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MuttleyLaff:
Nothing is wrong with you today see sire, only that you haven't been following the thread's train of posts properly and reading the holier than thou, him/her without sin cast the first stone hypocrite stance

I have been following the thread but you are abrasive today. That’s a lady and you can sense she has been hurt by rape directly or indirectly; if she is overtaken by error, why don’t you restore her in meekness, though it is a strenuous endeavor? I knew she wasn’t a Nigerian before she said so; let me tell you this, if she is an Asian, you would understand her railing from her culture and not put up this stance you are displaying.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁶There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
¹⁷Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
¹⁸A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
¹⁹A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers."
- Proverbs 6:16-19

List of what is an abomination to God, right there in Proverbs 6:16-19

Rape falls under the bolden - verse 18. What’s wrong with you today, sef?

khia:
Stating that rape is an abomination and the savage should be prosecuted under the law is not judging someone.

I said personal judgment. That’s the reason you are hurt.

All sin is an abomination: wrath, deceit, homosexuality, stealing, rape, forgery, racism, kidnapping etc are all abomination.. Every man will be judged - this should be your consolation.

khia:
What you did was leave it open for your savage roommate to go out and rape other women. No man who truly loves a woman could continue to live with a man who treated the love of his life with such hatred and degradation. Rape is such an heinous act.

I agree with you that rape is a heinous crime. My message wasn’t about my roommate; my message was concerning Sarah. After that incident, my roommate found it difficult to stay with me; I continued to stay in our apartment because there was no other place to go; Sarah knew my constraint and wasn’t bothered; as long as she didn’t come to visit me, she was fine. Did I love her? Yes! Should I have reported him to the police? Maybe, but I didn’t do so.

Khia, you are not harsh. But the danger in judging people personally comes when we don’t know when to stop; so, it’s better not to start at all.

Should the criminal be castrated, imprisoned, fined or killed? Let the justice system decide. However, let the victims take the initiative to forgive their attackers. If judgment were to be rendered to all of us, the earth would be but a few people; in everyone’s lineage has existed murderers or accomplices in murder - this should be our tenderness.

Forgiveness is usually the best option for the victim and every means of achieving it should be sort.

khia:
Well the law in Nigeria is different from the law in the US. It doesn't matter if you are boyfriend and girlfriend it doesn't even matter if you are husband and wife *Rape is Rape,* You should right your wrongs by atonement.

You will not forgive a man for doing to your daughter what you have done to others daughters, stop lying to yourself. You give me cold chills all throughout my body and soul. You are the boogie man that little girls are afraid of. Ewww!!!

Stop it! What’s wrong with you.

About a little over a decade ago, my roommate raped my girlfriend. I didn’t know until a few weeks later. We spoke about it; and she decided to forgive him; we also decided not to surrender our peace of mind to her attacker. We indeed forgave him and our love for each other soared after that event. Maybe she would have been devastated if she didn’t have someone who loved her in spite of the incident in which her virginity was taken away from her. I continued staying with my roommate for several months; and we never spoke about it.

Sarah died a few years later; but I am glad she passed away without remembering the pain that was inflicted on her.

Love covers an ocean of sin.

Maximus69:
Thousands have done it in the past my dear and the women later became their wives!
That's what God's word says, so who will be the judge to punish a man in behalf of whom his wife (the victim) now intercedes fervently for blessings from God?

You're looking at the matter from one side blurring your senses to the other side!

Let it rest.

khia:
But he must pay for his sins/crimes. Anyone can confess to their sins after destroying people lives for years only to save their own asses. You must reap what you have sown.

A man can not mock God; what he sows he would reap. One can confess his sins before men to escape justice; but no justice system in this world would stay the hand of justice when a man confesses; The sentence may not be fair but his name would carry with it that tag - ex convict. Before God, who sees the secrets of men’s heart and can’t be deceived by a lying tongue, justice must be served - in this life or the next.

The Bible makes us know that even when a sinner is converted, he would bear the consequences of his past misgivings (I don’t mean restitution towards men): one of Christ’s disciples always referred to Himself as a “prisoner of Christ” because of the wrong he did against Christ for which he was serving “time” for through immense suffering and service: The Bible says, For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality. From where this verse was culled from, it says to those who are even converted would face the wrath of God here on earth (while alive) if they indulge in the sins of the former lives.

But we know that many men commit crimes/sins and escape; live long, enjoy the good things of this world and given state burials; but when they die, they would be judged by God. His judgments are fair but unfortunately for that sinner, time wouldn’t exist and his sentence and suffering would not be limited by time.

MuttleyLaff:
I don't see the relevance in this question

Hi, wacky races laughing canine. I’m curious that’s all; can’t I ask an innocent question?

delkuf:
You will be waiting for a very long time

What church do you worship in on Sundays?

delkuf:
He is both irritating and misleading

If you make it to heaven, you will meet him there. So why don’t you take things easy on him, so that in heaven, you two will be cool with each other.

delkuf:
He is both irritating and misleading

Anyway we are waiting for you to do an exegesis on Revelations 12:11.

Maximus69:
Why is it that most of you often talk with immaturity?

Just listen to yourself!

You're chatting on some rules that a country has been using for centuries and while discussing about the good and bad side of the rules the next thing is to tell the one chatting with you "You are insane"

Am i the one who wrote those laws?
Aren't we just chatting friendly?

Please i'm sorry for engaging you in such mature discussions, forgive me i won't try such with you again!

...and women were taught patience and decency. Sorry. Please forgive her.

delkuf:
is not as if I better than him or something. This guy is just misleading with his post most times

I think he is one of the most objective personalities in this section. You and I may be irked by his frequent comments but he is far from misleading. One thing about Nigerians I know is this: we lack this will to continue in intelligent discussions because of our level of education or its quality - so we get frustrated and infuriated. This man has been asking you to explain (do an exegesis on) that verse in Revelations and you have been going back and forth (I mean no disrespect) - you are doing the Nigerian thing. Mr Kobo may be irritating but he is far from misleading anyone.

Righteousness89:
My Brother, One thing I won't do is to argue The Bible! Or speak grammar with the Bible!

My Advice to people is to, Humble yourself, Prayerfully ask GOD for understanding of His Word before you read..
" Open my eyes LORD, that I might understand your Word"
GOD Answers prayers from a sincere heart!

The Word of GOD is Not mere words or Grammar! It's power!

So bro ! Apostle Paul said after the first and second Admonition and a brother is still heady, you leave him.

The Blood of JESUS not only has a Cleansing power but is Able to Heal, to protect, to preserve, to Nullify, To Fight for the Believer who knows!

Since u decide it's not for u, Goodluck to you sir!

Just because you do something and it produces results doesn’t make it right: Didn’t Moses apply the word of God wrongly, yet it produced a good result? Didn’t Elijah offer a wrong sacrifice, yet it brought down fire from Heaven?

In the scriptures, the end doesn’t justify the means; God will surely speak against such false means. I have given you the scriptural doctrine; that’s the best I can do.

Righteousness89:
May the Lord have Mercy on u bro!

" My people Perish for lack of Knowledge "

That's why some of u are being toiled about !
When you don't know what you have!

The Blood of JESUS has been a Weapon for Spiritual and physical Warefare in my life and Ministry!

You can go on with your Beliefs! But I Advice you to take hold of what is available for you, so u don't be a Casulty in these evil and perilous days!

GOD Bless you

If my belief is backed by scriptures and yours is backed by experience, one will pass away and the other abide forever.

Righteousness89:
Young man , you again! Do you read your The Bible at all?

Or U just carry what is fed to you to spit out?

Read your Bible bro!

The Blood of JESUS and The Name of JESUS Are the Highest weapons at the disposal of The Believers.

Be careful so you don't be a false Prophet!

" And they Overcame by the Blood of the lamb "

In all scripture, ‘blood of the sacrifice’ means ‘atonement’: In the Garden of Eden, the blood of an animal was shed to ‘cover’ the sins of Adam and his wife. Their son, Abel, shed the blood of the firstling for the ‘best’ sacrifice God called for. Abraham intended to shed the blood of his son until God stayed his hand and promised to shed the blood of His son instead.

Leviticus 5:9 says, “He shall also sprinkle some of the blood of the sin offering on the side of the altar, while the rest of the blood shall be drained out at the base of the altar: it is a sin offering“. In the days of Hezekiah, the scriptures says, “The priests slaughtered them and purged the altar with their blood to atone for all Israel, for the king ordered the burnt offering and the sin offering for all Israel”. Space would not permit me to speak of the atoning purpose of the blood of the sacrifice; yet, I’ll go to the New Testament:

Matthew’s gospel gives this as a testimony to Christ’s meaning of His blood: “for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins“. John says, “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin”. Paul in his writings gives a pseudonym, The Blood of Jesus, to Christ’s atoning sacrifice on the cross of Calvary (Eph. 2:13). Peter says, “But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot“; which he said as of the Blood of Christ as the price paid for the redemption from sin.

You should have searched the scriptures yourself rather than arrogantly shoving off your brother.

The Blood of Jesus is not a weapon in any man’s hand; it is a weapon in the hands of His Father (Romans 3:25). How then can we know the meaning of Revelations 12:11? They overcame Satan by the atonement of Christ and the words of the gospel - the translation of the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

The modern day sprinkling of an imaginary blood is one of the infusion of pagan ideas in the church; they say, “I cover myself with the Blood of Jesus”. Weren’t we covered by His sacrifice before we were born? Did the scriptures say that the sacrifice was made once and for all? (Hebrews 7:27). Did our confession of faith not say that any suggestion that implies that there is a transubstantiation of the element of the Lord’s supper is superstition? This is what you are suggesting to the whole world - it is unscriptural!

I think you should apologize to your brother.

Cc:kobojunkie

Joycekkh:
Dipilated structures, well its still much better than my school.

What school did you graduate from?

AntiChristian:
How you take know say Satan get Vinegar? You don taste am b4?

Islamic laws are good for rape! So forget that. I won't accept any amount from a rapist to even marry my daughter!

It's easy to criticise Islam but see the laws of your LORD. No wonder you can't use those laws anymore except tithes!

According to the Mālikī, Ḥanbalī, and Shāfiʾī schools of law, the rape of a free woman consisted of not one but two violations: a violation against a "right of God" (ḥaqq Allāh), provoking the ḥadd punishment; and a violation against a "human" (interpersonal) right (ḥaqq ādamī), requiring a monetary compensation.

So what is the difference between the bolden and the Mosaic Law? You are either feigning ignorance Or you are ignorant.

Should I teach you financial principles, biblical theology; and the Quranic law too? I’m sure many people have given up on you.

AntiChristian:
How are you sure the Shekel in Bible was made of Silver?

Use your formula above and tell us how you arrive at 2 million Dollars?

The richest people can just keep raping and paying!

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Acehart:
You talk like a poor man. Poverty doesn’t seem to be your only ailment, I sense myopia too. The Law says a man cannot marry more than one woman; if he marries one through rape, where is the space for the second? If he rapes again, he can’t fulfill the law even if he has the power to restitute, hence, he will be killed.

You cannot mock God.

But in one religion I know of, many virgins would be given to the faithful without the consent of the virgin’s father or mother. She is snatched like a sheep by a wolf. Her dignity would be defiled for years without end; without restitution or the glamour of marriage.

AntiChristian:
People can keep raping and paying paltry money to the virgins they rape?

And Acehart let me break your heart!

50 Israeli Shekel = 14 dollars 23 cents= N5,514.13

In haste, you neglected the true value. Israel’s shekel isn’t made of silver. You neglected to recall the future value of money: F = P * ([1 + I]^N - 1 )/I. Perhaps you don’t know this because you are never objective; This vinegar of Satan is your juice.

I hope you have daughters. If any of them would ever be raped as virgins, may you not monetize their virginity.

AntiChristian:
The rich can keep raping and paying money to the virgins they rape?

You talk like a poor man. Poverty doesn’t seem to be your only ailment, I sense myopia too. The Law says a man cannot marry more than one woman; if he marries one through rape, where is the space for the second? If he rapes again, he can’t fulfill the law even if he has the power to restitute, hence, he will be killed.

You cannot mock God.

But in one religion I know of, many virgins would be given to the faithful without the consent of the virgin’s father or mother. She is snatched like a sheep by a wolf. Her dignity would be defiled for years without end; without restitution or the glamour of marriage.

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her must give the young woman’s father 50 silver shekels, and she must become his wife because he violated her. He cannot divorce her as long as he lives."

50 silver shekels: that’s like 2 million dollars. Wow. That would cause fear to go down the spine of any potential rapist - great law.

DAVE5:
I thought the gospel is supposed to be what multiplies a congregation that has its eyes on Jesus, if you've started saying women are gifted with one ability or the other then you've started going the way of the world and there have other motives

Or are churches now operating like banks that use women as marketers not minding what the women do to get customers so far their market base increases

Now catering to women and increase on church members rest on God and "women", so special attention is being placed on women over men?

There's a lot of things wrong with this post

I think the same way you do. Someone corrected him and received a bashing for his effort. His post is vile.

It’s a beautiful Taita Falcon. You would have to sell it at some point. It is a carnivore. It always needs to fly. If you would not like to sell it, look for resources online on how to train it. It may be useful for keeping away birds around the airport; and that is a lot of gain for you only if you train it and offer your service to the aviation authorities.

Good luck

Plead:
Where was your God when animals were raping his follower/worshiper in his sacred house?





Where was he when Coronavirus killed thousands of his followers in Italy?



God doesn’t exist my friend.

Her God doesn’t have any sacred house because He doesn’t dwell in any earthly house or temple made with hands.

Her God doesn’t know followers but His children. And I can give your half a million naira if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the virus killed any of His children in Italy.

If any of His children are raped by animals, His children would want to be raped seven times over if the animal would transform into one of God’s children because of their action.

You sound uneducated.

Elizersalifu:
Going by your explanation, now that we have an understanding of righteousness, do you still think that the 10 commandments would have the same effect as under the law?

Hi,

James still refers to the occupation of the believer in the Law of God in his letter, yet he was not under the old covenant (James 1:25).

P.S: Daniel 9:9-10 shows two laws existed under the Old Covenant - The Law of God and the Mosaic Law. When we look at Philemon 1:14: but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will, I would like to imagine Paul having God’s heart in that he didn’t want Onesimus to make a righteous act by compulsion; why? The next verse reveals that he had a long term vision of unity between Master and servant which will only ensue by the effect of free will. In Psalms 119, the psalmists speaks of how he delights to keep God’s Law with his heart (Psalm 119:10). This is in contrast to the murmuring we see by those who kept the Mosaic Law by compulsion (Malachi 3:13-15). The psalmist was under the Old covenant yet the Ten Commandments had effect on his heart by faith (Psalm 119:32-38) - it was a Law to be done liberally (Psalm 119:45).

In the new covenant, the Law of God is referred to as the Law of liberty. (James 1:25). Colossians 2 shows is that in new covenant, there is an annulment of the marriage between the two laws. The bond between them is broken by Christ’s atonement. While the law of Moses died with Christ (Col.2:14); the Law of God lives - not to be observed in rituals but in the heart. Therefore, it has the same effect as it did in the old covenant - it caused one to faint at his weakness and whole heartedly cry for salvation (Psa 119:5-6, 94) - this was disciple’s dilemma - "Then who can be saved?"

Romans 3:27 shows us that we are under a new law - The law of Faith - a pseudonym for the Law of God. So the purpose of the Ten Commandments is to create a sense of helplessness and arouse a cry for a helper; because no man can keep the Law of God without a Christ - This is the effect that existed from the time of yore till this present time.

I may not have presented my point succinctly, but you can fill in the blanks.

Kobojunkie:
Who preached to Abraham?
Highly likely because there were Laws that applied to foreigners( about 4 laws - The same that was repeated in the book of Acts by the apostles for all gentiles).
He read it both the remnants and the returned exiles of Israel.

Why were the repeated in the Book of Acts? Don’t we see the encouragement to the Gentiles to observe the Sabbaths and Holy days, howbeit voluntarily (Romans 14:5-6, Colossians 2:16)? Does that increase the four Laws you highlighted in Acts to five? Did the council in Jerusalem issue requirements the Gentiles similar time all 10 commandments?

Acts 15:9, 19-20: and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

Abstaining from things contaminated with idols and from things strangled is similar to the first three commandments because of the nature of these abominations. Fornication was part of the rituals in these abominations and it also finds it prohibition in the last seven commandments.

The Ten Commandment was made to all - Hebrew and Gentile who were present at Sinai. The Mosaic Law from its inception, was specifically for the Jew; and as you said, Ezra read the Mosaic Law to the Jews - remnant and exile, only.

Our grace is this: These ten laws are written in our hearts and we have the Holy Spirit to help us keep them.

Goshen360:
It is human beings that made such distinction by calling some ceremonial, moral and sacrificial laws because of the same way you're looking at those laws, that is, some deal with ceremonial, some dietary, some morals etc.

My point is, God never made such distinctions or categorization. The law when given to Moses all are law of God, because it was given to Moses to administer to Israel hence, it was called Mosaic law. There're many scriptures saying that the 10 commandments is part of the whole one package given to Moses but not one scripture saying it was they are categorized into this and that....it's true some are ceremonial and some dietary etc but when the Apostles debate in Acts, the debate for gentiles not to be under the law was a whole, not just some. So now, you as a Christian, when you don't commit adultery (one of the 10 commandments); that's not because the 10 commandments said so but because you have the Holy Spirit in you just like Joseph before the 10 commandments came. It is the Spirit guiding and teaching you now not the 10 commandments.

Exod. 24:12: “Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

Was this the whole of the law, or part of this? Of course it was all, that was 613 Commandments, not only 10. Here Moses is commissioned to teach them , this is why they are called Moses' law.

Deut. 31:26: “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;” The 10 commandments are included in chapter 5 of Deuteronomy.

Finally, we have discussed this topic too well too on this forum just like tithes. You don't need 10 commandments to guide you as a Christian, you now have the Holy Spirit in you guiding and teaching you beyond the codes of 10 commandments.

I am with you on the bolden and I have said so earlier - we keep those Laws easily because they are written in our hearts and the Spirit works in us to will and do it.

Thanks for your time anyway. Have a nice day.

MuttleyLaff:
The Biblical punishment, as it now stands, is you shall reap what you sow. Rapists will get their comeuppance in the end.

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The first ever law given, was in the Eden and it was Genesis 2:17's "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it ..." It equally served as a covenant upon which when broken, means automatic eviction from Eden.

The law, from the very beginning was there and sin is transgression of this law. Going against this expressed law brought in death and/or cause death to enter man's world.

Every principle, law or covenant are everlasting. In the absence of a stronger, more powerful, superior principle, law or covenant, existing principles, laws or covenants remain relevant, but the moment something stronger, more powerful, superior comes on the scene they become redundant, impotent, useless, ineffective, emasculated, weakened

Naturally human being obey the law of gravity the states what goes up must come down, but with the realisation of the law of aerodynamics, human beings now defy the law of gravity and so turn to pretend they can fly in the air just as like birds do, lmao

Laws, commandments et cetera essentially at a rudimentary definition, simply are rules. Rules, are set of explicit or understood regulations one is expected to follow in regards to conduct or how you behave yourself in particular areas of activities. Adam and Eve in Eden were aware of what the rules were. Even Cain, outside Eden, was informed by God that he Cain knows what right there is to do (i.e. Genesis 4:6-7)

Thanks. I know you like your narratives to hover over the TKGE (as you like to call that tree). One day, I’ll speak about what I think about the tree and why Adam are it and why Satan wanted them to eat from it.

Have a good day

Goshen360:
Brother, you're still shooting yourself in the feet....lol. If the 10 commandments was for people whose heart did not understand righteousness, now that you and me understand this righteousness, what then you need it, the 10 commandments for?

Moses law was never divided into ceremonial etc, it was given as whole one package. If you know a scripture that divided Moses law into ceremonial and other parts, bring it let's see.

I had meant to say that the Law of Moses was ceremonial in nature. The Mosaic Law, is bound between Deuteronomy 4:48 and Deuteronomy 28:68; we see ordinances concerning prohibited food, divorce, tithes, cities of refuge, leprosy, first fruits, etc. It had in its edict laws that regulated the society: laws of food, of purity, of morality, and instructions on whom to install as a king when Israel demands for one. These reasons (especially the Laws regarding the feasts) are why I said they were ceremonial in nature.

The Law of God, The Ten Commandments, was placed inside the Ark of Covenant. (Exodus 40:20). Moses Law was placed outside the Ark of Covenant (Deut. 31:26).

You could search a good study Bible or any source you are comfortable with to see that the Law of God is the Ten Commandments.

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Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant is everlasting!
No I didn't! I wouldn't say such a thing because, first, it is not true and second, there was no real definition for Sin before Moses.
At the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the Law of Moses was the established Law(1000s of years old), a reference to a new Covenant was just that, a pointer to a New Covenant, different from the existing one.
Huh?

You are correct sin had no definition before Moses. However, there has always been a knowledge of good and evil before Moses. Only that the commandments gave sin a front sit - a definition and consciousness of it.

for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead..