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True, OP

1.7 million years old man made bridge challenges mainstream history: https://www.infinityexplorers.com/1-7-million-years-old-man-made-bridge

If these research findings are true and more of such are found, it will become a statement of fact that ancient humans (homo erectuses) also made a lot of key milestones in science and technology as modern humans (homo sapiens) are currently doing, and that almost all the technologies we built and use today had also been designed and used in the homo erectus era, as Otem says.

OtemAtum, please what do you think about the question in the first line of this picture below and the answer given?

melodyogonna:
The first 4 - 5 minutes is actually the relevant part I want to highlight.

Okay

Seun, kindly consider this suggestion please. Your platform has impacted lots of Nigerian youth in many ways, and creating a history section where members can discuss black history, African history, world history, and related aspects will further help educate youth and engender positive social changes in our society.

Thank you.

melodyogonna:
He had a lot of manuscripts that he didn't have the time to publish. His son edited and published the particular one this was based on. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion

Okay. The video looks lengthy and will consume a lot of data. I will watch it as soon as I can and compare the content with this thread.

Thanks for sharing.

melodyogonna:
Yeah

That's interesting. The author died in 1973, yet this content was credited to him, even though none of his works has the title of that video.

melodyogonna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHLyviVamA - The early part of this almost bears similarities with the early chapters of this thread. But this is only fiction by Tolkien, yet it brought my mind to this thread.

Is it the same J.R.R. Tolkien that wrote the book, The Lord of the Rings?

AnfieldFan:
This is actually a dummy clone of Salah

Yea, I know. It's a wax statue.

Sallah's twin? Hmmm

TheSourcerer:
Nope its proof that evolution actually took place. No way proof of a God

Nature is marvelous. Looking at the picture below, it's clear that humans and apes have a common ancestor.

The resemblance is so glaring.

Konquest:
All the best.

Interesting.

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha

Your post entails the term scientology. I think I was the one who used the word on this thread.


Ok forget it... Laugh ṣo gbọ

I didn't know any post that mentions scientology on Nairaland is referring to you.

Are you a scientologist? There's nothing to laugh about in your posts.

FOLYKAZE:
I dey catch cruise jeje, you dey pick fight. I never said science is scientology. Take your war elsewhere

Did you see your moniker in my original post you quoted below? Obviously, it's not there; yet, you're already thinking of an e-war that doesn't exist when I never mentioned your moniker in the first place.

You can stop mentioning me now.

A001:
When you don't know the difference between science and scientology, then it's clear your education is nothing but a waste.

Confused fools.

FOLYKAZE:
Lol....!

Who says science and scientology is the same?

You just angry over unnecessary issue. Taa.

You're even more confused than I had thought.

Was Our Universe Created in a Laboratory?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/was-our-universe-created-in-a-laboratory/

FOLYKAZE:
Why are you taking things too personal?

Copy and paste this your silly question on Google; maybe the site can educate you and your ignorant friend above on how science is starkly different from scientology.

When you don't know the difference between science and scientology, then it's clear your education is nothing but a waste.

Confused fools.

Better to ignore the rantings of that guy suffering from a maniac condition.

vinceyinnovation:
[s]If in science no fact, law or principle is beyond questioning that means even the field of science is really a RELIGION because even it's followers does not have absolute certainty.

Hence, THEY ARE INSECURE... your researchers are your preachers and you their followers gulp every theory and pour it in nairaland! How are you different from religious people?

A white man makes a law they call in Boyle's law, charles law...
The followers quote it, preach it. Just like book of peter, james, john. The only difference is one talks about concrete things, the other virtues (not concrete and intangible).
Place of worship of science: school

SCIENCE ALSO IS A RELIGION...

ATHEIST SHOULD PROVE ME WRONG...

I CAN CITE MORE EXAMPLES TO PROVE IT...

The white men brought religion for e.g christianity to Africa, the white men also brought science.
SCIENCE IS ALSO A WHITE MAN RELIGION.[/s]

Read this tripe again and tell me you don't know you've an undiagnosed mental issue.

Such incoherent gibberish!

Workch:
I know, but he knows what I mean.

His definition of God includes even a lifeless chicken

Yes, I understand you.

I also understand his own position as well. In African spirituality and the Otemic philosophy, everything in existence (both living and non-living) is God, which means a great source of energy with no specific form or a great consciousness in the latter philosophical approach.

Workch:
Energy is not God, that's your personal definition of God which is different from the universally accepted definition

There's no universally accepted definition of God or anything in existence. All concepts and names used on Earth are man-made and are peculiar to our world and characterized by our level of perception and brainpower (generally speaking).

Workch:
We don't know all things but we know what will happen to humanity if we don't leave this planet to mars.

Yea, that's true. Thanks to futurists like Elon Musk, it's possible to establish a human colony on Mars in the next two decades or thereabouts.

Workch:
I don't think there's nothing we don't know about our place in the universe.

We are doomed if we don't even get out here in the next 1 million years, humans are inconsequential to whatever happens in the universe

I don't understand what you mean here. Do you mean we know all things there's to know about the universe or our place in it?

By getting out of here, do you mean the earth or the universe as a whole?

vinceyinnovation:
Atheist all over centuries, past to present thought that saying "there is no God" will give them peace...

But still they have no peace...

They still need to do an atheist Evangelism to get converts to satisfy their conscience...

Why do they still feel insecure?

Atheism is yet another religion with doctrine called science. Preachers called scientist/researchers and members called atheist, who can fume, argue like other religious fanatics do.

This post only shows your high level of ignorance about how science works. In the world of science, there are no dogmas and absolutes.

Considering these, calling science a doctrine shows you don't know what a doctrine means.

In science, no fact, law, or principle is beyond questioning. What is called a doctrine can't be questioned.

Workch:
Agnostic view is OKay bro.
I think about it sometimes as well, but one thing we are sure of is that the Christian description of a God has been disproven. We are sure it doesn't exist, but for a deistic God? We don't know yet

Yes, I agree with your views (or facts) on the Christian description of God or the Islamic one, they both look childish and dull.

Workch:
If you perceive God as energy then I cannot argue with you because you are also energy, a chemical energy in this case.

Going by the definition of energy, it means everything is energy and everything is God

I think that's really the truth or is close to the truth.

But then, until scientists understand nature and the universe better, and our place in the universe, the highlighted is subject to further questioning and skepticism.

Workch:
I have made a lot of arguments, some are trolls while some are kind of intellectaul. Today, I want to give you scientific reasons why a creator most likely doesn't exist.

I am going to explain this using the lawof conservation of energy, law of conservation of mass and theory of relativity. I will try and synchronize them to make my point clear.

The law of conservation of energy states that in close system, energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another. This means that a system always has the same amount of energy, unless it's added from the outside. ... The only way to use energy is to transform energy from one form to another.

The law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as the system's mass cannot change, so quantity can neither be added nor be removed.

What this means is that, if the universe is a closed system, it means that mass and energy have always remained constant, since the universe is 100% energy and mass, it means that the universe has always existed, it was never created and cannot be destroyed. The keyword here is "closed system" it brings us to the question of whether the universe is a closed or open system. Before we discuss that, we have to chip in the mass/energy equation from the theory of relativity, which says energy is directly proportional to mass E=mc^2. So wherever you see matter, it means it's energy and vice versa.

Is the universe a closed system? If the universe is a closed system it means that the universe can always existed on its own without a creator. If the universe is an open system, it means that it gets energy input from outside which also implies that the law of conservation energy also applies from that source of energy. For the purposes of your question, the answer is probably "closed". You could have come to that answer just by asking yourself why it is that you care whether it's open or closed. The reason you care, I assume, is because you want to know whether the law of conservation of energy and similar laws apply. So then, why does whether it is open or closed affect that? Because an open system might have energy added to it or subtracted from it by an external source/sink of energy. So then, shouldn't it be obvious that if you think the universe isn't connected to anything else, or you define the word "universe" so that it includes everything that could possibly affect anything, then there's no reason (at this level of discourse) the laws of thermodynamics wouldn't apply?

So thermodynamically, the universe cannot be an open system, whatever causes the exchange of energy with the universe is automatically part of the universe and that realm clearly still operate within the confines of the law of thermodynamics.

So it doesn't make sense scientifically that the universe was created.

This is an insightful piece.

Anyone with a strong background in science, especially Physics, can also make a strong argument for the existence of a creator of the universe scientifically, or even call the universe itself a system (God), which all things in existence are components of.

While there have been numerous perspectives on the existence of God or a creator of the universe in history, in recent times, I find Otem's philosophy on the subject quite deep, especially due to the fact that it looks scientific.

About the universe being a closed system, and the highlighted part of your post, the Otemic philosophy is based on some of those propositions highlighted in your post, with detailed explanations given in Otem's thread below and in OtemAtum's book of history.

The thread offers an interesting perspective on the Beginning of the Universe, which really has no beginning nor end since time doesn't really exist:

https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

My own position on the subject of God's existence or non-existence is agnostic. Due to the current stage of the scientific understanding of our universe, I find that position convenient.

I'll try to attend it.

Does anyone have a soft copy of this book?

Modified:
Got it: https://pdfcoffee.com/socrates-and-orunmila-two-patron-saints-of-classical-philosophy-by-sophie-b-oluwole-z-liborg-pdf-free.html

Cambridge University to return Benin bronze to Nigeria in historic moment:
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/benin-bronze-return-intl-gbr-scli/index.html