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It seems that  you are fixated on this issue of "relationship"   How can you be in relationship with someone you met for a day? I 'm not looking for someone who has    a lot of baggages.  

_{okay what do you expect us to say, don't give her the money. oh boy you knew what you got yourself into and you have issues on your own, you didn't think she was a money grabbing LovePeddler the first time you met her} . I only met her oneconce_{and just because she asked you for money you become all wakko, no one said you should become a bill payer}
I tell you that most guys will run away from from people like you who think that every guys owes them some money.

_{if you don't want to be in the relationship and take responsibilities}   NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP OK . _{then dump her and stop complaining about shit},  You cannot dump what you dont own ok.

_{i wonder how much she asked you for sef. if you are broke just say you are and stop complaining, if you no wan give am the money say NO},  guys who are gullible can only fall for your trick-  imagination of bottom power.
_{no body go chop your head off. i will never have sex with a guy on the first date,}  You dont sound like someone who has not done it, because you see nothing in asking a guy who just talks 2 U for money. Even though  she complains that men come and go in her life. Good luck
_{and i assumed you did because you are complaining about nothing.}  Just pencil her down as Ashawo

_{i think you are just mad because you don't want to start spending money on goods you haven't sampled yet.} U are mad becuase Im a dragon prey who cannot be devoured easily.

U still believe  that u  got some precious stones down below which should be paid for by anyone who looks at U. _{i pity the women wey say they wan waste their time on you.}. Guys know how to deal with your situation, So easyyyyyyy.

@Radiant

So what are u calling her now? A LovePeddler or a money Vampire?

Some girls think that they can have it both ways.   she  wants a  bill payer and a lover too.  that's why guys come and go

@ Radiant.
<sub>Wait o, but if you were to sleep with her within a week, you wouldn't complain huh?

O boy give am that money abeg .</sub>  I will know  she is a LovePeddler and treat her as such. That's why someone would be considered a sex object.

_{ok don't try to twist this around, i didn't mean men should always pay for sex, you say you've known her for a week, so u went through the period of seeing this fine chick, toasting her and a week into the relationship she asks for your help and u feel, hey i've only known you for a week so i can't give you anything.
i just don't see why you are complaining about it, or why you wouldn't want to help her, except if you are really stingy, which to me it seems you are if you are complaining about it. ok answer this, would it make a difference if she asked you one or lets say 3 months into the relationship. my point is you entered into this relationship with your eyes open so deal with whatever comes with it.}  
You are making up alot of things in your head. So you are in a relationship with someone  you have just known for a week? Because you assumed that I had slept with someone I just met for one day. I see why you  are for money for sex, easy come , easy go. You got something to sell, and your buyer is anyone who talks to you. Good luck

My dear it will make much difference,  I am stingy when someone is telling me that she distrusts men (me inclusive) and at the same time asking you for money.    I cannot become a bill payer on  a first date. OK. She will be OK if she did not meet me.

_{do  women get into a relationship for financial up liftment only?
to answer your question. WHY DO MEN GET INTO RELATIONSHIPS JUST FOR THE SEX.}   Becuase people like you demand for money   first. Why not sex for money?  I see naija mentality here. WOULD YOU HAVE SEX WITH A GUY ON A FIRST DATE?

Chris Uba is from Uga, Aguata LG Anambra.
He went to Colliery College, Ngwo, later dropped out.  He was running errands for Arthur Eze, former CEO of TRIAX Airlines and Orient Bank  in Enugu. Military administrator of Anambra, Mike Attah awarded a contract to Arthur Ezeh who later abandoned the project and Chris Uba took over and continued to draw money from Anambra State's treasury until Ngige refused.

He has some phony construction companies, like OCC -Oil construction company etc. He is so greedy that he forced his LG Chairman, Goddy Oselle out of office because he refused to share money with him. He was given a contract by  the LG chairman, but he declined because he would  not make much money from contracts.

Some years ago, he was building an office complex in Enugu  for himself and it collapsed and killed a lot of people who had gone into the building to take shelter because of rainfall. His own construction company did  not build the house, he hired professionals.
He has one of the most expensive homes in Nigeria ( GRA Enugu). His brother Andy Uba is a Physiotherapist who helped to rehabilitate OBJ after  his imprisonment. Andy is married to Stella's cousin. Their brother Ugochukwu, is a senator who did not contest an election but won. He built houses for Judges who presided over his case.  Andy Ubah is OBJ’s  Fasawe. He recently pleaded guilty to money laundering in the US.

@ Roscodaddy,
_{Guy,she is your babe right,help her if she is in need,you don't have to tell us here,well it depends on how much she is asking for,if it is something you can afford,you would have done it quietly but since you nor fit do am na im make you dey shout,omo you know how it is in Nigeria ,you have to pay oh.}

It seems you cannot make a  simple distinction between  a babe who's urs and someone u ve just known for one week. I not a woman wrapper and I don't  fall for women like that. I can hold myself OK.


@ima1

_{i just think if he has gone there then he shouldn't refuse what she asks of him.}
Your point is that   men should always pay for sex period, even though both parties enjoy sexual pleasure. I can only succumb to your argument if  women  are only doing guys some favor by indulging in a sexual relationship with them. Or by the way, do  women get into a relationship for financial up liftment only?

ima1

_{oh boy wetin you get legs for  but on the other hand if u don sleep with am they she deserves the money, she no be free comodity}

It seems to me that u sleep with guys and demand for money later. I dont pay for sex ok. Sometimes poeple like you dont get it ,  you are beclouded to think that men would like you because of your legs.   As for me, once there is no mutuality,  there is no friendship. I  cant be paying money for your open and close  and still pretend to like u. By the way, I have not had anything with this lady.

I think she got some problems, so  do I. How about you?  You got some problems? She told me that her ex used to help her out financially.  She still distrusts men, but does not think that asking for money too early will change any guy's  good intentions.
I know its a red flag right there and  the mutuality of this friendship is compromised.

please benin -ore road needs to be on camera. I hear it's really in ruins

One week of knowing her , she's already asking for money. What do you do?

http://www.saharareporters.com/dn001.php?dnid=181

Evidence that EFCC is working for Obasanjo

Peter Obi's response

http://www.nanka.org/ObiResponse.html

The reason why Borishade should be investigated is because his aviation ministry was allocated with billions of naira and yet he has nothing to show for it. I wonder if this  would constitute a prima facie  for EFFC to swing into action. But we are no fools, OBJ is calling the shots on whom to be investigated.

odeku

Who  do you work for OBJ?  So because of your  tribal sentiments Borishade should be encouraged for overseeing a ministry has killed hundreds of Nigerian because of his ineptitude. Why cant  EFCC investigate him for  non-performance.  Universities went on strike for months under his tenure.  I wonder if you have lost a family member in a neglected situation like that.

dennylove
my add is on my profile  ok.  Besides, you did not request for  help. Did you?


Good intention.
A friend of mine  did his LLM  @ Notre Dame. He has gone back to Naija to work.  Contact me for futher details. adconlinedotcom@yahoo.com

Good intention.
A friend of mine  did his LLM  @ Notre Dame. He has gone back to Naija.  Contact me for futher details.

Odeku,
you seem not realise that Obasanjo was part of military. he also stole from nigeria. you cannot fix a house you destroyed. let the blame be inclusive. ok. By the way omofineboy was right.

are we not tired of this bullshit? Is it not time for O basanjo to go

@mammaput

_{So if the first man dose not work out , i sit at home for the rest of my life}

So you have the mindset that  first man will not work out  and if eventually  it doesnt work out, a guy of the sideline becomee a new guy  while U  shop around for his deputy. This  goes in a vicious circle.

I know of sentiments, but he who goes to equity must go with clean hands. These guys were selected and installed by Ubas. Chris Ngige did not win the election and he chose to play balls with assembly members. I personally know some  of these guys. One representing my constituency   had no job and became a millionaire over night, built houses in Awka and his hometown. Mr Humphrey Nsofor, a member of the assembly is already touting Andy Uba as a worth replacement. We all know Ubas, they want everything in Anambra state regardless of whose life is lost. They destroyed everything to kick Ngige out  because he did not agree to let them loot the treasury.
  OBJ cannot stop to amaze. He made a very un-presidential remark of the century by telling Peter Obi that he had a worth replace in the person of Andy Uba when he was on state visit. Can you imagine Mr. Thabo Mbeki telling a regional governor that he would not be re-elected even if he got the support of his electorates? This tells you how free 2007 election will be.  OBJ spat on Peter Obi, his host, Senator Ben Obi (not relatives), PDP founder Dr. Alex Ekwueme, Dr Pius Ezife and many Anambra dignitaries who had graced the occasion. Most of all, he spat on the whole people of Anambra State. OBJ is hell bent of self-destructing Anambra State. His biggest arch enemies are from Anambra, His govt said that Zik did not pay tax. He said that he wanted to capture Ojukwu alive and still regrets that up till today. He doesn’t hide his disaffection for Alex Ekwueme, who designed and built PDP wagon OBJ stole at gunpoint in Jos Convention. He hated Okadigbo and saw to his extermination. Assembly members jumped on that impetuous statement and moved a motion for Obi’s impeachment. Politicians do not learn lessons, Oyo lawbreakers were used and dumped and now they are regretting their actions. It could be replicated in Anambra.

Odeku,
Dont forget that these house of assembly members did not win their elections. They were hand picked by Chris Uba. They are his stooges. Why cant they forward their allegations to EFCC? These guys have ulterior motives

Iyke-D

^{Bono performs in the US all time, my point to you is inspite of all the bad mouthing and trash
talk about Obasanjo and how unsafe he has made the country, I needed to point out to you
that its is unprecedented to have a collection of so many International artists gathered under
one roof in Nigeria, believe it or not, but it was a vote of confidence of some sort that Nigeria
after all is not that bad - I am sure you will disagree.  Now to blame all the criminality and thuggish nature of Nigerian politics on Obasanjo alone is just a mighty stretch of the imagination, but if
it feels good, go for it.}

I believe in DSTV's slogan" expand your horizon" A comparison on security is based on two existing conditions. May be moving from a region of insecurity to security or vice versa. State Dept lists Nigeria as a country with serious security concerns. American investors will not invest in Nigeria because Jayz and co visited Nigeria. Jayz cannot change the perception of Corporate America with regard to Nigerian insecurity and infrastructure.

The difference is that Jayz was paid to perform in Nigeria, while an investor is not going to be paid, he is a risk taker, so does not want to compound his risks with insecurity. Even the hip pop community will not jump on the bandwagon to visit Nigeria. Someone is going to pick up the tab. Jayz cannot even persuade Def Jam to   open an office in Nigeria if there is no market.

@omofineboy.
Thanks for your appreciation. Kudos   for making this forum two sided.

Please Afam, market is not about size in African context. South African has about 19 companies in Forbes list of 2000 largest companies in the world with less population than Nigeria. They have more middle class than Nigeria. You even failed to mention that MTN’s success is based on their business acumen because Econet, which adopted Nigerian management style, failed.  Why would you think that we have the biggest market in Telecom in Africa? Their biggest player is Vodacom not MTN.  We really need to do some research before we speak. Orascom Telecom of Egypt  is listed in Forbes magazine.

Here is link for your perusal. http://www.clickafrique.com/Magazine/ST014/CP0000000175.aspx   .
We sit dowm and think we are the best. Do you know that a Sudanese engineer, Dr Mo Ibrahim, founded CELTEL, which bought over Vmobile, yet we think we got it all.

Afam,

I thought that I should not address your point,  but later changed my mind. You mentioned the growth in telecommunication sector.

There is still much investment needed in Agricultural sector, we still don’t have    a standardized food supply system.  How many major food suppliers in Nigeria? Can I easily order diary products in Nigeria? Meat is sold on the streets as clothes and shoes, no packaging industries. We don’t have a standardized storage system.

Entertainment and IT. Do we have    a TV network that covers the whole of Nigeria other than NTA. Do we have a radio network? Even all the three GSM companies have not fully covered Nigeria. Do we have a broadband Internet service provider that covers the whole of Nigeria?

Do we have banks that can easily provide a $100 million credit facility without any shaking? Remember how many banks that did not meet up with N25 Billion benchmark?  How many mutual investment companies?

Do we have private power generating companies?  How many of these companies are located in most cities in Nigeria, with exception of telecom companies?    The difference between having a domain name and rented office space. In South Africa, they have shear size of their IT market and their presence is felt, this is with Microsoft. Daimlyer Chrysler sold more cars in South Africa than the whole Middle East combined. That's why they have a site strictly structured for SA consumers.  S Africans drives more BMW cars than any other country in the world with exception of Germany. That's why they have a nationalized site.

Please let us debate these on case-by-case basis rather than wallow in ignorance that has kept us stagnant in the last 46yrs.

Health Sector- needs massive cash inflow from FDI. Aviation sector needs a lot of investment. The list is endless

Afam
It seems to me that you are bereft of ideas on foreign direct Investment. Do you know the difference between Microsoft in Nigerian and Microsoft in South Africa with a domain name - microsoft.co.za, nokia.co.za, bmw.co.za, daimlerchrysler.co.za etc, We are in desperate need of foreign investments. It has kept China going, because it has maintained a double-digit growth rate, which surpasses that of the US, EU and Japan combined. Lesotho, and Botswana are major suppliers of clothing wares to some of the companies in the USA from Africa. Botswana is the least corrupt country in Africa. Maintained the highest growth rate in the continent last year. They have a visionary leadership by Festus Mogae, an Oxford trained economist. GNI per capita: US $5,180. with no oil.
Ministers are not allowed to travel with over $1000 BTA

Standard Bank Group in S/Africa has a workforce of 39,080.  Some of these companies come to Nigeria and rent some apartments hoping for a lucrative government contract. They don’t have real presence in Nigeria.  Remember Sagem and National ID fraud likewise Halliburton

Gnature

<sup>There are several obstacles keeping foreign investors from coming to Nigeria that are beyond the hands of the President

1. Our Very Young Democracy. We really need to prove to the world that we are ready to embrace democracy for the long haul. Our young democracy, with disputes between the executive and legislative arms of government, needs to be fully sustained if we really want to see the much needed foreign investors come in.</sup>

You really think foreign investment could come to Naija without these fundamental changes;
Power supply.  Most companies in Naija are producing at under capacity simply because of epileptic power failure. Cadbury loses up to N100 Million for every hour there is a power failure. MTN and Vmobile are running their exchanges, transmitters, and towers on Generators.
Security. Go and tell it to the White House and Dowling street, Naija is not secure, not because of Niger Delta per say, but the whole nation is immersed in insecurity.
Good legal system where people can seek redress without fear or favour.
Corruption in private and public sector. Nigerians have to start investing in Nigeria rather than starching their money abroad.



<sup>2. Religious vilolence. Once the muslims in the North hear something said about Islam, they start killing people all over the place. When Nigeria was going to host the Miss World beauty peagent, the northern muslims threatened them and they had to be flown from Abuja to London where it finally took place. No foreign investor would want to come and establish their business with all this religious tension going on.

3.Volatility of the Niger Delta. I think this is self-explanatory

4. Advanced Fee Fraud (419). This has really tarnished our name and is definately keeping foreign investors at bay.</sup>

There are more Internet scams from the west, lottery, visa, viagra, and explicit messages.  Remember, spam and Internet scams are not original to any Nigerian dialects. Spam and Internet scams software is a money-spinning venture too. Nigerians don’t benefit from these. Do they?
  People don’t invest in Nigeria because of  corruption. Remember Atiku and Rep Jefferson of Louisiana. If they are really interested investing in Nigeria, they have Nigerian embassies all over the world

Let it be known that the intent to commit a crime is a crime itself. OBJ did buy shares in Transcorp in  contravention of existing status like Code of Conduct Bureau Act. If the Press had not brought these issues, we would still be thinking that everybody is clean.

Why do we always think that Western govts are  more corrupt than ours. Can Bush invest in Microsoft while still in office? These people build their reputation while in office and join coporate world after serving their terms , like Colin Powell and Schroeder  did.

Its against the law for Obasanjo to invest in Transcorp. Have you wondered why  there are no mega coporations in Nigerians that are truly owned by hard working Nigerians. You  cannot build a company by favouritism. There are ethical standards we must uphold.

Its still delusional to  think that OBJ  is a saint. Tarfa Balogu stole bilions. How did it happen? Late  INEC director, Akanni stole billions. If these people were able to steal in billions, how much money do you think OBJ and cohorts would be stealing.
In case if   you did  not know, OBJ was broke when he came out of prison in 1998, It  was Chief Joseph Sanusi  , CEO of First Bank, who approved $1 million dollars credit facility  for OBJ farms . He would later become a Central Bank Governor.

Please its wrong to always compare Naija with western countrie, because it always smacks of folly and ignorance. If we can make our country better by 50% of western standard, our country will be a paradise on earth.

Iyke-D

Compare OBJ with other civilian governments?

_{[color=#000099]I am sure your community received a new project each time all the previous presidents or heads of
states were in power, hmmm, are you really sure of that? Yes, Bola Ige died during OBJ's watch, I am
sure he is the only high profile government official or citizen to have died since Independence, its all
OBJ's fault,  . . .[/color]}

First tarred road was built in my community during Shagaris’ regime, Secondary schools were also built. OBJ  has done nothing. He is the only Attorney General of Nigeria who died   while in government. May be that should be my fault for not arresting and prosecuting his murderers. When did it become a norm for high profile individuals to be killed ? Or are you saying that one person  is not enough?  Remember all these names' Ogbonna Uche, Marshall Harry, Chuba Okadigbo,  and Alfred Aminasaori Kala Dikibo and co

Much earlier, I could not stand Obasanjo. Having grown up on Fela's music, I could not understand
for the life of me why anyone in their right mind wanted to resurrect Obasanjo into government. True
enough I was right, because he was globe-trotting as soon as he got elected. It got so bad that even
the people he was visiting (US State Dept. for example) were getting tired of running to the airport to
meet OBJ each time they turned around. 

Because he could not put his house in order. His wife died in Spain of medical complications from plastic sugery. Yet no standard hospital has been built in the last seven years even for the rich. Army generals who survived the plane crash had to be flown to South Africa. Why can’t we blame this government? We did not force him to become President. OK

But you know what? That was much earlier, I condemned him when he made thick headed judgments
but at the same time, I must also commend him even for the slightest of achievement.  Odi was another
case in point where bad judgement was exhibited.  Today, I hardly see any one commending OBJ for
exercising the level of restraint the army and navy have shown so far given all the attacks on military
personnel in the Niger Delta.

Why would we commend him for not killing a town? Is that supposed to his job? Let the law be applied to criminals. Most importantly, we have to address the needs of Oil producing areas  which are the bedrock of our existence. Mind you collective punishment is against International Law and  Geneva Convention.

By far, Obasanjo has to be the most scrutinized head of state in Nigeria's history and inspite of what's
been published , fiction and non-fiction, the press is still largely left alone to do their job. Lest, I forgot,
last weekend Lagos got the privilege of hosting the "who is who" in the Hip Hop world, when was the
last time prior to OBJ that A-List artistes from the US congregated for anything in Nigeria. To some of you
guys all that is meaningless, and I can understand, but believe it or not, something is shifting, the country
is changing and its all happening under OBJ.

This is a sheepish argument,  how has this event benefited  Nigerians? What's the connection between this event and OBJ. Would Bush be glorified if U2 Bono performed in America? I hope OBJ does not list this as one of his achievements. So, Jayz is now ranked globally above OBJ? What's your arguement? Who is scrutinizing OBJ? EFCC or ICPC, NASS, Judiciary? Even former Chief Justice of the Federation, Dr. Uwais,  said that he would have ordered  for his arrest  for disrespecting the law.

Will they probe Mosques as well?

Dblock

I think your argument is the most myopic reasoning  I have ever seen on Nairaland. So, we need CIA to actually determine the rate of unemployment in Nigeria? Believe CIA more than Nigerians.

By the way did you take in consideration that OBJ's government has generated over $140 Billion, yet has little or nothing to show for it.
TI in ranks us as one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
Nigeria is ranked 158th out  of 177 countries  in the 2005 Human Development   Index by UNDP
We are less safe than we were before OBJ came in. Bola Ige died on under OBJ's watch.
Its pure insanity to compare this government with  Abacha’s or IBB's. Reason. OBJ said that they were aberrations. They were not elected. Compare this government with Shagari's, Azikiwe's, and  Awo's then we should be ashamed.
Let this regime tell us what they have done with the money.  They have not built new roads, universities, hospitals, airports, railways, parks, cities, and houses. They are sinking money into existing ones without taking into consideration that our population has grown.
It seems to me that  some Nigerians have eyes  but cannot see.

Please forumites, let us conduct an opinion poll. Any new project built in your community by this government in the last 7 years. My answer: NO

Tell me about your experience.