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This fugazi basketball analyst don start again. Man's brought up highs as proof that an era is better, now them don disprove his argument he is going back to averages.

We're not even going to mention the fact that Bird had over a dozen games of 45 and above points to further rubbish his argument.

Bottomline is anyone with even basic knowledge of stats that due to the proliferation of 3's in today's game it would be easier to match the career highs of players of yore. All it takes is two big 3pt shooting nights and another night you get all the foul calls in your favor. It's that simple

I'm glad this placebo analyst brought up KD. I bet he didn't know that KD won 4 scoring titles in the space of 5 seasons. Could have won 5 in 6 seasons and only lost to Melo in 2013 cos he played 14 more games than Carmelo did.

Got hurt in 2015 and his teammate Russ won it and then we know what happened in 2016.

Do you think Jordan would have won 10 scoring titles if he was joining team to team like today's players do. Obviously not! But how is that supposed to be a knock on Jordan?

Didn't James Harden win scoring title 3 years in a row? So what is so competitive about this era that one man cannot dominate such award. You mean if he stayed in Houston and didn't pull off his antics he couldn't have shot for 5 in a row?

Tellwhat:
That's your opinion brother. Nobody knows for sure if sugar Ray was going to mop the floor with this current prime Canelo who's a well rounded savage

Are you seeing the mugs he is fighting? Caleb Plant? Julio Chavez Jr

Man's was smack dab in his prime getting gift wrapped dodgy wins against an aging GGG. Sugar Ray would run circles around him. Only Muppets who know nothing about boxing would argue otherwise

joshboo:
A casual would see this stat line abd start to dey foam for mouth, how would julius randle, i mean randle shoot 16 3's in a game and you tell me the game isn't flawed today?

this is the height of uselessness for a big man to shoot this ton.

These clowns simply don't think. You will see a stat line like this and still be asking how Jayson Tatum is able to match Larry Bird's 50 point record. Meanwhile 16 3's mean a potential 48 points and that's not even factoring free throws. These are the kind of halfwits we are dealing with.

So this is the supposed highlight of skills. Your ability to spam 3's

birdman:
Since when was height a measure of athleticism or being strong. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley are both very tall and big but thats about it. When we say bigger stronger, faster, we mean the combo. To be big like KAT, strong enough to dunk and block shots, fast enough to dribble the ball and score, and skilled enough to win a 3pt shooting contest. Give me someone from the old era with that skillset. I'll wait!

Alaye. What does a KAT do better than a KG, Hakeem besides shooting 3's? In terms of pure fundamentals and all round play.

I just told you the only difference between the 90s and this era is the 3pt shooting so your argument is completely moot. Everyone wants to be like Steph now.

That's why I challenged anyone to show me what this era is better at besides shooting more 3pointers

Khanben:
You are mentioning the very best players. I will argue that what determines a great era is the quality of the average player, and the average player now is a far better player than the average player then.
For goodness sake, the best online in the 80s was arguably that of the then Redskins and none of them weighed 300lbs.
Put out any olineman with guys less than 300lbs in today's game andany average front 4 will destroy them.
The average sportman now is faster, bigger and stronger than those in the 80s and 90s, with better nutrition and more advanced recovery process.

So what is the quality of the average player now? Which body measured this and certified it better. This is such cap and lazy punditry

You are using an outlier team that were great and tying it solely to their size. Bear in mind the Redskins O-Line were smaller than even the historically great O-lines of all time. In a position historically with the most size and the least skill. How does that help your argument as to how athletes are better or stronger?

The average sportsman is faster, bigger, stronger una. By what metric With all their nutrition and recovery why aren't they beating the feats of yore at a higher clip. Why are they not jumping higher and further? And don't give me the average sportsman kinikankinikan that nobody can prove or verify

Tellwhat:
This man. Let me just Agree to disagree because it's obvious you're being biased

I have come across this type of arguement too many times.

But is there any sports where you don't hold this same view of always rating the older generations ahead I strongly doubt there's any

I look at the era. I look at their abilities. I don't just yield to the lazy narrative of newer is better. As with music, electronics, cars and down to Sports a newer version of something doesn't necessarily make it better

donlittle25:
I just no want talk. Imagine watching the fights between Ali, Foreman, Frazier

Ali losing to Frazier
Foreman Losing to Frazier
Ali beating foreman
Ali beating Frazier

Watch all these fights and just tell me Guys were just standing and banging.

I watched a video of Pele the other day, and the video highlighted the skills players of today are doing, and side by side, Pele was also doing the same skills. I mean it was almost a replica. Imagine someone like that today with advance technologies?

I am not even trying to say Pele is my goat, but i will not come here and disrespect 80 year old men that says thats their goat.

I don't like arguing with these people. They think the players and athletes today are reinventing some imaginary wheel. That's why I keep asking them let them tell me one player who is doing what the league has never seen before besides shooting a whole bunch of 3's

I won't even go as far as Magic, Stockton and Zeke. In terms of pure PG play how many PGs today are as good as Jason Kidd or Kevin Johnson

Tellwhat:
You're just exaggerating

Sugar Ray Leonard was beautiful to watch and highly technical but he's definitely not going to mob the floor with canelo just because he flows beautifully

Lol do you watch the mugs and tomato cans Canelo is fighting in this present era. Dfkm

Boxing is clearly at its nadir

Tellwhat:
There's always an exception. Also Boxing is an individual sport. It's not so easy for an individual sport to evolve
Nevertheless boxing has surely evolved in its own little ways.

Fighters like Mayweather and canelo are proof that boxing evolve

And the boxers that are expected to rule tomorrow have started mastering their craft at a very young age and also trying to model their career from people like Mayweather

Don't be surprised in the new future we could see an evolved heavyweight. Someone as fast as Mike Tyson with a defence like Mayweather

Boxers are not athletes? Wetin you dey yarn nau this guy. How isn't it supposed to be easier? Aren't today's boxers supposed to be bigger, faster, stronger.

I can guarantee you Hagler and Leonard would have wiped the floor with Mayweather and Canelo.

I also want to see the offensive lineman today that Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor wouldn't have absolutely destroyed on the field.

Tellwhat:
Their defence, technical brilliance. This guys are perfecting the art of boxing and not just stand and bang

Lmaoo. Did you watch Sugar Ray Leonard?

Go and watch the matchups of the 4 Horsemen and come back and show me the boxers of this era that can match their brilliance.

Sugar Ray would have mopped the floor with Canelo. It wouldn't be a pretty sight

Tellwhat:
Maybe

But so many analysts still argue that Donald is better than Taylor

Personally I don't like comparing different eras

Which analysts and which flavor of meth are they smoking? Or is it Canadian loud? No reputable analyst will be stupid enough to compare Aaron Donald to LT

Tellwhat:
One thing is sure. The sports evolve

Athletes of today are expected to be better than athletes of yesterday and athletes of tomorrow should be better than athletes of today

People should stop giving excuses and acting like players of past era were untouchable

Why hasn't boxing evolved? Why are those guys still better than what we have now

DTs and Defensive ends nko?

We're not infinite beings so there will always be a cap to our evolution in terms of physical abilities

donlittle25:
What kind of maths did you do? 5 points from 5 threes

If bird shoots 3 3s a game and make 2 that's 6 points.

If Tatum shoots 8 3s a game and make 7 that's 21 points.

Lol abeg don't mind our Jelosinmi ambassador. I said even if we're going to be that ridiculous. Is 5 points not a substantial deficit on a nightly basis?

Last night Jayson Tatum took 15 3's. In Bird's era entire teams might take 10 3's in one night. If that doesn't tell any reasonable person that scoring has been inflated then nothing else will

Khanben:
I just want to make one observation, it seems to me like nba basketball is the only huge sport where people constantly say that the average player from an older era is better than those currently playing.
In football, no one ever says that the current era of players are worse than those Maradona, Pele or Cruff played against even though we all know that they were also rule changes put in place to remove excessively dangerous tackles and tactics.
Same with the NFL, I have never heard people argue than the average player in the 80s or 90s are better than those now even though they have been a plethora of rules changes to make the game less physical and more safe.
The question then is, why is the nba different?

This is a lazy argument. Every sport has their golden era so that you're newer doesn't make you better, perhaps certain rules might have been implemented to make the game a bit easier does not mean you're fundamentally better at your core.

It's like boxing. You want to tell me these era of middleweights and heavyweights will compare to those of the 80's? Or the heavyweights of the 70's? Come off it.

Which wide receiver today compares with Jerry Rice? Which running back today compares with Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith. Which defensive player compares with Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor

Just say you're biased to your new era and go. Because diminishing the players of that era means you're inadvertently downplaying the greatness of those players due to their competition.

Jayson Tatum takes 8 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 24 points

Larry Bird takes 3 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 9 points

Even if we want to entertain your zany argument for a second, are you suggesting that a player capable of just 5 more points at the bare minimum on any given night is not at an advantage. Never mind when he can take as much as 15 3's on outlier nights. Why won't he match Bird's 50 points. It's not rocket science. Think!!

Anyone with functioning eyes can tell scoring today is massively inflated. I repeat and maintain there is nothing extraordinary about this era besides the inflated 3 point shooting. That's it

If Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullin were taking 8 3's per game they will also be doing 29pts. More 3 point shooting = More inflated assists. The numbers today are inflated due to the heavy amount of 3pt shooting

birdman:
When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

The only thing this era does better than the era of old is Spam more 3pters. That is literally it. Whatever athleticism you're harping about their fundamentals will easily cancel out. I don't like arguing about this stronger, faster trope that hasn't and cannot be verified by any respectable organization

The great players of any era will also dominate this era. That is neither here nor there. Today's league will not know what to do with a Hakeem or an Embiid.

Nobody said what Tatum did is easy. We're saying it's easier when you can shoot 15 3's a night!!!

Roland17:
It's like comparing Reggie Miller's, early part of R. Allen's era to Curry's era of 3 point shooting and then going ahead to make a point that Curry achieved it in significantly lesser amount of games as the main argument against Miller/ Allen.

Bird achieved his last 50 point game aged 32, if that doesn't give anyone the context about both era's and scoring then nothing will.

When we say average Bronsexual no sabi anything about the game they will call us old heads and other foolishness. How do you call yourself an analyst and gloss over such a basic fact.

Roland17:
Why you dey waste time with the education? Pesin get mouth to talk about era but struggles to understand the dynamics in the use of the word era. These things write themselves...

Lol you have to check em for those wey dey uninformed about basketball that might just be viewing as guests. A guy is taking almost 3x more 3's than Bird did. He better be scoring more 50pters

So basically spamming more 3's is what defines the greatness of an era is what our resident basketball aficionado is telling us

birdman:
The man is 37. Obviously this Lebron is not at his peak. The fact that he can run with the young uns and not need oxygen is a miracle. We thank God o

Lol make we leave that story. That is the common trope we always hear even when he was younger. Then when he loses it's cause he is lacking help, so which is it. It's either he makes nobody better or does not have sufficient talent. Which would be laughable to suggest if we roll out his support cast to that of other historical greats

Larry Bird at his peak was taking 3 3pters per game. Jayson Tatum is taking 8 3's per game but our resident Sherlock does not know why Jayson Tatum is matching Larry Bird so quickly. Critical thinking nsogbu di

For context Jayson Tatum attempted 15 3's today

Good to see our Akwa Ibom brother doing well. Was worried he was going to flop with the Celts

As for the Nets. I don't know what it is but something is terribly wrong with that team. There's just a softness and lack of grit that their talent cannot solve. I worry about them in the play in game and I won't be shocked if they failed to make it

aliondo:
To think that Lebron is having one of the best seasons of his career and the Lakers are underperforming is absurd...

Lool but they said he makes others better. So why are they always complaining he has no help. People really need to pick a struggle

I told y'all Jayson Tatum was that dude didn't I?

Tellwhat:
Honestly that narratives is overplayed

Everywhere I go keep seeing this same thing as if harden is the only one who's had a bad game in the playoffs

When you check his playoffs you will realise that him being a choker is heavily overrated

I just don't get the hate towards harden

Is it his fault that he lacks support and most teams double him especially during playoffs

If cp3 was healthy this harden being a choker talk would have never come up. If harden and Kyrie were healthy last season him being a choker would be a ring of the past

Harden just needs a ring so he finally gets the respect he deserves.

Harden I phenomenal and special. He tormented the league in the era of the great Holden state

I just randomly screenshoted this I didn't even know it would one day come in handy.

If you want to argue further we can breakdown his numerous chokejobs and playoff underperformances

birdman:
I had to slap my hands from the keyboard

I wan know whether na the same Harden wey get 11 turnovers for one game or the same Harden that shot 2/11 against a Spurs team without Kawhi

joshboo:
i no go even bother reply am, except no be same james harden wey dey OKC before. It's just a couple months more the real harden would show up.

I dey confuse make e clarify

Tellwhat:
This complete bullshit and media propaganda

Harden definitely doesn't Choke in the playoffs. A bad game or two doesn't make someone choke
And besides his supporting cast in those playoffs were weak not to even talk about the strength of his opposition against him alone. If cp3 was available harden would have won a chip

Harden was loyal to Houston and made them reach a position where they shouldn't have reached he was the backbone of that team year in year out for years and then when he realized the team wasn't importing he decided to leave and wanted to go to Philadelphia but the rockets didn't want that and then they made business with the nets. Lots of people complained about harden yet he carried the nets and wasn't selfish to be the third man and despite that he was still dropping reasonable numbers and triple doubles.

Last year despite the hamstring harden still tried his best and was available whereas Kyrie was unavailable. Nets were so close to beating bucks and would have likely gotten a ring if they had won that series

I don't even understand why everyone likes to shiit on harden both with lies and half baked truths.


Harden is na awesome player and the most unique offensive player in NBA. A healthy harden and embiid will take on any team. Leaving an unmotivated nets was the best choice. Harden and embiid both want to get a ring badly unlike kyrie and durant... Besides a harden/embiid ring is more credible than harden/Durant/kryrie

Did you just say Harden doesn't choke in the playoffs? I know you didn't just say Harden doesn't choke in the playoffs

When I say LeNomad na professional stat padder. Baba still enter court down 30 entering the 4th quarter. Nothing consign am with winning games again now na just to pad numbers dey go

Ohh btw I wonder what he thinks about the play in game now

And that DeAndre pass

joshboo:
As in, Bron would always be Bron. Now him dey try out the blame in Pelinka who Cleary wanted buddy heild etc. Bron na chief assembler, once the assembling cast him go jump ship. Now na that young Cleveland team him Wan go scatter. Imagine all this nonsense & he expects people to recognize him as the Goat? imagine letting Caruso go just because you Wan assemble team. No be curse, dem no go make the play-in, talk more of the play-offs

I'm convinced his ancestors were Fulani or Berber. Always in migration. That's why I call him LeNomad

Android22:
In the words of Carmelo Anthony "Nigga, you the GM". That is what he said to Lebron.

Lol abeg free these dishonest folks. If that team was clicking we would be hearing LeGM and all other nonsense. Nobody would mention Pelinka's name as the brains behind the roster. They want to have their cake and eat it

birdman:
Guys everything is not hate all the times. Sometimes be calming down. It was Pelinka that tried to coopt AD and Lebron into this, saying that they supported his lack of action at the trade deadline. Those ones came out through their camp that said they had no hand in it. That is as far as we all know. Everything else is speculation to draw traffic. I cannot blame Lebron for refusing to be used in Pelinkas politics. Everyone should man up and own their actions.

Some of these issues are so straightforward, the way you guys try to lebron everything, ko make sense. My 2 cents.

Lol. Why do you Bronsexuals always have an excuse to bat for this man even when he's in the wrong.

I bear no hate towards him. I am not a fan yes but you will almost never see me accuse him of what he's not guilty of. There's no critique of mine about him that extends beyond basketball lines.

Are you going to sit here and pretend Lebron is happy and didn't want Pelinka to make a move? Whatever you feel about Pelinka don't you think his readiness to acquiesce to Lebron and his posse is what led to this mess?

LeNomad's constant fraternizing and flirting with other GMs does it paint Pelinka in a good light? Is that leadership? To not have the principles to stick to your troops and battle to the bitter end?

Khanben:
A chip is a chip, i swear if it was anybody except for Lebron people will not be talking about any covid break. Timmy has 1 ring because of a lock out shortened season and nobody talks about it.

Bwahahaha. Don't even go there. 2 of LeNomad's 4 chips came from lockout/shortened seasons and not even a notorious anti Bronsexual like myself ever uses it as a counter argument to discredit Lebron Blames even further.

Khanben:
The Celtics won one chip with that trade and after fleecing the Nets has done nothing with all the boat load of picks they got. This is my very issue with all this lebron slander, teams have traded away way more picks for less results, than what the Lakers have gotten and nobody gives them grief for it. Worse we talk as if they have no assets, if the Lakers put Lebron up for trade next season teams will still put up an unprotected lottery pick. AD is still worth multiple 1 round picks, so which future did they mortgage away.

They won a chip and went to the Game 7 of another NBA Final. They were competitive for 4 seasons Compare that to the Lakers who were relevant for one season and their future is now in jeopardy

The Celtics were able to parlay those picks from the Nets to get Kyrie, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. They might not have won a title but they made two Conference Finals and at least have key pieces to keep competing. So yes they did fleece the Nets by squeezing as much juice from KG and Pierce and still able to flip those to Tatum and Brown

Nobody is giving you a lottery pick for a Lebron on an expiring contract. Don't con yourself. Especially with this Bronny business

As for AD only a stupid GM will give up multiple picks for a guy that has clearly shown he cannot lead a team. And has zero track record of being healthy 10 years in the league

Khanben:
Under Kobe the Lakers had 7 years without a chip, after Shaq left, nobody killed him for that. This Lakers team still has a shot at another title till Lebron contract runs out.
The Raptors gave up and all-star, a shooter and a 1st round pick for a one year rental. If Lebron had been a member of that team, you will be screaming to the heavens that he was the one who forced the deal.

PS: D Ainge was practically worshipped in Boston for more than a decade and all he had to show for it was 1 championship

Are you seriously comparing what the Raptors gave up for Kawhi to what the Lakers gave for AD? They got Danny Green and Kawhi for essentially DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and Keldon Johnson. Are you kidding? How do you even compare that to what you gave up for AD?

What shot? I promise you if not for that bubble break no way LeNomad wins that last title. With this Russia and Ukraine situation maybe another break will fall LeNomad's way who knows?

Danny Ainge got to two finals, only missed a chance at another final because KG was hurt. The Celtics maximized their trade. The Lakers haven't. Fluking a championship and fading to irrelevance while mortgaging your future is not maximizing