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Honestly, it is glaring to see the influence of Pep guardiola on the German team...

Which kin yeye influence? Of course Loew tried to copy Guardiola initially by playing Lahm at DM and Müller as a 9 but thankfully circumstances made him come to his senses and the result was victory for Germany. If he had any influence it must have been negative

dayokanu: I would reattach it below.

It was a Colombian reporter asking him about the award and he replied in Bayrisch (Bavarian language)

[size=3pt]Your former babe dey marry soon?[/size]

I no see any link for your post bruh!

Which of them? I have more than one marrying soon one of em by October to be precise thank you for reminding me of my old age. holla me off camera make I hear more gist

logica: Yet when I remove all his goals, Germany still wins the World Cup? Truth is, I wasn't even trying to convince you since your mind is made up. But introduce you to how people who know more about football than you weigh the importance of goals and players. There is a reason you were not called to vote. End of...

My friend go home and crash! Even after giving you a breakdown about how and when the goals were scored you are sitting here talking about you removed all his goals and Germany still wins the World Cup. What kind of simple-minded logic is that? You were not called to vote either so stop acting like you know it all when you know diddly squat

dayokanu: [img]http://forums.bigsoccer.com/attachments/uploadfromtaptalk1405399443083-jpg.32933/[/img]

Where can I get this meme? I tried to open this link but no luck

toba: Info from Munich

1) SportBild: Alaba will play Kroos' role (Bernat at LB) at Bayern until Thiago returns. ( Pep would still not be forced to play Muller, Schweinsteiger, Gotze and Martinez together. He did that in his first season and intently wanted to get rid of Bastian.

Its SportBild so I want to assume they are lying by default but if its true Guardiola is playing with fire. I don't know if Alaba can be effective at CM since he is predominantly left-footed that is certainly not an experiment I would like to see in elite Europe

Not applying those players you listed above properly last season led to his downfall in Europe I hope he doesn't repeat the same mistake

toba: 2) SportBild also suggests that Lahm will still be in Bayern MF (Rafinha RB) with no room for Javi or Basti in Mid Field regardless of Thiago's fitness

3) Have to hope SportBild is wrong or Pep comes to his senses. Bayern with world's best LB & RB, so Pep uses them in MidField?

If this is true then he is playing with sack letter. What was supposed to be a useful alternative is what has now turned to the main option. Lahm is not a great DM and Martinez is not a great CB how can Pep not know this?

toba: Bayern fans, which do you prefer until Thiago returns? 1) FBs: Lahm/Alaba, DMs: Basti/Javi. Or 2) FBs: Bernat /Rafinha. DMs: Lahm/Alaba. Thiago will be the new number 10 after kroos departs

Lahm at RB, Alaba at LB, Fussballgott and Javi at DM or one of Fussballgott/Javi plus Thiago at CM

I hope Pep is realistic enough to play Götze behind Lewandowski if we want to rely less on wingplay then this is the only way to go

toba: Alaba & Lahm make good MFs. They're peerless in DeFence. Jury's out on Bernat, but Rafinha a clear liability. Insult he plays if Basti's benched or when Badi returns to full form and Boateng is benched.

4) SportBild: Another option is Javi as 3rd CB, which he could play similarly to DM. Better, but still no way Rafinha is good enough for FCB XI

Boateng is not going to be benched actually the person you should be more worried about is Dante! He had an awful World Cup and there's no telling how much he carries over to the club. I don't want to see Rafinha starting for Bayern next season unless Lahm is hurt

Guardiola has no excuses this year! This World Cup clearly showed that Bayern still have the best team

naijababe: Lol...........I don't mind y'all insulting each other, but leave the curses out, please eh! Shey you too dey hear Pataki

Yes Ma! But please explain how you can insult without cursing

logica: *Sigh*

OK, do this experiment:

1. Take away all of Messi's goals.
2. Take away all of Muller's goals.
3. Take away all of James' goals.
4. Take away all of Robben's goals.

What did you observe?

Well, I will tell you what I observed:

1. Argentina does not make it out of the First Round: they draw Bosnia, draw Iran and lose to Nigeria. (2 points total).
2. Germany STILL wins the World Cup: they beat Portugal, draw Ghana and draw US still topping their group and all other results remain the same (even beating Brazil 6-1).
3. Columbia STILL qualifies from the First Round: only result that may change is against Uruguay in the Round of 16 (and even that simply goes to penalties).
4. Netherlands STILL qualifies from the First Round: beat Spain 3-1, draw Australia 2-2 and beat Chile 2-0. after that, no other results change.

Now, I am using PURELY goals to judge; and the weight of the goals scored by the Golden Ball contenders (imagine if I added assists). You can then see whose goals carried the biggest weight. That of Muller is most telling as it clearly indicates Germany would STILL have won the World Cup without him. And if I remember, the Golden Ball winner was supposed to be the "most valuable player to his team". Those who chose Messi knew exactly what they were doing. Ces Fini.

Chale you are just tilting the argument to suit your boy! Minus the Portugal and Brazil game, Germany won every match by a single goal margin! That your team scored fewer goals and you scored half of them doesn't automatically qualify you for the award ahead of others who clearly outperformed you!

Who is to say Germany would have gone on to win 6-1 if you took out Müller's goal? You are harping on the scoreline alone what about the timing?

Müller's goals against Portugal one of them was the opening goal against Brazil same thing, USA same thing! His goals were either match-winners or go-ahead ones not jara

Robben's first goal against Spain and against Australia was also a go-ahead. These were important goals that won the game in his team's favor

James Rodriguez scored the winner against Cote D'Ivoire sent Uruguay parking and pulled one back against Brazil

If na assist no even go there Messi had just one to his name while Müller had 3. Messi was easily bested at this World Cup he is Adidas's egg and they had to console him with something

naijababe: Easy o Pataki and A-40, make una take am easy now. Why una dey curse unaselves?

Pataki is a groupie he loves the attention

Only the supremely ignorant can confuse "Messi did not deserve the Golden Ball in World Cup 2014" for Messi hatred

All this painment over an undeserved award hehehe. Golden Ball winner that didn't make FIFA XI that shows how contentious his award was

When we told you lot last season that Ribery created the most chances in the 12/13 season and the most dribbles they said goals is all that matter even when we explained to them that Ribery and Messi/ Ronaldo's role are different it is now you people remember Messi was not a CF! Was Rodriguez a CF? Müller started as a CF and on the right wing but still scored and assisted more goals than Messi so make una look for another excuse!

Müller started only one game at CF at the knockout stage btw and at least scored a goal and provided two! Messi only provided 1 assist I'm sure even the bulk of those chances you people go on about occurred in the group stage. Müller plays in a team where the burden of creativity is shared but still managed to create 17 only 6 less than Messi and he wasn't even an AM

Pataki: Oloshi, I was talking to your internet father, you useless area arindin-40 (sorry I meant area boy-boy) is busy replying me. Dem no tell you say when elders are conversing, small children are meant to shut up?

Onigbe! You are a phool of epic proportions! Whenever you take it upon your ret@rded self to refer to me blatantly or indirectly you can be sure you would be force fed your own faeces! Na as you dey old na him you dey phoolish dey go. Phoolish old nigga

Pataki: Had Ozil not even scored, I know what you doofus would have been spewing from that gutter mouth. Make I no slap your dirty mouth from there!

Come London, una go pack our shytezzz comot return for useless Arena. Since Gotze scored final world cup goal, abeg make una am your no 1 striker in this new season. Olodo oshi!

Ozwor! You think everyone is an oloriburuku pendejo like you? I even gave opolo eye credit on the Bayern thread till you had to come here and display your stoopidity as usual. Tii n ba fun e ni igbarun na everything go dey hungry you. Omo animashaun

Götze at 22 is already better than everyone at your shyte club but that's beside the point we have Lewangoalski ready to crush your hopes and dreams if you ever have the misfortune of drawing Bayern. E le duro wotan

dayokanu: Or his excellent marking/escorting of Schurrle for the 7th goal
https://giant.gfycat.com/ImpassionedLankyElver.gif

What else can be said of the Brazilian nightmare and International calamity that is David Luiz? We have had Calamity James, Calamity Yobo and now Calamity Luiz

ElGuapo: That ninja is worth £50m.

I just cant believe my eyes when I come across the figures quoted for him.

What can we do? He is in the last year of his contract

We don gawk ourselves already on the Kroos matter looking back now we should have given an extension then put him up for sale. I can live with €30m we should at least hold out for that

[quote
author=pkasso]Like Boateng is infallible abi? Don't make me start
digging up those Boateng bloopers.Guess who made the World Cup XI? David
Luiz! Despite contriving to play the worst two games of his
career.David Luiz was arguably the best defender until that point.I'm
glad FIFA looked at the bigger picture.Boateng a top defender, LOL.Tell a
top defender who has at any point in their career not make an official
best XI.There's a reason Boateng's teammates contributions are more
recognised than his.Or is there a secret conspiracy against him? 'Alago'
has never made any official best XI either at club or international
level.That shows how much he is regarded in his position.He's just a
parasite feeding off the sweat of others.[/quote]Quit telling these lies! Which official XI are you talking about? Oscar and Silva were the only Brazilians there. I get that you can't stand Boa-TANK but at least give some credit where its due! Boa-TANK at this World cup confirmed his superiority to Luiz

logica: Right. If he didn't score those goals, sebi Argentina would've miraculously appeared in the Round of 16 not so? And the way you are even implying that Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria are no competition shows how you are not keeping with the times. We all saw how Costa Rica got Italy and England out. So maybe Messi's goals against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria should've been awarded as half goals? Or what do you think?

What is your point? Messi was not the only one that helped his team to the Round of 16! Robben did it, Neymar did it, Müller did it, James Rodriguez did it Benzema did it!

logica: And then to point out how ridiculous your point is: Maradona only scored one goal in the Group Stage in 1986. Using your logic, his contribution to Argentina qualifying from the Group Stage was minimal.

Stop talking absolute nonsense! When evaluating the best player at any tournament who makes use of Group stage performances as an important metric? What did Messi do at the group stage that stood him out from the five players I listed above?

ddippset: BARCELONA AND ARGENTINA
-4 ballon dors, check!
-3 champions leagues, check!
-5 league titles, check!
-91 goals guiness book of records, check!
-5 la liga player of the season, check!
-4 champions league golden boots, check!
-4 pichichis, check!
-3 european golden shoes, check!
-1 junior world cup golden ball, check!
-1 junior world cup golden shoe, check!
-1 olympic gold medal, check!
-1 junior world cup gold medal, check!
-1 world cup silver medal, check!
-1 copa america silver medal, check!
-1 world cup golden ball, checkmate.

JEEZ THIS GUY IS A GENIUS. IF YOU DONT LIKE HIM, YOU'RE AN ENEMY OF FOOTBALL.

Dude! Smoke some igbo and chill!!! Nobody hates Messi at least I don't all I'm stressing is he didn't deserve the Golden Ball. C'est fini!

dayokanu: Are you surprised? No wonder their players cant win anything. In the International stage they havent played a final in almost 50yrs

While I cant see a decade when Germany doesnt make a final. Its from this type of insane comparison that their failure stems from

Imagine comparing Cahill, Gary fraking Cahill to Boateng.

Shebi na the same way Andy Gray talk say only Lahm and Neuer would make the English team in 2010 before Muller and co(A bunch of U-23 boys) rapeed them in South Africa

And you wonder why you couldnt get a win in the world cup?

No be for here person tell us say Joe Cole is better than Schweinsteiger?

When on TV Ballack and Roberto Martinez said No single English player would make the German team that was last month

They thought he was taking the piss

Gustavo is just trolling. He is smarter than that!

Its ok to be a fanboy and rep your team to the fullest but at a point you have to accept reality. Not too long ago EPL people also claimed Ashley Cole and Evra were better than Lahm!

After such an epic failure and national disgrace at this World Cup I wonder where the voice to even chat such megedefegede comes from! Either way I'm not complaining let the crazy comparisons continue what would we have to laugh at after another major tournament if it stopped?

Pataki: My friend get lost! Where was Muller on the night that mattered most for him to deliver? You must be heavily intoxicated if you want us to believe that Gotze can be heavily relied upon by your useless team this coming season. Even you yourself had to admit that Gotze was pants in this World Cup tournament.

Have you seen what my club is up to this season? No late night buys, buying top top quality players that will not only SHAYTE heavily on your useless Arena but will also disgrace your useless team here in London.

Shut up your sewer mouth you shameless eediot!! Out of 18 goals scored by Die Mannschaft Arsenal passengers could only account for 1 while FC Bayern was presenting 50% of the players nominated for the Golden Ball award and powering the team to a World Cup title. Even at the height of your dementia you should know not to compare yourselves to FC Bayern

Loool you want to get paired with Bayern again? You must be a glutton for punishment! better navigate the qualifying stages of the UCL first

Pataki: Exciting season ahead walai!

Theo and Sanchez tearing speed from the flanks, Ramsey firing shots at all enemies......Ospina in, Khedira getting finalized.......has Christmas come sooooo early?

Even the likes of dayokanu and his boy-boy Arindin-40 are nowhere to be found on this thread.

Oloriburuku pendejo Omo animashaun! Gbanayoyo! You have escaped from Aro again?

Ain't nobody got time for you losers! Too much Jameson in the system. Thanks to Bayern Munich even your useless club can boast of fielding World Champions

CFCfan: Rotfl
Or we can compare Mila Kunis to Tonto Dikeh

The thing just tire me! It used to be Scholes vs Zidane, Beckham better than Figo then it degenerated to Gerrard and Lampard better than Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo and Schweinsteiger no matter how many times EPL players and English players get disgraced on the International stage they still won't recognize their superiors

Funny what can happen in two years. I mean how would you have explained to these guys especially the Bayern contingent that they would win 8 major trophies including the World Cup after the UCL Final loss and the National Team collapse at the Euros in 2012

logica: Oh, by the way referring to the Kempes silly observation; did he also observe Maradona was not in the Final of 1986? Oh, OK he sent the pass to Burruchaga. Now if Burruchaga had missed that chance, would anybody remember anything Maradona did in that final?

All of Messi's goals came against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria. Only 1 assist in the knockout stage! Even if Maradona didn't win in 86 its bleeding obvious he did a lot more when it mattered compared to Messi in 2014

ddippset: you have to read my post again. i did not say that all the teams that played argentina parked the bus, i only mentioned iran, bosnia, switzerland, and it shows that the defence did not have much to do! for all those who dare to say mascherano was argentina's best player!

lol. patronising mascherano just to bring down messi? kai kai. muller scored 1 goal in the knock outs not 2, world cup never tay wey e finish o, haba! na im be say by next month you will increase it to 3, lol.

So that is 3 games! How about the other 4? bearing in mind the latter 4 were the toughest of all of Argentina's defenders

My mistake I meant 1 goal but he did contribute 2 direct assists.

Messi in 4 games. 0 goals 1 assist. Big difference

ddippset: also i said against a 10 man portugal! STRESS- 10 MAN! any 1mbecile can score a hattrick against a 10 man portugal. as for james ive not talked about him alot. he was the star revelation of the tournament but the quarter final is just not good enough too bad for him. no one has ever won a golden ball without passing the quarter final stage! and for the past 20 years or 5 world cups no one ever won the golden ball from the world cup winning team then no one shouted fifa. iam not saying it should be a standard but you guys should stop shouting fifa fifa fifa!

Anybody can score a hat-trick against a 10 man Portugal? You should know better than to downgrade any ten man team never mind Portugal. You failed to beat one in your own doormot

Rodriguez did more than enough to topple Messi! I'm sure you saw the FIFA XI list? No Messi that should tell you something

ddippset: as for messi you guys again have decided to set a standard; no one wins the golden ball without scoring a goal in the knock out stages. where did you get that? from the world cup constitution or from the 10 commandments? lol. the golden ball was between muller and messi. i thought muller would win but messi did and iam happy. and then all the 1diots like kempes leave out argentina's super flops like higuain, palacio, aguero,de maria who had to get himself injured and criticize the guy who scored 4 goals and one assist, won 4 man of the match awards, had the highest number of dribbles, created the highest number of goal scoring chances, got the country to the siver medal after flop teams of 98, 2002,2006 and 2010? clap for kempes.

Man of the match against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria. Big deal

The whole team was built round Messi to propel him to greatness with a World cup win but sadly it failed. Maybe a more team-oriented approach could have worked better

dayokanu: https://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/15/b034cc9d-37be-4a83-9625-b4bc25bcc8a0.jpg

Abi ooh! Se bi oba! Boa-tank

toba: EPL is somehow marketable than Bundesliga. Don't ask me how. Maybe that's why

That one sef dey sha and Adidas is like family but they would definitely need to at least double our offer and that of Madrid

I'm happy the marketing team at Bayern is finally getting to work and trying to penetrate virgin territory like the Americas and Asia hell even the Middle East!

Nihilist: Luiz is not a Chelsea player....he was a 50 million pound open cheque

Anyway he scored that fantastic freekick...so his worldcup wasn't too bad.

The same Boateng that DK is hyping now, is the one he was lamenting about before the Real Madrid game because quote 'their attackers could hurt them'.

One website hack later, and Boateng is now the love child of Maldini and Gentile.

A40 is even calling him boa-tank.

Boatank?

More like Boa-Stank.

Or GP Tank?

Ayipee Ayipee...

It is only in a shyte, overrated and overhyped league that players like Gary Cahill can be rated highly! This World Cup has shown us he shouldn't even start for Costa Rica. Another World Cup has come and gone no EPL player nominated in any major category

You people ought to go back to the drawing board instead of knocking World Champions and 5 star Surgeon Generals

Boateng to Cahill why not Leo Di Caprio to Kanayo O Kanayo

Nihilist: Cahill is miles better than Alago.

Fact

You EPL people never learn. How many major tournaments do you guys have to fail in to realize your players are not remotely as good as advertised

Nihilist: Again you miss the point.

Both of Bayansh's 1st choice defenders were on the pitch that night, and they characteristically conceded easy goals.

Bayansh's and Germany's success has been based on the quality of its attack and midfield and not it's rear guard at all....

Your possesion play ensures that the opposition hardly get to test your defence, but when they do...they breach easily. Very easily.

Did you see how many saves Neuer was forced to make in that Brazil game?

Like Coogar said, Alago is not better than Djourou.

For me to miss your point you need to have one to begin with.

David Luiz and Marcelo performed far worse than Dante and their midfield did not sufficiently protect the backline either. As for Boa-tank the job was done already! Lamenting over an incident that occurred in garbage time is strawmanesque

Its rather intellectually lazy to attribute Germany and Bayern's success to its attack and midfield alone! Our style of play is technical so it requires defenders to be comfortable with the ball yet athletic as well! Its a nightmare for defenders and I strongly doubt most EPL defenders would survive it

How many saves Neuer had to make when Boa-tank was paired with a much more sluggish defender like Mertescatter? The game was won and lost already by then why don't you tell me how many saves he had to make when the game was still a contest. Its like accusing the Seahawks of slacking off when they were leading 35-0 in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl cos they allowed the Broncos score 8

Boateng to Djourou? That one no be big deal. Peeps were still comparing Müller to Hazard and Rooney not too long ago even Joe Cole was better than Schweinsteiger

Nihilist: Boateng is only a starter a Bayansh because you guys don't have any better options...

It's telling that in the Brazil-Germany game, both of Bayansh's 1st choice centerbacks were each directly responsible for conceding a goal.

Alago's positioning in that Oscar 1v1 was terrible. I was shocked that Oscar was able to turn him so easily in a position where Boateng was actually at an advantage.

Neuer wanted to slap him sef. That's how pissed off he was

What better options? Since arriving at Bayern Boateng has helped us to two Finals and a semi in the UCL. Tell me that better option that would surpass that performance

After scoring 7 goals you want to hold Boateng culpable for trying to cover Mertescatter's behind? It is not entirely unreasonable for a defender to take the foot off the gas when the team is 7 goals up in stoppage time! I would rather judge him by his performances in much closer games like the Final

Messi didn't even make the FIFA World Cup XI that says it all

Johnpaul88: Who the hell cares about a goddamn golden ball? All Messi ever wanted is the trophy!
But that doesn't stop Dayokanu & his right hand man from coming here to break their head in utter agony!

Chale sharrap there! Who is in agony? You need to speak for yourself bruh

ddippset: HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS? LOL. NA SO YOU DE COUNT YA OWN. WAS THE OG NOT THE FIRST GOAL SCORED? WHO SCORED NEXT? WAS IT NOT MESSI? THE OG DID NOT MAKE IT 2-1, IT MADE IT 2-0. SO YOU'RE SO WRONG THERE!
AS FOR HIGUAIN'S DEFLECTED GOAL, THE EMPHASIS HERE IS ON MESSI'S CONTRIBUTION. U GUYS SAID HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING IN THE KNOCK OUT, GO AND WATCH THE MATCH AGAIN AND SEE HIS SKILL LEADING TO THAT LONE GOAL VERSUS BELGIUM-THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL AN INDIRECT ASSIST!
SO GOLDEN BALL IS FOR ONLY KNOCK OUT STAGES AND YOU'RE HAPPY WITH JAMES FOR HIS GOLDEN BOOT AFTER 4 FIRST ROUND GOALS OR YOU WANT ROBBEN AS MVP WITH ALL HIS GOALS IN THE FRIST ROUND OR YOU WANT MULLER AS MVP WITH 3 GOALS AGAINST 10 MAN SPAIN IN THE SAME FIRST ROUND WHICH YOU SO DESPISE? LOL.
IN MOST PART OF THE WORLD CUP ARGENTINA'S DEFENCE HAD LITTLE OR NO WORK TO DO. IRAN, BOSNIA, SWISS ALL PARKED BUSES AND REFUSED TO ATTACK! SO MESSI IT WAS WHO SAVED THE DAY.
WHETHER MESSI FAILED OR NOT IS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT ANYMORE! HE MUST NOT WIN THE WORLD CUP, HE MUST NOT BE THOUGHT TO BE BETTER THAN MARADONA OR PELE. HE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST IN HISTORY ALREADY. FOOTBALL AWARDS CONTROVERSIES WONT START AND END WITH MESSI, WORLD CUP GOLDEN BALL 2006 AND 2010, AND FIFA BALLON DOR'S THERE WERE CONTROVERSIES. EVEN IN THE TIMES OF ZIDANE VERSUS FIGO, HENRY VERSUS RONALDINHO. 1 MONTH AGO HE HAD NO SENIOR TEAM MEDAL OR TROPHY. TODAY HE IS A WORLD CUP SILVER MEDALIST AND A WORLD CUP GOLDEN BALL WINNER.

Loool this is Mario Kempes an Argentine World cup hero ooh! Maybe una Argentina pass am

www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3841/world-cup-2014/2014/07/15/4960818/messi-was-absent-in-the-world-cup-final-kempes

So only Messi's goal counted the other one nko? Smh

Indirect bawo? Messi's contribution? What of Di Maria's? Vertonghen's deflection nko? You have to go back three steps before you even get back to Messi in that particular instance! Infact we can equally apply this logic to the goals Messi scored as well

James Rodriguez scored 3 goals in 2 matches in the knockout stage including arguably the best in the tournament. How does this apply to Messi

Muller 2 goals and 2 assists in knockout games. 3 goals against Portugal na garri? Who has scored 3 goals against Portugal in one match in recent times? Are you comparing Portugal to Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria

Taaaa! Bosnia parked the bus? Ok what of Belgium, Holland, Germany Did they park the bus as well?

birdman: at least you have learnt some new words. i thought you were going to go megedefegede again. we thank God for that

You ought to change your name from birdman to birdbrain. Ozwor that cannot understand simple English

Nihilist: Slow your roll Mr Oga
Mikel Obi has 1 EPL, 4 FA Cups, 1 Carling, 1 UCL, 1 Europa, and 1 CAN to his name
Fernando Torres has 2 FA Cups, 2 Euros, 1 CL, 1 Europa, and the World Cup
It is possible to find passengers and stowaways(in Boateng's case) on the ride to success...

Torres at a time was voted the 3rd best player in the World that he laid an egg at Chelsea doesn't necessarily mean he was a useless player all along.

Mikel is a spare tyre at Chelsea I don't see where the comparison with Boa-tank arises. Boa-tank is a sure starter for club and country while Mikel is only a starter for Nigeria

We need to strongly review this hometown discount we are giving Adidas. £750m for Man U who have done almost diddly-squat in recent years?