Shma2020: No. But in some sections, it's quite inevitable considering the vastness of the highway. Pic one and two is the state of 80% of Nairobi expressway, the road passes in between the two existing highways. Pic 3 and four is a flyover.
This is counted as a flyover in Nigeria and is structued the same way as yours is an elevated road above another road i'm guessing the difference is whether or not it's part of an overall highway system like N3 in South Africa or M25 in England or is it how many lanes it has?
Shma2020: No one was talking about these emboldened.
For the expressway, yes. We're not overhyping it, we're just stating the obvious fact. Enlighten your self about flyover. Noun flyover (plural flyovers)
(British) A road or railway that passes over another, allowing routes to cross without interruption. Synonyms: overpass Antonyms: underpass, flyunder
Does it not run over an existing road all the way through as it shows in your videos?
Forget that Global Firepower list compiled by unsupervised kids. List the following in both forces for a proper comparison -pay - working platforms, ie choppers, armour, aircraft - battlefield success
Its not even close.
Pay isn't a factor in how effective a military is
Battlefield Successes ours are much higher especially when you count our independent foreign interventions under ECOMOG without help from the UN or US something Kenya could never do
E.g. Liberia and Sierra Leone
Also recorded successes in Congo, Mozambique, Angola and Mali among other countries
Meanwhile all you have is UN interventions and Somalia.
Actual military capabilities as in technology available we are way better every single website you go to will tell you Nigeria has a better miitary then Kenya without question it's only on this forum site where people will come up with such ludicrous claims as you have
Mkenya2019: Your military is definitely not better equiped. Unless you mean in dead stock of unmaintainable equipment
We have better and more tanks More Troops More Drones More wars won More Interventions More fighter jets and soon to be much newer with the JF-17s and the Tucano's More Frigates Basically everything we have is better then yours not sure what this argument is for any Military expert ( Which neither of us are ) can tell you for free Nigeria's military is better then that of every single country in east and west Africa only South Africa, Egypt, Morocco and Algeria can compare as well as Tunisia to a degree
Shma2020: We have many flyovers, zombie. And expressway is not part of it. It seems your puny brain is still struggling to fathom basic things. You don't need school education to know what a flyover means. Illiteracy and dimwitness will obliterate your sanity for good.
Both of you are delirious and make up fake stories and make ridiculous claims to sound smart you guys need to start acknowledging good work when you see it.
Lagos-Ibadan Railway is impressive riddership is low because of COVID
Nairobi Expressway/Flyover is being built very quickly and is much longer then any flyover anywhere else in Africa by over 27km Including Nigeria but Kenyans on this forum are overhyping it and it's getting annoying
Abuja Light Rail is better then Nairobi Commuter Rail by far it is not only faster but the trains are newer and the stations more modern ridership is low because there have been problems with herders inhibiting the speed of the train and because the line doesn't go through major population areas like maitama
Mkenya2019: The most important aspect of public transport - is to move people in mass quickly. People stand even here in Europe in buses. People are interested in getting to work and home in the quickest possible time - so they can enjoy their time at home. The ferry takes less than 10 minutes - it reached the end of island.
Nobody wants to spend 4hours in the sweltering heat of Lagos stuck in the bridge inhaling fumes.
10 boats - use that for fishing.
Who needs a mass ferry system when we have a railway system to carry 5 million people right now and we're alrrady getting major financing companies on the project
The only road that I saw of high quality in south Africa is that spaghetti road. But sadly that is an interchange which I wasn't talking about cos even Ghana has done a grand thing in that sector which no interchange in Sub-Sahara outside SA can rival!
Does a flyover not count as an elevated expressway if it's a part of a highway system? Because looking at this it just seems like a very long flyover so you could say the longest flyover in Africa but using the word expressway just doesn't fit imo
Mkenya2019: Kamikaze nonsense of the highest proportion. How does transporting 20-30 people in boats in city of 20m really help. Just buy freaking ferries for crying out loud. Mombasa has ferry services that move thousands daily
Lagos needs proper ferry services that will move people and cars btw the many island. NOT BOATS
A ferry that can carry 1,000 people at go, mayb 100 cars.
Mkenya2019: Actually, you should borrow to build infrastructure - or do PPPs - allow the private sector if they find it profitable. You can use oil money to invest in Nigerians - their very bad education - their poverty - and most important their SECURITY. You need to spend at least 12B dollars in your security sector to reach Kenya level. You're spending 2.5B - at the whims of boko haram, cattler rustlers, muslims jihadist of various forms, urban gangs, kidnapping, oil pipeline vandalism (now you produce less oil than you did 20yrs ago), and now south east has started armed civil war in Biafra
Our military is much better equipped then yours the problem is climate change and a poor economy meaning whenever the terrorists are dealt with more grow due to the bad environment if we can solve climate change problems in the lake chad basin and improve overall infrastructure and education within 10 years all our security problems would have been solved
Shma2020: Not even south africa. I've checked. Or if you have any link or pics you can just post.
It's more of a flyover right cause when I search longest expressways it brings up normal highways so if we're talking a normal expressway 28km is nothing now if this is a flyover it's different because as far as i'm concerned that's all this is so you mean to say the longest flyover in Africa not the longest expressway 28km is nothing for an expressway but a lot for a flyover
rvp20182: Yes 200k is low - a million - for a city of 4m plus would be ideal - for Lagos - you need something that move maybe 5m per day - if indeed it's 20m city.
Our commuter rail is stop gap measure - eventually we need to tear it done - and build a proper electrified metro line - radiating to all corners of nairobi...that can carry a million plus people
So you can admit that your commuter rail is subpar and trash and i've already said Lagos light rail phase 2 ( red line ) would ferry 5 million plus people daily at peak capacity and when the green line is finsihed by 2025-2027 then in total our light rail system should crry 7-10 million people per day
rvp20182: With new DMUs and hourly service - the projection is to hit 40,000 passengers per day.That would be like Gautrain - whose ridership keep dropping.
I thought anything below 200 000 per day for a commuter rail was low?
rvp20182: Wet dreams. Lagos-Ibandan - mere 100kms - was started in 2012 - and has taken almost 10yrs - to complete. That is crazy. Nairobi to Mombasa a line of 500km - took 3yrs to be completed.
The same with the rest. You are building 10Km per year. That is why there is Julius Berger towns all over Nigeria. Your country is broke and cannot finance project in timely money.
Materplan for lagos-ibadan railway started in 2012 actual construction only began in 2017 you constantly come up with these lies and for what? Project would have been completed in 2020 had COVID not arrived
rvp20182: It doesnt make any difference. Ethiopia one is carrying 200,000 per day. 1000 passengers can be carried by 10 buses - two trips per day - 50 passenger each a day That is just wasted of money in many level - that train is burning lot of diesel for nothing. Let write off the investment there -
Railway if it to carry passengers - should be playing around a million passenger per day - not 1,000.
So Ethiopia is carrying 200 000 passengers per day in these COVID times when in most other countries nobody wants to use public transportation?
This line opened a few weeks ago and during a recent surge in COVID cases you expect millions to be using it daily? infact what is the need for millions to move between Lagos and Ibadan daily?
Maybe every week they would pull in 2 million passengers in normal times but these are COVID times I tell you.
The reason for such low frequency of train trips is because not all of the trains have been put into operation, we've chosen to build an assembly and manufacturing plant so we can make our own trains 20% were imported pre made and ready for usage and the rest of them are to be assembled within Nigeria to build up our local train manufacturing industry
( We actually think forward )
And it's actaully four trips per day not 2, there is no wastage of diesel as you say because a profit is still being made from the project
It's as if you don't put any overall tbought into any of your arguments and just look for random ways to discredit Nigeria for whatever reason
rvp20182: Future tense. Delusion. Nigeria is broke. It cannot finance any capital project. Even that Lagos-Ibandan will not go into operation - its taken forever for 120km.
It's already in operation you idiot, go and search it people have been using the trains daily wait for COVID to pass over and we should be seeing millions using the line everyday
rvp20182: Kenya is corrupt but at least policy wonks are allowed to do their work - run projections, come up with designs, and all that - with fatcats coming to ask their 10 percent later. NIgeria is run like a cattle kraal.
rvp20182: So when do you expect your airport line to ever be populated. See the whole of Abuja is Potemkin village. Just because other cities have train from Airport to the city center - you started from it. And that is airport that is like 40kms from Abuja city center
Total waste of money.
As for Nigeria projects - none has been completed since 2016 when these thread started - and none likely to be completed - because you gov is BROKE. NO MONEY.
It will likely go the way 10B dollar rusted to the ground in the Ajeuokota steel mill.
The airport line will be populated when connected with residenrial areas use your eyes.
You say no project has been completed then what is the Lagos-Ibadan Railway doing and the itakpe-warri line doing as well both are currently being connected to Abuja as we speak.
And the Ajaokuta steel mill is currently being toured by Russian engineers the same ones who built it so they can give us an estimate for the price and the funny thing is it's already covered
Putin said he'd pay half of the price and we've gotten an 1 billion dollar loan from afdb for the steel mill so don't worry Nigeria will soon be high on the list of steel exporters in Africa
NTSA: Apparently it runs From some place called IDU to the Airport ,Earlier on, I thought it was a commuter rail running all around Abujas neighborhood untill I googled.
Idu is the interstate travel hub, so from the airport you can go straight to kaduna and soon Lagos and Kano as well so not through any of the population corridors which is the reason for low patronage but the next phases have already begun construction and will be completed in earnest
rvp20182: Not only that. It the most ridicolous wastage of money. It cost nearly 1 billion dollars. It carries 400 passenger per day. The guys going to get into plane . It beyond the pale. Nigeria is just full of cattle....led by a school dropout without even primary education.
Compare that to Ethiopia Adis - carries more than 200,000 passengers daily
Meanwhile Lagos that badly need such a rail system - has world worst commute - people sleep in their car for a week - those that commute have ot leave by 3pm/4pm - and arrive home past 10!!!!!! -
Yes because it is only the first phase and it doesn't even go through any of the major population corridors once it is connected to them usage will indefinitely increase for now it is lying wallow.
As for Lagos we've shown that two lines are already under construction and both will be completed by 2022-2023 the red line being the most important one going through mainland where most people live and ending in Lagos Island where most commuters travel to, so it essentially solves 90% of Lagos's traffic and congestion problem it is projected to handle 2 million plus passengers daily at opening and 5 million afterwards.
[quote author=Abohboy post=104433416][/quote]Nevermind guess I was wrong but your quoted figure of Nigeria at 25 billion dollars is false our budget is still much higher then yours
Mkenya2019: Very slow progress. Why cant Nigeria diaspora buy or build units.
Have you even seen Konza before spewing your mouth out of all Sub Saharan African countries New Smart or Modern Cities Eko Atlantic is the most successful one