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wiegraf: Heh
Good luck

Good luck accepted. And good luck with your beliefs too

frosbel: Well , you summarised the point very well.

Kudos to you

OK.
1. You claim it is the sinners who are saved and repented that make up the church.
2. The catholic church is not a church.

If people in the catholic church are saved and have repented would they belong to the real church?
What does it mean to be saved because the biblical definition I know of salvation is to believe in Jesus.

John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Don't catholics believe in Jesus? [That means they are saved and they belong to the real church]
Hitler believed in Jesus also.

You make this claim that Hitler was not a christian based on the killings He did. but when God "supposedly" ordered Saul in the bible to kill a whole nation including new born babies, women, children even the animals [1 Samuel 15:3]. Couldn't God have supposedly told Hitler the same thing?

wiegraf: You cannot infer that from the double slit experiment, considering uncertainty. At the very most, hidden dimensions or tuning, etc.

You are welcome to your beliefs though.

I know that and I didn't infer that energy is conscious from the double slit experiment. I know there could be many explanations to the results. I really don't have any evidence to base my claim on but its just what I believe based on my paradigm. To explain it from the point of view of the physical senses would be futile but if you viewed the world from another dimension, everything feels alive even tables and chairs and so on. If you haven't experienced it, it wouldn't make sense to you anyway. Its just one of those things someone might go on to prove far down into the future and become Time's person of the century.

^^^^ So if I understand you correctly

It is these sinners who are saved , and who have responded to Acts 17:30 , that make up the true CHURCH or Body of Christ.
The original meaning of church has always been the assembly of such individuals , who form the corporate body of Christ.

And the Roman Catholic church cannot in the true sense of the definition explained qualify as a CHURCH.

So therefore, the catholic church of which Hitler was a part of isn't a church and therefore Hitler wasn't a christian?

plaetton: He he he. Always the revisionist. When ever you are defeated in an any point, then that point has to be redefined.
You said Hitler was not a christian, others proved to you that he was, now for that reason, you have to redefine christianity just to make sure that Hitler does not fit that new definition.
What a joker you are.

Lol. Quite funny but let's allow him to keep redefining. Very soon his definition of Christianity would be those that go to Okija shrine.

frosbel: what church ?

The man made institution or the body led my Christ ?

Kindly direct me to the body led by Christ providing detailed instructions on how to become part of it and how it is different from the man made institution.
Then after doing that, explain how Hitler was not a member of it.
If you can, give scriptural references to your points

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Err.... Islam too??

Islam and Xtianity are neck and neck.[/quote]By Religion I mean all beliefs that try to influence human behavior with the idea of God. They have all produced evil pricks.
Christianity and Islam are nowhere near neck and neck. Islam is bad but Christianity was another ball game entirely. Its not even the senseless killings done by the church and mosques that offend me, its the mental slavery they put the world in. Islam just capitalized on what the church had already done. The church wiped out and replaced our History with their propaganda and that's just unforgivable. All the book burnings and erasing books from history and so on... When someone had an idea that could progress humanity the church would suppress the idea and likely kill the person. Although the catholic church has already apologized for most of its wrong doings.

Happy birthday to the original poster. lagerwhenindoubt?

wiegraf: You believe energy is conscious?

Yes

frosbel: If you believe in your last statement , you must be telling a joke, right

okay happy new year too !

Well the church accepted him. I know Jesus promised to build his kingdom on what frosbel wants. So I agree. Hitler was a fucking unbeliever

wiegraf: Dictionary definition of life

https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=life+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

-The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional...
-Living things and their activity: "some sort of life existed on Mars".

Light isn't alive. The sun etc. @atheist's answer may suffice actually. If you classify the sun as alive then virtually everything would be alive, no? Energy interacting with energy.

Well in that sense, the sun isn't alive. However, I like to use a broader definition of life. All energy is alive

truthislight: read the scriptures again and get what it says and not what your brain want to read.
Peace

I have never changed the scriptures or misinterpreted it in my life. Even now. I am just quoting it and stating facts. You are the one seeing what your brain wants to see

frosbel: Someone who has :

1. Repented from their sins and shallow way of life
2. Believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and the remission of their past sins through his BLOOD
3. Baptized or infilled with the Holy Spirit.

OK. Happy new year everyone. My bible defines a christian as the first 2 above of which Hitler was

frosbel: Sorry kid, you are the one displaying blatant ignorance.

First off, you do not understand the basic definition of what a Christian is.

You can hyperventilate all you want, your definition of what a Christian should be is totally irrelevant to the argument.

So please enlighten us. What is a christian? And by your definition are you one?

truthislight: *strawman*

i thought i red from that ^^^ that God created "two light"
Hmmm!

God created the 2 great lights which is the sun and the moon then almost as an afterthought He created over 70 sextillion stars. The problem is that the moon isn't a light and doesn't produce light

If you are arguing from the bible, the bible clearly severally states that God creates and perpetrates evil.



I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)

Ymodulus: y shud i waste my time on a talk without facts?
u clearly stated it above to forget facts when arguing with atheist. Sir pls lets be reasonable why wud i blive in some comic stories without facts? pls dont say this next time

I think He meant that He wasn't serious about the original post. It was a joke. An unintentional troll to you

[quote author=Atheist:-D]We cannot classify it as life. If there is life in light it would be a new discovery. Also energy+mass does not necessarily guarantee life. The sun is not alive.

Light has specific properties but so far no mass. There are experiments that highlight it might have mass but it is too small to measure accurately.[/quote]That's a pretty big absolute statement to make. On what basis do you state this fact so conclusively?

inurmind: How do you yearn on words?

He obviously doesn't know the meaning of yearn

ooman: The truth about religion is the The Worship of the Flying Spagetti is the only true religion.

Laugh has almost killed me here. Please don't ignore the Invisible Pink Unicorns

davidylan: perhaps you also want to learn?

ALWAYS...

frosbel: Hitler was a Christian ? lol

keep telling these crazy tales and they will soon make you a comedian

Some of Hitler's religious quotes

1. Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

2. And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.

3. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

4. I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .

5. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

And so on. I know frosbel is God who shall deny some of the people who called Him Lord on judgement day because He knows all the real and fake Christians however Hitler was a christian

Is the point of an argument to win or to learn? If its to win then just shout louder than whoever you are arguing with is able to and you will surely win.
If its to learn then the whole post is redundant.
The Hitler example is a straw man argument and By the way Hitler was a christian and didn't tolerate anyone in His ranks talking against the christian religion. His movement was a christian one and aside from that, Religion has seen more evil pricks than any other singular classification of humans.
Now to go and look for a job then.

wiegraf: Energy. Uncertainty principle, etc

OK. Life is random then.

wiegraf: It's just random. Truly, something from nothing random

Can you expantiate? What's random?

wiegraf: What about it?

If you actually read it, you'll see light certainly acts conscious. Also about the plants, it has been proven that plants have a memory and can remember light patterns and so on. And when they need water, they release a sound at a pitch 5 times higher than what humans are able to hear (cry for help) there's a kind of algae that has been proven to have a memory and calculative abilities too

wiegraf: You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.


Therefore no soul = no life

I could have sworn I read that exact same post from either billyonaire or greatgenius. About the consciousness of light, check the double slit experiment.

advocate666: Another thing is that some of those starts are already dead. Infact, some died millions years before the bible was written. What we are seeing are light that left the stars, hundreds of millions of years ago.

The question the godly will ask is, if you can see it, is it dead? does it mean that there is life after death? I the universe is limitless, that means that the light from stars will continue travelling forever, thus never dying. So everlasting life is once again proved by science.

It makes a lot of sense but then again the bible said God created the stars, finished creating and then rested. But now we know stars are still being born and will still be born. So is God still creating or Genesis is just hocus pocus

Also can someone else explain what materials animals and birds and fishes and so on were created from because the book of Genesis records that animals were
1. Brought forth from the waters
2. Formed from the ground by God

Genesis
1:20-21
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Possibilities.
1. 2 Different authors as Genesis seems to tell 2 different stories of creation
2. Waters and ground are the same thing. [Then not just stick with one to avoid confusion]

Thoughts?

Reyginus: I just hope you come out whole.

Divert to new thread and let Mazaje and Mr_Anony keep explaining the matter of whether thoughts are physical and can be constructed or injected in other beings.

Reyginus: Peeping..

Seen.

Reyginus: Lololol. Dude, wiegraf is an atheist.

WTF? This dude was trolling me? and to think I created a thread. Smh