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Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 8:49pm On Nov 13, 2018
Those people that the prophet of Islam were commanded to kill in the battle are NOT innocent.
They are guilty in the sense that they REFUSE to accept to Islam. The same command was also given in the Bible;
"All that would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, man or woman (2nd Chronicles15:13).

Pls go and read your Bible very well and stop using what was practiced in the Bible to falsify Islamic rulings that even forbid the killing of women and children.
Let me repeat myself; It is clear that Exodus 20:13 ONLY forbid the killing of an INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL; Not the killing of people that really deserved it.
My point is this: If Jesus is an innocent and righteous soul, then it is CONTRADICTORY to the way of God to REQUEST FOR JESUS' DEATH ON THE CROSS. God Almighty who says " an innocent and righteous soul MUST NOT BE DELIBERATELY KILLED " would not later contradict Himself by saying " an innocent and righteous soul MUST BE DELIBERATELY KILLED" on the cross before we can be saved.
If Jesus crucifixion is the only way to salvation, then those who crucified Jesus allegedly really deserved our kudos and honor. But does it make any sense at all to give kudos and honor to the murderers of an innocent and righteous soul ?
Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 7:21pm On Nov 13, 2018
Yes God may choose a way He wants to do something. But God would never choose a way that will contradict His own standard. The God's standard is that an innocent and righteous human being must NOT be killed deliberately ( Exodus 20:18). The same God would not contradict Himself by saying an innocent and righteous human being must be deliberately killed on the cross before we can gain eternal life

Isaiah 53 is completely nullified by Ezekiel 18:20-22 that says;
"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon
himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall
be upon himself. But if a wicked man TURNS (i:e
REPENTS) from all his sins which he has
committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what
is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall
not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which
he has committed shall be remembered against
him; Because of the RIGHTEOUSNESS which he
has done, HE SHALL LIVE.

It is now left for you to decide which one is wrong and which one is correct.

But it is very clear that Ezekiel 18 is far far more reasonable than Isaiah 53
Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 6:14pm On Nov 13, 2018
@ bedspread

You are lumping things together: believing in Jesus as being sent by God is totally different from believing in Jesus as sacrificial lamb for atonement of sins. It is quite clear that Jesus was refering to the former and not to the latter in his discussion with Thomas.
Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 5:33pm On Nov 13, 2018
@bedspread

Is the things of the God not meant to be accepted and embraced by a carnal mind? Now that it cannot be understood or believed by him as you claim, how is he going to accept and embrace it ? see the contradiction!
Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 2:29pm On Nov 13, 2018
@ hereeee

Your GRAND-MASTER GRAPHICS DESIGN
TRAINING will soon come to an end and you will meet your fate in the grave sooner or later. Prepare for the life after death!
Christianity EtcRe: How Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 2:20pm On Nov 13, 2018
@bedspread

My brother pls read my post again and again. The truth is very clear and distict from falsehood.
You believe that Jesus is God. Again you believe that the following statement came out from Jesus mouth ;
My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN me?
(Matthew 27:46)".

Yet God can never be forsaken by God because God is an indivisible being.
Christianity EtcHow Islam Continue To Protect The Glory Of Jesus Christ by Abdulgaffar22(op): 12:56pm On Nov 13, 2018
When we cut off all the stories embellishing the myth of Christianity, we can actually break it down to just this:


"God was angry because Adam disobeyed Him by eating the forbidden fruit. Due to this very disobedience of their father, all the children of Adam were spiritually condemned (Romans 5:12,17-19) . The only way they can be saved from this spiritual condemnation is for God to send His ONLY innocent and righteous son to the earth and have the children of the same Adam torture and kill him, so that God can forgive them and everyone else for what Adam did".


This is the Christianity in a nutshell and it points out the ABSURDITY OF WASHING AWAY ONE SINFUL ACT WITH ANOTHER SINFUL ACT THAT IS MUCH MORE GREATER . After all, if Adam's eating the forbidden fruit was enough to condemn all the future generations of human being, then would not the brutal killing of the innocent and righteous son of God on the cross do the same and even much, much more?

God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit (Genesis 3:3), but he ate it and therefore, he committed a SINFUL ACT.

Similarly, God commanded the children of Adam not to kill an innocent and righteous soul deliberately ( Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18), but they killed the soul and therefore, they committed an act of MURDER which is also a SINFUL ACT.

Consequently, HERE ARE TWO SINFUL ACTS that need atonement (i:e need to be washed away).

Therefore, ONE SINFUL ACT ( which itself also need atonement) CAN NEVER ATONE FOR ANOTHER SINFUL ACT.

IT IS ONLY AN ACT OF PURE RIGHTEOUSNESS( which itself does not need any atonement) THAT CAN ATONE FOR SINFUL ACTS.

We all know that 'murder' i:e killing an innocent and righteous soul in a deliberate manner is a SINFUL ACT that violate divine justice. This is the reason why God forbid it (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18) . Therefore, God Almighty can NEVER use such a SINFUL ACT(which Himself has forbidden and which itself also need atonement) to atone for the sin committed by Adam and, let alone, all the SINFUL ACTS of humanity. This is EXACTLY the place where Christianity get it wrong .

In other words, God Almighty who says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed" on the cross of Calvary before the humanity can be entitled to His forgiveness.
Honestly, the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory.

Since God is All-powerful and All-knowing planner ,He must have designed many ways to atone for our sins ; WAYS THAT WILL NOT LATER REQUIRE HIM TO CONTRADICT HIMSELF.

YES, THESE NON-CONTRADICTORY WAYS THAT GOD HAS CHOSEN TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS ARE PURE RIGHTEOUS ACTS (which themselves do not need any atonement). For example;
# Animal sacrifice (see Leviticus 16:20-30),

# Sincere repentance ( see Ezekiel 18:20-22, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 36:3 Ezekiel 33:10-16, ),

# Forgiving other people's faults ( see Matthew 6:14, Mark 11:25, Luke 6:37),

# Devotional prayer (see 1st Kings 8:46-50, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 ),

# Fasting (see Jonah 3:5-10 )

# Giving of charity and showing mercy to the poor (see Exodus 30:15-16, Numbers 31:50, Daniel 4:27 ).

# God's infinite mercy (see Psalms 78:36-39, Isaiah 43:23-25).


Please for the sake of God open and read all these biblical verses cited just above and see how God has been using these PURE RIGHTEOUS ACTS to atone for the sins of His people even WITHOUT the shedding of animal blood; talkless of innocent human blood. This is an important truth which NULLIFY one of the cornerstones of Christian theology that says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrew 9:22). In fact, it is interesting that according to Leviticus 16:10, 21-22, the animal which effectuated the atonement for the sins of the nation was not killed, but sent ALIVE out into the desert. This proved again that shedding of blood is NOT an indispensable condition for the atonement of sins.


In the light of all these facts, we are free to conclude that there is NO NEED for God to use a SINFUL ACT i:e delibrate killing of innocent and righteous human being on the cross (which itself also need atonement) to atone for our sins.


The Christians may want to argue that deliberate killing of innocent and righteous Jesus on the cross is NOT A SINFUL ACT because it was Jesus himself that VOLUNTEERED to die for our sins without being forced by God.

But if it is true that Jesus has volunteered himself to die for our sins, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him not in one time but in THREE different consecutive times (see Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that bloody sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if we assume that Jesus must pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him.
Furthermore, if Jesus had VOLUNTEERED to laid down his life in heaven, then why did he have to LAMENT on the cross by saying allegedly;
"My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN me? (Matthew 27:46)".
Does this sound like the voice of a someone who has VOLUNTEERED himself to die for our sins? Certainly not !
Therefore, if we are to accept all these lamentations and bloody sweating prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane to be true, then it is totally UNREASONABLE to proclaim that Jesus has VOLUNTARILY laid down his life to die for our sins. Therefore, the alleged killing of innocent Jesus on the cross is nothing but a MURDER. And murder is a SINFUL ACT that also need atonement.


Therefore, if God really want to atone for our sins and the first sin committed by Adam, He must have chosen from all the ACTS OF PURE RIGHTEOUSNESS LISTED ABOVE ( which themselves do not need any atonement ). God must have AVOIDED any kind of sinful act (that would also need atonement) to atone for our sins.

If this is true and God has nothing to benefit from the brutal killing of an innocent and righteous soul, then He must have ANSWERED that FERVENT prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane ( Matthew 26:36-44) as He used to ALWAYS answer his prayer (see John 11:42).
Therefore, Jesus must have ESCAPED the death on the cross in a miraculous way as stated clearly in the Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157), and he must have escaped the CURSE of God associated with anyone that died on the cross (Deuteronomy 21:23). Hence, Jesus could not have been the accursed person on the cross who deserved to be FORSAKEN by God (Matthew 27:46). Of course, it is totally IRRATIONAL for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God to be accursed and forsaken by the same God.


The assertion that Jesus was accursed and forsaken by God when the sins of humanity was laid upon him is not true .In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners. Each sinner has to bear and then atone for his own sin through SINCERE REPENTANCE from his sinful ways and then embarking on the acts of RIGHTEOUSNESS. See the evidence directly from God's mouth;
"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if a wicked man TURNS (i:e REPENTS) from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him; Because of the RIGHTEOUSNESS which he has done, HE SHALL LIVE. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should TURN FROM HIS WAYS AND LIVE ? (Ezekiel 18:20-23)".

And verily, I forgive sins unto any one who REPENTS and attains to faith and does RIGHTEOUS DEEDS, and thereafter keeps to the right path (Qur'an 20:82).

Again, see the evidence from unadulterated words of Jesus:
I CAME not call the righteous but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE; (i:e Jesus did not come to die for the sinners but to call the sinners to repentance) (Luke 5:32).

Finally, see the evidence from the unadulterated words of the original apostles;
“.....REPENT and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION OF SINS....(Acts 2:38)".

Have you now agreed that there is no need for God to use the brutal killing of the innocent and the righteous Jesus to atone for the sins of the sinners; it is the sinner that will atone for his own sin by REPENTANCE ( i:e TURNING FROM HIS SINFUL WAYS).
Don't you see that it makes a more perfect sense to allow the sinners to strive and atone for their own sins through SINCERE REPENTANCE than to make them relax and rely on the alleged death of Jesus for the atonement of sins which they themselves committed.

When you take off the BLINDERS that are blocķing your view, you will realize that the present-day Christianity (also known as Paulinity) does not make any sense and you will be forced to accept Islam if you SINCERELY LOVE Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is because Islam is the ONLY Abrahamic faith on earth that continue to protect the GLORY of Jesus Christ by insisting that he could not have been the ACCURSED person that was FORSAKEN by God on the cross !
Christianity EtcRe: If You Sincerely Love Jesus Christ You Will Be Forced To Accept Islam by Abdulgaffar22:
There was a time that many people believed that the shape of the earth was flat due to how it appears physically to their sense of sight. Now that is certain that the shape of the earth is not flat but SPHERICAL, can we say God has deceived these ancient people into thinking earth was flat or they possesed INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about the actual shape of the earth?
Similarly, those who witnessed the crucifixion event were not deceived by Allah: they only possesed INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why Allah said;
and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (CERTAIN) KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow(Qur'an 4:157).
IslamPlease Save One Or More Christian Souls by Abdulgaffar22(op): 12:57pm On Oct 09, 2018
And whoever seeks a religion other than ISLAM, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the LOSERS (Qur'an 3:85).
It was also reported from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“By the One Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die WITHOUT having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be ONE OF THE DWELLERS OF HELL FIRE".
(Narrated by Muslim)
If you REALLY believe in the verse of Qur'an and the Hadith cited above, then read the message BELOW. And if you are satisfied with its content, please SAVE one or more Christian souls within your reach by sending this message to him or her. By the permission of Allah, he or she may be convinced that Islam is the ONLY way to salvation. As you do so may Allah grant it as a means through which many Christians will embrace Islam. Here is the message;

THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY .

Despite their agreement on Jesus as a mighty prophet of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary, Christians and Muslims still disagree on some certain issues concerning Jesus Christ. One of the great area of dispute between Christians and Muslims is the issue of Jesus crucifixion. Christians believe that Jesus MUST DIE for our sins (John 1:29) before we can be admitted into the kingdom of heaven. In fact, Jesus Christ, and his sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and the most important basic tenet of the Christian faith. You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" which is usually used to represent Christianity stands for nothing but JESUS CRUCIFIXION. Therefore, Christians believe that Jesus crucifixion is true (Mark 15:25). But on the other hand, the Muslims believe that there is no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins before we can be admitted into paradise. They believe that SINCERE REPENTANCE from our sinful ways is enough to clean our sins before God (Qur'an 66:8, Ezekiel 33:10-16).Therefore, Muslims believe that Jesus crucifixion is NOT true on the authority of Holy Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157).


Base on this very DISAGREEMENT over the issue of Jesus crucifixion, it is IMPOSSIBLE for both Islam and Christianity to be a true faith from God at the same time. One faith must definitely be TRUE while the other faith must definitely be FALSE.

So how are we to arrive at the truth? Which faith is true and which faith is false? One of the ways to distinguish between a true faith and a false faith is by subjecting these two contrasting faiths to a COMMON TEST and see which one is going to pass and which one is going to fail. Since both Muslims and Christians believe in the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, I have decided to use it as the basis for this common test.

Consequently, a simplified list of all the TEN commandments of God given to Moses (pbuh) are cited below
1. “You shall have no other gods before me."
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, "
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. “Honor your father and your mother."
6. “You shall not murder."
7. “You shall not commit adultery."
8. “You shall not steal."
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
10. “You shall not covet"
(Exodus 20:2-17 )
Through our inborn knowledge that God bestowed upon us as human being, we all know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

Islam also agree with the fact that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.

But do you know what the Christianity says if ALL the people of the world decided to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses ? Indirectly, Christianity says it will be for the WORSE; this is because NOBODY will inherit the kingdom of God.

But how is that possible ? Wait! Do not be hasty. Let me explain it to you. Remember, one of the TEN commandments of God given to Moses is “You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13)- the sixth commandment listed above " i:e People MUST NOT shed the blood of an INNOCENT human being.
Now after the departure of Moses, if ALL the people of the Earth decided to OBEY this very commandment, who is going to CRUCIFY innocent Jesus on the cross ? And if innocent Jesus did not get crucified, how was he going to DIE for for the SIN of humanity ? And if Jesus did not die for the sin of humanity, then NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Have you now agreed that Christianity says indirectly; "if ALL the people of the world decided to OBEY ALL the TEN commandments of God given to MOSES, then it will be for the WORSE; Not for the betterment of humanity: because NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven". But this is totally AGAINST OUR INBORN KNOWLEDGE because we know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; NOT for the worse.

This is one of the simple ways to know that the present-day Christianity is NOT a true religion from God but a man-made religion . God does not require the blood of an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING before He can can forgive our sins. In fact, Jesus was NOT even sent to the entire world talkless of dying for our sins. By his own admission; I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).

But do you know the EXACT reason why Christianity failed that common test ? The reason is this; the wonderful work of God can NEVER be contradictory; God Almighty who says: "An innocent human being MUST NOT be killed (Exodus 20:13)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent human being MUST be killed" on the cross of Calvary BEFORE THE HUMANITY CAN GAIN ETERNAL LIFE .


OBJECTION 1 ;
The Christians may want to respond by saying;
The reason why God requested for death of an innocent human being is because God cannot just do away with His JUSTICE simply because He wanted to forgive us and grant us His salvation. Even in the Old testament, the bloods of blameless animals were usually shed before the believers can be entitled to God's forgiveness. This is exactly the reason why an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus) must ALSO be killed as our SUBSTITUTE to pay the price for our sins so that God's HOLY JUSTICE CAN BE SATISFIED.

REPLY;
But God has already made the shedding of ANIMAL BLOOD permissible (Genesis 3:21) even BEFORE it was legalized for atonement of sins. Can the Christians now show us where God has made the shedding of an innocent and righteous HUMAN BLOOD permissible BEFORE the advent of Christianity ? Besides if it is an act of INJUSTICE for God of love and mercy to FREELY forgive our sins and then grant us His salvation, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same God to allow His innocent, righteous and beloved prophet to be killed and then fall under His CURSE( Galatians 3:13) ? Where is the JUSTICE in torturing, killing and cursing a righteous soul in order to forgive and save the wicked souls ? Has God not stated in the Bible that the wicked souls can still have access to His forgiveness and salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE from their sinful ways ( Ezekiel 18:21-23,27,28 Ezekiel 33:10-20, Isaiah 55:7, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 )?

OBJECTION 2:
The Christians may also respond by saying;
But there was no any form of injustice on the part of God because it was Jesus that VOLUNTEER himself to die for our sins without being forced by God.

REPLY;
But who master-mineded the whole plan and requested for the death of innocent Jesus in heaven at FIRST INSTANCE ? Was He not God according to the belief traditionally uphold by the Christians ? Moreover, if it was true that Jesus had submitted his life in heaven, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that blood-sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if Jesus had to pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him. This very fact is enough to DISPROVE the assertion that says "it was Jesus himself who willingly laid down his life".

OBJECTION 3;
The Christians may respond by saying; but it is neccessary for Jesus to die on the cross as a way of demonstrating God's LOVE toward the world (John 3:16).
REPLY:
But why did Christians think that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God must be killed and cursed(Galatians 3:13) before God can show His love to the world ? Was there any DIRECT LINK between the death of Jesus on the cross and God's love toward the world ? Besides, what about the Old Testament believers that lived and died BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion; how could they have known about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ?


OBJECTION 4:
The Christians may respond by saying; but the Bible is an inspired word of God and it is too detailed and too explicit on the issue of Jesus crucifixion for us not to believe in it.

REPLY:
But how could Christians have believed in the ENTIRE Bible as inspired word of God when it has so many contradictions abound on its record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion . Can the Christians resolve the following contradictions on Jesus crucifixion for us?
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)

Question 3; How did detachment of the soldiers recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to the soldiers TWO TIMES ( saying "I am he"wink while Judas was only standing there watching (John 18:4-cool.
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion. So how could Christians have believed that all these irreconcilable contradictions were truly inspired by God ?
Christianity EtcA Very Important Message To All Nairaland Muslims by Abdulgaffar22(op): 9:08am On Oct 09, 2018
And whoever seeks a religion other than ISLAM, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the LOSERS (Qur'an 3:85).


It was also reported from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“By the One Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die WITHOUT having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be ONE OF THE DWELLERS OF HELL FIRE".
(Narrated by Muslim)


If you REALLY believe in the verse of Qur'an and the Hadith cited above, then read the message BELOW. And if you are satisfied with its content, please SAVE one or more Christian souls within your reach by sending this message to him or her. By the permission of Allah, he or she may be convinced that Islam is the ONLY way to salvation. As you do so may Allah grant it as a means through which many Christians will embrace Islam. Here is the message;



THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY .

Despite their agreement on Jesus as a mighty prophet of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary, Christians and Muslims still disagree on some certain issues concerning Jesus Christ. One of the great area of dispute between Christians and Muslims is the issue of Jesus crucifixion. Christians believe that Jesus MUST DIE for our sins (John 1:29) before we can be admitted into the kingdom of heaven. In fact, Jesus Christ, and his sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and the most important basic tenet of the Christian faith. You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" which is usually used to represent Christianity stands for nothing but JESUS CRUCIFIXION. Therefore, Christians believe that Jesus crucifixion is true (Mark 15:25). But on the other hand, the Muslims believe that there is no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins before we can be admitted into paradise. They believe that SINCERE REPENTANCE from our sinful ways is enough to clean our sins before God (Qur'an 66:8, Ezekiel 33:10-16).Therefore, Muslims believe that Jesus crucifixion is NOT true on the authority of Holy Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157).



Base on this very DISAGREEMENT over the issue of Jesus crucifixion, it is IMPOSSIBLE for both Islam and Christianity to be a true faith from God at the same time. One faith must definitely be TRUE while the other faith must definitely be FALSE.


So how are we to arrive at the truth? Which faith is true and which faith is false? One of the ways to distinguish between a true faith and a false faith is by subjecting these two contrasting faiths to a COMMON TEST and see which one is going to pass and which one is going to fail. Since both Muslims and Christians believe in the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, I have decided to use it as the basis for this common test.


Consequently, a simplified list of all the TEN commandments of God given to Moses (pbuh) are cited below
1. “You shall have no other gods before me."
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, "
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. “Honor your father and your mother."
6. “You shall not murder."
7. “You shall not commit adultery."
8. “You shall not steal."
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
10. “You shall not covet"
(Exodus 20:2-17 )


Through our inborn knowledge that God bestowed upon us as human being, we all know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.



Islam also agree with the fact that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL these TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; it will NOT be for the worse.



But do you know what the Christianity says if ALL the people of the world decided to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses ? Indirectly, Christianity says it will be for the WORSE; this is because NOBODY will inherit the kingdom of God.

But how is that possible ? Wait! Do not be hasty. Let me explain it to you. Remember, one of the TEN commandments of God given to Moses is “You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13)- the sixth commandment listed above " i:e People MUST NOT shed the blood of an INNOCENT human being.
Now after the departure of Moses, if ALL the people of the Earth decided to OBEY this very commandment, who is going to CRUCIFY innocent Jesus on the cross ? And if innocent Jesus did not get crucified, how was he going to DIE for for the SIN of humanity ? And if Jesus did not die for the sin of humanity, then NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven.



Have you now agreed that Christianity says indirectly; "if ALL the people of the world decided to OBEY ALL the TEN commandments of God given to MOSES, then it will be for the WORSE; Not for the betterment of humanity: because NOBODY will enter the kingdom of heaven". But this is totally AGAINST OUR INBORN KNOWLEDGE because we know for sure that if ALL the people of the world were to obey ALL the TEN commandments of God given to Moses, it will surely be for the BETTERMENT of humanity both in this world and in the hereafter; NOT for the worse.

This is one of the simple ways to know that the present-day Christianity is NOT a true religion from God but a man-made religion . God does not require the blood of an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING before He can can forgive our sins. In fact, Jesus was NOT even sent to the entire world talkless of dying for our sins. By his own admission; I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).


But do you know the EXACT reason why Christianity failed that common test ? The reason is this; the wonderful work of God can NEVER be contradictory; God Almighty who says: "An innocent human being MUST NOT be killed (Exodus 20:13)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent human being MUST be killed" on the cross of Calvary BEFORE THE HUMANITY CAN GAIN ETERNAL LIFE .


OBJECTION 1 ;
The Christians may want to respond by saying;
The reason why God requested for death of an innocent human being is because God cannot just do away with His JUSTICE simply because He wanted to forgive us and grant us His salvation. Even in the Old testament, the bloods of blameless animals were usually shed before the believers can be entitled to God's forgiveness. This is exactly the reason why an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus) must ALSO be killed as our SUBSTITUTE to pay the price for our sins so that God's HOLY JUSTICE CAN BE SATISFIED.

REPLY;

But God has already made the shedding of ANIMAL BLOOD permissible (Genesis 3:21) even BEFORE it was legalized for atonement of sins. Can the Christians now show us where God has made the shedding of an innocent and righteous HUMAN BLOOD permissible BEFORE the advent of Christianity ? Besides if it is an act of INJUSTICE for God of love and mercy to FREELY forgive our sins and then grant us His salvation, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same God to allow His innocent, righteous and beloved prophet to be killed and then fall under His CURSE( Galatians 3:13) ? Where is the JUSTICE in torturing, killing and cursing a righteous soul in order to forgive and save the wicked souls ? Has God not stated in the Bible that the wicked souls can still have access to His forgiveness and salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE from their sinful ways ( Ezekiel 18:21-23,27,28 Ezekiel 33:10-20, Isaiah 55:7, 2nd Chronicles 7:14 )?


OBJECTION 2:
The Christians may also respond by saying;
But there was no any form of injustice on the part of God because it was Jesus that VOLUNTEER himself to die for our sins without being forced by God.

REPLY;
But who master-mineded the whole plan and requested for the death of innocent Jesus in heaven at FIRST INSTANCE ? Was He not God according to the belief traditionally uphold by the Christians ? Moreover, if it was true that Jesus had submitted his life in heaven, then why did he pray so FERVENTLY asking for the crucifixion to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44) ? If Jesus had truly and willingly laid down his life in heaven to die for our sin, then he must have been prepared by God both physically and spiritually for this great task. In that case, there would be no need for that blood-sweating prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:44). Even if Jesus had to pray because of the FLESH that is WEAK, then that prayer should definitely be for the "STRENGTH" that will enable him to bear the task. It should NOT be for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him. This very fact is enough to DISPROVE the assertion that says "it was Jesus himself who willingly laid down his life".


OBJECTION 3;
The Christians may respond by saying; but it is neccessary for Jesus to die on the cross as a way of demonstrating God's LOVE toward the world (John 3:16).

REPLY:
But why did Christians think that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God must be killed and cursed(Galatians 3:13) before God can show His love to the world ? Was there any DIRECT LINK between the death of Jesus on the cross and God's love toward the world ? Besides, what about the Old Testament believers that lived and died BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion; how could they have known about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ?


OBJECTION 4:
The Christians may respond by saying; but the Bible is an inspired word of God and it is too detailed and too explicit on the issue of Jesus crucifixion for us not to believe in it.

REPLY:
But how could Christians have believed in the ENTIRE Bible as inspired word of God when it has so many contradictions abound on its record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion . Can the Christians resolve the following contradictions on Jesus crucifixion for us?

Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)

Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)

Question 3; How did detachment of the soldiers recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to the soldiers TWO TIMES ( saying "I am he"wink while Judas was only standing there watching (John 18:4-cool.

Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)

Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)

These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion. So how could Christians have believed that all these irreconcilable contradictions were truly inspired by God ?
Christianity EtcRe: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by Abdulgaffar22(op): 12:28pm On Sep 27, 2018
Those verses of Qur’an were not talking about the nature of death the prophet would encounter in future if he were to be a false prophet. But those verses were simply saying; if the prophet had fabricated against God SOME OF THE SAYINGS (NOT the entire message), then God should CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF (Laqo’tona) his aorta: the term “ certainly have” indicate that this event should have taken place in the PAST and NOT in the FUTURE(like after 23 years). Furthermore, the word used in the Qur’an is Al-wateen which is translated as aorta: which is quite different from the word Al-abhar used in the Hadith which means jugular vein. Again, the Qur’an makes it clear that the aorta of such a fabricator must ACTUALLY be cut off because of the word “certainly”. Yet there is no any evidence or indication that the aorta of the prophet was ACTUALLY cut off from that poison. If the poison has actually cut off his aorta, he would never be the one to say; “I feel as if my vein is being cut off” since he would have died before these words could ever come out from his mouth. Feeling that something has happened is quite different from ‘that something has actually happened’. How could a poison, which would go straight into the stomach, possess the power to ACTUALLY cut off the aorta? The prophet only said those words metaphorically in order to express the kind of pain and feelings he was passing through. If the prophet were truly a fabricator and God wanted to use these verses of Qur’an to prove this case to us, then one would expect his aorta to be cut off by THE SWORD (and never by the poison) in the hand of his enemy during one of the many battles he fought with the idol worshippers so that the fulfillment of these verses can be clearly seen by all without any further argument. But despite the fact that Qur’an said; We would CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF his aorta; yet God did not allow the prophet to be struck on his neck by the SWORD or KNIFE which would have been in perfect agreement with the what is written in the Qur’an. From my own perspective, God allowed such words reported in the Hadith to come out from prophet’s mouth only to serve as a test and trial for those who are furiously searching for any slight evidence to disqualify him as a true prophet of God. God wanted to test them: are they going to base their judgment on this questionable evidence alone and neglect all other clear evidence explained above which prove that the prophet could never have fabricated the Holy Qur’an. This is exactly similar to a kind of test and trial that God set forth for the atheists and evolutionists: are they going to believe that human evolve from apes by simply basing their judgment on the vague resemblance between the two species and neglect all other evidence which prove that the entire process of evolution could never have started at all due to natural law of entropy. Even if the prophet was able to survive for 23 years after his claim as a prophet of God but later died as a martyr by eating poison through the plan of the Jews living at medina by that time, he has already achieved his aim. In fact, that he was able to survive for complete 3 years after eating the poison as narrated in another hadith while his companion who ate with him died on the spot is another miracle on its own that also testified to his prophet hood. In fact, God deliberately spare his life even after eating the poison till concluding verse of his mission was revealed to him where God Almighty declare as follows: This day, I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My favor upon you, and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion(Qur’an 5:3). If the prophet was a great impersonator and great fabricator against God, then why would God have to wait for 23 years till this concluding verse was fabricated against Him? Yet He did not even allow Hananiah ,the false prophet to even live for a year before he removed him from the face of the earth (Jeremiah 28:1-17)
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—ALL THEIR SINS—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30). Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)". This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT refering to "cleanliness from already committed sins". However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins EVEN AFTER THE ALLEGED JESUS CRUCIFIXION. (see 1 John1:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a GREAT LIE deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
May God Almighty guide everyone of us to the truth before we die
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 11:13pm On Sep 07, 2018
All of you have won! Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 11:09pm On Sep 07, 2018
All of you have won!
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
@Emusan
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
@ Emusan
You wrote; "Sinful nature came when Adam disobeyed God". This is a FLAT CONTRADICTION. Think about your statement very well. How was he able to disobey God if he did not posses a sinful nature? Have you seen your contradiction?
Adam did not created with sin(he was pure) but he was created with a "sinful nature"; Otherwise he would not be able to disobey God AT FIRST INSTANCE.
HAVE YOU NOW SEEN HOW THE MANSION OF YOUR ARGUMENT CRUMBLE RIGHTLY FROM FOUNDATION.
But for the sake of argument, let us assume that sinful nature of Adam came in after he disobeyed God. Now explain to us EXACTLY how the Jesus crucifixion manage to solve this "problem of our sinful nature".
The consequence of the sin of Adam that make us to dwell on Earth is "Anger from God". This anger was subside after God has pardoned Adam when he seek for forgiveness on reaching earth. But it was already in the divine plan that we human being will spend a time in this life of hardship before we get back to paradise, a life of bliss. The wisdom behind all this is that it will help us to appreciate what God has done for us in paradise. If we have never tasted the life of hardship in this world, there is NO WAY WE CAN APPRECIATE the life of bliss in paradise. A poor man that later become rich will APPRECIATE MORE the bounty of his riches than a rich man that was born with silver spoon in his mouth. Am I not making sense? Pls also help enilove to do his assignment up there . Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 4:59pm On Sep 07, 2018
@ enilove
Get me clear very well. This is my point of argument; If Jesus crucifixion(J/C) is THE ONLY WAY to salvation for both the Old and the New Testament believers, then J/C must definitely had effect on the Old Testament believers like Abraham, Moses, Isaac and the likes. But there is no way for the J/C to have any effect on them while they were on the surface of the earth because they have lived and died BEFORE the J/C. Therefore, the only thing left for the J/C to act upon is their souls. My question now goes thus; Can you show us a verse to prove that J/C has definitely affected their souls POSITEVELY in one way or the other.
I did not say these Old Testament believers are already in heaven neither did I say they have already entered paradise. What I asked you to do is to show us ONE biblical verse to prove that the souls of Old Testament believers were in a certain state BEFORE J/C, and that they are now in a BETTER state AFTER J/C; Just prove that J/C has improved the condition of the souls of the Old Testament believers in one way or the other.
But unfornately, the biblical passage you brought did not prove any thing like that because it did NOT EVEN MENTION Jesus crucifixion. In fact, the passage seems to support my argument rather than yours. I have brought this passage frm the beginning using NKJV so that we can clearly read it again . Pls read below;
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h ]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i ] the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he LIFTED UP HIS EYES and saw Abraham AFAR OFF, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am TORMENTED in THIS FLAME.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is COMFORTED and you are TORMENTED. 26 And besides all this, BETWEEN us and you there is a GREAT GULF FIXED so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ 27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
You can see that even AT THE TIME OF MOSES( verse 29- 31), the SEPERATION of the righteous from the wicked by a GREAT GULF has taken place. Lazarus is in the bossom of Abraham receiving a certain form of "COMFORT"( verse 25) while the rich man is being TORMENTED in a flame(verse 24) We can see that Lazarus has attained a certain state of salvation. It is just a matter of time that remained for him to enter the paradise on the day of general resurrection. But the rich man has received the condemnation by being tormented in the flame of fire. All this is happening BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion. Have you now agreed that Jesus crucifixion has contributed NOTHING to the COMFORT OF SALVATION received by Lazarus and all other righteous Old testament believers. Therefore Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. If this is true, then there is alternative way to salvation. And if there is alternative way to salvation, then God must have answered Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be taken away from him in three different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion as confirmed by the Qur'an.
But if you want to argue further that despite the COMFORT OF SALVATION that Lazarus received in the bossom of Abraham, there is still need for Jesus crucifixion to make him and all other Old Testament believers to MOVE from "THIS STATE OF COMFORT" to "ANOTHER STATE OF COMFORT" in paradise, then it is now left for you to BRING A BIBLICAL EVIDENCE to support your stand.
I have seen your question. I will definitely answer you. But let us through with this issue of Jesus crucifixion. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
@enilove
You wrote;
"All the old believers who were righteous and never heard about Jesus Christ were not condemned . They were given opportunity to accept Jesus after his death :
John 5:28-30 KJV
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation...."
This is my reply;
The verse John 5:28-30 you quoted up there was talking about the general resurrection of ALL in the grave on the day of judgement ( read it again) . It is irrelevant to our discussion. So what do you actually mean by saying "they were given opportunity to accept Jesus after his death" ? Are you saying All the Old Testament believers have come back to this world in their second time to accept Jesus ? Including Abraham, Moses and the likes ? You jokes too much!
If all the old believers who were righteous and never heard about Jesus Christ were not condemned as you just admitted, then Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. Do you agree? If you did not agree then show us ONE biblical verse to prove that the souls of all Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion.
But if you agree that Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation, then there is alternative way to salvation. And if there is alternative way to salvation, then God must have answered Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be taken away from him in three different consecutive times(Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion as confirmed by the Qur'an.
Again, you said "it was Jesus himself that laid down his own life voluntarily. It was not God that kill and curse him". But according to you Christians, who demanded for the death and crucifixion of Jesus at first instance? Who was the master planner of the whole plan. Was He not God according to what you believe ?
My brother I can perceived that you have seen the truth. It is now left for you to revert back to Islam before you die.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 5:37pm On Sep 06, 2018
@Emusan
You have not answered my question; How did Adam get his own sinful nature? Is God not capable of creating him like an holy angel? Have you now seen that it is just how God created everyone of us from the beginning. We are created as such so that the attribute of All- forgiving God can be displayed on earth; We did not inherit it from Adam.
Jesus himself did not teach this doctrine. He rather disproved it . Read below;
Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; FOR OF SUCH ARE THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (Mark 10:13-14). If the concept of original sin is true and ALL the children of Adam are under curse of God due to Adam's disobedience, , then the all the children of Adam that die at a very young age will be AUTOMATICALLY entitled to be condemned in Hell. But Jesus statement cited above clearly opposed this.
Long ago before the creation of Adam God has declared to the angels that he wanted to create the generations of human being on the earth( See Qur'an 2:30). God only use the consequence of sin commited by Adam as a "MEANS" (not a "CAUSE"wink of our dwelling on earth; Just like God use the consequence of sex btw man and woman as a "means" of our procreation on earth; NOT a "cause" of our procreation
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
There is nothing remained in Adam and Eve. It is only a matter of time that remain for them to get back into paradise because God has forgiven them.
Besides, if we as children inherit our sinful nature from Adam as you Christians claim, then frm where does sinful nature of Adam came? Is He not God that created him like that ? Is God not capabe of creating him in the otherway round so that he would be completely immuned against commiting sins ? If this is true, then there is nothing that became added to our nature as a result of sin committed by Adam. It is just the perfect will of God that we are sinful creatures so that one of the divine attributes of God (ie All-forgiver) can be manifested.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
@enilove
1. So all the Old Testament believers (who did not have the slightest opportunity of even hearing the name "Jesus" talkless of believing in him and his alleged crucifixion) have already condemned ? Right?
If they are not condemned, then Jesus and his crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. And if you insist that Jesus crucifixion is indispensable for the salvation of all these Old Testament believers, then show us one verse, JUST ONE biblical verse, to prove that they were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion.
2. What did God REALLY want from Jesus crucifixion ? What EXACTLY did He want to gain from Killing and cursing His only beloved and righteous son ? To satisfy His own Justice ? Where is the justice in killing and cursing a righteous soul? To demonstrate His love for us ? What about the old testament believers that have died before Jesus crucifixion? How can they know about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ? To deliver us from the bondage of Satan? Did old testament believers who lived and died before the cucifixion need not to be delivered from the bondage of satan ? So tell us what EXACTLY did God want from Jesus crucifixion.
PLS for the sake of God respond to these two points
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 6:23am On Sep 06, 2018
@ Emusan
Now suppose this prostitute with the HIV virus meet a very good professional DOCTOR who has a son that he loved very much. But this very doctor, who really possesed the cure to ALL diseases, only agree to treat this prostitute on the condition that the skull of his only beloved son must be crushed by a sledge hammer.
When the prostitute asked the doctor the reason why his only son must be put to death before he can cure her from that HIV disease, the doctor replied that he wanted to satisfy his own conscience and to demonstrate his love and kindness towards her.
Pls for the sake of God, what would people think about this professional doctor ?
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
If the whole world is facing the curse of God on
Adam, then has that curse come to end after Jesus crucifixion since Jesus was accursed on our behalf according to Gal 3:13?
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time." (Qur'an 2:36)
Then Adam received from his Lord Words of inspiration. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.(Qur'an 2:37)
As you can see from the two verses cited above, Adam and Eve have already gone to the Earth before they repent and seek for forgiveness. So they remained in the Earth for the "CONSEQUENCE" of their sins NOT for "PUNISHMENT" from God for their sins. The similitude is case of a prostitute who has truly repented to God but still suffer from the HIV virus she has contacted before her repentance.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 3:57pm On Sep 05, 2018
why do we need to repent for the sin of Adam when the Bible declare that "the son will not bear the iniquity of the father" (Deut 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30 etc).
According to the Quran, Adam and Eve have asked for forgiveness and repentace for their sins(Quran 7:23) and God has forgiven them(Quran 2:37).
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
Yes I believe. Unrepentant sinners will go to Hell
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op):
According to Quran, you can only die once( Quran 23:99-100)
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 12:17pm On Sep 05, 2018
What do you mean by second death?
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 11:12am On Sep 05, 2018
The Jews are not only expecting Christ.They are expecting THREE personalities. Elijah, Christ and "That Prophet" (See John 1:19-25). According to Jesus, Elijah has come in the spirit of John the baptist. Again Jesus Christ has come. Then who was "That prophet" ?

Regarding your Isaiah 53, what is the view of the Jews on this chapter? Do they understand it the way the Christians understood it ? Pls go and make research on this. Besides, the way you Christians understand this chapter is incompatable with the rest of the hebrew scriptures. Read what is written below:

The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;
"The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS shall be upon him, and the WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED shall be upon him" (Ezekiel 18:20). Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".
One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?
Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;
"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT neccessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.
God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—ALL THEIR SINS—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30). Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)". This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT refering to "cleanliness from already committed sins". However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John1:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECCESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
You may want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talkless of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 9:24pm On Sep 04, 2018
pls go on to drive your point out because I dont really see any special likeness btw Moses and Jesus christ. Their differences are far greater than their likeness
Christianity EtcRe: Your Final Decision On Whether To Die As A Christian Or As A Muslim by Abdulgaffar22(op): 7:15pm On Sep 04, 2018
@enilove
You are yet to answer my question; If it is well grounded in the Old testament that the
coming Messiah will be crucified, then why is it
that it is that the same Jesus crucifixion that
serve as a STUMBLING BLOCK for the Jews to
believe in Jesus (See 1st Corinthians 1:23)? Think
about this very well. Do you know their scriptures
more than them ? By continue to proclaim that Christ was crucified, Jews will never accept Jesus as their Messiah because it is not deeply rooted in their knowlege that their coming Messiah will be crucified and then become accursed by God.

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