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The verse Deuteronomy 17:15 you qouted above is irrelevant to what we are discussing. God warned the Israelite not to appoint for themselves a foreigner as a king. What we are discussing is about a prophet which God will send to them. Besides, have you not read it in the Bible that kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews and be given to another nation. Therefore, even if we assume you are correct, then the era in which the Jews cannot have a foreigner as a king or a prophet over them has gone. Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’[ h]? “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.(Matthew 21:42-44) . The stone that builders rejected is the ishmaelites and now they are the cornerstone. This is the reason why Islamic nation survives till today despite the many battles it fought with its enemy |
You claim that Jesus is “like unto thee” (like Moses), I wonder why you forget that Moses was not son of God, neither he was human and god at the same time like Jesus is claimed by Christians to be. Moses got married and died a natural death. He fought the Holy war. Contrary to that Jesus never fought the Holy war, never led an army . Jesus never got married, didn’t have children and didn’t die natural death and never got buried like Moses. Jesus according to Christians died on the cross and rose again after three days, while Moses didn’t die on the cross neither rose again. So in what way that Jesus is like Moses |
The prophecy in Deut 18 does not say from israelites. It says "from among their brethren" I:e the brethren of Israelites. Of course the brethren of Israelites is Arabs; see Galatians 4:22-25. Prophet Muhammad is like Moses in many ways: Both are born in natural way unlike Jesus who has no human father. Both were given a code of ceremonial law. Both fight battles with their enemy and won. Both married with children unlike Jesus which remain bachelor throughout his life |
Which point are you trying to raise? That Allah is not Jehovah? Pls try to get a Bible translated in Arabic language. You will discover that there is no other name they used for God except Allah. Since God is the originator and creator of all languages, there is nothing wrong if God use Allah for himself in Quran because there is no any other name that Arabians used for God other than Allah. What you suppose to do is to investigate whether the description and identity given to Allah in Quran actually tallies with that of God the Jehovah. Reading those verses of Quran qouted in my original post is enough to convince you that description and identity of the author tallies perfectly with that of God the Jehovah |
In fact, the doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion is not neccessary. Let me explain my point. If this sin atonement throughJesus crucifixion is really true, then there are only two ways we can explain it. It is either this atonement make us have acess to God' s forgiveness for our committed sins OR this atonement remove the sinful nature the Christians believe we inherit from first Adam. Now see what the Bible says about these two issues: Before the arrival of Jesus Christ, God has been forgiving the sins committed by the people through sincere repentance: 2nd Chronicles 7:14, God Almighty says “If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will FORGIVE THEIR SINS and will heal their land.”. Again in Isaiah 55:7, God Almighty declares; let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thought. Let them turn to the LORD; He will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will FREELY PARDON. Furthermore, in Ezekiel 33: 10-16, God says; “Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then turn from their sins and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--that person will surely live: they will not die. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live”. Again sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion cannot remove our sinful nature because nobody can be completely free from commiting minor sins; If we say that we have no sin,we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us( 1 John 1: ![]() |
Baba alawo of yoruba people may give prophecies which might come true. But do they have a book like Quran which speak in the name of God of Israel. Please read those verses of Quran I qouted in my original post again and again. Do they resemble the word of gods of Baba alawo in yoruba land. What sort of comparison are you making. You are yet to get my point. Let me repeat my self. I believe in Quran as the word of God because 1. it speaks in the name of God of Israel and 2. All its prophecies were fulfilled . These are two conditions that must be met before a book can be regarded as the actual word of God according to Deut 18:19-22. The concept of original sin is something invented by Paul. The children cannot inherit the sins of the father . See what God almighty declare in the book of Ezekiel;14. But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: 15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. 16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the Unclad. 17 He withholds his hand from mistreating the poor and takes no interest or profit from them. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people. 19 “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.(Ezekiel 18:14-20) |
Seeing the love that Abraham have for his son, so God decided to test him by asking him to sacrifice his only son. It is a just a test- not that son of Abraham comitted a sin or not |
Now you are telling me that idol worshippers and fake prophets also have the same experience. Please show me the book that these idol worshippers and fake prophets claimed to be a revelation from God. It is not this shaking experience that is important to me. What really make me submit to Quran is the fact that it speaks in the name of God of Israel and yet all its prohecies were fulfilled- and what I experience is one of these fulfilled prophecies . So get me clear mr enilove |
Those who are endowed with wisdom know that Christianity is false because of the doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion. Both the begining and the end of this very doctrine is illogical and unreasonable. Let see the begining: how could an innocent and beloved prophet of God be under the curse(Galatians 3:13) of the same God for the sins he has never committed? Dont you see the contradiction inherent in this very doctrine; An innocent and beloved son under the curse of his merciful and omnipotent father. Again, see the end of this very doctrine: telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling the believers that, except they repent sincerely by turning from their sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is more logical and reasonable than the former. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of! Therefore, no amount of Bible quotations can change this illogical and unreasonable doctrine to a better one. Yet this atonement doctrine through Jesus crucifixion is the very foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected. |
It is an indisputable fact that Qur’an came after the Bible. Therefore, if the Christians sincerely and truthfully believe in Qur’an as the last and final word of God sent to the generality of human being, then they must have no option other than to accept Islam and become Muslims. But if the Christians insist that the original author of Qur’an is not God, then they must compulsorily believe its author to be a great liar and impersonator who spoke in the name and identity of God. The reason is that Qur’an contains many verses which appear to be coming directly from God’s mouth. Examples of such verses are as follows; “O children of Israel! Remember My special favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone (Qur’an 2:40-41)”. And that was Our proof which We gave to Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided. And before him We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. And Zachariah, and John and Jesus and Elias, all in the ranks of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha, and Jonah and Lot; each one of them We preferred above the nations. And also some of their fathers, and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to a straight path. This is the guidance of God with which He guides whomsoever He wills of His servants. But if they had joined in worship others with God, all their deeds would have been of no benefit to them. They are whom We gave the book, and authority and prophet hood…They are those whom God had guided. So follow their guidance (Qur’an 6:84-90). O My servants who believe! Certainly, My earth is spacious. Therefore worship Me and Me alone. Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you shall be brought back (Qur’an 29:56-57). When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he called on Me. Therefore, let them also obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be walked in the right way (Qur’an 2:186). We did not send before you (O Muhammad-pbuh) any messenger but We inspired him that there is no God beside Me; therefore worship Me (Qur’an 21:25) These are just few verses selected randomly from the pages of the Holy Qur’an. You can see that almost all of the first person pronouns like “I”, “My”, “Me”, “Our”, “Us” and “We” in all the verses of Qur’an quoted above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God. Therefore, it is a statement of truth that Qur'an actually speak in the name of God of Israel. Now let see whether all those verses of Qur'an quoted above actually come from God's mouth of Israel or they are the words of a liar that impersonate God of Israel. Let see what the book of deuteronomy have to say about this issue we are discussing. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in My name, I Myself will call him into account. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods,THAT SAME PROPHET SHALL DIE. And if you say in your heart; How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is the word the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:18-22). Base on these very verses, what then can we say about the Qur’an whose author spoke in the name of the Lord of Israel as shown in the verses quoted above? Are we going to accept it as the word of the Lord of Israel or reject it as the word of a great impersonator? In the verses of the Deuteronomy quoted just above, the only acid test put forward by God to distinguish His actual word from the word of His impersonator is that the word of such impersonator would not come to pass or come true. But Qur’an contains many words of prophecy which have come to pass and come true. For example, one of the great prophecies is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be victorious over his enemies (Qur’an 58:20-21). Another prophecy is that Islam will be established and continue to spread, and the number of Muslims will continue to grow (Qur’an 24:55, 110:1-2, 48:28). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be protected from destruction and corruption (Qur’an 15:9). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be made easy for memorization (Qur’an 54:17, 22, 40). Another prophecy is that people will continue to pay visitation to the house of God in Mecca (Qur’an 22:26-28, 2:125). All these prophecies are known to be true. If they were not true, we would not have a religion known as Islam and we would not have a book known as Qur’an at this present time. All these prophecies are general ones known to all. However, there are some special miraculous prophecies in the Qur’an that God bestows upon whomsoever He wills among His servants. In fact, it happened that I personally experienced one of these miraculous prophecies; for whosoever care to believe me. I swear by God that this incident happened to me many years before I later discovered that Qur’an specifically made mention of it in a very clear and definite terms. As a matter of fact, it was among so many things that motivated me to write this very write- up you are holding in your hand. As usual, I was just reciting the Qur’an on that fateful day. When I got to a verse which I could not vividly remember, suddenly, my body began to be shaking. This act of shaking, which lasted for almost a minute, was so strong to the extent that the Qur’an I was holding fell out of my hand. When this act of shaking stopped, my heart began to beat faster and all my skin felt cool. It was after many years, when I was reading the translated Qur’an that I came across the verse that read thus; God has sent down the best statement, a book that its parts resemble each other in goodness and truth, oft-repeated. The skins of those who fear their Lord shiver from it. Then their skin and their heart soften to the remembrance of God. That is the guidance of God. He guides therewith whom He pleases and whomever God sends astray, for him there is no guide (Qur’an 39:23). In fact, I could not believe my two eyes when I saw this verse. I was so happy but at the same time, I wanted to be sure that the word translated as “shiver” in the English translation of Holy Qur’an actually corresponds to the original Arabic word. This Arabic word is “taqsha’irru. So I quickly searched for Arabic- English dictionary and I later discover that the word can be translated as “shake or shiver or tremble or quake”. This is how that very incident strengthens my faith in Holy Qur’an as the word of God. My faith still increases further when I came across another verse which says; We will show them Our signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this Qur’an is the truth (Qur’an 41:53). Therefore, according to those verses in the book of Deuteronomy quoted above, Qur’an is the last and final word of God because of its speaking in the name of God and the fulfillment of its general and special miraculous prophecies. But If you think that I am only lying about my own personal experience I narrated above and that the author of Qur’an was only impersonating God, then wait for the day you are going to die and meet the reality of this very verse; And whoever will not listen to my words that the prophet shall speak in My name, I Myself will call him into account (Deuteronomy 18:19). |
Crucifixion is not the purpose of Jesus' coming to this world; But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and NOT SACRIFICE for I am not come to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.( Matthew 9:13) IF JESUS HAS COME TO DIE FOR THE SINNERS, HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT IN THIS VERY VERSE BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF HIS COMING WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS. HIS MAJOR PREACHING IS "REPENTANCE" |
Even logically, this very doctrine of " Jesus died for our sins" cannot be true because telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling the believers that, except they repent sincerely by turning from their sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is more logical and reasonable than the former. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of! |
Mark 15:22-25 has the time of the crucifixion commence at "the third hour" (which means 9am) But John 19:13-14 has Jesus still infront of Pilate at "the sixth hour" - noon, having not yet even set out on the journey to Golgotha . Again, Matthew says that the soldiers “put a scarlet robe” on Jesus (27:27-28), Mark says that “they clothed Him with purple robe ” (15:16-17). My oxford dictionary says scarlet means brilliant red. These are just two contradictions out of many contradictory reports on Jesus crucifixion alone in the four canonical gospels. Have you now seen that your so-called EYE WITNESSES are fake and unreliable. |
According to the gospel of Barnabas, there were disciples who knew about the deception involved in Jesus crucifixion; Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me, mother, for verily I say to thee that I have not been dead at all; for God hath reserved me till near the end of the world.' And having said this he prayed the four angels that they would manifest themselves, and give testimony how the matter had passed. Thereupon the angels manifested themselves like four shining suns, insomuch that through fear every one again fell down as dead. Then Jesus gave four linen cloths to the angels that they might cover themselves, in order that they might be seen and heard to speak by his mother and her companions. And having lifted up each one, he comforted them, saying: 'These are the ministers of God: Gabriel, who announceth God's secrets; Michael, who fighteth against God's enemies; Rafael, who receiveth the souls of them that die; and Uriel, who will call every one to the judgment of God at the last day.' Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another. Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, is it lawful for me to question thee now, as it was lawful for me when thou dwelledst with us?' Jesus answered: 'Ask what thou pleasest, Barnabas, and I will answer thee.' Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, seeing that God is merciful, wherefore hath he so tormented us, making us to believe that thou wert dead? And thy mother hath so wept for thee that she hath been nigh to death; and thou, who art an holy one of God, on thee hath God suffered to fall the calumny that thou wert slain amongst robbers on the Mount Calvary?' Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that every sin, however small it be, God punisheth with great punishment, seeing that God is offended at sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful disciples that were with me loved me a little with earthly love, the righteous God hath willed to punish this love with the present grief, in order that it may not be punished in the flames of Hell. And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, hath willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's law.( Gospel of Barnabas chapter 220) |
The practicece of facing the house of God while praying is not something invented by Islam. Such practices can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6 |
Of course it is Arab nation. Read Galatians 4:22-26 |
Even if I get banned for a very long time, I have already deliver the message for the sincere ones among you who really hope to meet God Almighty on the day of resurrection. |
This is one of the ways of shying away from the truth. Respond intelligently to the the write up or accept Islam. |
5. Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30, 2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6 and Exodus 32:30-33 all established that one person cannot die for the sin of another: the person that commits sin is the one who will die. Furthermore, Luke 5:32 and Mark 2:17 recorded a verse where Jesus said; “I have not come to call the righteous BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE”. If Jesus has actually come to die for the sinners, he would have mentioned it in this verse since he was talking about the purpose of his coming WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS. Moreover, if this baptism of repentance, in which Jesus came to invite the sinners to observe, is sufficient to atone and wipe away our sins as stated clearly in Acts 2:38, 3:19,Mark 1:4, Isaiah 55:6-7 and Ezekiel 33:10-20, then is there any need again for atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion? The original Jesus’ disciples, before Paul came into scene, were only commanded to warn the people with this message; Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 10:5-7, Mark 1:14, 15). There was no any reference of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion in their preaching. In fact , when Peter was addressing the congregation of Israelites after Jesus departure, he said to them as follows: Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Christ for the REMISSION OF SINS; and you shall receive the gift of holy spirit.(Acts 2:38). You can see that Peter and the other apostles only asked the Israelites to remit their sins by observing the baptism of repentance. Peter did not mention remission of sins through Jesus crucifixion in this long discussion he had with the children of Israel. Even logically, this very doctrine cannot be true because telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling the believers that, except they repent sincerely by turning from their sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is more logical and reasonable than the former. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of! 6. Christians believe that “the great light from heaven” that appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus after Jesus has ascended to heaven (Acts 22:6- was true Jesus Christ: yet Jesus said “if anyone says here is Christ or there, DO NOT BELIEVE IT (Matthew 24:23)”. Jesus also told the original apostles; “I saw Satan falling like LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN (Luke10:18)”. If true Jesus Christ would later appear to Paul in form of “a great light falling from heaven, he would have foretold this event to the original apostles before he ascended to heaven; instead of telling them not to believe in any one that came in the name of Christ and also informing them that he saw Satan falling from heaven in form of a great light.7. Christians believe that omnipotent God of love and mercy MUST CURSE (Galatians 3:13) and condemn His only beloved and innocent son almost naked on the cross before they can secure eternal life: yet condemnation of righteous and innocent soul is strictly forbidden in the Bible (Matthew 12:7, Proverb17:15, Exodus23:7, Psalm34:22). 8. Christians believe that God created All things through Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1:2, 1st Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:16, and John1:3,10): yet God Almighty declare that He created the Heavens and the Earth ALL ALONE: This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb; I am the LORD who has made everything, Who ALONE stretch out the heavens, Who spread out the earth- who was with Me at that time?-( Isaiah 44:24 ISV). 9. Christians believe that it is only the sacrificial blood of Jesus that can take away our sins i:e it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins(Hebrews 10:4): yet Leviticus 16:21-30 says" the GOAT will carry on itself all the sins of Israelites to a remote place and the man shall release the goat in the wilderness…..Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS”. ".There is no any indication whatsoever in the verse quoted above that the sins of Israelites were only covered and not completely taken away. To insist and proclaim that there is a difference between “take away of sins” in Hebrew 10:4 and “clean from all sins” in Leviticus 16:30 is only an attempt to resolve an obvious and irreconcilable contradiction between Hebrews 10:4 and Leviticus 16:21-30. The only way to resolve this contradiction is when the term “take away of sins” in Hebrews 10:4 implies complete removal of humanity sinful nature; and NOT achieving divine forgiveness for already committed sins. However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature by blood of Jesus is impossible as nobody can be completely free from committing minor sin; “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1: ”. Therefore, the contradiction between Hebrew 10:4 and Leviticus 16:21-30 still remain valid.10.Christians believe that divine forgiveness and remission of sins can ONLY be obtained by shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:22): yet in 2nd Chronicles 7:14, God Almighty says “If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will FORGIVE THEIR SINS and will heal their land.”. In fact, King Solomon prophesied that the Jewish people would earn forgiveness for their sins in the land of their enemies by sincere repentance and prayer where they could not have access to blood atonement sacrifices; "If they RETURN TO YOU WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND WITH ALL THEIR SOUL in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and PRAY TO YOU TOWARD their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and FORGIVE Your people who have sinned against You and ALL THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS which they have transgressed against You…” (I Kings 8:46-50). All these facts prove that Hebrew 9:22 is wrong by asserting that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. 11.Christians believe that performing miracles and wonders in Jesus name is an evidence for divine origin of Christianity: yet Jesus said : Many will say to me in that day ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? And then I will declare to them; I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness (Matthew 7:22-23). See how the Christians will be disowned and rejected by Jesus on the Day of Judgment! 12.Christians are programmed to believe that God should only be worshipped in spirit ; In other word, there is no need for any ceremonial act of worship like standing, bowing and prostration as observed in Muslims’ act of worship: Yet the divine mode of worship that God has chosen for the Israelites during and after the time of Moses is as follows: And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was standing above all the people; and when he opened it, all the people stood up. And the Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. Then all the people answer Amen, Amen! while lifting up their hands. And they BOWED THEIR HEADS and worshipped the LORD with their FACES TO THE GROUND (Nehemiah 8:4-6). If God should only be worship in spirit and not with body and mind as the Christians believe, then why did God establish such a ceremonial and physical act of worship for the Israelites as shown above? In fact, towards the end of the world, when many people would have accepted Islam, God prophesied as follows: For then I will restore to all the people, A PURE LANGUAGE that they may all call upon name of the Lord and serve Him SHOULDER TO SHOULDER (Zephaniah 3:9 KJV, NIV). This verse can only be referring to the Muslims who worship God (five times in a day) in the mosque shoulder to shoulder with the same pure Arabic language throughout the entire world. |
1. Christians believe that Jesus is ‘God in human form’ according to the doctrine of holy Trinity: yet in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to MY GOD and your God”. If Jesus is God according to the Christians, then can God have another God? Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in PRAYER TO GOD. If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself? Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? NO ONE IS GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being call good and then submit that all goodness belongs to God? 2.Christians believe that the official title for Jesus Christ is ‘son of God’: yet the official title Jesus gave himself in many verses of the Bible is “SON OF MAN”. It was even more than SEVENTY places that Jesus called himself son of Man in the four canonical gospel e.g. Mark 2:10, Matthew 8:20, 11:19 Luke 7:34, 9:58 etc. But hardly do you see where Jesus directly and personally called himself “son of God”. In fact, Luke 22:70 says: They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”He replied, “You say that I am.” Here we can see that when people asked Jesus that is he really the son of God. He replied them by saying: You (people) say that I am- It is not me that said it. 3. Christians believe that Jesus WILLINGLY laid down his life on the cross for atonement sacrifice: yet Matthew 26:36-44 declare that Jesus prayed to God and asked for the removal of "cup of death" in THREE consecutive times, In fact the prayer was so serious to the extent that the sweat of Jesus was like great drops of blood falling down to the ground (Luke 22:44). Interesting enough, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of Jesus was answered by God : During the day of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrew 5:7NIV). If this prayer of Jesus was only heard but not answered by God as the Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because of his reverent submission” would no longer have any reasonable meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV). Of course, what Jesus feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus was heard in that he feared, this implies that he escaped death on the cross. This is exactly in line with the Qur'an which declares that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). 4. Christians believe that Jesus was sent to the entire world: yet Jesus said: I WAS NOT SENT EXCEPT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Matthew 15:24). Now compare this Biblical verse with this Qur’anic verse; AND WE HAVE NOT SENT YOU (O Muhammad-pbuh) EXCEPT AS A GIVER OF GLAD TIDINGS AND AS A WARNER TO ALL MANKIND (Qur’an 34:28). See how Bible categorically declared that Jesus (pbuh) was sent only to the Israelites and see how Qur’an declared that Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to all mankind! In fact, when Jesus (pbuh) was sending out his apostles for evangelical mission, he also warned them categorically to avoid preaching to the Gentiles i:e the Non-Israelites: these twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, go not into the way of the gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6). This further corroborates the fact that Jesus was only sent to the Israelites. If it was already in the divine plan (i:e before Jesus came into the world) that the command of not preaching to the Gentiles in Matthew 10:5-6 quoted above would later be cancelled and no longer applicable, then Jesus’ statement in Matthew 15:24 should have been; “IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES” or something similar in meaning, rather than; “I WAS NOT SENT EXCEPT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL . If this submission is reasonable, then how could Jesus have said again; I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)? Are we to believe that these two contradictory verses (Matthew 15:24 and John 14:6) came from the same mouth of Jesus? Besides, how could Jesus have said “NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER except through him” when all the righteous believers in the Old Testament (who lived and died before Jesus arrival) were able to gain salvation and reconciliation back to God without having the opportunity to have any personal relationship with him. Because of this very fact, we are forced by reason to accept Jesus statement in Matthew 15:24 and neglect any other verses that opposed it. |
you are just wasting your time by claiming to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior because you are not an israelite for Jesus said: I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Isreal( Matthew 15:24 NIV). Have you not read it in the Bible that Kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews and be given to another nation ( Matthew 21:43)? |
Yes this long nonsense will be an evidence against you on the day you will leave this world. Unless you repent and accept Islam. |
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all they have, and spare them not: but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camels and donkeys ( 1st Samuel 15:3) But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king- bring them here and kill them in front of me(Luke 19:27) Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother (Matthew 10:34-35) They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ). Now what do you have to say about all these Biblical verses. All the verses of Quran you quoted above will be clear to you if you read them in their proper context. |
Finally is it possible that Qur’an was inspired by Satan? This is the most illogical and weakest of all the possible alternatives. In fact, a single verse from the Qur’an is enough to destroy this baseless assertion. Qur’an 16:98 declares as follows: When you want to recite the Qur’an, seek God’s protection from Satan the accursed one. How could Satan gives a command that before reading his book you must first of all seek refuge and protection with God against him? Does this make any sense to you? Since all the four possible options that people can evoke to explain the origin of Quran has been nullified, the only option which remain is that Quran is the word of God. Therefore God must exist. |
Muslims believe that God exist and Quran is the direct and actual word of God revealed to prophet Muhammad . However , majority of the non muslims believe that the book was fabricated by Muhammad (pbuh). Some people assert that he was taught by one or more secret human teacher(s). Again, some people believe that he was crazy. Yet some people went to an extent of saying that the book was inspired by Satan. These are the four possible alternatives that people can evoke to explain the origin of the Qur’an if they insist that the book was not revealed by Almighty God. In fact, all alternatives has been exhausted. Now, let us analyze these possible alternatives one by one. Is it possible that Qur’an was deliberately fabricated by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? It is a well known fact that he can neither read nor write. Qur’an 29:48 says; “Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before this Qur’an, nor did you write any book with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted.” Now If this verse is a great lie and the prophet could read and write, how could he have comfortably called himself illiterate in the Quran especially in the presence of his close relatives and friends who knew him very much? Would you lie to your people about the matter you know they are well acquainted with? Now given that he was truly an illiterate, then how could he have fabricated many verses and plagiarized the Bible and then come up with such an eloquent book like Holy Qur’an? Before he could come out with any fabricated or plagiarized verses of the Bible or chapter and recite it to the hearing of his companion directly from memory, he must have written down the verses, memorized them and rehearsed the recitation many times in private. Yet all these activities would be very difficult, if not impossible, for an illiterate person. We have never heard it in history that an illiterate person authored a book. Again, there are some occasions that Qur’an rebukes the prophet on certain issues. Once, the prophet was deeply engaged in trying to explain Islam to one pagan leader. He was hopeful that he would accept Islam. But, suddenly, the prophet was interrupted by a blind man who wanted to learn the Qur’an from him. The prophet did not like that interruption and this was seen on his face. He turned away from this blind man and continued his act of preaching to this pagan leader. After a little moment, the prophet received the revelation of some verses which admonished and corrected him for this action of neglecting the blind man. These verses are as follows: He (the prophet) frowned and turned away. Because there came to him the blind man. And what would make you know that he (the pagan leader) would purify himself or become reminded so that the reminder should profit him? As for him ( the pagan leader) who consider himself self sufficient, to him you give attention. And no blame is on you if he(pagan leader) would not purify himself. But as for he (the blind man) who came to you striving (for knowledge) while he fears Allah, from him you turned away (Qur’an 80:1-10). If the Qur’an was fabricated by the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), such a reproachful speech against him would not be found in the Qur’an. Furthermore, there was a certain instance when the prophet was rushing in his attempt to grasp the revelation. He was in haste and he did not allow the Angel Gabriel to finish before he would start his own recitation. Therefore, God commanded him as follows; Move not your tongue concerning the Qur’an to make haste therewith. It is for Us (God) to gather the Qur’an in your chest and to give you the ability to recite it. Therefore when We have recited it to you, follow its recitation. Then it is for Us (God) to make the Qur’an clear to you (Qur’an 75:16-19). In another place, God says; And be not in haste with the Quran before its revelation is completed to you (O Muhammad pbuh) and say: My Lord increase me in knowledge (Qur’an 20:114). If the Holy Qur’an was fabricated by the prophet, all these kind of verses- commanding him not be in haste but to listen carefully and also giving him confidence over the ability to recite the Qur’an- would not be found on the pages of the Qur’an. Moreover, there is one thing peculiar to a liar who deliberately lied against God for gaining a particular worldly benefit. This kind of a liar is totally different from a common liar who only lied to save himself from one kind of difficult situation or another. Such a deliberate liar against God is usually in a certain state of mind without him realizing it. He was being greatly deceived by his own mind. Within his mind, he saw good reasons and justification for embarking on such an act of deliberately lying against God. In other word, the evil of his action is made to be good and fair-seeming in his own eyes without him realizing it. If he truly realized that he has actually been deceived by his own mind, he would not have embarked on such an action. But such a deliberate liar commits his act of lying because there is no way for him to realize that he has been deceived by his own mind. The author of Quran clearly makes reference to this very concept we are discussing which shows that the author was well familiar with this concept. In this way, the author of Qur’an has actually liberated himself from the possibility of being among such deliberate liars whose their bad deeds are made to be good in their own eyes. Therefore, the author of Qur’an could not be one of the deliberate liars against God. If he were to be one of them, there is no way he can realize and know about this concept; because nobody would actually know and fully realized that he was being deceived and then still allow the deception to be continued . Such references in the Quran are as follows: Is he (i:e a true prophet) who is on a clear proof from his Lord, like him ( i:e a false prophet) to whom the evil of his work is made fair- seeming and beautified, and like those that follow their own lusts (Qur’an 47:14). Another reference for such concept is found in Quran 35:8 where God Almighty says: Is he ( i.e a false prophet), to whom the evil of his deeds made fair-seeming, so that he looks upon it as good ( equal to the one who is rightly guided)? Finally, every rational thinker will agree with me that a deliberate liar against God must have little or no faith in the existence of God. A person who is not mad but seriously resolved within his mind to deliberately lie against God in order to achieve some worldly gains must be totally or partially convinced that God does not exist. But contrary to the expectation of the Non-Muslims, the author of Holy Qur’an argue strongly in many verses for the existence of one true God in a very logical and convincing manner by making a lot of references to natural signs in the universe which truly point to the existence of God. Examples of such verses are as follows: Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered through the earth, are Signs for people who have faith with certainty. And in the alternation of Night and Day, and the fact that God sends down Sustenance (i:e rain) from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the turning about of the Winds are Signs for those that are wise. Such are the Signs of God which We recite to you( O Muhammad- pbuh) in truth. Then in what exposition will they believe after rejecting God and His Signs?(Qur’an 45:3-6). And among His signs is this that He created you from dust and behold you are human beings scattered far and wide. And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily in that are indeed Signs for those who think deeply. And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors: verily in that are indeed Signs for men of sound knowledge. And among His Signs is the sleep that you take by night and by day, and your seeking of His bounty: verily in that are Signs for those who hearken. And among His Signs is that He shows you the lightning, by way of fear and hope, and He send down water from the sky, and therewith revives the earth after its death. Verily, in that are indeed Signs for those who are wise (Qur’an 30:20-24). Have they not looked at the heaven above them, how We have made it and beautify it, and there no flaws in it. And the earth We spread it out, and We set thereon mountains and We have made to grow therein every kind of beautiful plants. To be an insight and reminder to every servant who turns frequently to God (Qur’an 50:6- . In fact, time and space would not permit me to quote more verses. Please read those verses again. You will agree with me that the author of Qur’an who explained the signs for the existence of God in such a logical and convincing manner can never be the same person who would deliberately and boldly lie against the same God. The natural signs that the author put forward for the existence of God must have prevented him from deliberately and boldly impersonating such God. Even if the author was seriously in doubt about the existence of God, then he would never have that confidence and audacity to put his life and soul in danger as the following verse underlined below would implied if we assumed that the author was impersonating God; Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We(God) have revealed to you (O Muhammad -pbuh),to fabricate something other than it against Us(God), then they would certainly have taken you an intimate friend! And had We (God) not made you stand firm, you would nearly have inclined to them a little .In that case We (God) would have made you taste a double portion of punishment in this life and double portion of punishment after death. And then you would have found none to help you against Us (God)(Qur’an 17:73-75). Before any one, who is not mad, can be boldly and deliberately put his life and soul in danger by challenging and impersonating God in this way, he must have been completely and totally sure in his mind that God does not exist. Yet anyone, who is not an omniscient, cannot be completely and totally sure that God does not exist: let alone the author of Holy Qur’an who argue strongly for the existence of God in a very logical and convincing manner by calling our attention to many natural signs in the universe which actually point to God’s existence. Now, is it possible for the same author to be totally and completely sure that God does not exist to the extent of having that confidence and audacity to ask God Almighty to punish him twice both in this worldly life and in the life after death? Certainly not! No matter how little it may be, the author must exercise some kind of doubts in his belief that God does not exist. Even if the author was bold enough to ask God to punish him twice in this world, the author can never have that audacity to ask God to punish him again in the life after death. In fact, this point alone, if properly understood; prove two things at the same time. It proves that God must exist and that Qur’an must be God’s word; this is the only way we can resolve the apparent contradiction inherent in a concept of an author who argue logically and convincingly for the existence of one true God but at the same time deliberately and fearlessly impersonate the same God to the extent of asking God to punish him twice both in this world and in the hereafter. All these points cited above are enough to prove that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) can never be the author of Holy Qur’an or a deliberate liar against God. Again, is it possible for the prophet to have a secret human teacher who assisted him to fabricate the Holy Qur’an since he could neither read nor write? But how can that teacher be kept in secret for good 23 years and remain hidden from his immediate family and companions who believed in him as true prophet of God? Besides, all the points raise above to disprove the plausibility of the first alternative can also be leveled against this second alternative because both presumed that the author of Holy Qur’an was an impersonator and deliberate liar against God. Furthermore, is it possible that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was crazy to the extent that such craziness made him to be a pathological liar against God? Before that craziness would be manifest to the extent of causing him to impersonate God and boldly lying against Him, it must have been detected and reported by his immediate family, and there would be no way to believe him as true prophet of God. Even if we assume that his immediate family managed to hide the secret from the public, there is no way for such craziness to escape the notice of the companions of the prophet who always stayed with him and believed in him as a true prophet of God to the extent of dying as a martyr in the battle field. Besides, how can a crazy author come up with such a clear and meaningful book like Qur’an? |
so to believe that an innocent and beloved prophet of God is under the curse of the same God is not nonsense? Dont worry when you die, you will know whether Quran is nonsense or not |
Before you consider the following premises of argument explained below, please bear in mind that On the authority of Holy Qur'an; 1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an19:30). 2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an21:91) 3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry (Qur'an5:110) 4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an4:158) 5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward the end of the world (Qur'an43:57-61) You may write anything you like to rubbish this thread. BUT PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE YOU PINPOINT WHICH OF THE PREMISES LISTED BELOW IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE REASON. Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS HIS BELOVED PROPHETS Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever, it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE HIS INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET Premise 3: Consequently, if there is a religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST SPEAK A LIE at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must be false. Premise 4: Similarly, if there is religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST CURSE HIS BELOVED PROPHET at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must also be false. Premise 5: But Christianity is a religious faith which proclaim that AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD (i:e Jesus Christ) MUST BE PUT UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD ( see Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) on the cross at Calvary before God can execute His program designed to forgive and save the sinners. Premise 6: Therefore, Christianity must be false. If Jesus has to die by stoning to death, then I may not have problem with that. But it is Bible itself that says Jesus was CURSED by God due to his death on the cross(Galatians 3:13). My point is that God of mercy would never allow His beloved prophet to fall under His curse for any reason whatsoever: AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD? IMPOSSIBLE! This is exactly the reason why Jesus must escape death on the cross and Quran 4:157-158 confirm this fact. In otherword, God may allow His beloved prophet to suffer (i:e TO BE PHYSICALLY CONDEMNED) for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" ( i:e SPIRITUALLY CONDEMN) His beloved prophet for any reason whatsover. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of Jesus was answered by God :During the day of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only heard but not answered by God as some Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted above would no longer have any reasonable meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus was heard in that he feared, this implies that he escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who could not see any other way of forgiving those who sincerely believe in Him except to curse His innocent and beloved prophet on the cross at Calvary" is completely far away from the truth. The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself. |
God Almighty declare: I, even, I am the Lord and beside me there is NO saviour(Isaiah 43:11) . Are you saying Jesus is God Almighty by asking me to accept him as my savior and not a prophet alone? If you say yes, then answer the following questions “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3). Therefore, if the Father is the only true God according to Jesus Christ, then how could Jesus be God ? Similarly in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD and your God”. If Jesus is God according to the Christians, then can God have another God? Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out to the mountainside to pray, and continued all night in PRAYER TO GOD. If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself or was God praying to God? Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why is he having someone greater than him? Can anybody be greater than God? Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? NO ONE IS GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and submit that all goodness belongs only to God? Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me”. If Jesus is God, why did he clearly distinguish himself from God? Finally in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”. If Jesus is God, why did he confess his ignorance about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to God? Can God be ignorant of anything? |
Several years after Jesus’ departure from the earth, a man known as Paul (also called Saul of Tarsus) who happened to be a great persecutor of Jesus’ disciples was walking with his two companions on a road outside Damascus to carry out more of his evil mission. In this spiritual state, Paul then saw a great light falling from heaven and heard a voice which said to him; ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting”. He believed this great light as true Jesus Christ (Acts 22:6-9). After some days, Paul started to be receiving some kind of special revelation (Galatians 1:12) from this great light that portrayed himself as Jesus Christ. Yet before his departure, Jesus forewarned the apostles as follows: Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)…“Then if anyone says here is Christ or there, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possiblye, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, then the vultures will gather(Matthew 24:23-28)”. In these verses, we are commanded by Jesus not to believe any account of a person who claims to have seen Jesus in a private manner prior to his universally-visible appearance to all . Jesus was telling us that his returning to earth again from heaven will be clear and unmistakable to everyone. Every eye from every point “east and west” will see him. The people would gather to see Jesus coming from the heaven just like vultures gather over the carcass. Hence, any private appearances of Jesus before this public appearance should be discarded .Therefore, if Jesus’ private appearance to Paul in form of “a great light falling from heaven” would be an exception to this great warning of not believing in private appearances of Christ, then Jesus should have foretold this exceptional event to the original apostles before he ascended to heaven. But Jesus did not foretell anything like that. Instead of pre-informing the original apostles that he would privately appear to someone like “LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN” before his universally-visible appearance to all, Jesus only informed them as follows;“I saw Satan falling like LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN (Luke10:18)”.See how all evidence is working seriously against Paul! But is it really reasonable to believe that it was Satan, and not Jesus, that revealed himself to Paul in form of lightning from heaven? Yes, it is not only reasonable but also probable because as at that time Paul was yet to repent from all the evil crimes he has committed against the true followers of Christ (Acts 9:1, 26:11). In fact, his spiritual condition was so bad(1st Timothy 1:13) for anyone to be sure that he possessed nothing of divine power and divine wisdom that could have protected him from such satanic delusion. If the great light that appear to Paul was true Jesus Christ, then one would expect Jesus to command him to repent immediately and secretly meet the original apostles of Jesus who were then living at Jerusalem. On the contrary, Paul even continued to boast and proclaimed that these original apostles of Jesus imparted nothing to him (Galatians 2:6). So Paul relied heavily on the special revelation he was receiving from his personal Jesus (Galatians 1:12). However, the fact that Paul contradicts true Jesus on many important issues is even enough to prove that the revelation he claimed to receive was from fake Jesus Christ. For example, God and Jesus forbid the believers from eating spiritually unclean foods and meat sacrificed to idols (Ezekiel 22:26, Revelation 2:14)but Paul wrote that there is nothing wrong in eating such things as long as you do not eat them in the presence of a weak believer(1st Corinthians 8:8-10, Colossians 2:16).Again, Jesus’ statement in Matthew 24:24 and Matthew 7:21-23 implies that; performing great signs and wonders in Jesus’ name are the things that would accompany the false christs and the false prophets. Yet Paul declare that performing great signs and wonders in Jesus’ name are the things that even commissioned him as true apostle of Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 12:12, Romans 15:19). Furthermore, Jesus said: Do NOT THINK I CAME TO DESTROY THE LAW or the (way of the) PROPHETS. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the LAW till ALL IS FULFILLED (Matthew 5:17-18). Yet Paul declares as follows: “Christ is the end of the Law (Romans 10:4). But BEFORE faith came, we were KEPT UNDER GUARD BY THE LAW, kept for the faith which after-ward would be revealed. Therefore, THE LAW WAS OUR TUTOR to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But AFTER faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR (Galatians 3:23-25). Again, despite the fact that circumcision is an everlasting covenant of God for the Jews i:e the Israelites (Genesis 17:9-14) and Jesus himself was also circumcised (Luke 2:21); yet Paul went ahead to write as follows: “Indeed, I Paul say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to EVERY MAN who become circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged (i.e. cut off ) from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace(Galatians 5:2-4)”. The term “EVERY MAN” used by Paul in the verse quoted above is indisputable evidence that he condemned the act of circumcision for both Jews and Gentiles. If this is not the case, then the Jewish believers in the Jerusalem would not bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill Paul (Acts 23:12-14). In fact, this single fact alone that Paul condemn the act of circumcision, an EVERLASTING covenant of God, is another prove that “the great light from heaven” that appeared to Paul on his road to Damascus was a false Christ as already foretold by Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry. Furthermore, Bible recorded that the number of Jesus apostles was somehow fixed to be twelve (Matthew 10:2-7, 19:28, Revelation 21:14). Therefore, when Judas Iscariot fell out and there was need for replacement and restoration of original twelve, then one would expect the divine plan to unfold in such a way that original apostles would be pre-informed by Jesus to exercise patience and wait till Paul repents. But instead of waiting for Paul, Matthias was chosen to replace Judas under the guidance of Holy Spirit (Acts 1:20-26). This proves again that apostleship of Paul was not even recognized in heaven. Yet Paul repeatedly called himself an apostle of true Jesus Christ at the beginning of most of his letters. The most astonishing part of Paul and his assertion of being among the apostle of Christ is that, unlike other writers, he almost never quotes Jesus in any of his letters. Yet this is expected from Paul if truly the light he saw falling from heaven was true Jesus Christ. Paul was also caught lying red handed; he was accused of teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses (Acts 21:18-31). But instead of proving this accusation to be true or false when the King Agrippa asked him about that accusation, Paul now claimed that he was being accused for the hope of the promise made by God i.e. the resurrection of the dead (Acts 26:1- and for the fact that he advised people to repent and turn to God (Acts 26:19-21). There is nothing like “circumcision and the law of Moses” in the answers presented by Paul to the King. In fact, Paul himself admitted to be a liar when he said: “For if the truth of God has increased through MY LIE to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner (Romans 3:7)”. Yet the same Paul wrote almost half of the books found in the New Testament. See the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected! |
Christians believe that God created All things through Jesus Christ(Hebrews 1:2,1st Corinthians 8:6 and Colossians 1:16, John1:3,10): yet God Almighty declare that He created the Heavens and the Earth ALL ALONE: This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb; I am the LORD who has made everything, Who ALONE stretch out the heavens, Who spread out the earth- who was with Me at that time?-( Isaiah 44:24 ISV). Similarly, according to Genesis 1:1-26 and Psalm 33:6, 9 God created all things by series of commands coming from God’s mouth; not from Jesus’ mouth. If God created all things through Jesus Christ as the verses of the New Testament listed above proclaimed, then what actual role did Jesus play in assisting God? Some of the Christians argue that since Jesus is “the Word of God” according to John 1: 1, 14 and God created everything through the word of His mouth, then there is nothing wrong in saying that God created everything through Jesus Christ. But is this argument really true? What is left unaddressed is when the word from God’s mouth actually became “the person” called Jesus Christ. If the word from God’s mouth has become Jesus before the creation of all things, then the statement “All things are created through Jesus” would imply that God was not alone performing the act of creation and this will contradict Isaiah 44:24 cited above . But if the word from God’s mouth became Jesus after the creation of some things, then the statement “All things are created through Jesus” is totally wrong. The only way to resolve this issue is when we assume that Jesus is God. But unfortunately again in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is God , then can God have another God? Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in PRAYER TO GOD. If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself or was God praying to God? Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “ My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why is he having some one greater than him? Can anybody be greater than God? Furthermore, in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? NO ONE IS GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject and submit that all goodness belongs to God? All these facts show that the new testament is wrong by saying that all things were created through Jesus Christ. |
If you follow and read the thread accordingly, you will understand the message I am trying to pass across. |
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PREMISES 1,3 AND 4. IT IS YOUR BIBLE THAT IS CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER. NOW READ : 14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: 15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. 16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked. 17 He withholds his hand from mistreating the poor and takes no interest or profit from them. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people. 19 “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.(Ezekiel 18:14-20) Have now seen that God always bless an innocent and righteous soul? God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer and physically condemned. But God would never curse such a soul. All what you are talking about is physical condemnation in the eyes of the people. But the curse that Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatian 3:13 was talking about is spiritual condemnation in the sight of God |
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