₦airaland Forum

Ikpeyi:
You guys should rest kwanu..


Hon. Chukwuemeka Nwajiuba for 2023

Why would we vote such a useless leader please shut up with this nonsense minister of education that isn't doing anything for his people nonsense

BKayy:
Mr Abohboy, we are not recruiting.
We don't want any of you people.
Stay your lane and work things out with your Bini brethren

Since when were you a spokesperson for all Igbo people

We have a strategic location and a rich history of trading on the Niger River we WILL control trade again when the government chooses to open up the Niger River for trade

Sebastine1994:
At least we can have a country to run to Incase of war or refuge crisis

No need for that what we need is to reconcile with our yoruba and bini brothers and from there try and educate the north if they are not willing to wake up and take charge then we have no choice but to leave them as southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria

BKayy:
Know that your plan will never work.
We use the same deception in Business where we sell the first for far below the price so as to get the customers to come back where we will finish him.
So you can't beat us in the game we invented.
Your plan is to praise or fake brotherhood with Ndigbo after which you will deal the finishing blow, catching us off guard.
You want your Aboh to enter limelight like the Ikwerre and Ika people did with Ndigbo being the Firewood for it but you will fail.

We don't know you, your Aboh, Ukwuani or Udoka or whatever your call it, Ndoka or Udoka. Try something else
Go back to your fellow Bini

Go and learn history we the ABoh controlled trade on the Lower Niger we are industrious people just like the igbos it was the british who undermined our influence and stole the monopoly of trade on the Niger from us, but through the Niger River we had access to the atlantic ocean and were able to trade well with the british, ijaw and the hausa.

And we are an igbo and bini people so we have a right to any conversation of ndigbo

Sebastine1994:
Really. Igbo the developer, why haven't we developed Cameron.

What does Cameroon have to do with anything?

Before British influence the Igbos occupied many different areas in rivers and delta state that had access to the River Niger the greatest of these was Aboh an Ndokwa-Anioma-Ukwuani people group who regulated trade up and down the River Niger, A german explorer said the trade volume up and down the river was twice that of the Rhine. If trade was able to be done by boat en masse back then. Then we can reintroduce that trade again it is the inadequacy of the government that is stopping the construction of a river port on the lower Niger to open up igboland to international trade

BKayy:
Point of Correction, Ndigbo don't surround Itsekiri but Ndokwa and Ukwuani which your Aboh is a major part of.
In other words, your people (Aboh, Ndokwa and Ukwuani) surround Itsekiri and were taken as slaves by the Itsekiri.
Ndigbo are miles away

If you look at my other thread you'd see that Aboh was a massive trade market where slaves, palm oil and other commodities were sold no Aboh man was sold in the slave trade whatsoever, Ndigbo were very close actually with Onitsha being very close

See even Ukpuru says the same of the Aboh People

BiafraInc:
Don't sound dumb. When has ethnicity ever been included in your nigeria census forms? You want to leave reality to hope on hopelessness? You need data to determine the population of Igbos and their guests in Igbo people's land? What arrant nonsense.

YES you use data to find out information if we don't have data then that's a problem

An example of a mid Sized Aboh War Canoes

BiafraInc:
Stop lying and misinforming the people. The correct word is MOST of them are Igbos and just a FEW of them are migrants from bini who are IleUbinu children from IleIfe yoruba land.

Who says MOST there's no data for this so i'm not going to make a speculation when we do the enxt census under a good leader maybe then we will be able to do an ethnic breakdown of the population

BiafraInc:
Spoken Ndokwa-Ukwuani-Anioma are dialects of Igbo and not languages. Thus the language spoken in Aboh is Igbo. What brings bini into this? That you have some bini migrants into those areas doesn't make their dialects related anyhow to bini language.

It does actually because a significant amount of Bini people came and their language became involved in ours we speak a dialect of the igbo language that's merged with aspects of the Bini language I can't give you examples because the language is dying out and only my late grandfather was able to speak it in our family

Admissionclass:
The binis amongst them were migrants refugees who fled Binni kingdom in large numbers to avoid being sacrificed,of course they intermarried with the indegenous igbos and lost their Binni heritage,it just like an Igbo child born and bred in Lagos everything about you will be Yoruba but you will know you are from the southeast..

I know that's what happened but for whatever reason my people consider themselves independent to a degree well not all of them those with obviously igbo backgrounds and names or those who know their ancestry very produly consider themselves Igbo but apart from them we simply call ourselves Aboh People or Ndokwa People

BKayy:
Trade monopoly on which people?
Is there any proof for that?

Yes there is. Every single British person that came up through the Niger River found that the Aboh People through their King ( Obi ) was able to regulate all trade and movement on the Niger River and even as they moved up they were still able to see Aboh People trading in Hausaland. The Aboh were such amazing traders that it's said the trade volume that they had produced on the Niger River was twice as large as the one seen on the Rhine in Germany one of Europe's most powerful nations.

They even had their own bronze currency that they used all along the lower Niger

AfricanColumbus:
This would mean the war canoe tradition is not an Ijaw reserve or may even not have been originally Ijaw?


If you're conversant with the war canoe tradition throw more light on it please.

It's not originally Ijaw based off of my research on the Lower Niger at the time thr Ijaw were simply salt makers and fishers not really concerned with war canoes unless it was an inter tribal thing it was the Igala and Aboh people that owned large war canoes able to fit 80+ people and armed with cannon and sophisticated guns this is why they were able to control trade all the way from ijaw land up to the confluence and beyond because of how strong their navy was.


I'm not exactly sure of how the tradition started but I know till this day in my village we still have these displays with our large canoes and our traditional war dances and songs along the Niger River

BKayy:
From your statement "Before the British expanded Onitsha"
I can deduce that the aim of this your lies is to throw your Shameless tentacles on Innocent Ndigbo minding their business.
Probably to make your Aboh people hit limelight by insulting Ndigbo like your colleagues Ikwerre and Ika have done successfully.
But let me burst your bubble "Ndigbo have changed"
Any attempt to iberibe on this thread will be met with more Shameless iberibe.

See his mouth "Before the British expanded Onitsha" as if Aboh is not the first recorded Igbo Community (When they were Igbo) to fall to Britain Shameless and declared a province when others were still fighting.

It's clear you know nothing about history go and read about the Political Economy of Aboh 1830-1857 you'll read in that book before 1850s Onitsha wasn't a waterside town and the people didn't really use boats that often it wasn't until the british set up a missionary school and trading post that Onitsha expanded to the riverside and started taking over Aboh's monopoly on trade.

They were not shamelessly defeated in any fight they were part of the Ekumeku Movement against the British and through out the 1800s they dealt with any british who tried to take away their power on the Niger River

Mrexcell:
But a lot of aboh or ika people are still vehemently rejecting that they are actually igbos maybe for political covenience.

Because not all of them are Igbos some of them are bini and some are igbos so we consider ourselves an independent people

SlayerForever:
This is somehow naive to say. Every Igbo tribe was independent.

Nope some were conquered or assimilated into larger kingdoms the Nri took over more areas around them and the Aro took over lots of land such as those of the Ohafia and Edda

Admissionclass:
Abohs were the first people to be called igbos (Eboes)

Yes that's true but they also have bini blood in them so it's a mix

vasel15:
Which language do they speak in aboh?

They Speak an Ndokwa-Ukwuani-Anioma type Language so they are essentially an Igbo and Bini Sub group but they were albeit an independent kingdom

K. Onwuka Dike an author wrote in his book " By the 1850s Aboh exercised what could be called an effective trade monopoly on the lower niger with war canoes capable of holding 80 men armed with iron and brass cannon"

Osaka70:
Good one

Don't bring this nonsense to my thread

This is a historical fact before the British expanded Onitsha

Aboh was the primary point of trade on the Lower Niger they controlled all trade that went up and down the river, they were the naval power of the Niger River at the time with their influence going up to Igala Land and all the way down to the coast they traded in salt, cloth, iron, brass and many other goods, the products they traded reached as far as Ghana and Egypt.

Thei Naval power was so strong that they defeated the British in multiple battles from the 1840s till the 1880s after which the British overwhelmed them and took over the trading system of the Niger River and transferred it to Onitsha

But One day Aboh will again become a vital point of trade and a River Port along the Niger River for now we wait for when the time is right

rvp20182:
Amblyopia like this:
According to a data by Index Mundi, a global trade portal on import and export, in 2020 alone, a total of 1.56 million tonnes of the grain valued at N350b ($780m) were smuggled to Nigeria’s neighbouring ports

Well they're now struggling to get that into Nigeria

Ariani:
Aros themselves were not fighters.
They had an alliance with fighting Igbo clans like Ohafia,Edda and Abam.
They were blood brothers to Aros and did the slave raiding and fighting for Aro people.

Really?

SlyDev:
Bini were using them mainly for ritual to their oba. It reduced when British invaded Bini and gradually stopped

Bro stop lying

SlyDev:
Oboy I've studied igbos very well, thier history is too embarrassing to be calling the shots.

You clearly haven't studied anything if these are your true beliefs

theTranscriber:
I see it as science

That's the Odu Ifa aspect of it

Ariani:
Itsekiris sold no Igbo at the coast. Unless you mean Ukwuani and Ndokwa slaves.
Igbo slaves were sold at Bight of Biafra ( Bonny and Calabar) slave markets.

You're right I checked again but the Ukwuani count as Igbos

ConqueredWest:
Aros never had any contact with the Itsekiris.

Aros were trading with the British through Calabar.

Aros got slaves mainly by tricks & trade and not war.

Binis and Aros never traded.

Aros didn't trick anyone they fought wars

If they didn't come into contact with the Itsekiri even better makes this argument shorter

Aro definitely traded with Binis most likely through smithing

Ariani:
Which Igbos in Kogi and Benue were conquered by Jukuns and Igalas?

Do you drink Omo?

The Umuezekhoha Izzi and Ezza clans in Benue have nothing to do with Junkuns, their lands were simply carved into Benue state.
They have their own Ezes and pay no tribute to any other kingdom.
Better guard your utterances here.

Why are you acting as if the Jukuns and Igala didn't occupy majority of the middle belt even south of the confluence where igbos and yorubas lived they conquered those areas they may have not paid tribute but they lost in war to the Jukun and Igala

SlyDev:
Itsekiri need eboe slaves, Aro need guns and weapons, they both need each other. Itsekiri can get slaves from another place while it will be difficult for Aro to get guns from other places.

Where else could Itsekiri get slaves from? When they are surrounded by Igbos? In fact the Bini stopped trading slaves in the late 17th century so the Itsekiri were in complete dependence to the Aros