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patrickmuf:
Messi is a failure at International football but when he won the COPA we started hearing stories...

The good thing is that his haters are out with the excuses are early this time...So, if Messi wins the Ligue 1 that PSG couldn't win and seven lost their version of the Super Cup to the same Lille to show that it wasn't a fluke, he didn't do anything spectacular, he should win the UCL which if he does they'd find another excuses...

Hehehe I sabi una well well...

afrodoc2:
NAME 5 QUALITY INTERNATIONAL GRADE LIGUE 1 CENTRAL DEFENDERS THAT MESSI WILL FACE THIS SEASON.

I am asking for the 135.4618th time.

patrickmuf:
I thought they were all farmers?

TheLequte:
Lol. Chief.

That’s just one of the inconsistent things you mentioned.

England scored early but decided to sit back.

But that’s even besides the main point.

Tell me every player in each position in that English team are the best in those same positions in the EPL and we can end this disco.

Cos that’s what you think. And that’s how you judge the EPL. And you are freaking wrong.

patrickmuf:
Who are the top EPL defenders?

Diaz from Benfica...

Varane a product of Ligue 1...

Azpi signed from Marseille...

Van Dijk signed from the Scottish league...

Varane was signed by Madrid from Lens who had just been relegated back then...

Azpi was signed by Chelsea from Marseille...

I assume the Scottish and Portuguese leagues qualify as farmers league too yet the best EPL defenders were signed from there...

If not for his injury Fofana was already touted as one of the best EPL defenders, guess where he was signed from?

Gabriel of Arsenal nko?

That defenders in the French Ligue 1 are not popular is down to the league and not because they are farmers...If Ligue 1 had the money and media packaging of the EPL, they'd be miles ahead...

patrickmuf:
Illimitab.le has shut down your argument listing players who came from leagues that ordinarily you'd class as farmers league but still bossed the EPL...

As I said, there's more to football...

handelex:
This your comment is very funny to me seeing how you're trying to excuse Southgate and hold the players accountable

This life shaa

patrickmuf:
Doc leave history, the EPL is not far ahead of the French Ligue 1 and the players there are not farmers...

We might never agree on this one so, let's just leave it here...

handelex:
Where is your empathy and sympathy as medical doctor?

You're not a nice Doctor at all.

Roland17:
Just when I thought your madness has been healed, you carry this one come!

And Na always on Mondays u dey carry new one come.. Doc ehhhh

patrickmuf:
Okay, I accept they're no international grade defenders in the whole league but then, why didn't/haven't Ibra, Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Mbappe, Neymar etc scored more than 40-50 league goals not even consistently but at least for once?. Who was stopping them, farmers? Must be farmers who can play the beautiful game then...

patrickmuf:
It's not down to his footballing abilities...If we start listing players that the French Ligue 1 has produced we won't stop anytime soon.

If was that easy, Falcao, Ibra, Benzema, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar and co would have been scoring 40 - 50 goals every season while they were/are there...

timay1:
Verrati is a Rich man's Ndombele.

Good at holding and driving the ball in the middle with good dribble. But poor and erratic passing.

Pogba does the dribbling too and the cherry on top is that he's an excellent passer of the ball, both long and short passes.

nitrogen:

patrickmuf:
I could easily mention defenders from Monaco, Marseille and Lyon at least I watch them when they play PSG but you will latch onto the bolded...

The goal stats for each Ligue 1 season should point to the fact that their defenders are not that bad. Moreso, that league churns out some of the finest DM who also help in shielding the defense...

In summary, while they may be relatively unknown, they are not farmers neither are they grossly inferior to their peers in more popular leagues...

patrickmuf:
..........................Donnarumma............................

Hakimi.......Varane............Maguire.......Shaw......

..................................Gueye....................................

...................Bruno.................Pogba.......................

Messi......................Mbappe.....................Neymar

I can possibly swap Donnarumma for De Gea and Mbappe for Ronaldo...

As for the 11 defenders, I do not follow Ligue 1 religiously but from facts on ground, they are not farmers are you try to paint them.

patrickmuf:
The back and forth is counter productive, if Ligue 1 had farmers for defenders, Mbappe would have been scoring over 40 goals per season after all he also plays in that same PSG set up.

The reason why I asked for the combined 11 is to highlight that we too have a lot of quality players...

If we sampled the opinions of folks about a lot of Chelsea players whilst Lampard was coach, I am certain very few persons will say anything good of Rudiger and Alonso. At was point it was as if Azpi was done at the top level and Kante was past it but look at them now. If we had Tuchel rather than Ole, Sancho will most likely be tearing up the league, VDB and a host of our players will play to their true potentials leading to pundits rating us very highly but that's not the case now so it looks like we don't have a very good team when it's not really the case.

patrickmuf:
That's your pick, another person will have Maguire and Bruno Starting...It's down to your preferences. The bottom line is that we also have a lot of quality players and good options to call from the bench in our set up so, the idea of Messi playing with top players is true for Ronaldo too...

If we had a good coach, a lot of people will have us rated higher.

GloryIsaac:
Patrick wants to drop the most reliable player on the team just to prove a point

KingAlabi:
With tight games coming up

I feel we should win our next 4 games since they are all at old Trafford, the tricky ones for me are westham in the EPL cup and Villarreal.

Villarreal are currently hard to score against conceding just twice in their opening 4 league games, that might change in the coming weeks though.

patrickmuf:
Ligue 1 defenders are just as good as EPL defenders...If they were that poor, why hasn't Mbappe scored ridiculous number of goals? Last season he scored a modest 27 goals...For a league that you rate so poorly, Mbappe should be hitting 40-50 goals already...

I am surprised and Maguire and Bruno didn't make your combined 11...To be honest, I will play Bruno as AM and drop Ronaldo to the bench...

Bombblacks:
Messi for the last two seasons always starts slow and by January explodes. People should really think before typing just 2months into a new season and making baseless predictions.

patrickmuf:
I'll wait for that of other Ronaldo fans...

As for quality of players, PSG had to rely on a late goal to beat Lyon yesterday...Football is not about having star attackers alone...Club Brugge proved it...

I think it is you who noted here that PSG do not have a balanced team a while back...They might have a fearsome attack but it ends there, in midfield and defense they're not all that...

patrickmuf:
Messi has made just 2 appearances for PSG in Ligue 1, a sub appearance vs Reims and his first start yesterday...If this was December, I'd be concerned but not now, he will still dominate that League like he did in Spain...

patrickmuf:
Doc, just dropped the combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United, it is easier than looking for ex players to form a team...

afrodoc2:
The quality of players you are playing with has to be compared with the quality of players you are playing against.

patrickmuf:
PSG were in pot 2 in the UCL because they didn't win that league last season...If PSG were that good, Lille wouldn't have won the league ahead of them...

patrickmuf:
He is facing Monaco and Lyon defenders...

patrickmuf:
When he had that debate weeks back, I said the same thing...I only brought up goals per game ratio to highlight a point...

Meanwhile, let me see your combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United players, I want to check if Messi is playing with stars and Ronaldo is having to do it all on his own.

patrickmuf:
Same defenders wey Ronaldo no fit bully for UCL, same defenders wey City with their super attack no fit bully...Yes, those same defenders...