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AnalyticEngine:
Pls if u know the guy, tell him to apply KPMG or PwC. If he is very good, I believe they'll recruit him.

Are you even in nigeria? What makes you think he has not been applying?

Nurozigi:
Smiles!


Pls study the contents in the links, be a good Christian and stop blaspheming because your blasphemes won't in anyway bring me back to the discussion. I'm filled with the fact that the answers to your most disturbing questions are all there. And guess what? Other passing Christians too will open the links today or some other days to know its contents.

I'm humbly done with your Inquisitions.

Islam is peace bro.

Islam is only nine percent peace bro.

Take care. bye

floragregs:
This girl with no shame. Dog done lick her eyes so shame no dey again! Dem nor dey sell contraceptives for ur area? U purposely got preggy for a rapist? Clap for urself. Bunaboy sef na one mumu mummy's boy wey never sabi wash him boxers well.

You mean like this?

Nurozigi:
Insha Allah this will be my last comment on on this thread:

I've succeeded in getting for you what you felt I have no knowledge of or probably hiding from you. But unfortunately, the prove of rasululah (s.a.w)'s existence is way broad that I can't exhaust it here, but you deserve it completely exhausted, so I'm just going to provide you with DIRECT links to satisfy your taste and to also prove to you that I'm not dodging/hiding from these evidences from your present day bible and in the Qur'an. Hence:

1. http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

2. http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:3

3. http://www.questionsonislam.com/article/proofs-prophethood-hazrat-muhammad-pbuh-distorted-bible

4. https://islamqa.info/en/2114

5. http://www.thewaytotruth.org/prophetmuhammad/proofs.html

6. https://www.al-islam.org/prophethood-and-prophet-islam-ayatullah-ibrahim-amini/evidences-prophethood-muhammad

7. http://www.albalagh.net/prophethood/finality%20of%20prophethood.shtml

These links still can't be exhausted, you can actually source for more evidence online yourself(smiles)

Note that the different versions of the bible might bring about differences in what is being quoted on the above links, I mean translation from the original language of the bible(probably Hebrew, I don't know) to English. But Insha Allah I believe you should be logical enough to open different versions of the bible before you start blaming the quotations on misinterpretation.

Also worthy of note is that within those links, hadiths have also been quoted, I don't believe in them anyway. But for the circumstances surrounding what I need to send to you as evidence, they were included.

Also some biblical apostles were credited the authors to most quotes on the links above. Like I said earlier, most of them never met Jesus(a.s) all through their lifetime, but I've got nothing to prove to you as evidence that rasululah (s.a.w) was prophesied by Jesus(a.s), Moses (a.s) and other blessed apostles of Allah in your bible without quoting from that same bible. So pls accept their words in this scenario as you've always been.

Again in one of the links is a clear picture of one of the missing books of Isaiah. Alhamdulilah that book was found, its an authentic proof that some books in the Bible are missing as I judiciously said earlier and hence, the original bible has been adulterated............No blasphemy intended.

Pls take your time to study those links, I think you need and deserve them, at least you deserve the truth for allowing Allah to use you in putting me to the right path. Many links concerning this discussion are available online. Go there, get them and let yourself know the truth. Probably you'll still thank me for giving you an eye opener to the truth concerning your religion from all ramifications.

Lets I forget, also in the links are evidences that rasululah (s.a.w) is a prophet of Allah after Jesus(a.s) prophethood (your most disturbing question will be answered Insha Allah)

Its really going to take you long to go through those proves as it will take me long to start writing them down for you, I feel for you brother. But you wanted it, so I had no option in giving it to you. And believe me, you'll really feel bad about what I'm about to expose to you, but you deserve it bro, just accept it.

Also try and read some Dan Brown's novels, it will also help you to know more about the early Christians. Dan Brown should either be an atheist or a Christian so its safe to read his expository books about Christianity too, since he's not a Muslim.

Insha Allah this should be my last response to your questions because I'm totally and consciously satisfied that I've given you what you so longed for. If you have any further questions, use the FAQ section of each link to ask those who wrote them there, Insha Allah I believe such sections or similar sections exist in the links.


Pls let me know if you can't open the links, I'll try as much as possible to get it opened for you Insha Allah.


Ma Salam. Peace bro!

There is not just one event bearing witness that Jesus will come as a Saviour or Messiah. In fact, God has been revealing this information right from the time of Abraham, which is about 2000 years before Jesus was born. Almost every prophet that existed before Jesus said thesame thing as documented in the Old Testament under different prophets. And because the people during the time of Jesus were already aware of those prophecies, they witnessed it all- prophecies such as his birth, life, death, resurrection were told before He was born, and He fulfilled ALL of them. So everyone who witnessed any part of the prophecy, whether it is His birth, His life, His crucifixion on the cross by the Jews and His eventual death, or His resurrection, is a PROVEN WITNESS. It does not matter whether they believed Jesus' teaching or not. They saw everything they were foretold happen before their eyes.

For example:
- 700years before Jesus, prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would be crucified with criminals (Isaiah 53:12). The fulfillment of that prophecy is recorded in Matthew 27:38 and Mark 15:27-28.
- The resurrection of the Messiah from the dead was also foretold in the book of Psalm (16:10) and Psalm 49:15. The fulfillment of that prophecy is recorded in Matthew 28:2-7 and Acts 2:22-32.
If you want to read more of the prophecies Jesus fulfilled, search for 'Messianic Prophecies' or "Prophecies Jesus fulfilled".

Jesus did not speak of any prophet coming after Him, neither did any prophet before Him say so. However, Jesus Christ warned us about false prophets and anti-christs who will come and preach falsehood and gain massive followers (Matthew 7:15).

The bible translations were done by Christians and non Christians. Christians who understand the bible and even non Christians still believe Muhammad was inspired by Satan as no single person could prove he was of God, even Muhammad's followers. Remember he was not made a prophet, he made himself prophet and his wife and companions believed him without asking questions or scrutinizing him.

Muhammad's confession: "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoke."
Is this possible for one who is truly God’s chosen prophet? According to these following people, Muhammad confessed to having received inspiration from satan (qissat al-gharaniq):
1. Al Tabari
2. Al Waqidi
3. Ibn Sa'd
4. Ibn Ishaq
5. Muqatil
6. Abdu Razzaq
7. Ibn Kathir
8. Abu Jafar
9. Nahhas Wahidi
10. As-Suyuti

If this was the case, shouldn’t we question the rest of his messages, like preaching one thing in Mecca and later preaching the exact opposite in Medina? How many persons bore witness that the quran was from God apart from Muhammad? I will also like you to refer me where to read about the prophecy of the coming of Muhammad and God's purpose for sending him (i.e. his mission).

Okokobioko! Terry g is still singing?

Nurozigi:
Smiles

The truth, they say is always bitter. You so much believe in the bible that you are blind to its truth? For the sake of understanding you, what version of Bible do you use?

What was Jesus relationship with the Bible? did the Bible existed during his time? Have you made those little researches I begged you to? I can't answer most of your questions concerning your bible, I just gave you those valid points so you will know the truth even though I know you'll deny it like you just did. Only Allah can guide you bro.

I don't mean to use your Bible against you to prove my points about my peaceful religion. Islam.

Concerning ISIS and rasululah's(s.a.w) teachings, I still advice you to go make research about it. I'm not dodging it. Make the research and bring it to this platform. After all any response I give you concerning that will surely be termed BIG LIE by you even if you know its the truth.

I'm not dodging the simple question about the evidence of Muhammad's (s.a.w) prophethood also. I just said my holy Qur'an and your present day bible are good sources of its account. The reason for misconception is because you either saw it in your bible and claimed you didn't or you never saw it because the version of bible you're using is not showing it to you so you and other similar Christians are living in its ignorance............ no insult intended.

I don't know if your figures are right, but I know Jesus(a.s) was in this world several years before the coming of rasululah (s.a.w) and as a result, Allah made it known in the injeel given to him that Muhammad (s.a.w) will succeed him several years later after he ascends heaven. Yes, he didn't die like Muhammad(s.a.w). This was a pure evidence before your early Christians, pagans most time, changed everything about your bible as a result of these, several versions of the bible with different messages most times are given to you guys to follow dogmatically. In fact those same early Christians killed early Muslims because the Muslims saw and believed the truth in the injeel probably because many changes haven't been made on it then.............Check the dictionary meaning of CRUSADE pls and thank me later.

Jesus(a.s) knew no new bible like the one you're using now, in fact your present day bible is similar to the Muslims' hadiths of today because rasululah (s.a.w) knew no such thing as hadith when he was alive, in fact he prohibited it back then.


Another similarity is that both the bible and hadiths are not God words or Jesus's(a.s) or Muhammad's (s.a.w), they are other people's(who might not have met them in persons all through their stay on earth) account of the duos, they always claim they are anointed by God meanwhile, both Muhammad (s.a.w) and Jesus(a.s) never said this set of people are anointed men of God.

I hope you now see reasons why I say its unfortunate that Christianity found its way into Islam.


As for when/how the bible was adulterated and also who adulterated it, you need to go online to get names and figures to prove me right or wrong bro.............we are both open minded.


Islam is just the perfect religion and rasululah (s.a.w) is the last messanger of Allah to mankind.

Like you rightly said earlier, you know that not all Muslims are bad. But why do you dislike Islam bro? Islam is just the truth, there's room for logical reasoning in Islam, Muslims love each others just that being humans that we are, bad eggs exist as Muslims too. We are not wicked, callous, or mean. We are lovers and respecters of people opinions about us, bad eggs in Islam is not enough of reasons to think Islam is not peaceful.

I was a bad Muslim before, Alhamdulilah Allah guided me to his path. I used to believe the teachings of hadiths, Allah helped me to meet you here to recheck my believe on hadiths.

Even if you're not ready to be a Muslim, pls don't tag Islam as a non peaceful religion just because it harbors non peaceful people as its practitioners. I can't force you to leave Christianity so also those bad eggs can't in anyway be forced to leave Islam.

Allah(God) loves you bro, as well as he love me too. Its Ramadan today, Alhamdulilah I'm fasting because of Allah. I won't be responding much again as I'm advised to get the best from Ramadan before it runs out.

I love and respect your idea bro, I just pray to Allah you understand me in return too.

I sent you a mail here on nairaland, pls confirm it so we can get connected and probably share more interesting views pertaining our religion in the future. Peace bro!

I like your signature, its somehow related to mine.

The main objective here is to ascertain if Islam should be linked to God. So the main question remains How do you prove for a fact that Muhammad is a prophet of God?

Provide this answer for me, stop this "go and research.. search online" thing. It is shameful if you revere muhammad and obey his message whilst not having this basic answer. I believe there is a good number of muslims in this forum who you can ask to come and give answer(s) to this question with either historical facts, revelations or accounts from the injeel as you claimed.... Just provide the answer without deviating from the question.

Have a good day.

olabode89:
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Nurozigi:
About Isis, I'll will advice you to make research too about how their actions are connected or disjointed with that of our noble prophet (pbuh). Listing them here will make our discussion less interesting.

My friend, the question is What is the evidence that Muhammad is a prophet of God? Simple question and you are dodging it.

Also in the Qur'an is the prove of the prophethood of rasululah (s.a.w). As a matter of fact, your bible rightly prophesied his coming after Jesus(a.s) but what power do you and I have to stop your leaders from adulterating your present day bible? Only Christians blessed by Allah will see that.

One of the numerous lies being taught in madrassas worldwide. So, when was the said original bible adulterated and by who?

If prophecy of the coming of nabii Muhammad (s.a.w) is what you're up to, your bible is a good source of that

There is no such thing in the bible; there never was. The bible I have is the same bible that existed even before your prophet Muhammad was born.

Wallahi brother, Islam is the best religion from Allah, its the religion practiced and preached by all the prophets of Allah including Jesus(a.s). Peace bro.

Insanity. Muhammad the founder of islam was born 537 years after the death of Jesus.

I was tempted to rejoice like Sugabelly then I remembered he is not dead yet. However, I, 9inches, on behalf of my brothers and sisters from the East, wish him quick recovery, because we are Christians.

Nurozigi:
Smiles

Unfortunately what you want is for me to live by the acclaimed hadiths of the holy prophet(s.a.w) so you can buttress your points on your view about Islam. Allah is never blind. Without this discussion with you, I would still be in the dark by now, Alhamdulilah. Allah just used you to put me in the right path, insha Allah my prayers are being answered. Thank you for that too.

Have you asked yourself about the kind of life Allah enjoys the holy prophet (s.a.w) to live from the Qur'an? Have you asked yourself how did Allah described the prophet(pbuh) using the Qur'an? Have you asked yourself what the Qur'an said about law formulations? Where should laws be taken from? Have you also checked to know what the holy Qur'an said about the present day hadiths? I believe there's need to get those answers from the Qur'an since you're this close to it.

On me risking being killed if it were to be the time of the the holy prophet(s.a.w), I just smile at that.
Lets you forgot, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived by the Qur'an, Allah's hadith and not the hadiths written by people who have never met with the prophet(s.a.w) in their entire life, I mean from cradle to grave. I'm talking about the imams, the sheikhs, the compilers of hadiths e.t.c.

Its just pathetic that Christian doctrine finds its way into Islam if not we shouldn't be on this discussion. Muhammad (s.a.w) knew why he condemned hadiths because he foresaw this present day Muslims abusing it. The holy Qur'an recognises no sahaba, no imam, no sheikh, no Muslim, no bukhari e.t.c.

And for the truth of it, I believe in Allah and his messengers, his book(Qur'an and not hadith), the angels, the last day, and also destiny. I believe in no imam, sheikh, scholar or whoever might have attributed him/her self worthy of being believed.

Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was the most perfect human on earth and his lifestyle was rightly guided by the holy Qur'an from our creator and he encourages Qur'an as the only guidance to jannat and not biographies written about him by people who claim they know him but do not because that's the same thing the Qur'an encourages. Al Qur'an is the book to give the most detailed biography of the holy prophet of Islam (s.a.w) brother.

Also do you know that the Surat al-hashr you quoted just answered all the questions about hadiths genuineness? Did the prophet(s.a.w) gave us any hadith before he died? Did he prohibited hadiths before he died too?
Of course those questions are rhetorical because I believe you know the answers to them. Alhamdulilah, even the hadiths you respect so much made it known that he prohibited it been written.

This discussion is a clear proof that you know the truth about Islam but you dislike and discourage it. Alhamdulilah Allah used you on me, I hope he uses someone else on you if I can't, so you embrace and appreciate the truth bro. Peace.

Better days ahead.

You still fail to recognize what I am trying to point out to you.

Now let's get this straight. Muhammad is not yet proven to be a prophet of God, likewise the message he brought.

Can you tell me anything ISIS is doing that is different from the life of Muhammad; name just one. Is it possible to condemn ISIS without condemning Muhammad? You get my point now.
Only a fool would say there is nothing good in islam (or any other religion), but that still does not make it the right way to the Almighty Creator. The confusion in the religion is a testimony to the mastery of the devil in telling 'half-truths'. Now check out the meaning of half-truth.

On the flip side, I can tell you a whole lot about the TRUTH, which is JESUS CHRIST. But if you are still up with your defence attitude, I can point out half-truths in your religious texts. It will take us sometime and will do you no good.

We Christians do not follow Jesus Christ just because we were told. No, we believe because everything that happened had been foretold. Many prophets across several generations, who never met themselves had prophesied the coming of the Messiah (Jesus). How can we confirm those prophecies were about Jesus? Simple, the prophecies foretold of the Birth, Life, Death and Resurrection of the Messiah.

So the next question becomes, who is Muhammad and how do we link him to any prophet, prophecy or God/Allah? That I cannot answer, maybe you can give that answer. My sojourn into islam could not provide the answer.

What does it mean IF Muhammad's authority as a prophet is not established?

The answer:
1 John 2:22 And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.

17. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 But test everything; hold fast what is good.

With regards to the 2nd and last verse, you know what happened to individuals who tried to do such test, don't you?

tintingz:
Jesus(AS) was a warner also Muhammed(SA) but supporting Jesus death threatening and cursed speech shows how hypocrite you are.

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Mathew 23:33
"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell"?

Mathew 23:17
"You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred"?

Jesus in the bible at some point drove the market people in the temple out with anger, abeg where is the turn the other cheek?

I'm a Muslim and i believe and respect Christ Jesus(peace be upon him) and I will never insult him like you insulted the beloved Prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him).

I have already addressed these verses. And since you believe Jesus, no need debating further on that.

Go and ask the Jehovah withness they will tell you hell is not a pit filled with fire but grave.

I do not see Jehova witness as Christians. I honestly do not know what they preach. It's like Sunni, Shia and Ahmadiyya thing.

Yes and cursing them.

Curse? That is rebuking evil

I dropped a wiki link where Ibn Ishaq hadiths were forged.

Like have said, there are authentic, weak and forgery hadiths or do you know better than the Muslims?

I dropped two more names, that makes it three accounts.

Lol a learner? it seems you were not around years back when am still very active in religion section

It does not mean a thing. I joined this forum around 2005/2006, but then I was yet to read the quran and the hadiths, live in an Islamic country, know Arabic, debate/argue with muslim scholars, etc. Back then, you probably would have taught me a thing or two in Islam... but not anymore as far as this discussion goes.

tintingz:
My question is, was Jesus the same as Jehova in Old testament bible?

Well since the bible said Jehova repented, I guess Jesus of the bible was the new Jehova.

There is nothing like the term "Jehovah" until the 13th century when Christian scholars took the consonants of "Yahweh" and pronounced it with the vowels of "Adonai." However, according the bible you quoted from, it refers to God. The Almighty One who has been from the day of Adam. The last book of the Old Testament was written at about 600 years before Jesus was born. And no, Jesus came to the earth to become man.

Nurozigi:
I personally condemn the actions of those duos any Muslims like them. it's never Islamic!

Now I see reasons why the holy prophet(s.a.w) condemns hadith. I learnt something from you today. Even hadiths termed to be authentic are never authentic.

Allah's prophet(s.a.w) couldn't have said that. 'Muslim' was given birth to several years after the death of the holy prophet(s.a.w) so how can he compile about the prophet(s.a.w)? Its a similar case with the bible too where most of the apostles who wrote different chapters of the bible concerning jesus(a.s) never met Jesus(a.s) in person. Thanks for that eye opener.

I have a hadith which proves that the holy prophet(s.a.w) condemns hadith, but I won't put it here cos I disregard hadith now. I live by the holy Qur'an like the holy prophet(s.a w) lived. I'm very sorry I have to disregard the hadith you quoted even if its authentic as its not authentic to me.

But one good thing is that Allah(s.w.t) condemns hadith too:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed ? Those who received the scripture recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall Not harbour any doubt.
The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:114-115

I was a fan of hadith before even when I knew it was condemned by the holy prophet (s.a.w) but with this hadith you quoted, you just showed me the light. Thanks a million.

I'm still in for the discussion, probably I'll learn more helpful things about my deen. If you can quote any Qur'anic verse that asked we Muslims to kill and you can also explain why and how like you quoted the recent hadith, then I'll tell you why Islamic ideology is peace and not the other way round. Peace.

Because I'm working, I will cite just a few texts to save time. Many like yourself have tried to dissociate Muhammad's life with the message of the quran (a.k.a follow my words but not my actions). Is that not hypocrisy at its best? Why should a great and influential figure like Muhammad not want his biography told? Does that not sound fishy to you, it would mean he wanted to hide that lifestyle of his.

Well, to break it to you, I am yet to see any imam or Islamic scholar who does not recognize the sura contained in the hadiths. In fact, Islamic caliphates take a lot from the hadiths to formulate their laws. So, you are waaaayy down the rung of the ladder to make such a choice as to disregard the hadiths.

(Surah al-Hashr ayah 7) "...And what the Messenger gives you, so take it, and what he prohibits you, so refrain from it. And be in awe of Allah. Surely Allah is stern of punishment."

How do you know what the prophet has ordered, in order to obey it? what he judged in disputes so that we can abide by it? what he has decided on matters, so that we can submit to it? what he has given, so that we can take it, or what he has prohibited, so we can abstain from it?

The answer is: read your hadiths. If you deny its validity then you may end up disobeying what the prophet has commanded, turning away from what he has judged, rejecting what he has decided, ignoring what he has given, and doing what he has prohibited.

And if you do these acts of disobedience, turning-away, rejecting, ignoring, and doing-the-prohibited then YOU HAVE DISOBEYED ALLAH. It's that simple. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to obey both the Quran and the Sunna.

In summary, you are not allowed to pick and choose in Islam. You have to believe whatever your imams/scholars tell you. You don't just believe and practice islam just the way you want it; in an ideal Islamic state/caliphate, everything is dictated just like it was from the time of Muhammad down to Abu Bakr and the rest. You would risk being tagged a hypocrite, and probably be killed if Muhammad were to be alive now.

tintingz:
Of course parable will always involve. Lol.
So he(Jesus) of the bible cursed his enemies, condemned them to hell and you still support it? Is that not hypocrisy.

He is not just man, He is divine as well. Only Jesus can save, remember. He has the authority to condemn as well. However, the part you are referring to is like a warning to the folks He was speaking to. What would befall them if they die in such state of evil they are living in. That same way, Christians preach heaven and as well hell. There won't be repentance if you do not let someone realise the consequences of what he or she is doing. But when such a sinner repents, God's is ever ready to forgive.

Well to some of your Christian doctrines believe hell means grave, so I'm sure he meants sending them to their grave.

I do not know of any such doctrine. For the record, I am a catholic and there is no such belief. Heaven and hell are for those who have already left this world.

And I thought you said Jesus in the bible fogave his enemies, those speech are death threatening and hate speech.

Yes He did (and still does) forgive, but He never shied away from condemning their evil ways.

erm, NOT all hadiths are said to be authentic, some are weak while some are forgery.
Quoting from Ibn ishaq most of his poems, hadiths are forged

Ibn Ishaq's account forged?
Waqidi’s account forged too?
What about Ibn Sa'd's version, forged as well? Amazing!

I laugh in latin, you are obviously a 'learner' in islam.

tintingz:
What about this verse from the bible where Jesus(AS) never abolish the laws before him.

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

All those killing order in the old testament was ordered by Jehova which you christian now called Jesus.

Start from verse 1 to verse 48 to get the full understanding. He explained what the people were getting wrong about the laws (commandments).
Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law and to teach the people who have the law but do not have a good understanding of it.

I will urge you to read the New testament. It is not much, you will actually enjoy it while reading. It is quite engaging, especially conversations between Jesus and the Jews, Pharisees etc. You do not have to be a christian to read it and it won't make you become one by just reading it. Give it a try. If you have any confusion or question, you may ask.

kolatcole:
if u say islam means submission, then u tell me d language u got ur meaning

Use your google search and save argument time.

kolatcole:
if islam was truly an occultic group as u said,it wont b called 'islam' because d meaning of islam is peace.so if u ar ignorant and dnt av anything reasonable 2 contribute,u can jst scroll down on other tins dat might interest u

Boy! Islam means 'submission', not peace.

Now, thank me. And do not misfire again.

Kassidy90:
U gave account of how prophet Muhammed (pbuh) ordered d killing of a blasphemer from one hadith that u saw online (smiles) just because it suit ur perspectives towards Islam u never bother to check the authenticity, now someone gave u a direct verse from Holy bible that support the killing of blasphemers not even any other religious book, here u are saying Jesus said ....I hate people giving Islam a bad name but with people like u that doesn't respect other people s believe trying to condemned them n claiming ur religion is the true n perfect one I don't see any peaceful coexistence in d nearest future, do your thing let me do my thing.

Exactly, I would not have known what to search for if I had not read the hadiths before. I am sure I know islam more than you do because I lived in an islamic country and understand Arabic. I have debates with my muslim friends using the untranslated version of the quran.

Nurozigi:
Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) fought battles too, I mean yes, he killed unbelievers. Pls rightly quote where it was said that the prophet(s.a.w) should kill in the holy Qur'an and explain what led to such incidents. probably because of blasphemy, or he was just commanded to go and kill for killing sake or for Islam or whatever.

If you succeed in that, then I'm ready to prove to you that Islam is a peaceful ideology. More reasons why your close Muslim friends are peaceful. peace.

Lukay99:
it's always better for you to give references when making allegations against any religion (e.g verse number or what chapters numbers)

Just incase you missed it:

9inches:
According to several hadiths, Muhammad ordered a number of enemies executed "in the hours after Mecca's fall". One of those who was killed was Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf, because he had insulted Muhammad.

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:270, see also Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:59:369, 3:45:687, 4:52:271

It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like).

— Sahih Muslim, 19:4436

source: wiki

Nurozigi:
Allahu Akbar! I'm very happy about the fact that you have close peaceful Muslim friends. The same religion which serve as backbone to chaos as you claim was why you called them Muslims I hope.

You've studied the Quran and some versions of the hadith, probably the parts that have something to do with the backbone as you rightly claim was what you studied most, its going to help us in this discussion.

Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) fought battles too, I mean yes, he killed unbelievers. Pls rightly quote where it was said that the prophet(s.a.w) should kill in the holy Qur'an and explain what led to such incidents. probably because of blasphemy, or he was just commanded to go and kill for killing sake or for Islam or whatever.

If you succeed in that, then I'm ready to prove to you that Islam is a peaceful ideology. More reasons why your close Muslim friends are peaceful. peace.

You are right, I studied more of the non peaceful parts of islam. Reason being that any peaceful text does not require much studying. Peace is peace and no one would like it to change to opposite meaning. However, going into the dark side of the islamic religion, the intent would be to ascertain if the said verses are really what people portray it to be. Then you delve in further, start asking more questions, doing more researches, engaging in debates with scholars and muslims of different levels of faith, and so on.

At the end you discover that even islamic scholars of repute differ in their interpretations. As if that is not enough shock, you are then hit with the 'moderate' (un-Islamic) muslims' concept of "Islam is how you understand and interprete it", which would then raise the question 'Why is Abu Rumaysah or Anjem Choudary's understanding and interpretation condemned IF such concept should hold?

Many muslims like yourself will always say that Muhammad engaged in violence and slaughtered human beings in self defense. But the truth is mohammed and his men fought and killed anyone who opposed his views and his prophethood. Remember, the situation was not different during the time of Jesus. But muhammad being the egomaniac that he was, would not tolerate any living being who held a different belief.

Near the end of his life, Muhammad directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case:

"The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346)

As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized. The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.

Ononikpo umunwanyi 1

tattedMONK:
Get your facts right Mr. do you mean believer/followers of Christ are different from Christians? he just quoted the bible and your reply is based on Muhammed and Jesus, aren't they the representative of Christians and Muslim? wasn't the bible revealed through Jesus to Christians? or are u saying Jesus doesn't follow the teachings of the bible?

Muslims would quote 100 verses from the bible which are contrary to what you're been taught in churches and the Christians would do the same. At the end of the day its down to what you want to believe and practice.

Religion generally brings confusion among people

It seems you have another derivation of the name 'Christian' than I have shown. The old testaments are contained in the bible and they are not direct teachings of Jesus as they were already in place centuries before Jesus came. He however came and redefined the laws which people have been given in the old testament through Moses. Jesus came to explain the commandments and live it, to set a standard. Jesus' interpretations by word and actions are the basis of Christianity. Same way Muhammad instituted the tenets of the islamic faith, that makes him a standard of measuring the islamic faith.

(John 13:34-35) "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”

(Matthew 5:44) "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."

You're dead wrong! At the end of the day its NOT down to what you want to believe and practice. Rather, it what the ideology preaches and portrays. Muhammad in this case is the founder of that ideology and he as well lived/portrayed the ideology, which any sincere muslim should fully submit and be committed to instead of living in denial under a secular state. The quran called such muslims hypocrites; Muhammad himself would slay them if he were to be alive now.

Nurozigi:
Smiles!

You must be a Muslim to have quoted me in this manner.

Islam is not a peaceful ideology?

Pls I'll like to know why you saw no peaceful ideology in Islam.

Only with the mercy of Allah can the truth be seen, brother. I hope you meet that mercy before you leave the earth.

Pls I'll still like to know why you saw no peaceful ideology in Islam. Probably we can both learn new things. Peace.

Don't misunderstand me, there are loads of goods in Islam, peacefulness inclusive. But the atom of violence and intolerance in it contaminates the good side. You know what, the world would probably not care about Islam if not for the fact that every terrorist finds a huge backbone in the quran and the hadiths. I have close muslim friends who I would not exchange for a lot of christians that I know; not even if I receive 10million naira in addition. They are that good. But then, I pity them because of the ideology they are trapped into. A good number of them would on occasions conceive the thought of apostatizing, but the thought of facing the consequences would always be a deterrent.

I don't want to say much now, I lived in a 100 percent islamic country, understand arabic, and have studied the quran and some versions of the hadiths.

A na m anu Same way buhari 'begged' traders to reduce the prices of their commodities in 1984.

I wanted to rejoice for this news, then I remembered I criticized Sugabelly when she rejoiced over the death of Governor Abubakar Audu.

I came here to check names. This report is not complete yet biko.

Nurozigi:
Now that's an act of blasphemy. The Quran is not and has never been in different versions like your present day bible.

Pls watch your tongue and know Islam is a peaceful religion but Muslims might choose not to be.

No sir! It's the reverse - Islam is not a peaceful ideology but some secular muslims chose to be peaceful; those are the hypocrites spoken of in the quran who are regarded same with the jews and christians.

IyfeNamikaze:
is there any difference from what these people did in kano and what is obtainable in Saudi Arabia the cradle of Islam? let me guess, they too are not practising the true Islam. so let's go to Iraq... same things happen there... I guess thee people no be real Muslims so let's now go to UAE or Qatar... same thing is happening in these countries. Pakistan and Afghanistan are not left out.

All these countries where Islam is dominant behead people for flimsy reasons. so who now practise true Islam? The yorubas . And guess what?? they are called impure Muslims.

ISIS practice true unadulterated islam. That is where muhammad would live if he is still alive. They are the ones promised a higher place in jannam (heaven).

Anseth:
With due respect to all Muslims. Please is the practice of Islam in The most Islam dominated countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, qatar, Irag, Afghanistan, etc.. where such act are carried out on daily basis and even indicted into the laws of such countries, is it different from the Islam that our yoruba Muslims practice ? please who amongs these muslim practices the real Islam..

The yorubas practice watered down islam because they live in a secular society governed by a secular law which does not permit some aspect of islamic practice. True muslims, like the founder Muhammad, do not separate religion and way of life. Islam is not only practiced as a religion, it is lived as a lifestyle. I am yet to see or hear of any muslim who has challenged ISIS face to face concerning the verses they quote while bombing, slaughtering, enslaving and even raping captives.

Don't get me wrong, all my (moderate) muslim friends are peace-loving and nice people. I would not even trade them for some of my christian friends for 10 million naira. They are that good.

tintingz:
Does these verses in the bible look like Jesus forgave his enemies?

(Luke 19:27)
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Quoting from the Parable of the Ten Minas. You failed to establish any killing or order to kill, try again.

tintingz:
(Matthew 23:33) You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape [b]being sentenced to hell?[/b]

You are sentenced to hell only when you die. Again, you fell flat on your face in your effort to establish any order to kill by Jesus.

Muhammad himself, with his own mouth, ordered the killing of Abu Afak (The life of Mohammad, Ibn Ishaq, Page 675)