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Leyqute:
I’m skeptical of that deal. Bayern tend to release players only after they’ve extracted every juice of football from them.

They’d play well before they leave Bayern but on getting to another club they’d be useless.

Very true. However in this case he was the one who refused to extend his contract. He is just 28yrs old and would be coming on a free transfer.

His ability to play a high line is what i like about him and of course his passing ability as well. If this team plays with 2 CBs that can play a high line comfortably you would be amazed at how much everything would improve.

nitrogen:
Did I not tell you that your list get as e be? Alaba is washed up and tired, we should aim for VVD and De Ligt, ready-made, hot and perfect defenders.

Aim for VVD? The VVD of LIVERPOOL who recently ruptured all the ligaments in his knee and will turn 30 this year?

I like De Ligt but Upamecano has been better than De Ligt over the last 2 years.

I am not so sure Alaba is washed up. He would be coming on a free and will just be turning 29. His ability to play a high line is what i like about him. The knock against him is his relative lack of aerial ability.

And when did we discuss a list?

Leyqute:
The Alaba of Bayern Munich or another one ?

Yes.

ChristineC:
yeah well I'd not really mind that fee for Haaland. with the number of chances we fashion, we should be nearer 70 goals already. the issues at the back would have been masked.
£135-140m in the summer isn't excessive.
our midfield can be better but I think it's no longer pressing, and Matic it's staying one more year.

If we could get both it won't be bad. We could add Alaba on a free transfer. Upamecano and Alaba instead of those 2 we are currently using would be a major improvement.

ChristineC:
I'm going by their release clauses.
I think Upamecano has release clause that is active in the summer. 40m+ as reported.
Kanote is also good and should be priced lesser.
for Haaland, Ole should channel camaraderie.

Camaraderie when the longer throats Watzke and Raiola are involved.

Haaland alone will cost close to 100m. His release clause is not active until 2022 and is €75m. To get him a year earlier will cost at least 90m this summer and most likely more. He is not a winger like Sancho but a young goal machine.

Upamecano’s release clause is €45m but is activated this summer.

CapitalCee:
Ok Moyes is more clueless at united, let me take my initial comment as a hyperbole.

It has to be hyperbole. Amaka hasn’t shown me personally that he can take us to the top but i don’t moan about it consistently because I know what the Glazers and Woodward prioritise.

If he makes top 4 or wins the Europa they won’t sack him. They might not renew his contract at the end but they won’t sack him before time.

Moyes and LVG were sacked after missing out on UCL.

JM was sacked mid-season when it became clear that UCL qualification was in jeopardy.

They prematurely gave Amaka the job when it looked like UCL qualification was sure.

ChristineC:
we need speed at center back and one more capable competition upfront.
Haaland and Upamecano/Kanote can be brought in for around 100m.

Lol. Haaland AND Upamecano for 100m?

Not sure about that.

CapitalCee:
Are you saying Ole is a more accomplished manager than David Nwoye?

Don’t play smart and place words in my mouth. Nobody cares about accomplishments that were not with United.

Our argument was over who was the most clueless United manager and the answer is Moyes a million times. I was not arguing about who was more accomplished with you but who was more clueless during their time at United.

I don’t care if Moyes goes ahead to win the UCL with West Ham. That is not the argument.

When he was at United he was the most clueless manager we have had in modern history.

Whether he is intrinsically a better manager than Amaka but just had meningitis that year is a different debate, but for that season 2013-2014 he was and still remains the most clueless I have seen at United.

CapitalCee:
That was Fulham at least he got a draw. Ole lost to Sheffield United at old Trafford a team that was on course for an EPL lowest point total until Ole did saraka for them
Look at Moyes West Ham position in the table this season, a club he took in relegation battle last year. The last time Ole took a team like that, he sent them to championship and was about sending them to league 1 until they put him out of his misery.

I can’t illustrate to you enough how much i don’t give a phuck about what Moyes did at West Ham or East Ham.

I am talking about their records as United manager.
The lowest placed United manager in the last 30yrs is David Moyes. And he inherited defending champions.

He took us from no1 to no7 in one season.

We went from perennial champions league participants to not even qualifying for Europe( UCL or even Europa) for the first time in 25 years. In one season.

If you want to push your OleOut campaign Moyes is not the example to use.

handelex:
So this is the defence you can come up with?

You don't have any point.

He should continue his OleOut campaign and just forget this Moyes narrative.

Moyes that sat down and watched as his team made 81 crosses at Old Trafford against the bottom team and still didn’t win the match.

Dey spam crosses like G boy.

CapitalCee:
Moyes Bleep up yes but lets take things into perspective. Moyes took a team that finished 1st, but with Ferdinand and Vidic the world class starting CBs in thier last hurray, Vidic and Ferdinand concluded their transfers mid season, and both of thier careers effectively ended almost immediately. Rio was very useless at QPR, Vidic couldn't pick up at inter, scholes retired, Giggs became bit part player, Rooney has started declining, Van persie was injured almost the whole season. What was left for Moyes was bare bones, and he came in after the retirement of the greatest manager in British football it will be hard to cope, and moreover he only got Felliani that season.
For Ole, of the current regular starters only Maguire, Bruno and AWB were not there when he joined. He already has a goid team that finished 2nd a year before. Ole has this knack of losing when the pressure is high, he doesn't know how to win ruthlessly, he is naive, he is not competent, he is simply not good enough. Moyes might have performed badly but there was no evidence to suggest that if he is given more time he wouldn't have done better.

This is just a bunch of excuses. In 7 years time people will make better excuses for Amaka. If Moyes had just dropped us from 1st to 3rd or 4th you would have a point. 7th loun loun!

Moyes dropped 6 spots in one full season. Amaka has not done that yet.

Moyes cleared out a multiple title winning coaching staff and brought with him the who’s who of nothing to coach. Amaka brought back title winners to help him coach.

Moyes told Rio and Vidic to watch tapes of Jagielka to improve their defending.

Moyes is the apotheosis of cluelessness. Say no revisionist history.

Back to chilling on my fence.

CapitalCee:
Lol. Doc. David Moyes was not given the kind of opportunity ole was given. Ole finished 6th in his first season, Moyes 7th. Who knows how moyes would have done if he was a legend and was allowed to continue like Ole.

Nah not accepting that. Amaka had half a season and the team was already in trouble when he took over (which was exactly why he came in mid season anyway).

Moyes took a team from 1st to 7th in one season.
BIG DIFFERENCE. You can’t compare sleep to death.

Maybe it is because Amaka’s case is still fresh and Moyes was a long time ago but trying to compare what is happening now to what Moyes did devalues your OleOut argument.

When you make good points i will be the first to support you but indirectly trying to whitewash Moyes record? Kolewerk.

patrickmuf:
City won't struggle...I am certain if Pep handles our squad and Ole handles City, in no time Man City fans will start saying we have the better players...

The urgency in the passing of Man City players, their positional awareness and pressing isn't down to the players but tentamount to a well drilled team...

Doc said I should make peace with the fact that Ole is average but how do you make peace knowing that we are headed to no where with Ole as coach? Aren't we wasting the talents of our current crop of players?

Is it not when we realized that Mou has reached his peak with us especially when he started causing trouble that most folks here gave up on him? How long before we realize that nearly isn't what brought us thus far? We always managed to win irrespective of the conditions but now, we seem to find excuse for every set back...

Na public service i dey do. I care about the health of my fellow United fans.

If you have studied the Glazers and Woodward over the last decade you will see that what matters to them is the Champion’s League qualification.
Check out the timing of their manager sackings.

A couple of weeks ago i posted a list of facts that would help both OleOut and OleIn live with peace of mind. If you read that list you will also have a relaxed mind.

patrickmuf:


Mjebri, Elanga, Diallo and a couple of others are looking good but I won't be surprise if Man City unearth the next gem...Everything look good at City because Pep has a system that works and he tries to improve his players just so they can fit into his system...

KDB and Aguero being injured is like us being without Bruno and Rashford...Nobody on these board will expect us to win at Anfield without Bruno and Rashford but look at City yesterday, you'd hardly realize their best players weren't on the pitch.

I really don’t know why you are troubling yourself. I blame some of you OleOutters for giving yourselves unnecessary high BP.

Amaka is a manager who is still trying to prove himself in football. Pep is one of the greatest managers who ever lived. Ever lived o.

If you accept these 2 facts you will know much peace. Na why i get relaxed mind on top this fence.

KingAlabi a.k.a Sarkin OleIn actually has a point. Why do you people get so angry every time Amaka proves that he is not an exceptional manager (which we already know)?

Panther7:
Hopefully that fence won't collapse

You no see as i dey use agidi kick OleInners like KingAlabi and handelex comot for the fence.

We wey build am we know the seating capacity.

handelex:
I'm on the fence Doc.

I am sorry but your name no dey register.

You are OleIn. Claim it with your chest.

Fly your colour loud and proud. Nobody fit give you sliding tackle for here. You are covered.

Handelex don drop missile on behalf of OleIn. I will leave it to an OleOutter to respond.

Enjoying fresh air here up on the fence.

CapitalCee:
Focus on your useless team that can't defend, stop complaining about the speck in another man's eye whrn you have a log of wood in yours. Your darling manager Ole is the most clueless person i have seen manage Man utd. If he has any dignity left in him, he should leave honorably by the end of the season.

Calm down bruv. This is recency bias.

David Moyes is the most clueless. Confirm.

Panther7:
Doc with his usual subtlety, reaffirming his position as Ole out

I am a fencist my guy. We chilling on the fence blazing spliff every day.

A40:
Never bet against the GOAT

Mogba fun oga mi. He is not the BOAT but he is the GOAT x 2.

Outside Bill Russell i can't think of a greater winner in the history of team sports.

How i wish Amaka could be made sports minister of Norway so he can resign the United job and we can appoint Nagelsmann.

Expert you have some oil links in Norway. Please make it happen.

Tom Brady. You muthafuka.

patrickmuf:
Are City players individually the best in the league or is it down to Pep?

BOTH. If Pep should mistakenly handle Sancho there will be lots of anguish amongst EPL defenders.

Wetin Foden and Sancho use our academy defenders eye see i no fit forget.

KingAlabi:
Which defender do we look at now to come in and stabilize this defense?

Afrodoc2, nitrogen, lana1, sylvalord, handelex,eph12

For me I need a Ramos et Pepe like defender

The most important attribute is that he must not be slow. So that rules out players like Vestegaard, Milenkovic. If we had 2 pacy CBs that would allow us to play a high line comfortably it would transform the team.

Kounde, Upamecano, Militao, Alaba, Ramos, Konate is injury prone.

If i had nitrogen's influence i would buy 2 of them, send Maguire to the bench, sell Lindelof and loan out Tuanzebe. I would leave Bailly to do his hospital rotation until his contract expires.

People at this point are just looking for what is not missing. With Fred we still dominated possession 62 to 38, chances created 14 to 6, and made 250 more passes.
The balance from midfield was good enough to win the match.

Uniquisite:
FRED affected our balance if we are being sincere.. The tactics Everton employed which is to quickly close down the CM's, we need a calm baller who can holdand dictate which Pogba was doing till he got injured. Since Fred got on, the responsibility shifted to Lindelof if you observe. VDB have more to offer than Fred in the game. The McFred combo is to help the defense, still defense collapse. Why not play VDB who can dictate play from deep.

I may be wrong sha

The defeat had nothing to do with Fred. We just were careless at the back and suffered from critical errors at crucial moments. This was a game we controlled practically from start to finish.

We had 62% possession and made 250 more passes than Everton with a pass accuracy of 89% to their 81%. We also created 14 shots to their 6. Our midfielders did enough for us to win last night. It was one of our best performances as a team but a few unfortunate people allowed the devil to use them.

Smellymouth:
You can't purely blame DDG. Yes he could've done better but surely you have to question where the cover was? And we wouldn't have conceded in the absolute last minute if Maguire stuck to the offside trap like ever single other player but instead he let 5 everton players onside..

But i was not purely blaming DDG though.

eleshin:
As the captain and one of our CBs Maguire should be the one organizing the line during set pieces. Did everybody disobey his instruction or he just decided to act on his own.

I don't know what the plan was but if it was to keep a high line and play them offside it was the wrong plan IMO.

CapitalCee:
Nobody is asking Tuanzebe to be prime Roberto Carlos that day. Just dont put any foot wrong, afterall his is left footed. But your man cannot help himself to an error. Look at our loss to Istanbul Bahrddshkdssgdd, his positioning, awareness and ability were shocking.

Tuanzebe is right footed not left footed. Playing him at LB is actually ridiculous and will be a disaster any time. Vidic is 10 times the player O'Shea was but if you put Vidic at left back you will shed tears.

Oasis007:
Rashford killed us, take it or leave it. Tuanzebe is simply the Scapegoat here.

3 goals should be enough. Strikers always miss chances and we can't score 9 goals every week.. This loss is on the defense and the manager.

patrickmuf:
Bro that second goal is down to poor marking, how on earth did we afford James all that space?

3rd goal is down to stupidity from Ole and our defenders...That ball was too far out for De Gea to come rushing out for...

The line was too high. In that last minute situation they should have dropped deeper than the Everton players and cleared the ball but of course they couldnt do it cos they have a cowardly keeper who can't clear balls in traffic.

MaziAlaye:
Others set offside trap, while World most expensive idiot keeps them onside in the 95th minute.

You shouldn't be setting offside trap in that situation. The risk is too high as was proven. They should have dropped deeper and cleared the ball AND the keeper should have been coming out to clear everybody in his path bu De Gea is a sissy at his core. He is probably the most cowardly top club keeper i know.