₦airaland Forum

Pointnoire: Which school in the U.S From the little I know schools are funded from property Tax in most states,If the need arises sales tax are bumped up to meet deficit even at that schools are closing (due to lack of funds) and students merged with other existing schools in the District as seen in Volusia County Florida recently if you know of a school wen one Big man de bankroll let us know I beg.

Tell them. NL is now full with cretin propagandists!

obamaobama: make poor man the give birth to 20 children and expect fasola to take care of all of them.sheet

List your qualification as a demographer to show us how ypu arrived at the conclusion that " poor man" gave birth to 20 children. What's wrong with being born poor? Stupid and greedy folks like you are the reason what we have poverty in Naija. You and your greed masters have stolen from "poor folks" what belongs to them and now you are calling them poor. They are poor because your are plundering their wealth.
I tell you that the man who had 8 kids and never depended on any govt assistance is richer in character and integrity. He does not know any politician, does not know any councilor or LG official. He's more honorable than you and ur masters! He's poor by ur standard, but towers above you in morality and honesty.

Sunny_bobo: You lot should learn to read properly before commenting, the article clearly states tha Abambra won $1 million (160 million naira) from the Bill gates foundation and the state government pledged to match the amount won with 120 million naira bringing it to a total of 280million naira which it intends to use to build 10 maternities implying a cost of 28 million naira per maternity.

28million naira can build a good rural maternity by Sub Saharan African standard.

Then the headline is a bit misleading, cos maternities are not hospitals!
A governor who drives in a convoy of 10 (2013) bulletproof Toyota Landruiser SUVs with latest communication gadgets. Travels EU& US for medical check-up. Why is he not being driven on 404/504/ Moris Minor or Donkey since we are talking about African standard?

automaticcarzz: Schools are like that in every part of Nigeria. What stops parents from buying furniture for their kids to use in their classrooms. Government cannot do everything alone. In the U.S, rich individuals contribute money to fund schools. Rich individuals don't care in Nigeria.

Individuals don't build primary and secondary schools in the US. Stop misinforming folks! It's the responsibility of local and state govts!

What type of hospital can Obi build with N120 million not to talk of 10? Even community health centers cost more than that. Stupid journalism! Can these journalists verify things before going to print.

This deal smells like a shakedown from ANC controlled bureaucrats who want to have a slice of the pie. Remember Dangote is a majority shareholder of a cement maker in RSA. This is "shake bodi" deal! U see me u get ur way.

alj harem: Thelastpope and co are either dishonest or just acting silly. We have washed this issue time and time again about this silly okada craze you are support now

1. Why would a pensioner start riding okada knowing the danger it carries a long. Also why would a sane passenger allow a pensioner to carry him or her. That is the dumbest decision of death one can make.

2. You all talk of them not having alternative ? That is another non intellectual point. Choices are made by one if you make it available. There are still skills a 60 or 70 years old person can do without endangering the lives of themselves and others. Moreover here in lagos most pensioners either sit home and enjoy there pension, go to old people homes or start trade with the little capital they have. Go to sabo and see pensioners trade for leisure and earn cash .

3. You talk of crime increase ? Really so is okada riding an alternative to unemployed youths ? A man in his 20's riding okada shows the state of the mind of nigerian youths. Image an educated person like thelastpope, supereagle and co supporting such and yet think they have made a point shows how the future of nigeria would be.

4. An unemployed youth can pick up a skill and start something small and watch how opportunities come out. Okada cannot hold or be an alternative to the transport issues of a great nation like nigeria. That is a fact

I am using a phone and normally don't reply to such but I believe if some nairalanders are thinking like illiterates with no brain, we baby 123 and co need to put them a right.

Typos and co please bare in mind

What have u done? How many people have u employed? How many companies have u started? How many skills have u taught peeps? Talk is cheap as air, but getting it done will cost a lot of money.

And it looks like airbags did not deploy?

Godsblessing: ur still a learner dude

Since you are a master, name one thing Naija has achieved with religion?

Speculations and conjecture continue. Where are the facts and studies to support their " claim" that most kidnappers use Okada to perpetuate their crime. Most kidnap victims I know got kidnapped and driven away by cars. Do more folks die from Okada related accidents than from motor related accidents?

alj harem: Good. I have always said it that okada issue needs to be sorted out. okada is too dangerous and promotes intellectual laziness.

With your intellectual prowess, what you have achieved? How many Naijas are on your payroll because of ur intellectual prowess or sweat?

liberty300: afam, soludo and dora wont win cos they r from d same local government with peter obi. it would be between ifeanyi and chris....simple

No they are not!

Mynd_44: She wants compensation

From her maga/mugu

It seems she was hoping for a payday from Jim Iyke and it never happened.

Katsumoto: I am tired of explaining it to you. It appears that your ability to comprehend is severely limited. Unity schools were created so that ALL Nigerian students can be a part of it. If Noble Jnr wants to get in, then he has to do better than those he is competing with from his zone.

So unity school were created to reward academically challenged students and punish academically sound students?So unity schools were created to foster cultural and unity of Naija as opposed to educating the best and brightest minds from every nook and cranny of Naija?

Rhino.5dm:
Yeah, I know about the syndrome that can make some pitiable souls feel better. We are the most "industrious buĺlshít in Nigeria ", Achebe is the "father of modern literature " , Phillip Emeagwali is the "father of internet ", Chike Obi is the "father of mathematics ",and the shameless empty chest beating continues. Imagine that bigoted guy coming out to say Peter Obi is the most financially blah blah. . .just in time to rubbish this super achiever. It grieves me to remember someone like this is still a moderator.


Thesame Peter Obi that can't even build a mere 600 meters bridge? smh!

When did this post turn to Igbo bashing? Hold your governor accountable!

Religious zealot would always wallow in poverty and stupidity. Naija always attributes everything to unforeseen forces.

Since he has not borrowed in the last 2years, is Oyo state better than Lagos? Is Ibadan better than Ikeja/VI/Lekki? When are his NL propagandists relocating to Oyo?

Okoro2015: In the drive to bring all souls to God, How dare you call Mbaise clan insignificant? Hijacking every post on this subject won't help the matter. Justice will prevail at the end of the day. For your first paragraph, i urge you to read canon 382. I wonder what is holding the closure of Mbaise church if indeed they have disobeyed the Pope.

Ahiara is the smallest in Owerri archdiocese
Population: 381k
https://www.nairaland.com/1298799/imo-youths-lock-out-bishop-elect/7#15862863

Sunny_bobo: @ Desola, this was for last year (2012)

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/education/merit-quota-and-unity-schools/

Excerpt,

"The National Examinations Council (NECO) conducts the National Common Entrance Examination (NCEE) for admission into the 104 single sex and co-educational colleges. Each state is assigned cut-off points based on performance of its candidates in the examination.
The states with the largest number of good scores have higher cut-off points than others.
For instance, while Anambra was assigned a cut-off of 136, Imo, 135, Abia, 128, and Delta, 126; educationally-disadvantaged states like Kebbi had 35, Jigawa, 33, Taraba, 29, Sokoto, 27 and Yobe, zero".

Naija is devil's lab on earth!Someone who scores ZERO is taken over someone who scored 135? The person with 0 score graduates to become a lawyer/engineer/doctor and the country is continuously screwed!

pleep: I've taken plenty of risk, my uncle is into mining and i invested

What have you done?

, so your uncle is underwriting your risk. Have you run a business in Naija?

Katsumoto: Any corporation in the middle ages could have built small patches of infrastructure to support its enterprise when it didn't have to pay for labour (slaves) and land was free. Second, building railways is also cheap when you are looting. Who wouldn't build railways if your produce is free and you are using free labour? Why isn't the private sector in countries such as the US, UK, China, Russia, etc. building infrastructure today?

With the way, you are going about your argument, I wouldn't let you teach my nephew, let alone me. If you think private sectors should be building infrastructures, then articulate how and why a company in Nigeria could undertake major infrastructural development. So lay down all that is required and then explain how such a company will make its profits. Please be very specific; I want to learn.

Don't mind his kukere economics. A teacher who does not the meaning of examples. The worlds biggest public expenditure was on the US interstate highway system, why didn't private companies fund it? Largest expenditure on power in Africa is being funded by several African govts not private companies. Peeps who have never taken any risk to run a beer joint/strip club always shout the loudest about free market.

pleep: Concede graciously, are you kidding me look guys... i've given you enough examples, i'm not your fuckin teacher ok?
The way you people are behaving is going to make this discussion go left very fast.

What more could you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Indian_Railway_Company That was a british joint-stock company that built railroads all across India, privately financing everything.

At this point, take it or leave it.

The most absurd and incoherent arguement! Provide names in US and western EU, u provided an EU charterd company that served as a conduit for economic proceeds from colonialism.
So because of this company, India is now a developed nation?
Let me remind you, the THEME of your argument is that African businesses are not doing anything to industrialize Africa and its not the job of govt to build infrastructure in a capitalist economy.

[quote author=pleep]Like i said earlier, have you ever stopped to consider that maybe development creates a better government before the government returns the favor?
Toll bridges, toll roads, railroads, ferry boats etc.


Simple question? name companies and countries?

The word "public" is an attempt to strawman my arugment. I never said private companies should provide un-profitable social services, thats not the way the free market works. The goal is profit, and as a result of this quest for profit important social/business needs are addressed and the whole country benefits.

U cited one historic example

Until you explain to me why you think its reasonable to compare the post industrial west to pre-industrial Africa this point is mute.

keep churning out egg-head jargon

You guys are way to quick to scapegoat the government, but you fail to see the utter failure of the citizens, especially those of us abroad. Was it not the government that payed for your education k-12 and provides numerous public colleges for you to pursue higher education?

Another uninformed egg-head. Govt did not pay for my education and all my mates who went to school with me. A tad bit of education, it was after 1999 elections that some govt started paying for primary-secondary education. Awo did in first republic. Also, parents still have to buy books, uniforms and school supplies.


England did not even have that when they entered the industrial revolution in the 17 century.
Want us to go back to stone age?

How is the government supposed to build roads when the private sector cannot provide them low cost companies to complete the projects? In the U.S the gov can contract that work to hundreds of different firms all offering the lowest possible rates, while in Naija the gov pays some of the highest contruction costs in the world.

Speaking out of ignorance!There are a lot of companies ready to build roads, but the govt is not ready to do.

The failure of Africa rest squarely on the backs of its people, the quicker we realize that the better.

Ineptitude and corruption, Nigeria business people are resilient and far ahead of the govt in terms of efficiency and delivering services.

Does the Nigerian government not also train people in its school system?

University education is not adequately funded. US is on top because of University education


And no the builders of the railroads were not all trained with public funds... railroads are not actually that friggin hard to make. The answer to your question is above ^ Toll briges, railroads, airlines etc.

Mute point. You are talking about space exploration and i'm talking about entering the industrial age in 2013.... do you not see that the situation is different?

Talk is cheap. Come to Naija and start a business and become innovator of ideas.

The American private sector has given its Government a 14 trillion dollar GDP to draw taxes from... What have the Nigerian people given their government?


Another uninformed post.Nigerians contribute about 80% to her national GDP.

A Saudi prince is suing that Forbes underestimated his net worth while this evil is crying because his balls were touched. His beliefs are sending him to prison!

How is it a subjective theory when it has been proven in almost every western Europe country?
When it was not an entirely private initiative, but a collaboration with govt. Why it has not been replicated in modern times.
Name them and public projects done by private companies for public use .



Please do not strawman my argument, im not here advocating for Laisezz-Fair economics, i'm asking why capitalism is not working in Africa.

mixed capitalism works in Nigeria, but the govt has failed to provide basic infrastructure for businesses to thrive unlike in the west where govt lobbies and offers tax-break to business come to their jurisdiction. The most capitalist person is a Nigeria entrepreneur who owns a metal fabrication shop-- that welder, he started his business without any loan from govt, SBA, banks, credit card etc. He provides his security, pays bribe to govt officials to get permits,provides his own water, provides his own power,provides his space, provides his own road to his workshop. Now, what's the role of govt in this entrepreneur's life? The problem with folks like u is that the govt has not done anything and you are saying that everyone wants a handout from the govt.

Again, why do you think it is appropriate to compare the interplay between the public/private sectors in modern, post industrial Europe with pre-industrial Africa? The reason i am using old examples is because [b]those are the only precidents for capitalism in a pre-industrial society


So you are saying that Africa should adopt a singular medieval economic program that has been abandoned. Builders of the railways were mostly engineers from US Army Corps trained with public funds. Show me in modern times where private companies built projects for public use ( i have asked this question up to 6 times without an answer.)

Every economy is a mixed economy to some degree, the united states increased its involvement in the economy mainly to stabilize the business cycle after the great depression in 29'. At that point the American economy had already developed in a largely unregulated enviornment.

This is counterproductive to your argument that private sectors build infrastructure. It's govt job to invest in heavy RD and public infrastructure. Imagine if govt hadn't invested in space technology, private companies could not have afforded it, but private companies like Garmin and Google are greatest beneficiaries.

pleep: Do you realize that Nigeria has not entered the industrial age by 2013?

While America entered it in 1865, England in 1750. Does that not sound a little bit ridiculous to you? If we want to analyse the interplay between the public and private sectors of pre-industrial Nigeria we have to compare it to the events in the pre-industrial west... not on the service based economies of modern Europe.

At this point in Africa development = industrilization, any other objective is wasting time. No nation has ever become a HDC without this step

You are still running on historic and subjective theories. Name "free market" countries where private companies build public infrastructure? if you know someone WHO runs a business profitably, it's a big NO cos ROI is not guaranteed. If you have run a company, you are looking for the shortest way to make most the profit. If your only cited example worked, why is it that private companies have not towed that line?
Why do govts (public), federal, states, counties, and cities go to bond markets(private) to raise money for public works instead of having private companies fully fund those projects?
Also name one country where 100% free economy is practiced? Tell me why US runs a railway network (public) for Amtrak and uses tax payer's money (public) to subsidize( against free market economy) ridership?

pleep: How am i mixing public with private? The interstate system was made in the 1950's, i'm talking about the 1800's. Do you guys realize that there was a time when the U.S and the UK did not have 24/hour electricity or good roads, yet they were still able to industrilize?

When they were no roads they built railroads, no electricity they used steam power. The free market has proven time and time again that it can bring economic growth without the help of government. (i have my own theories to why it doesn't work in Africa, but they were shouted down in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1001242/nigeria-must-leave-global-economy)

...So if we think Africa can survive in the globalism system, the responsibility for our failures fall squarely on the shoulders of the people

Consider the fact that maybe development begets a good government, and not the other way around.

Private=Profit first with restricted use. Public= everybody can use. In the US, railways are owned by private companies with exception of Amtrak which is heavily subsidized by US, which negates free market economy principles.
U can't be running your arguement with this one historical event of 1800s when Nigeria hadn't been conceived. Find better facts of 1960s to 2000s where private companies built railways, road, seaports, airports for public use.
This Internet u are using came as a result of Govt research and funding even though greatest beneficiaries today are companies.

pleep: In the 1800's, before the united states government invested heavily into infrastructure, the sector was taken care of by private companies via the railroad system, toll roads and toll bridges.

Why cant Nigeria do the same? In Africa the private sector has not even provided the government any good companies to contract with, forcing them to rely on over-priced foriegn firms.

The federal government is just a skape-goat, the real problem with Africa is the people (private sector) especially those of us abroad.

You are talking textbook economics.
Private companies cannot embark on building public infrastructure. I think you are mixing up public with private. US govt built the 2nd largest road network in the world -The Dwight D. Eisenhower Inter-State Highway System--and it's said the most expensive public works expenditure . What's the work of govt?

Why isnt he being tried in Kenya? Why deportation? Cos his ex-wife, who's sleeping with an MP can keep their property that has been the subject of their bitter divorce case. Ex-wife gets to keep the house since her ex-hubby is back to Naija.

pleep: Then why isn't the private sector building railroads?!

Private sector does not build roads even in China. US is the free economy capital of the world and the govt is solely responsible for public infrastructure. Govt is not a PLC, but private sector is!

pleep: ^ um sir... i've done plenty of research. I'm an accounting/economics major

If you have something to contribute, do so.... but if you want a E-beef we can do that also. mmk?

Well, you have not done enough research! Govt provides infrastructure for businesses to thrive. In Naija, no power, bad roads, no broadband Internet, insecurity, lack of access to capital, inadequate transport network, poorly educated workforce. So what is it that the government has done? RSA generates 40k MW of electricity for about 40 million people, that is about 1000W per capita while Naija with 160 million generates about 4000 MW, that is 25W per capita. 25W cannot ligt a bulb. It takes 8 hrs to drive from Asaba to Lagos with a distance of about 460km, that is average of 57km/hr whereas posted speed limit on federal highway is 100km. So it would less than 5hrs with good roads from Asaba to Lagos. Naija problem is infrastructure!