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LIES. Einstein's only religion was science. LIES LIES AND MORE LIES

Lol. Religion never fails to amuse me

^Lol

Acidosis: ...always remember, all unbelievers are enemies of God & God is not a respecter of anyone!

#shalom!

Such idiocy...

What is God? What is the will of God? How do you know the will of God? Can you prove all of the above to everybody?

How does he do this, pray tell

J12: Yes. Prove me wrong

Well I don't have the records of all society at all times but I'll make the best of the information available to me.

First of all murder is : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

So we need to differentiate killing and murder. I could say murder is unlawful killing and everyone knows laws are subjective. Killing in and of itself isn't immoral.

Lord Reed: So what was human sacrifice? Or burying slaves with kings?

Thank you for your input but these killings fall withing the laws so it isn't murder per se.

Killing people is not per se immoral. It is deemed immoral in certain circumstances, in which it is called "murder". when it is not considered to be immoral, It's called something different, such as "justified homicide".

So murder is immoral because it is a term used specifically to describe immoral acts. I.e. It's simply semantics.

In regards to war, killing people is never wrong... soldiers have no problem signing up to kill people, and neither does the country that contracts them, yet the moment that that same soldier comes home and shoots someone because s/he cut him off on the freeway, the killing is then wrong.

You can also argue that murder is neither right or wrong-it just is. Whether or not it is immoral is a contention amongst human beings. You'd never see two tigers sitting up in a jungle contemplating whether or not they should eat a zebra because it's "wrong" to kill.


The summary of my post is that if you want to view murder strictly as semantics then it is always wrong because murder which is the name of immoral killings, changes with the dictates of the subjective law. What's murder today might not be murder tomorrow.

However if you look at it as killing someone then even now killing people can be moral

J12: All humans cannot possess the same moral values.

Its impossible since most human values are relative. However, some moral values have stood for ages and they're likely to remain that way till infinity. These are absolute moral values that cut across all human societies and cultures.

In other words, Some moral values are subjective, some aren't.

OK. examples of an absolute moral vice is murder according to you. But do you think all societies in all times viewed murder as something wrong?

Image123: it's actually a song my dear. Observe the moral of the song.

OK. Cool song story... Better than Billie Jean

J12: It is a reality(fact) that humans are moral beings, all humans regardless of their religious/spiritual affiliation possess something called conscience. It is also a reality that certain human behaviours are generally seen as right and wrong by fellow humans regardless the feelings or thoughts of the person responsible for the act.
Robbery and theft are universally wrong no matter how you personally feel about it. You can't rapé a two year old girl because you feel its right and hope its right. Its damn wrong in all societies. That's a reality


You can't tell me that there's no such thing as right or wrong. If it were so, we would cease to exist or we'll be living in a state of anarchy.

I agree with almost all of the above. If you say Morality is an objective reality in the sense that all humans must be moral then I can't argue with you
If however you say that Morality is an objective reality in the sense that all humans must possess the same moral values then that's just wrong.

Humans have been conditioned to accept certain acts as wrong over many years. If we were conditioned to accept the opposite as wrong then that's how it would be. But even then there are still some minority who we classify as evil that weren't conditioned or the conditioning didn't work on.

I know there's right and wrong but I'm saying right and wrong is subjective

Image123: The moral man came to the
judgment,
but self righteous rags would not
do;
the men who had crucified Jesus
had passed off as moral men, too;
the soul that had put off salvation,
“Not tonight; I’ll get saved by and
by,
no time now to think of religion!”
at last they had found time to die.
Refrain
And O, what a weeping and
wailing,
as the lost were told of their
fate;
they cried for the rocks and the
mountains,
they prayed, but their prayer
was too late

Cool story

J12: Morality(right and wrong) is an objective reality, and it will always be. True or false?

Objective: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

Reality: the quality or state of being real

The views on right and wrong differ between individuals. I'm sure some of the things that are right to me are wrong to you for example I see nothing wrong in homosexual people's orientation but I'm sure homosexuality would be wrong to you.
So how can morality be an objective reality? To answer your question "NO" and it will never be

J12: What do you call facts?

Truth is that which agrees with reality.

Fact: 5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality. [Merriam-Webster]

In that case truth is also subjective because reality as we know it itself is subjective. In other words reality to me is different from reality to you.

But facts are however objective. They are the parts of our realities that all agree

plaetton: That is why I have the conviction that religion is a fraud in every way you look at it.

Look it at this way: It is a system that encourages fraudulent people to exploit weaker minded people by selling to them(for money) a fraudulent history, fraudulent doctrines, fraudulent and contradictory moral philosophies, greed and personal irresponsiblity, and ofcourse, bigotry and hate.

The buyers and consumers of such fraudulent packages, themselves, become enticed and corrupted, substituting their own traditional or homebred sense of responsibility with their new shiny , but worthless product.
They then begin to live in , and act out the moral contradictions and delusions of their purchased (more like swindled) faith.

Religion, especially the Abrahamic religions, are among the very few philosophical systems that not only act as the perfect camouflage for morally deficient people people,but actually, corrupts and degrades the ethical and moral standards of an individual, simply because the religious scriptures can be easily invoked and interpreted to justify any sort of evil,immoral or unethical behaviour.

Nice

J12: On paper, morality is subjective. Realistically, it isn't. Most things that matter in life aren't based on facts. Rather, they're based on truths

If it isn't based on facts then it isn't objective. On another note, what is truth?

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Lol. its been long since I saw these old accounting terms such as Trading profit and loss account, balance sheet e.t.c

BetaThings: We are not playing God
We say we don't want you guys in our midst. Is it too much to ask you to go peddle your sick bahaviour elsewhere?

This sounds very much like God like play to me. What do you mean your midst? Where else do you want them to go and peddle their sick behavior? Mars? Does the earth belong to you? You are one Stuuuuupid mofo.you know that?

But why are you not up in arms against government regulating my personal choice to have se.x with my 21 yr old daughter?
or the corpse of my late girlfriend since she consented in writing to my doing it after her death?

I'm not aware of any laws against having sèx with your children who are of legal age as long as they consent to it. Once again Necrophilia is illegal because the dead person cannot consent to the sèx. Nobody wants their dead body getting ràped. If your girlfriend is weird like that and she signs a contract that allows you to do that then peddle your sick behaviors as much as you want

Do you believe in God?
Anyway we might leave armed robbers to God too

Once again laws are to prevent conflict between people. Armed robbery would cause such conflict. Stuuuupid Stuuuuuuupid Stuuuuuuuuuupid

When Cameron said that Britain will stop giving assistance to countries that does not permit fa.,ots to marry?
Seconded by Hilary Clinton
Are they not forcing us? Malawi has been forced to stop its planned execution of fa.,ots

I wish they would just take all the fa.,ots in this country and put them in the Everglades. there are enough hungry pythons there to resolve the matter once and for all

No they are not forcing us. Is it compulsory for them to give us aids? Is aids our rights? They just don't want to associate with countries whose leaders think as daftly as you.

If wishes were horses. Beggars would ride

J12: There are absolute moral laws that all human societies abide by. Example- Murder and Ràpe are crimes in all societies.

I doubt that has really been the case throughout history but even if it has, that's still subjective.

The relevant definition of objective from my dictionary is 3 a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations *objective art* *an objective history of the war* *an objective judgment*

Morality by its nature must be subjective because it doesn't deal with facts but personal feelings and in cases where there is a universal feeling about a subject matter e.g ràpe or murder, its still a feeling hence subjective

J12: Morality is objective

Usually I'll beg to differ but this time I'll just go ahead and differ like a boss.

Morality can never be objective

Lol concerning Zubike01's post.

"Maybe I would have slowed down if I knew what I know now" - Kanye West.

I like to suggest to everyone to slow down as regards their process of belief.

^ I'm not saying its a natural tendency. I'm saying that People shouldn't force their opinion on others. The lions there are actually doing it in case it isn't evident enough to anyone

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

1. No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sèx at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.[23]

An example of overlooking homosexual behavior is noted by Bruce Bagemihl describing mating giraffes where nine out of ten pairings occur between males.

Every male that sniffed a female was reported as sèx, while anâl intercoursè with orgâsm between males was only "revolving around" dominance, competition or greetings.[25]

2. Approximately 8% of rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams).

Finally as regards homosexuality and laws. Laws are supposed to be designed to avoid conflict between people [Nigeria hasn't even done this successfully] And laws are being made for irrelevant issues that wouldn't harm anyone

Anvaller: Bottom-line: it is yet to be scientifically proven that homosexuality in man is genetic and since the 90's when some scientist started working hard to establish a genetic justification for homosexual orientation in man, their findings have since been inconclusive to date, therefore all claims still remains controversial and untenable,

I never claimed homosexuality was something genetic. From my own point, leave men to their own devices. If you claim that God created no one to be homosexual then fine, I wouldn't argue with you. If God is upset then He would do something about it. Afterall didn't the bible record God doing something about Sodom and Gomorrah? Whether homosexuality is a habit or not is irrelevant to the fact that people are trying to play God with other people's choices. During the slave trade era these same people took the same bible's words to justify playing God with other people's lives and forcefully taking slaves because God supported it [God really supported it according to the bible]

so I am from the standpoint that it is a habit and not an in born thing, and this is where I disagree totally with any form of pro gay issue because that is what they are committed to making everyone around the world to believe..(that they were born that way)so we must accept it, if I reject, its discrimination. this is absolute misinformation so why should we allow them to misinform us? And the question is why do they prefer to campaign from that angle? Why would they put pressure on Africa to believe what they believe of homosexuality?

I don't think there would be any campaigns if governments were not making laws against people's personal choices.
anti-homos would argue that if the trend is allowed then the human species would be wiped out but the animals that pratise same sex are doing fine enough.

The reason behind growing interest in researching homosexuality in animal is to justify same in man, there had been many proponent argument using the scenario in animal behavior to justify that of man and this is what sparked my reaction this is a trend that I had been following since. well.. I can't keep writing and writing.

Once again there wouldn't be a need to justify it if laws were not being made against people's personal choices. It should be left to God to come and do His Sodom and Gomorrah stunt once again if He can. And that would end the whole argument once and for all

and to the comment below, this is literally what is basically happening... u just need to understand the concomitant circumstances to actually understand. Its like when some ppl accuse the U.S of being terrorist, u would need to look beyond the periphery to agree with such accusation if u would. U seem unaware of how very high is the population of GLBTs these days.. if u add that up to the population of their friends and families that have sympathy for them.. then u would understand that the forces behind action and reactions when it comes to gay issues is not neutral after all.. there is always an interest.
"Of course there is no committee of white people who are looking for homosexuality everywhere in order to control people by constantly feeding homosexual thoughts in people's brain."

cheers.

I am quite aware of the high population of GLBTs. If you say the US are terrorists then OK. Its your personal belief but just understand that not everyone would agree with you [I somehow agree with you by the way] But as regards the gay issue, once again I insist that nothing like homosexualism is being forced on Africa. Africans are the ones forcing it on themselves. When so much issue is devoted to an issue then the issue would escalate. With the amount of time being devoted to this matter I forsee an increase in homosexuality in Nigeria

jjmk: Good day all, pls i need to know if i can pay for my ACCA exam online with my GTB mastercard. Thanks.

Yes. Yes you can pay with any master or visa card.

Any synergy student in the house?

Atheists who are moral are moral because it is the right thing to do and that to me is the purest form of morality. It comes from within an individual

Religious people are moral because they expect rewards or try to avoid punishments. Or because they are told to be moral by figures of authority [Religious people can also be moral because it is the right thing to do]

Personal experience: I was walking with a super religious catholic friend [A girl] when a very thin woman carrying 2 equally thin children approached us to beg for money. As the woman approached I noticed my friend was getting uneasy and by the time the woman stretched out her hand my friend practically jumped up and ran away. I gave the woman N200 and asked my friend about it later. Her reply was that she does all the giving she needs to do in church and one cannot be too careful of the evil in the world. I said OK...

The Laws of God, The Laws of Man

The laws of God, the laws of man,
He may keep that will and can;
Not I: let God and man decree
Laws for themselves and not for me;
And if my ways are not as theirs
Let them mind their own affairs.
Their deeds I judge and much condemn,
Yet when did I make laws for them?
Please yourselves, say I, and they
Need only look the other way.
But no, they will not; they must still
Wrest their neighbor to their will,
And make me dance as they desire
With jail and gallows and hell-fire.
And how am I to face the odds
Of man's bedevilment and God's?
I, a stranger and afraid
In a world I never made.
They will be master, right or wrong;
Though both are foolish, both are strong.
And since, my soul, we cannot fly
To Saturn nor to Mercury,
Keep we must, if keep we can,
These foreign laws of God and man.

Alfred Edward Housman

Anvaller: Nonsense.. animals that exhibit such behavior are not actually gay, it is the crazy white folks that prefer to call them gay as a justification for their mischievous claim that gay1sm is a natural phenomenon.

Wrong on all counts. There are many animals that engage in homosexual sex. When you say crazy white folks calling them gay to justify their homosexuality don't you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist to yourself? I doubt that all scientists that research the homosexual phenomenon in animals are actually gay themselves.

At least I have learned thru integrated science since way back late 80s (when the world was much saner than it is today) that animal exhibit abnormal sexual behaviors as a result of response to external stimuli. For example, an animal can display sign of heat by mounting another animal of the same sex if animals of opposite sex was not easily reachable or not available at all.

First of all I don't know what you learned in integrated science but you know science is always discovering new things and during that period much research might not have gone into the homosexual phenomenon of animals. According to your logic I could claim that the earth is flat because that's what science taught when the earth was much saner.
Your post about animals exhibiting abnormal sexual behaviors in response to external stimuli for example animals mounting other animals when the opposite sex is not available might be true but there are still animals that engage in homosexual sex even when the opposite sex is available

And further in biology, such behavior was simply refered to as "abnormality" if its a female animal that is not expected to be on heat at that time or "normal" if the animal was actually on heat. no book that I was exposed to as at that time ever connected it to gay1sm.

Once again are you talking of your elementary science books of the 80's?

I don't know why these white folks relate every single incidence to gay1sm by every slightest chance all in a bid to just popularize the act by hammering it in ppls brain constantly.

This is the part that got me upset and respond the way I did. If you are a conspiracy theorist then you are entitled to your beliefs but don't spread such things so matter of factly and sow disunity among humans.
Of course there is no committee of white people who are looking for homosexuality everywhere in order to control people by constantly feeding homosexual thoughts in people's brain. I could even claim that its the anti-homo people that devote so much time and energy to it which only inflames the issue

Anvaller: Nonsense.. animals that exhibit such behavior are not actually gay, it is the crazy white folks that prefer to call them gay as a justification for their mischievous claim that gay1sm is a natural phenomenon. At least I have learned thru integrated science since way back late 80s (when the world was much saner than it is today) that animal exhibit abnormal sexual behaviors as a result of response to external stimuli. For example, an animal can display sign of heat by mounting another animal of the same sex if animals of opposite sex was not easily reachable or not available at all. And further in biology, such behavior was simply refered to as "abnormality" if its a female animal that is not expected to be on heat at that time or "normal" if the animal was actually on heat. no book that I was exposed to as at that time ever connected it to gay1sm. I don't know why these white folks relate every single incidence to gay1sm by every slightest chance all in a bid to just popularize the act by hammering it in ppls brain constantly.

What the fvck is this one saying? Abeg don't talk about matters that you are very ignorant of

OK. If that's the way you see it then you are correct. However you choose to look at it is correct to you.

LemonBoy1: Nw dats settles ds very enlightening debate. Man naturally is'nt perfect cos of his inherent/natural ego so dats y Man continously strive 4 perfection nd to ensures its sustainability wen achieved. I rest my issue here

Let me also add that from the point of view of the ego, perfection can never be achieved or sustained

But man is still perfect. Once again its your ego telling you that man is not perfect. And its just doing what its supposed to do perfectly. Whatever outcome that occurs is still perfect. Whether you follow the ego and try to make adjustments as you see fit or you just ignore it

^Yes, yes it does