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ElGuapo: It's embarrasing to see some Chelsea fans share in the pack of shyte claim that Hazard is all about flash.

Such idiotic claim lacks horse sense.

We all know how easy it is to label a player a success just b'cos he's playing alongside winners.

Hazard is more talented than Müller, if he were to be German or a Bayern player, i'm pretty sure his name would be on the lips of A-40 and Dayokanu every day!

Those are Chelsea fans that know what time it is! You should listen to them

FYI Müller is a big reason why we are winners to start with and it shows both for club and country

I would never sing about a player who has done nothing in elite Europe or at International level, I know better than that

ElGuapo: Laurels are won as a result of collective effort, so it's in no way the best criterion to use in judging who a better player is.

Pique have won more laurels than Thiago Silva, does that make him any better than the brazilian? Hell NO!

When i argue about who is better, i look at what the player has to offer not team success.

Wrong analogy again! What's your point? Pique used to be better than Thiago Silva

ElGuapo: 40 Hazard isn't about flash, dont take that talk outta here.

His 12 goals and 10 assists in 2011 ensured that lille won the ligue 1. He followed that up with an impressive 20 goals and 15 assists in 2012 - finishing as the team top scorer despite playing as a winger.

Hazard is about flash! His brilliance has only shown at league level he is yet to do diddly squat in any international competition for club or country!

If his 12 goals and 10 assists won the league what then should we say about Moussa Sow who dropped 25 goals in the League alone with 3 assists to boot. You can now see that your initial claim about Lille being trashy was dead wrong

ElGuapo: If we're to minus Hazard's goals and assists from Chelsea's last season's stats, I'm pretty sure we'd be sitting somewhere outside the UCL spot.

That's how effective he is.

Sucks for Chelsea then since they still went on to win zilch

ElGuapo: When push came to shove, these lot failed to deliver. The stats are there to put you right.

Hazard made lille thick!

Moussa Sow with 25 goals and 3 assists failed to deliver?

Gervinho with 15 goals also failed to deliver?

If Hazard was so good and the only one making things tick then why did Lille win nada after Sow and Gervinho left?

Looool you are just being a fanboy

ElGuapo: I'm pretty sure Forlan played with better teammates at A'madrid compared to Aguero.

What do you mean by better teammates? Better get your facts straight Forlan met Aguero at Atleti and they left the same season

Forlan was sheriff Aguero was more like deputy

ElGuapo: Mind you, i've always stated that Müller is good.

Just that you shouldn't rate him higher than superb talents like Eden and Aguero cos they've enjoyed lesser success.

Hazard shits on Müller with his drive, vision, guile and close control, Müller shits on him with laurels - it's that simple.

So na Müller no get drive, vision, guile and close control? ROTFLOL. Müller is better than Hazard and Aguero put together. The day Hazard and Aguero make any impact in International competitions not local ones you can come back and we can have a discussion

tobiboss: Looks like we're no longer signing luis, i'd say let's go for rojo of argentina, which club does he even play for?

Probably Sporting Lisbon I'm not 100percent sure

tobiboss: i agree with you, people like flashy players too much, muller is very effective, he performs no matter the stage

You obviously pay attention to details

Ibime: Muller is a King in the game. As of now, Hazard has done nothing to merit comparism.

Luck permitting, Muller should write his name into the history books with the most World Cup goals if he is not injured for the next one.

Spoken like an elder! You suppose dey drop pep talk and lecture for El Guapo. We are talking of proven warriors like Müller who have done it on every stage El Guapo dey mention Hazard and Aguero

ElGuapo: 40 my man wants to argue big time this evening

I know where you'd be hoping to score cheap points off in this - laurels won, it's that simple.

Naaa! No one is scoring cheap points! Winning laurels is why the sport is being played to start with

ElGuapo: If we're to argue on individual brilliance, worth and the ability of the said players to single-handedly lead a team, then Müller is nowhere near James Rodriguez talk less of Hazard and Aguero.

There is difference between flash and substance let's bring out Müller's numbers and compare it to Hazard's or Aguero's or Rodriguez's. Rodriguez ko Poloma ni. We dey talk of player wey dey perform for League, Champions League, World Cup you dey mention local champion like Hazard and Aguero

ElGuapo: Hazard and Aguero made some thrashy Lille and A'madrid sides look decent years back, you think say Thomas fit exert such influence?

No make me develop unnecessary hatred for Müller with this ya hypes - he's just a good player, there's nothing special about him.

Lille thrashy? The same team with Gervinho, Cabaye, Moussa Sow et al? Are you a learner?

Aguero made Atleti decent? What would we now say about guys like Forlan that actually won them trophies

Abeg stop comparing local champions to Tommy Gunn Müller they are not in the same timezone. It takes a good student of the game to recognize how good Müller Time is

ElGuapo: Mate this whole debate came about as a result of Hazard's poor outing at the 2014 WC nothing else.

So relatively, Ronaldo, Aguero, Iniesta et al who had a poor world cup must be inferior to Müller - this is according to your inductive logic.

The lad just had a bad world cup and that is it, a comparison between him and Müller is a different debate all together.

Müller is better than Aguero! Ronaldo and Iniesta at least have the CV to beat their chest and call this bad WC performance an outlier. How does their case apply to Hazard who is definitely not in their class?
I am not arguing based on their World Cup performance alone even if Hazard had a better World Cup he is still inferior to Müller I was merely reiterating it if anything

J12: Hazard didn't just have a good world cup and that's all. It happens

Müller is better that is my point and as basis no dey for comparison then na so e no dey now

ElGuapo: Muller must be better than Aguero, Iniesta, Ronaldo et al too?

C'mon mate, you dont use the WC to judge who is better than who, we've seen greats who've been uber-nonsense at the mundial.

The lad racked up two assists, cut him some slacks.

I don't get your point are you saying Hazard is better than Müller? And what is Aguero doing in your list? Müller is proven for club and country and has been disturbing elite Europe for years now which Hazard is yet to do. How you chose to relate Hazard's case with Iniesta and Ronaldo who have also done their bit for club and country is beyond me

What a race! Very unlucky for Rosberg but Hamilton was exceptional! Its ridiculous how fast and far ahead of the rest the Mercs are

The highlight of the race for me was the Alonso/Vettel battle

Loool Hamilton cannot stop shatting the bed! Why on earth did he not run another lap? Surely he would have been able to finish higher than 6th on the grid. Anyway he would probably zoom past the 4 guys ahead of him including Vettel but whether he is able to catch Rosberg barring any safety car incidents is another story

Super drive from the Vettelmeister today! Hopefully he can finish on the podium if his car doesn't give him any issues

J12: Can't believe how Hazard flopped perfectly today against the argies. What a waste

People were comparing him to Müller here once upon a time

El Guapo: Well said.

OT - Is there any Wimbledon thread around? Me wan go show my support for Roger cos I know he's landing yet another title, even when the world wrote him off.

Djokovic go beat am

[quote author=p_kasso]David Luiz has shamed all his critics at this WC.Anyone who still thinks Boateng is better needs to have their head checked.[/quote]You better wait for the Germany game first! I would hate for you to have to backtrack your statements after a David Luiz howler against Die Mannschaft

El Guapo: You dey mind Chic2pimp

I dont expect Ozil to start in the hole when Kroos is in the team, the latter would always get the nod. Having Mezut shunted from left to right is quite understandable, moreover, he aint new to the flanks.

Me think the decision to have Howedes manning the Lb is to provide the defence line with steel of some sort, he isn't doing bad anyway, just that we're lacking some effing extra-width down that left side.

That said, Loew's selection today was spot on.

I think it depends on what the opposition presents because playing 4 players outside their default position is not good enough. He has rectified that to an extent (albeit Mustafi's injury forced his hands) but at least Boateng and Lahm are now back to their default positions. The issue is we can shyte on Mesut all we want but he is not a winger and while Müller and Götze can do a job on the flank as well that is not their natural habitat! You are never going to get them at their best

There is plenty of work to be done! The midfield looked a tad disjointed in the 2nd half, Kroos didn't do much after the delivery for Hummels's goal and the team generally looked sluggish and lethargic at times

Brazil is ahead and you know those guys are ready to die on the pitch! They want it badly and my boys Die Mannschaft have to show they want it more. Simple as that

chic2pimp: .
WORLD CUP 94
EURO 2000
WORLD CUP 2006
EURO 2012.
I'd gladly take another wobbling and fumbling to another finals in 2 years time thank you very much.
The Uruguay match had nothing to do with "Not being desperate enough" and all to do with the Red Card.

Lool you guys didn't do enough to qualify jare! E be like say na that England win close your eye to the fact say una no perform well enough. Who tell you say you go reach another Final by 2018? All streaks come to an end

And no I no buy that argument about that red card! It didn't directly lead to a goal did it? All you had to do was not lose! You lost. And that was all she wrote

El Guapo: Oboy see balanced team.

Never knew Loew had brains - this is simply what we've been asking him to do for long.

I'd only point out the highline strategy and trying to keep an offside trap as the team's achilles' heel, it's not been working for a while now.

Go Die Mannschaft, we're winning this!

I'm still not confident with Özil and Höwedes being played out of position! Those boys didn't play too well but I can't complain

toba: Pathetics. I'll take it that you can’t describe you own character. Or how else will STFU be an answer to a simple question?

Afi pathetics na. You expect me to explain myself to a halfwit like you? Are you terminally mad?

toba: How? Aren’t you the one that said you can insult someone's entire generation? Anyone who can insult someone else's entire generation lacks class. Simple

I'm only letting you know I have no permanent enemies here! If you take my posts too seriously na Yaba Left you go wind up last last. Anyway you interpret my words na your own palaver

toba: This' the second time you mentioned STFU. Running out of steam

Running out of steam? Lmao! For your mind you be Ironman ba?

toba: Because both of them led to Germany scoring goals.

And?

toba: How many are they/should they be?

It varies from goal to goal. Your opinion is not the only valid one and neither is mine

toba: You're still talking nonsense. Can you talk about the goal without mentioning Kroos? That’s football. Someone must fail to do something in order for a goal to be scored. Messi scored a fine goal again Iran cos the Iranian failed to stop him when he started dribbling them. That's football. Enyeama made mistake that led to Pogba's goal. Goal must be scored. Can you talk about Pogba's goal with mentioning the french player that took the corner that Enyeama fumbled?

So the mere mention of someone's name means he contributed to the goal? What kind of ret@rd is this! Why do you keep listing and comparing deliberate attempts on goal to that of Kroos? How can you even list a magnificent finish by Messi in this argument? Where is the similarity?

How can the French player get credit for an elementary cross Enyeama was supposed to save? This eediot is not even considering the degree of difficulty and just analyzing with a one-track mind. Enyeama would shoulder the blame before the French player even gets any credit. FACT

toba: that’s what football is all about. Suarez scored against England cos Gerrard headed a ball back. Hazard scored against Bayern last August in the super cup, when we Neuer should have saved the ball. Errors must happen in football. Thats not excuse. If Upson was alive, klose shouldnt have scored the easiest goal, as the commentator described it. The defender was poor too like Alves too. What are you saying?

How was Neuer to blame for the Hazard goal? Which kin soup be this? Wasn't that goal almost identical to Ribery's albeit from a shorter distance. Who was Kroos's cross meant for? Nobody in particular!

toba: No its about errors in football. That alves made a mess of himself is comparable to what Oliver Khan did in 2002

How can you compare Alves's mistake to Oliver Kahn's? Even after Kahn's miss an alert backline could have still cleared the ball whereas Alves had no business miscontrolling a cross while he was under little or no duress. Some errors are pardonable and others less so! are you too thick to understand this

toba: Smh. What have you been doing since? What can you call your attempt to discredit my claim regarding kroos' contributions to 3 goals out of 7? Kroos contributed by his deliveries of 2 corners and the cross that led to Muller's goal

Kroos had 2 contributions not 3! And prior till today he had just 1 assist to his name. He also wasn't among Germany's top 4 players at the group stage like you claimed was the case on whoscored.com

His grand-total is now 3 goals out of 10 with a paltry 2 assists, none from open play despite playing in his preferred position and featuring in almost 450 mins so far. Decent 'contribution' but not enough to beat your chest like a deranged Silverback like you have been doing all this time

Very dodgy performance but I'd take the W. Just enough was done to advance

What can I say about Neuer? That guy na monster! How can you save such a shot with just one arm and yet he punched it so far away France could not capitalize

Overall I would still pick Mats Hummels as the Man of the Match. He was flawless at the back and scored the winner! You can't ask for more than that

toba: Nope. That’s just one of them. I know you for criticizing sites that doesn’t agree with your views, hence for you to tell me if you accept what goal.com offered in terms of rating.

You can check goal.com for that

E be like say the wire for your brain dey touch! When I asked you to post your ratings remember I told you to at least give us the criteria they use! Let's even forget the fact that goal.com is hardly respected in the comity of football sites, I have told you why I rely on whoscored.com because they get their stats from Opta which is a well known and respected data and stats warehouse

toba: Here yourself out. I asked a question any similarity from the two sites? Before you start rating a site above the other, firstly i had to bring it up here for you to determine if both ratings are close. Even after 3 games, by the ratings on goal.com, Gotze isn’t rated above Kroos. This lame excuse of players being out of their position is BS. Is lahm playing his natural position? Is toni kroos also playing his natural position?

If you had even a basic understanding of maths then you don't need to ask me such a stoopid question! Isn't it obvious that goal is rating Goetze much lower than whoscored.com is. Why are you so talented in asking dumbass questions like this?

By recommending whoscored.com instead of goal to back your initial assertions it only shows me you didn't do your homework

Exactly! Lahm is not playing in his natural position which is why he is also not one of Germany's best players at a major tournament which is an anomaly. Kroos is playing as a CM if that is not his normal position then please tell me what it is

El Guapo: That's if we ever decides to give history some thought.

I personally dont believe in history or past events having significant effects on the present or future. I'm a realist, I believe in the present.

Prior to the WC, all i saw was an Azzurri team that had collection of names who cant match the talents on parade in world football - It was quite easy for me to predict their woeful outing.

They've been stubborn enough not to have on ground a programme that'd promote the development of young talents across their leagues, they've been stubborn enough to rely on the experiences of their veterans, discarding the fact that these chaps' work rate cant match that of the dudes around. And like I'd tell Chic2pimp, Prandelli doesn't beat me to be the man that'd have their bunch of oldies truimphing, he's not that tactically superb to do wonders with some 30-something-year old ninjas.

Bruh, if a serious match was to be set up today between Italy & Germany, I'd strongly advice you to wager with your balls that Germany would thrash 'em blue black - history is jaded mehn

I don't think Die Mannschaft have ever beaten Italy in a competitive game! This thing no be oju lasan. 6 meetings in major tournaments and only 2 draws. Its quite difficult to explain as the strength of German mentality is usually not in doubt. I do know the day Italy would fall it
would be heavy

As for Prandelli and Italy they didn't play with enough desperation against Uruguay they thought they could play their usual trick of fumbling and wobbling to the Final but that cannot work everytime

toba: How are they 'phoolish questions'? Don’t you know yourself again? I'm asking what you can make of your character. Just admit the answer is beyond you.

Man STFU!

toba: Just imagine. Exhibiting your classlessness as usual.

The man that lacks class is talking about classlessness this is rich

toba: Really? Stop embarrassing yourself. The question you asked was ‘Why stop at Neuer's goal-kick?' And I’m telling you that’s what a reasonable person would do. I went further to post a live commentary, with the commentator talking about the goal from Neuer's goal kick. It’s only an unreasonable fellow that wouldn’t stop at Neuer's goal kick. You can decide what you are.

STFU you fanboy! How does Neuer's attempt actually correlate with Kroos to begin with? Where they 3 players also involved for the goal? Since according to you a 'contribution' to a goal should involve at least 3 players

toba: You aren't getting anywhere for deliberately acting ignorant. What’s the basis of our discussion? Isn’t it centered on CONTRIBUTION TO A GOAL SCORED? Smdh

I see. They specifically said it was a failed cross, yet that same cross led to a goal?

You are a lunatic! How can one person be so simple-minded? Toni Kroos's cross was a bad one a bad cross can still lead to a goal if an inept defender makes a meal of it you compound phool! It doesn't even register as a chance created so how does Kroos deserve credit for an accident?

toba: How are they not related for God's sake. Remember, we started with contribution to the goals.

They are not related! Neuer's kick was not intercepted by the opposition so it is a legit one! He also played a direct role in the goal not the accidental megedefegede you are busy chatting about Kroos. Like I said before Bruno Alves deserves more credit than Kroos for that goal

toba: Yet it became unhandleable for the defender.
You're the unreasonable one here. In 2002 WC final, Rivaldo played a ball that Oliver Ordinarily should have catched with easy. He fumbled and Ronaldo scored the easiest tap in. Can you describe the goal, with acknowledging the roles played by the 3 guys involved?

Again comparing a deliberate attempt on target to a mere cross that was intercepted by an opposition player? You have issues!

toba: Take it. We are not enemies, even though you chose to be harsh.

You better keep that advice for yourself and the people around you

toba: It has not gotten to that level yet. It was about good deliveries after the 3rd game

That’s why I gave the initial advice that you should calm down. We started on the 28/29th of June with deliveries and the scope was limited to the goals scored in the groups. I didn’t come here to claim he assisted or contributed to the two goals Germany scored against Algeria. Anything can happen tonight and the whole calculation changes.

Who was arguing about deliveries with you? Maybe your pizzaman sha cos wetin concern me with that one?

You made a statement equating Kroos's role in the team to Robben and I quickly reminded you that Robben is Holland's best player while Kroos is not among the top 4. Why you now chose to paste the player ratings after 4 games when your initial argument was for 3 games is for only you to understand

toba: So what are you talking about?

Even at that, you still failed. Here's something for you to savour

GOAL

Germany 2-2 Ghana - Miroslav Klose (70 mins)

Posted at 21:28

What. A. Game. Germany's record goal-scorer Miroslav Klose has been on the pitch just moments and he is in the right place at the right time to bring his country level. Benedikt Howedes' flicks on Toni Kroos's corner and Klose pokes in from yards out. What an impact.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/27444589

How many players were mentioned? Please tell us

Stop shadow-boxing! Assuming we give Kroos credit for this goal it still means he only contributed in 2 out of 7 goals so how does this make him the highest 'contributor' of goals?

toba: So far you've done nothing more than to further exhibit your inability to tell the truth. Eat this

'Benedikt Howedes' flicks on Toni Kroos's corner and Klose pokes in from yards out.'

You can keep killing yourself! The stats clearly show he has only provided one assist and no goal so far

bykebyke: Messi created 9 clear goal chances today... Most ever in a single world cup match !!
Previous best was by Ronaldo - 5 chances!!!
Not cristiano ronaldo

Kevin De Bruyne provided 10 clear chances bruh

El Guapo: You remember Guapo telling you that the Azurri are in Brazil to make up the numbers?

We know teams wey get vision.

As a fan of Die Mannschaft the fear of Italy is the beginning of wisdom. France, Argentina and England na regular customer but those damn Azzurris

toba: Yes After 3 games on whoscored.com, but total average from 3 perspectives, he stands in a better position.

I can recall that during the Germany vs Cameroun game argument, you told me how much whoscored.com is dare to you, hence my restricting it to the that site alone. As a data guy, After 4 games, is Toni kroos in a better position that Howedes and Gotze by whoscored.com?

Vs Portugal MGotze 3.5/5
Vs Ghana MGotze 3.5/5
Vs Usa MGotze 2.5/5
Vs Algeria MGotze 2/5
goal.com

By whoscored
Vs Portugal MGotze 8.23/10
Vs Ghana MGotze 7.86/10
Vs Usa MGotze 6.27/10
Vs Algeria MGotze 6.11/10

Any similarity?

There couple of questions you're yet to answer above.

I thought you said 3 other sites so why am I seeing just goal.com or are you displaying your inability to count as usual? How did goal.com arrive at their ratings as well? Care to explain?

This dubious imp once again is posting stats after 4 games when the argument was after 3! You said it yourself that the period in review was after the first 3 games! You are not even ashamed of yourself that we are comparing Kroos to players playing outside their natural position!

Mugun was asking me how Kroos's attempt registered as a failed cross

This link should help

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/4-2013/matches/731779/player-stats/44989/2_ATTACK_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor

toba: What can you call your reactions thus far? Irrational or rational

Maybe but you can click on my profile to see the answer

Sit there and be asking phoolish questions

toba: If the emphasized depicts your online behavior, then you lack class. Only classless people would descend to use of vulgar words in any argument. I wonder what you would make of Luiz Suarez's action of 'kicking and later apologizing'

Hahaha look at this hypocritical phool! Have you showed class? Or would you claim you have never used vulgar words on this forum! You better migrate

toba: Because that’s what a reasonable person, honest and not bias would do. Let me further show how illogical you are in admitting the truth.

Sadly none of those traits can be found in you and you have proven that beyond reasonable doubt

toba: 20 mins: KLOSE'S NUMBER 12!!! Germany 1-0 England. Dear Lord. Neuer hoofs a long ball upfield, straight down the middle. Terry is off on holiday, Upson was standing wondering whether to go with him, maybe stow away in his suitcase, and so Klose simply romps down the middle, sliding in and poking a right-foot shot past the advancing James and into the bottom-right corner. That is as simple a goal that's been scored in the entire history of All Football. What a defensive shambles. The centre backs want shooting when they eventually come back from their break

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/27/world-cup-2010-germany-england-live

Why didn’t the commentator mention the rubbish thing you're making up? You can never talk about that goal without Mentioning Neuer. Did it say Neuer made a poor long ball?

What is the meaning of this booty-chatter? How does this compare with Kroos's cross that was actually intercepted!

toba: Rubbish. Who regarded it as a failed cross? Did it result in a goal or not?

Actual analysts who are light years ahead of you in the intelligence calender

toba: 'If' Maybe, 'Why' are not really part of football, cos I can equally say If Neuer knew Ronaldo was going take a low ball free kick, then he would have dived to prevent him from scoring the 4th goal against Bayern in Munich. What’s your challenge? What matters is the goal and how it was scored and those that contributed to it

You are a troll! In your labored attempt to make a point you keep comparing vastly different scenarios that are not even remotely related! Kroos should get credit for delivering a cross that did not even beat the first line of defence? I even conceded the 2nd goal against Ghana which was at least deliberate to an extent and you are talking about unreasonable

toba: Guy don’t go commit suicide with the way you're going oooo. Ok Let me even pretend to agreed with you based on whoscored.com. However, the argument at start was certainly on kroos' contribution to the goals scored

You better use your advice for yourself cos the life you save might be your own

'Pretend' excellent choice of words! You seem very skilled in the art

The 'contribution' argument was an offshoot of who finished among the top 4 players so stop lying as usual

toba: Shut up. Now what concern Thomas Muller with Toni Kroos? You're the one widening the scope. Infact Miroslav Klose has scored 15 out of the total goals Germany has scored since 2010. So? How does that change what happened in 2014?

You have to be the World's biggest eediot! To shamelessly clutch on a paltry '2' contributions when people have produced far more than that with much less fuss! This m0ron don turn football to ajo/cooperative. Hehehe

toba: I see. We have played 4 matches to date. We can choose to remain with 4.

Ode! Who told you I was talking about matches played? I was talking about the number of 'contributors' required to make a goal happen

toba: Even 'if I screwed data according to you, does it change the fact that kroos contributed to the goals?

I don't give a rat's ass about your opinion! I'm only here to correct the erroneous notion that Kroos contributed the most

toba: You don’t need to do this to yourself. Let me even pretend to admit by the stats posted on whoscored.com and taking it further, assuming that Germany crashed out after the Algeria game, would you still have the same stance? Or Both Howedes and Gotze would still be highly placed? I quoted what we have on whoscored.com, which i guess you trust. If I’m to do an average of 3 sites used to draw my conclusion, even as early as the third game, all 3 sites including whoscored has average ratings that reveals only Muller and Hummels higher than Kroos. That doesn’t change anything regarding his contribution to the goals scored. I still maintain my stance, which is the subject of this discourse. You can trace it back to the post that started this argument.

Lool this nigga is telling more lies than OJ and Oscar put together. You don't need to pretend to agree to anything you Cheat! The entire argument was on the back of the first 3 games. You said I should go to whoscored.com and eat my words but whoscored.com actually rated 4 players (Müller, Hummels, Götze, Höwedes) ahead of Kroos which means I was correct and you were wrong!! Remember this was the site you recommended! Yet in your infinite folly you went on to bring up stats after the 4th game to try and cover up your faux pas

Tell me more about those mysterious 3 sites apart from whoscored.com who made their ratings and what criteria did they use?? I would hope that by now you should know better than to bring up or regurgitate the opinions of some random journalists like you did the last time with the Cameroon friendly

toba: here's why i did that

It was after we played Algeria that we scored the 8th and 9th goal.

Assuming Germany crashed out after the game against Algeria, will Toni Kroos still have been ranked out of the top 4 performers?

Gerrout you thief!! What a lame defence! Or are you benignly admitting all I have said all along that he actually wasn't one of the top 4 at the group stage? You posted the match stats after 4 matches to imply Toni Kroos was one of the top 4 players at the end of the group stage! If you were intelligent you would simply have pointed out that the 8th and 9th goal didn't count but to begin with the number of goals scored was never the main argument you dishonest POS!

toba: Lol. After you were caught overreacting and getting frustrated, you chose to change the game. Nice, cos it’s working. Now that your nerves are down, we can continue.

Overreacting? You must be new to this forum! I can curse your entire generation today and we are friends tomorrow! You must be incredibly naïve if you think you are even remotely getting to me

toba: Just see this mumu. If Klose's goal would be mentioned, can you take away Neuer's contribution from the goal? Stop chasing shadows and answer very simple and straight forward questions. You're yet to tell us on this thread how Kroos' ball into the area can be described as a failed cross. Please answer these very simple questions.

Why stop at Neuer's goal-kick? Why not credit the player that played the ball out of bounds as well? Kroos's attempt was a failed cross because it failed to get to his teammate! Is this too complex for your puny brain to understand? If Müller was not vigilant Bruno Alves would have booted the ball to safety! If Bruno Alves didn't possess such a bad first touch no way was Müller going to get that ball

toba: Shut da Fkup. I can recall your post which I responded to with 4 match stats was made before mine. Stop this childishness. You shifted the goal post on couple of occasions, now you want to complain. Please tell me, if it’s possible to talk about Muller's goal, Klose's goal and Hummel's goal, without mentioning Kroos.

Shut up you armed robber! Under normal circumstances you should be getting the bonfire treatment! The argument since day 1 was the fact that Toni Kroos did not make the top 4 ratings "after 3 games on whoscored.com" remember those were your words not mine you unrepentant liar

Kroos was only credited for Hummels goal! Only a certified ajigunjaale like you would bring up scenarios were he was not directly involved and claim he deserves credit for it

Thomas Müller has been directly involved in 14 of Germany's last 24 WC goals now that's actual contribution not the eediotic definition you have been giving us all this time

toba: See this mumu. Aren't you responding to my posts? Am I not the one that brought up the kroos’ issue and you on the other hand trying to counter it? How come you're asking this silly question? I'm the one saying he made contributions to the goals, hence setting the terms here. If it’s too difficult for you to handle, you can check out. Tell me if you would mention 3 players involved lastly before the goals being reviewed were scored, without a recourse to Toni Kroos

You are a phool! Why stop at 3? Why not 5, 6 or 11? Look at this ret@rd trying to be slick! Skewing data to suit his argument! The sun must shine out of Toni Kroos's arse for you. Ewu

El Guapo: Lestienne, Januzaj, Bakkali, Thorgan, Praet, Batshuayi, Malanda etc.

That nation is phucking blessed with talents!

I see 'em ruling the globe in the not-too-distant future.

Why una offload De Bruyne? Omo l'omo yen oh! Kroos can go phuck himself if we could get that kid

chic2pimp: USA Gallant loosers

Algeria Gallant Loosers

Chile Gallant Loosers

Switzerland Gallant Loosers

Mexico Gallant Loosers

See where I am going? Of all the second round tie, Uruguay was about the only team that did not put up much of a flight. Methinks It's about time these teams take the next step forward and stop being "Gallant Loosers"

Where your own Italy reach?

toba: No. you're agitated and getting frustrated that your have no point, hence your resort to use of vulgar words. Meanwhile, you left the question unanswered

Loool I'm just taking the piss on you bruh! You lack the tools to frustrate me

toba: Bad cross according to who? I posted about Manuel Neuer's long ball in 2010, which Klose capitalized on, to score and also the ball played by Andre Schurrle, which led to Muller's goal. How will you describe those ones too?

You are irretrievably dense! How can anyone compare goal kicks to a cross that should reach its intended destination? The Müller goal was a failed cross too that any competent keeper should be catching in his sleep

toba: shut up. We are/were reviewing the group games. Stop this childishness cos it isn’t going to help you. We scored 7 goals in the group games and he had contributions to some goals more than any other player.

Yet you posted stats from 4 games to prove you don't have a honest bone in your body! He had more contributions than a Götze who scored an actual goal and forced a PK? More contributions than Müller who scored 4 goals and provided an assist? Phuck outta here

toba: The yardstick is by mentioning at least 3 players before those goals were scored.

Look at this eediot! Who made you judge, jury and executioner on which yardstick is to be used?

toba: Get real for once. It was cos you talked about whoscored.com being relied upon by some chaps as if it was an authority above all others. Regarding our subject of discourse, there are couple of sites that rated Toni Kroos high and those sites are also being relied upon. It’s not only whoscored.com. I posted ONE of such sites just to limit the scope.

I didn't even bring up Whoscored.com on this Kroos matter you did! Or can we add acute memory loss to your many ailments?

This was you as at 10:37am 30th of June.

toba: Podolski is injured

SMH at this pathetic comment. So you can lie like this? moribund yet was involved in most of our goals than any other player?

Its too early for all these biased assessment. I guess you trust http://www.whoscored.com. Please visit the site and come back here to eat your words that Toni Kroos isnt among Germany's 4 best players so far after 3 games.

What do they need? Loss right? Is there any club in the world that tranfers doesnt add to their annual profit, no matter how little?

Kroos was not among Germany's best 4 players then you FRAUD

toba: Here's what we have on whoscored.com


[img]http://164.177.157.12/img/players/80382.jpg[/img] FIFA World Cup* App 3(1) 1 - - - 1.8 84.8 0.5 - Rating7.12

[img]http://164.177.157.12/img/players/24814.jpg[/img] FIFA World Cup* App4 - 1 1 - 0.8 85.7 3.8 - Rating 7.28

[img]http://164.177.157.12/img/players/31772.jpg[/img] FIFA World Cup* App4 - 1 - - 2 91.4 0.3 - Rating7.48

Ole! Barau danbanza! Look at this shameless thief! The argument was who was rated higher after the group stage! And this ajigunjaale went to bring out stats compiled after the 2nd round stage! You think you are smart ba? When I made the Robben analogy Germany had not played Algeria so why didn't you post their respective ratings after the group matches?