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Having sex without love, is just a complex form of masturbation.

Amongst many things I'd like to ask you, first is this: please explain what you meant by "Having sex without love, is just a complex form of masturbation".

AntiChristian:
This topic no clear at all from the Bible. People need to complete it.

Masturbation, Gambling and Alcoholism are not sinful according to the Bible.

Too many front and back!

In the exact spot Ibrahim told his son that God will provide for Himself a sacrifice (provide for Himself a son as sacrifice), that is the exact spot Jesus the Christ was crucified.

Dtruthspeaker:
We know that which is good and evil and The Law

Uhm

Kobojunkie:
Sexual lust, not masturbation, is sin in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28

Please answer with a "yes" or "No": can a man sexually lust after his wife? Is this lust counted as sin against him?

Kobojunkie:
In marriage, a man and woman are considered one.

I take this to mean that you affirm that masturbation in marriage is not sinful?

Kobojunkie:
Again, sexual lust, not masturbation, is sin in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28.

Regardless of a person's marital status, if he/she lusts in his heart after another, he or she is guilty of the sin of adultery.

When a man lusts after his wife, is it a sin?

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=113476263][/quote]

MindHacker9009:
Masturbation is not a sin. It is a way out God has provided for men not to quickly jump into a bad marriage with a jezebel.

Masturbation allows a man to use he mind and not his rod to to reason when looking for a good woman to marry.

Is masturbation wrong in marriage especially if a spouse is far away for an extended period of time?

Cc: kobojunkie

Dtruthspeaker:
Same as the Bible does not expressly state "do not smoke" yet it is known it is prohibited.

John 3 already tells us that anything you do in dark, you already know that it should not be done, else you would have done it in the light and publicly.

Are all things done in the dark harmful?

The Bible nowhere explicitly states that masturbation is a sin, but there is no question that the actions that usually lead to masturbation are sinful. Masturbation is nearly always the result of lustful thoughts, inappropriate sexual stimulation,and/or pornography. It is these problems that need to be dealt with. If the sins of lust, immoral thoughts, and pornography are forsaken and overcome, masturbation will become much less of an issue and temptation.

Many people struggle with guilt concerning masturbation, when, in reality, they would be far better off repenting of the sins that lead them to masturbate.

With that said, is masturbation itself a sin? While the Bible does not directly answer this question, there definitely are some biblical principles that can be applied to the issue:

(1) “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). If we cannot give God glory for something, we should not do it.

(2) “Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). If we are not fully convinced that an activity is honoring to God, it is a sin.

(3) “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20). Our bodies have been redeemed and belong to God.

(4) “The fruit of the Spirit is . . . self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23). Masturbation is almost always a sign of a lack of self-control.

These great truths should have a powerful impact on what we do with our bodies. In light of these principles, many conclude that masturbation is always sinful. Masturbation is a questionable activity, at best—whether it can glorify God; whether it can be done in absolute confidence that it is right; and whether it can honor God as the owner of our bodies.

If done with absolutely no lust, immoral thoughts, or pornography, with full assurance that it is good and right, with thanks given to God for the pleasure it brings (see 1 Corinthians 10:30), is it still a sin to masturbate? The most we can say is maybe not. However, we have serious doubts whether this scenario ever truly exists.

https://www.gotquestions.org/masturbation-sin.html

sidonlook:
Please can we talk more about her cheating on me.
Why every thing against men.
Woman slaps man, the man must have caused it. But man Slaps woman the man must have caused it too and tagged violence against women.
Life no balance atall.

The same judge of a man is also the same for a woman, and there is no partiality.

Dtruthspeaker:
Fraud, lack of consent, misrepresentation, conduct intolerable to live with, wickedness/evil, imbalance and exercise of a right to terminate the contract by any or no reason.

Thanks man.

cc: bignuell

skybodmas:
What if she cheat on him despite their marriage vow?

Same thing applies the her- God will hold it against her.

Kobojunkie:
What does it matter what the word treacherous means when the Almighty has denied refused to indicate divorce ss sin? You seem to rhink man's standard as far as morality is concerned is what is God's own standard. It doesn't work that way I am afraid. God's sets the rule as far as what is sin and what is not, and so when God does not list divorce as sin it means divorce is not sin - no room allowed for debate. Either you live by God's standard and Law or you reject Him for the world's way instead.

Yes, divorce is devastating but is it not sin meaning it is evil and sin against God to go around claiming divorce is sinful.

God pretty much washed His hands off marriage matters in Genesis 3 vs 16. Jesus Christ reminded men of this in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36. for those of His who will enter into it, He made a way out which is divorce which He hates since it is against His original plan for marriage but since man refused His original plan, and He cursed marriage as a result- made it of this world sad not ot His Hoiness.... not much to be done there.

nicely put

Kobojunkie:
No need to thank me! Just trying to point out that where it concerns God's Truth, the approach should be All-or-Nothing, so we don't end up making God seem a liar for our own private glory.

God hates divorce but since He cursed marriage in the beginning as a result of man rejecting His original plan even for marriage, divorce is the reality we are all to deal with.

And since God didn't list divorce as sin of adultery, we are not to treat it as such..

All divorce is not sin(ful). A man or woman who divorces his spouse due to treachery has not sin as the undertone of the text says. What does the word "treachous" mean? Does it mean the spouse was kind to his/her spouse? A man or woman that divorces his/her spouse because of betrayal, deception, danger, peril, hazard etc, the Lord will not hold it against the sufferer.

Bignuell:
What of if the two does not agree to walk together again??

On what grounds can a contract be nullified?

Kobojunkie:
Aren't we attempting here to change that which was declared of God now. Malachi wrote that God hates divorce with is True. So why change it to suggest He only hates what you refer to as unjustified divorce?

Thanks a lot

Dorwadora:
I read the text sir.... I'm only contributing to the post sir.... I do not oppose or support anything.

Have a nice day, Ms.

Neimar:
Omo una dy waste time
Cheat on her jare

Would you want that for your daughter or sisters?

Unshackled:
can you point us to any place in the bible where it was recorded that marriage vows were exchanged between husband and wife?

No verse expressly shows where vows were exchanged. However, this verse is profound in showing two people had some form of agreement before they tied the knot- Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Another verse is this: If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth (Number 30:2).

Whether a promise to a girl is made in secret or in the public, a man is bound by the words of his mouth.

Triangles1:
Cheating is inevitable in relationship, consciously or subconsciously you must cheat, eyeing of another person.

Do you speak to yourself or you speak for all men as one with full knowledge of all men?

Dorwadora:
I don't think God will look favourably upon an abusive marriage.

This teaching is the reason Osinachi died. Cheating to me is not only bleeping another woman or man outside the marriage. The day you try to rob your partner's happiness then you've cheated.

If the marriage does not worth staying, then kindly get da guck.

God hates unjustified divorce (You didn’t read those texts carefully. A woman would leave her husband if he has been terrible to her). We made vows to be faithful, caring and to protect. When ones breaks that vow, the spouse has valid ground to divorce.

God hates abuse.

tiswell:
it's vice versa





...don't cheat on him

Very true. Both should be faithful to each other

NNTR:
Ephesians 5:25
'Husbands, love your wives
[seek the highest good for her and surround her with a caring, unselfish love],
just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,'

1 Peter 3:7
'In the same way, you husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way
[with great gentleness and tact, and with an intelligent regard for the marriage relationship],
as with someone physically weaker, since she is a woman.
Show her honor and respect as a fellow heir of the grace of life,
so that your prayers will not be hindered or ineffective.'

Cheating, isnt any part of the fruit of the Spirit

Malachi 2:13-16
'13This is another thing you do:
you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with [your own] weeping and sighing,
because the LORD no longer regards your offering or accepts it with favor from your hand.
14But you say, “Why [does He reject it]?”
Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth,
against whom you have dealt treacherously.
Yet she is your marriage companion and the wife of your covenant [made by your vows].
15But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit.
And what did that one do while seeking a godly offspring?
Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth.
16“For I hate divorce,” says the LORD, the God of Israel,
“and him who covers his garment with wrong and violence,” says the LORD of hosts.
“Therefore keep watch on your spirit, so that you do not deal treacherously [with your wife].'

God hates unjustified divorce!

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Truly, God hates unjustified divorce. There are even several grounds to which a contract can be nullified amongst which are: There was a lack of consideration, and when fraud (namely false representation of facts) has been committed. The latter is the one the Christ made mention of in the Divorce discourse. In this text, it’s the lack of consideration of one’s vow. The penalties or consequences rather are immense.

Kobojunkie:
Yet the same God is written to have divorced Israel , before taking her back - Jeremiah 3

The same God allows for divorce in His New Covenant, remarriage only in the case of fornication meaning the woman/man who has been cheated on does not stay shackled to the source of his/her heart break longer than is necessary - Matthew 5 vs 30 - 32 & Matthew 19 vs 1 - 11

Thanks, for your point of view.

“Here is another thing you do. You cover the Lord’s altar with tears, weeping and groaning because he pays no attention to your offerings and doesn’t accept them with pleasure. You cry out, “Why doesn’t the Lord accept my worship?” I’ll tell you why!

Because the Lord witnessed the vows you and your wife made when you were young. But you have been unfaithful to her, though she remained your faithful partner, the wife of your marriage vows. Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union.

So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty, ” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.””
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[quote author=LordReed post=112848050][/quote]Jesus (Yeshua) is God. He came in bodily form. He lived as a man. He endured this like a man. Anyone who doesn’t believe He came to world, by His Omni-potency, to be a man, does so because He wouldn’t want to believe; by several occurrences in the galaxy and by testimonies of many, the atheist wouldn’t believe. The only “God” the atheist believe is his mind; the only testimony he will believe is the voice of his mind. The doctrine of the atheist is unbelief. Unless the atheist sees the creator of all things in his true form, he would not believe and even if the true form is revealed, his mind would never accept it because two captains can not steer a ship.

[quote author=LordReed post=112697541][/quote]Yeah, I mean I can't help thinking of when I have for example taking off the the top of the termite hill and I've seen termites in there all busying about building walls, looking after the Queen, caring for the pupae, clearing the nest, all busy and Partizan. Then they're all blind and they haven't the faintest idea that I am there watching what they're doing because they don't have those sense organs which would allow them to know that. I do sometimes feel
that maybe I'm lacking in some sense organ; I don't know whether there's anybody else (up there watching) involved in all this sort of thing and it's a very confident thing to say that are you’re absolutely sure that there's nothing in this world that I don't have the sense organs to appreciate- that would be my position, and Richard I don't that would say (of me), well that's rather feeble that's not being very brave and the human (those who believe there is unseen being) maybe he's got a case.

Sir David Attenborough position on the possibility of the presence of a “God” (on BBC hard talk)

Suicide has a deep and lasting impact on those left behind. The scars left by a suicide are painful, and they do not heal easily. Let me give an example: many years ago, when it was a custom to research a family background before marriage is proposed, one of the things families search for amongst other things is the history of suicide in that family. If you lived in those times, and you left a younger sister behind, she would grow old without having a husband (marriage was a pearl in every girl’s heart)- she will be mocked- she may not make it to old age.

Having the feeling of suicide is feeling great men have felt and they overcame it when they remember that as the psalmist said, “My times are in your hands” (Psalm 31:15)

What is Sin? It is many things we do that impact mankind negatively, and are averse to the will of God.

God is the giver of life. He gives it, and He takes it away (Job 1:21). The taking of one’s own life is ungodly because it rejects God’s gift of life. If you don’t regard God, please think of those whose lives will be impacted by your ‘departure’.

LordReed:
This is funny. I responded to your post without any attack on you but you deemed it fit to respond with puerile condescension then tomorrow the likes of you will say atheists just love to insult. Glad you did anyway so I know not to waste my time with the conversation.

A bruised reed the Lord will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the coastlands will put their hope.” – Isaiah 42:3-4

AntiChristian:
Is the Bible you are quoting your words and your reasoning or that of others?

Actually i am a graduate with one of the best results in my set. You guys that profess having the Holy spirit are such failures. You can't even guess anything right despite all your Holy Spirit.

When we talk about religion, we seldom use our words or thoughts/reasoning. It's the scriptures and it understandings we state....

What primary school, secondary school and university did you graduate from? What was your course of study, and could you furnish us with your CGPA?

LordReed:
No, however corroborating stories allow us to get a better picture of the events of that period. Soldiers love telling tales of their time in service something as wonderful as seeing angels would have been a big story if indeed it had occurred. Besides no way Roman soldiers would report to Jewish elders, that is totally absurd. More likely they would report to their centurions or legates and those ones would keep a record even if they didn't do anything to the soliders, the Romans where very meticulous record keepers. Also the idea that Roman soldiers would be detailed to guard a tomb is another rather unlikely idea. Unless the Romans thought his death or body would be used to forment sedition and according to the tale the Romans didn't suspect Jesus of sedition nor were his followers known to be a seditious bunch.

The bold texts tells me these: you are a soldier or you have uncles and aunts in the army and they all tell stores or you are all-knowing as you say “(all) soldiers love telling tales” or you are drenched in Hollywood war movies that you can’t separate real life from moving pictures. (Even Captain Miller in ‘Saving Private Ryan’ didn’t tell stories). Since you believe fictitious characters, why don’t you believe a fictitious Bible?

Be that as it may, the precautions taken at the tomb of the risen Christ consisted of three things - the large 2000kg stone, the Roman seal, and the guard.

1. The Stone

The Bible says that a large stone was rolled in front of the tomb of Jesus. On an average, it would take 100 men to lift 1000 pounds (453kg).

Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away (Matthew 27:59,60).

This stone, not only sealed the tomb, it also would have made it difficult for 300 men to come right in and steal the body.

2. The Roman Seal

The Roman seal was also placed over the tomb.

And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone (Matthew 27:66).

The seal was sign of authentication that the tomb was occupied and the power and authority of Rome stood behind the seal. Anyone found breaking the Roman seal would suffer the punishment of an unpleasant death.

3. The Guard

A guard watched Jesus' tomb. This was either the Roman guard or the Jewish temple police.

Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it as secure as you know how." And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone (Matthew 27:65,66).

There is a question as to which one of the two groups was watching over it. The context seems to favor the Roman guard. The Roman guard was a sixteen-man unit that was governed by very strict rules. Each member was responsible for six square feet of space. The guard members could not sit down or lean against anything while they were on duty. If a guard member fell asleep, he was beaten and burned with his own clothes. But he was not the only one executed, the entire sixteen-man guard unit was executed if only one of the members fell asleep while on duty.

You don’t believe the Bible but you believe Soldiers tell stories. Funny.

Please, read the final work of Tacitus and give me your thoughts, omniscient one.