn't even such a good example to be used by the bishop cos most people with cancers that go to the doctors only get a little prolongation of their lives. Doctors often don't have a perfect solution to most cancers.

talk2percy:
Religion is bad, especially for Africans! The people will live happily together if religion were to be taken out of the picture....

Statsocial:
Secondly, saying Muslims have the right to islamise Nigeria is just unacceptable. Especially coming from a bishop. No one has ever challenged the right of Muslims to advance the cause of Islam. All we are saying is that you cannot use political power to advance the cause of Islam. A situation where we have a currency with Islamic inscription in a supposed secular state is just senseless and ridiculous..

See ehn I have noticed of recent that it seems the catholics are tilting towards supporting Islam in discourses against Pentecostals and this is for no reason other than a perceived "Competition". Pentecostalism is moving through Africa like a wild fire and might even be the last hope for Christianity in Europe(d two largest churches in Europe are now Pentecostal churches led by Ashimolowo and adelaja). Unfortunately, it has resulted in many ppl crossing over from orthodoxy into pentecostalism. The orthodox churches are reducing in members while the Pentecostals which were once called mushroom churches by their orthodox counterparts in the early days of Pentecostalism are greatly increasing. But I believe the orthodox churches haven't managed this trend well by addressing the issues that people have always had. Rather they are allowing resentment build up to the point were they constantly try to invalidate Pentecostal Christians.

Lalasticlala

Statsocial:
Lol I totally take an exception to his attack on pentecostals. I have always tried to restrain myself when Catholic bishops in Naija talk so we do not muddy the name of God in public.

How can the catholic church with about 170 billion USD in annual spending and also wealthier than the top 3 corporations in d world put together be accusing Pentecostals of prosperity gospel.

Is it offering, the catholic church collects. I guess they collect tithe too. There own schools are also expensive. Infact Loyola Jesuit Tuition is about thrice of Covenant's own. So lets not be hypocritic here. Don't try to validate your own church by invalidating others.

Also I am pretty sure the likes of catholic, Anglican etc even passes more offering envelopes than the the so called pentecostals in one service. I lived as an orthodox christian for close to 20 years and I know that the number of offering envelopes passed in some services far outnumber what the likes of Living Faith do.



**for those asking about my source for catholic wealth you can check this links
https://douglasbeaumont.com/2015/07/13/catholic-wealth-and-spending/amp/

http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

Zenithpeak:
So the question is - Do you think Nigeria's naira is the weakest currency in Africa and the world at large and what is the way forward to strengthen the naira.

Share your thoughts and comments

https://amp.pulse.ng/lifestyle/money/the-disparity-between-naira-and-other-african-currency-id7448703.html

sonmvayina:
Mary the mother of Jesus, in early writings she was known as Mary Lucifer or Mary the light bearer..
.it was Jerome who edited it out on the other of the pope in his Vulgate version.

obixcel:
This category of 'Depression'; Its causative agent is Trump Derangement Syndrome

Abbeybailey:
Village champion, the racist pig you worship said he met with the president of US Virgin Islands. Hmmmm, you are just as worthless as the Orange one with Chiapet hair.

TundeHashim:
Now we have to delve jnto the concept of "a priori" truths. But trust me, I'm not ready to write a long treatise.

You didn't get the core of my argument right. You could go back and read my posts again. I wasn't talking in the absolute when I said truth is subjective. I was SPECIFIC by stating that one can't be objective when making opinions on issues of THIS NATURE! Simple. The truth here is subjective! It depends on who u ask. Mathematical truths like 2+2 and 2×2 is objective to all persons, in all places. But with respect to religious/moral truths, it's subjective. That's my argument and that's what I've been saying all along. You could read my post again. I've never implied something to the contrary. Religious/ethical and moral truth would always depend on the lenses upon which each individual, society or group views it. That's why there's relativity of morality. I think I'm done with this.

OLAADEGBU:
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me" (Exodus 20:4-5).

Yes, am a Bible only Christian, adopting the sola scriptura. The second commandment clearly prohibits any use of images or statues in place of worshipping or adorating the Creator. This key commandment which I don't believe exists in the Roman Catholic Bible, says that we shall not make ourselves any graven images, and that we shall not bow down to anything but God.

sonmvayina:
Mary is also inanna, Venus,Aphrodite,Ishtar, Shiva,...olokun.....Lucifer,the morning star..

She is the queen of heaven and the goddess of death and destruction...
You will really love her if you open your mind and learn the full story..she is our mother... And loves us all..

Abbeybailey:
You meant bending law in your unlit village. What a delusional clown you are.

TundeHashim:
Did u know I used almost half an hour gazing on ur response. I did that not because I was convinced by the force of your argument nor I didn't know what to type. The truth is I don't know where to start from. For sake of brevity, I'll address two points which I think is most fundamental.

You said we both share a fundamentally different but superficially similar beliefs. If by this, u mean yr faith and mine are fundamentally different, although they share basic similarities like belief in God,monotheism and some stories. That I agree with u. My religion is MORE fundamentally different THAN superficially similar to urs. In fact, what divides us, to my mind, far outweighs what binds us. We're totally different to u guys in almost every aspect.

Now to the crux of the argument. Basically (if my summary of ur argument is right), u said u are not being subjective because the TRUTH does not change regardless of who won the debate. What's the "TRUTH" is a naughty philosophical issue that even embarrasses the most proficient of philosophers. I won't bore u by delving into what constitute truth. But one thing is sure. The truth, with respect to argument like this is not objective. I'm a Fulani born into a Muslim home and I was raised to see certain ethical values to represent "truth". If you had been born into a kanuri home, your perspective of what constitute the truth, with specific respect to faith, would have been different. Also, If I was born to an igbo parent as well, maybe I would have been more sympathetic to the Biafran struggle and see the "truth" in it. It is wrong, to imply that you have monopoly of "truths". That the only true way is the Christian way. That's false, that'ssubjective and that's the basic crux of my argument. The Jew sees Judaism as the true way; the Buddhist see Buddhism as the true way; the Taoist see Taoism as the true way so also is the Hindu, Atheists, Agnostics, etc. We are all products of respective environment.

Conclusively, methinks I've been able to achieve my aim by showing u that there's noway u could engage in argument of this nature by not being subjective. Though as u pointed out, the TRUTH might not be subject to change but obviously, what constitute truth to us, in discourses like this, is subjectively subjected to our upbringing. (To the social factors that has shaped our lives)

Afriifa:
u work for EFCC. see ur bedroom.. so d money wey una d recover na lie lie gini? becux by now u for don get level pass dis one

Pidginwhisper:
Abeg press Rewind make we see wetin happen overnight coz na thorough overnight f*@ck fit make her get this kind treat

Lordygram:
And he had to post it online to seek attention.... what nonsense and the woman is even laughing, allowed him to post it online... Africans are too shallow minded,, This is a practice that have been going on amongs white couples and in the western world,, what seems normal is now something Africans wants a round of applause for..