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I've better things to do than engage mentally slow people. Make una wail, wail, wail. Later in the day or tomorrow if I'm less busy, I'll check to see how you're faring with una wailing

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Africa is really the headquarters of m.orons and dolts. Lols, tell these fools now to explain the relevance of the existence of their fictitious Jesus for Africa and you'll start reading even more stupid comments.

Religion has really damaged people's brains deeply. Lols.

BlueRayDick:
Link to what exactly ?

U've been asking for primary source as if u need to hear from someone who was alive over 2000 years ago and still alive now before u can agree a certain existed. I have pointed u to the fact that historians , as in real historians and not some "otemic intelleshua" in their works attested to the fact that indeed a young man named Jesus was birthed that period.

What has always been debatable among historians is if indeed some of those things recorded as miracle actually did happened, were exaggerated or never happened at all.

Lols, I asked you for the relevance of your fictitious Jesus Christ to an African in modern times. You ignored the question because obviously your fictional lord and savior is as useless as the "p" in "psychology" for Africans. The gospel of Jesus Christ, a crook, a Roman creation, and teacher of the "turn the other cheek" philosophy, even makes Africans dull and mentally lazy, which is why the continent has remained backward and is contributing almost nothing to world's development today.

Most Africans are so dull and unintelligent. How would an African be using Tem's name to abuse someone? Why are these people so daft? It's like using the name of a scientist, who, when compared with Einstein, would make Einstein look like a primary school student, and a m.oron will be using such a name to abuse another person.

Lols, the stupidity I've witnessed on this forum is legendary and one of a kind,

When you use Tem's name to abuse, I'd stop posting here? Lols, very funny and silly.

Add the achievements of the greatest scientists since the Age of Enlightenment about 600 years ago, their combined achievement is pale in comparison with what Tem, the founder of ancient Egypt, achieved in the past human eras.

Tem, Ifa, and many other past humans are who every African with a working brain should be using their achievement as a source of pride because these are ancestors of Africa that have written their names on the sands of time and will be remembered by thousands of generations to come.

Gather yourselves and cry all day about Tem. You're just wasting your time and tears for nothing. Religion has really damaged a lot of brains in Africa. As science grows, Tem and other ancestors of Africa will become popular again as they were in the past when more and more African scientists discover their works and develop them further.

Make sure you join the wailers and wail about Tem all day. When you're done, tell us what you achieved with the past wailing.

Spy360:
The bolded are enough to strengthen my faith. Thank you for sharing this gospel.

Lols, you're welcome.

BlueRayDick:
Arguments/discussions are not meant to be won. It’s about putting out facts and verifiable data that trumps ur discussant’s views on the matter . A researcher should know this .

Show me works of researchers who believe Jesus the man didn’t exist and I will show u tens of articles by scholars of antiquity who concluded the historical Jesus actually existed .

It’s not by throwing shades or snide remarks ; that won’t do justice to the knowledge u claim to possess.

The post I stated above is all I've to say about the subject. And that's because this topic is trivial to me. I don't see the relevance of the existence or non-existence for me as an African in the 21st century.

So, no need to be wasting time discussing fictional characters in posts over posts. A typical African, especially a Nigerian, faces lots of challenges in modern times.

How does the existence or non-existence of Jesus solve any of the serious challenges? What's the relevance of Jesus to an African in the modern world? If you can answer these questions, I'd know the topic is worth discussing.

I should leave my work and the books I'm writing and be sleeping and waking up on Nairaland then as a jobless person.

Some of the information I put here are things I sacrificed a lot to learn in rare books and traveled to villages to learn from old people and see if it's possible to "see things for myself".

So, unless it's absolute necessary for me to discuss some topics extensively, I'd rather discuss some subjects in my papers and books.

BlueRayDick:
If I decide to engage u beyond 2 to 4 posts on this matter now, u will insult me a little and then drop ur usual escape route line “ I don’t have time for silly arguments”

For a guy who prides himself to be a scientist and researcher , sincerely u write as one who is incapable of putting his ideas out there in a civil manner .

I can don’t envy those who try to have civil discussions with u offline

I've better things to do with my time than unnecessary back-and-forth on Nairaland.

Mostly, I don't have the time for unnecessary arguments offline, too. That's why most people that know me offline would say, "he doesn't talk".

The rare times I do, I only argue about topics I've researched deeply about and with highly intelligent people that can add to my knowledge on a subject.

You can't win an argument with a foolish person, who doesn't care about logic and facts in engagements.

Whether online or offline, I don't talk about what I don't know.

Anyone that does an independent research on this issue would realize Jesus Christ is simply a creation of Romans. You don't have to be an Einstein to reach this simple conclusion.

The Romans took the history of a real person, Yeshua (note the 'eshu' at the center; it's there for a key reason), who had existed in the pre-Homo Erectus era and again in the Homo Erectus era. These Romans removed many key details about him and rewrote his history as a white man for their campaign to rule the world.

All the so-called supernatural abilities of Jesus were natural abilities of the human species that existed in those eras. Nothing special. All the accounts of miracles are tricks and illusions, which magicians do routinely in modern times, and dem don cast.

Nothing special about your Jesus. A pure Roman creation.

On a rare occasion, I can use the word "Jesus" here when talking about real humans to avoid unnecessary, time-wasting arguments.

But as a matter of fact, Jesus should be mentioned among other fictional characters such as superman, batman, and co.

BlueRayDick:
Almost all scholars/historians agreed the character Jesus existed. What’s debatable was whether the miracles credited to him in the Bible happened as they were narrated or they never happened at all.

Almost all scholars/historians in your town or where? Nairaland no go kill me with laugh this morning

Spy360:
Josephus and Tacitus

Lols, so you believe a real person can feed 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and two fish? Lols, you believe this in the 21st century? In today's information age?

Spy360:
Jesus is a historical figure not fictional.

Says who?

Kobojunkie:
All the more reason why you should be able to explain the connection between the known Binary system and this system here you also refer to as the binary system. What you keep saying does not make sense. :-\

It cannot make sense to an African that has installed the virus called the Bible in their brain. It won't make you think clearly and deeply.

Kobojunkie:
So no one is able to ask questions of the many claims you continue to make on this? OK.

I didn't make any claims. I stated facts, real historical facts backed with science.

All the languages spoken in the world today were invented by some past humans. That's a fact, not a claim. Languages don't just drop from heavens like manna or come from fictional characters like Jesus.

Who is Ifa to you? Let's start from there.

Amoto94:
Only if the neo-liberals/pseudo-liberals had read The Road To Serfdom and Constitution of Liberty by Hayek they would have understand that no ideals/orientations existed without a form of coercion or persuasion and sometimes a combination of both.

Everyone sees your form of coercion or persuasion at play in the activities of your brothers, Boko Haram members and other terrorists around the world that seek to make Islam the only religion of this planet.

It's the same terrorists that go about attacking Isese practitioners at night and conniving with judge to remand them unjustly for defending their cultural heritage.

Animals want to force the cultural heritage of the Arabs on Yorubas while they attack Yoruba people for defending their own heritage. And you're talking about intellectualism.

Read all sorts of silly literature and make sure you intensify your efforts to propagate and spread Islam in Kogi State then as a real intellectual. Lols, a real intelligent person with a working brain knows what the spread of Islam means for him as an African.

The growth of Islam in Africa means death for African cultures and traditions.

Laying claims to intellectualism when you're mentally weak and docile. Intensify your efforts for Arab culture, especially Islam, to dominate and kill Ebira culture then as a real intellectual.

You can't lay claim to intelligence and still be worshipping another race as a slave and be promoting the culture of such people to dominate and replace your culture.

Anyway, I know people, like you, don't think sha.

Those of us that promote the native cultures are fake intellectuals because we refuse to worship an entity we consider as equals. But once anyone embraces your masters in Saudi and submits his soul as a Muslim, they've suddenly become great intellectuals.

You're only wasting your time. The more Muslims clamp down on Isese and the native cultures using violence, coercion, and force, the faster your religion dies.

Animals that only understand one language: forcing others to submit to Arabs whether they like it or not.

Kobojunkie:
Do you? Cause you seem not to have even a basic grasp of what the binary code system is about.

Lols, I'm a physicist. Again, I don't entertain unnecessary mentions.

Kobojunkie:
None of this answer any of the questions I asked.

▪︎What exactly are you saying?

▪︎Invented his own codes to be used for what purpose and what examples of the use of this code can we review?

▪︎What exactly are you saying abeg? An entire human language was invented from this supposed "binary number system" invented by Ifa? Explain!

▪︎Where is the record of these codes invented by Ifa taken from?

Give me one genuine reason why I should answer your questions. Just one.

I'm not here for silly arguments. If you're intelligent enough to ask questions like this concerning your fictitious Jesus Christ, the world would be a much better place.

Asking me silly questions to appear intelligent.

sod09:
From Islam to otem to isese
When you don't have a brain of your own this is what happens
Apoda🤣🤣

Continue making foolish comments all about. Isese is Yoruba culture and I'm a Yoruba. If you've a working brain you'd know why I promote Isese as a Yoruba man even though I'm an agnostic; it's the same reason why an Arab promotes Islam and a Chinese promotes Buddhism.

But I don't expect dolts to understand this simple Issue. Otem is a nairalander, who advocates people to promote good aspects of their culture instead of foreign cultures.

Obviously, religion don damage this one's brain totally.

You go wail about Otem tire. Wail, wail, wail, as more and more people like Otem arise in different parts of the world. I've more important things to do.

sod09:
Ma fi ejo pami

Lols, I gave the information for the public, not you specifically.

Mumu wey no understand binary codes. Na empty brain dey your head before.

Happy Isese Day to all Yorubas and lovers of Yoruba culture around the world!

sod09:
It’s safe to say Messi is irunmole ton gba ball

If those Greek methodologies are real he will be standing beside the likes of Zeus, Poseidon, Thor etc

Zeus, Poseidon, Thor are humans that existed in the past human eras, just like Ifa. All these are higher beings, but still Zeus, Poseidon, and Thor are of greater hierarchy without taking anything away from the greatness of Ifa.

Zeus, Poseidon, and Thor are ancestors of the Greek and Nordic areas. They're in the same hierarchy with Olorun, Chukwu, who are ancestors of Yoruba, Ibo respectively.

Even in modern times, humans have hierarchies. Kings have hierarchies. Players have ranks. The same applies to every profession.

Zeus, Poseidon, Thor, Chukwu, Olorun, Atum aren't philosophers. They are founders of nations.

Those humans built a whole country, a whole civilization.

Even some of them ruled over a whole continent in the past human eras.

Atum was one of the key founders of ancient Egypt and used waves to communicate with the black people indigenous to the country, teaching them complex codes and calculations used to build those pyramids and other wondrous structures.

All these are past beings higher in hierarchy than Ifa.

Ignorant people think Zeus and co are myths. But they don't understand why, for thousands of years, these names have never been erased from history and can never be erased from history.

In the future, if various disasters (natural or otherwise) make modern humans lose most of the world's history as it happened with the past eras, future human species will also consider Messi, Ronaldo, Einstein, Newton, and many of us existing today as objects of myth.

Ifa is synonymous with greatness.

Kobojunkie:
What exactly are you saying?

Invented his own codes to be used for what purpose and what examples of the use of this code can we review?

What exactly are you saying abeg? An entire human language was invented from this supposed "binary number system" invented by Ifa? Explain!

Where is the record of these codes invented by Ifa taken from?

Lols, you think the 1s in that photo are just there for fun or the Ifa symbols (codes), which are 256 in number, are just there for nothing.

I can see you don't recognize binary codes when you see one.

If it was a sensible person that asked the question, I'd have given an elaborate response.

But knowing your antecedents on this forum being a Christ worshipper, I don't see any need to delve into the issue.

Just keep believing Ifa is a demon to serve Christ well.

Asking me questions about basic facts a typical Yoruba should know. Maybe you think the various dialects of Yoruba spoken today dropped from heaven.

Past beings such as Olorun, Orunmila, Ifa invented Yoruba language in all their dialects the same way some modern humans invent programming languages in various versions today.

Photo of the day for me. The 256 codes of Odu Ifa shown in the picture are marvelous and wondrous especially when compared with the 256-code encryption system used in modern times.

Yet, Ifa, who existed at the beginning of the Homo Sapiens era, invented his own codes in what's called the binary number system today. The Homo Sapiens era is estimated to be roughly 300,000 years old.

I've always wondered how one man could develop Odu Ifa corpus using complex calculations and binary numbers to invent various dialects of Yoruba language, poems, idioms and proverbs, medicines, which form the key aspects of Yoruba culture practiced by over 50 million Yoruba people today in Nigeria and in different parts of thr world.

I studied the life of Ifa and found him a much greater philosopher than many of the best philosophers of the West.

Something (ATR) is a set with as many as 500 elements and even more, and you took just one of the elements and equated it to the whole set. All these Nl arguments wey no get head or tail sha

BlueRayDicks:
You don't need to use insulting words like "ignorantly" , "mumu people" to make ur points while we are having a civil discussion. Experience has shown that people often resort to that when they are losing their grip on the matter being discussed.

Talking about promoting our culture, Lagos state has declared work-free day in commemoration of Isese day, Oyo state government and Ogun state did likewise.

Remember it was on this very thread I informed u Lagos state house of assembly set aside a day in the week in which they conduct plenary session in Yoruba ;an information u confessed not to have been aware of prior to that moment and commended the house for. Lagos state also has a day reserved for civil servants to wear Yoruba traditional attires to their respective work place.

Like I said earlier, there are several academics, scholars and ATR practitioners who do a better job at promoting Yoruba culture but do not go about cussing at adherents of other religions.

As regards ur attempt at playing on semantics with Oro is just an aspect of Isese, well I believe we've been talking about African Traditional Religion(ATR) as a religion and Islam and Christianity.

You're not making any sense at all.

When you're done with your unnecessary shalaye, a person that demonizes his ancestors and cultures while promoting foreign ones who are even worse will always look ignorant and foolish to intelligent people.

A Yoruba that calls the Yoruba creation stories a myth but believes the Arabian version is nothing but a big fool.

When you understand the points you're making, you can let me know. You've not made any reasonable points so far as I don't see how Oro practice is equivalent to ATR or Isese.

A001:
***Copied***

HAPPINESS

August 20 declared Isese Day in Lagos and Oyo States, Nigeria.

Great first step.

We are waiting for Osun, Ondo, Ekiti and Edo to follow suit.

We say Merry Christmas and Happy Sallah to Christians and Moslems in Nigeria.

We greet them with all our hearts when they celebrate their religious festivals.

We are hopeful that they will begin to reciprocate, rather than continue to call us devil worshipers, idol worshipers and pagans.

A ku odun Isese o.

I have given my workers in Nigeria a day off on Monday, August 21.

If you have Isese practitioners working for you, perhaps consider giving them the day off in the future.

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Picture shows me with my design of all the 256 codes of Ifa.
I'm also using a laptop that is coded exactly the same way with 256 codes.

Source: Prof. Moyo Okediji

The respected prof makes a lot of sense. But I should condemn and criticize Isese to be fair to the Muslims and Christians, who routinely call my ancestors and forebears and my culture the worst of names.

Smh

***Copied***

HAPPINESS

August 20 declared Isese Day in Lagos and Oyo States, Nigeria.

Great first step.

We are waiting for Osun, Ondo, Ekiti and Edo to follow suit.

We say Merry Christmas and Happy Sallah to Christians and Moslems in Nigeria.

We greet them with all our hearts when they celebrate their religious festivals.

We are hopeful that they will begin to reciprocate, rather than continue to call us devil worshipers, idol worshipers and pagans.

A ku odun Isese o.

I have given my workers in Nigeria a day off on Monday, August 21.

If you have Isese practitioners working for you, perhaps consider giving them the day off in the future.

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Picture shows me with my design of all the 256 codes of Ifa.
I'm also using a laptop that is coded exactly the same way with 256 codes.

Source: Prof. Moyo Okediji

reccy:
You need your head examined! You are too extreme on your takes and is affecting your mental Health.
With this your temperament,
one can only imagine how your sermon will be if you're still a muslim.... You are the perfect example of people you accuse in Islam. Extremist and fundamentalist!!!!

Lolz. Leave Islam kor, leave me ni. ..

You know I'm the author of your Qur'an and Sunnah and drafted your Sharia laws now. Just go and type the nonsense you've typing here anywhere around your brothers in the North, then they'd show you the real Islam using Sharia laws.

BlueRayDicks:
My initial post on this topic was in response to ur post in which u claimed Isese practitioners don't wage war against Muslims. This has already been established to be false.

Later u move on to claim Isese is relatively peaceful but I'm still waiting for ur response to my question that : In what world is killing woman who innocently/ignorantly flout curfew hours termed as "relatively peaceful "?

If we want to scrutinize religions, let's scrutinize each and everyone of them, let's not because of bias condemn one totally and cut the other some slack.

There are several Yoruba academics, scholars and traditionalist who promote our culture without insulting adherents of other religions.

You cited an example of Oro worship, and I told you Isese means the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions.

Religion, under which Oro worship belongs, is just an element of Isese. I've not seen any tangible point you've made so far.

Several times on this platform, I've condemned and criticized bad aspects of Yoruba culture and other local cultures such as worshipping a deity, human ritual sacrifice some adherents do, and others.

And yes, I'd cut the Isese people some slack because left to the Christians and Muslims, Yoruba culture can die and be replaced with the cultures of the whites and Arab respectively.

If you don't understand this simple fact, then I'm not here for unnecessary back-and-forth.

I've more important things to do. It's only an African I've seen you'd type 1000-word posts just to explain the importance of promoting the native cultures.

SMH.

Before you waste your time to quote me further, any time you see my posts here, keep in mind these areas are my bias: Philosophy, Science, African Cultures and Traditions, and History.

Those are my interests. Don't expect me to criticize Christianity and Islam the way I'd criticize Isese as a Yoruba because I'm here to promote the good aspects of Isese in the first place.

So, don't waste your time and mine. Africa is under the rule of Europe and Arabia, and you expect me to be condemning the local cultures that have endured years of slavery and colonialization.

You've not made many reasonable points. The default state of most Africans is to demonize and condemn the native cultures due to the influence of Christianity and Islam.

This is what millions of African do and have been doing for a very long time.

And you're saying I shouldn't cut the local cultures some slack?

I shouldn't cut the cultures, which you and others like you have already ignorantly condemned as evil and demonic, some slack.

Don't worry. I'd join other mumu people all around and be calling my ancestors demons now, so I can be fair to Christianity and Islam.

It's arguments like this that make me avoid this thread and Nairaland generally these days.

BlueRayDicks:
Allow those that want to practice Islam, Christianity and even Traditional religion practice their religions. U can always condemn the evil done by religious people, but stop denigrating one religion to praise another.

Every religion has their issues. That's common knowledge.

Again, I don't see the relevance of these posts at this period.

I'm here to promote my culture and correct the false historical facts peddled by adherents of Islam and Christianity, who seek to destroy African cultures and traditions and replace them with the Arabic and European cultures

If you've issues with that, it's none of my business.

Arabs promote their cultures and traditions, which Islam is a key element of; the same thing applies to the whites, the Indians, the Chinese.

That's what every right-thinking human does.

And you're telling me to allow people practice Islam or Christianity as if I erected a barrier at the door of every shrine of Yahweh or Allah, your churches and mosques preventing people from worshiping their imported deities.

I've not seen any tangible points in your posts so far on this issue.

You don't expect right-thinking Africans not to scrutinize and criticize ridiculous religious beliefs in the imported religions and in the local ones.

If you don't want your religious beliefs to be scrutinized or criticized, then deep down in your heart, you must know they're a sham.

Every philosophy, religion, scientific notion/theory should be questioned and scrutinized. That's how we separate facts from fiction.

That's how societies move forward and develop.

BlueRayDicks:
How is Isese relatively peaceful when I Just showed u evidence that their adherents kill ex-members for leaving and "revealing their secrets"?

Every Yoruba knows Oro worshippers will kill a woman who innocently/ignorantly flout their curfew hours. In what world is that a peaceful act?

The word "relatively" is the key. I said Isese is relatively peaceful and you singled out Oro worshippers?

Is Oro worship the totality of Isese? Can you cite verses of Odu Ifa where Ifa or Orunmila or any other local deities specifically commanded their worshipers to fight against or kill non-Isese people?

Yorubas are generally known for their accommodating nature, and a Yoruba person is arguing against the fact that Isese is relatively peaceful.

Where do you think Yorubas learnt their accommodating nature from if not from Isese?

Do you know what Isese means? Or you think it's just a religion or all about Oro worship?

Isese means Yoruba culture and traditions, and the religious or worship aspect is just an element of these. Isese is very broad.