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dopeJemi:
who get link to the video

Google john terry mum e go direct u.
She handle the oyoyo like hand brake....cold catch me.

Agbakolly:
Baba if you see the way she handle the guy ogbologbo u go fear

Omo see tekkers. And she be leftie. Use tennis grip handle the abuna

raumdeuter:
What happened to John Terry's mom, Does she SUCK too?

She be pro. And she dey thief too.
What a penkelemes

It is now easy to see why JT has been going down recently.....ooops I meant JT has sucked balls lately....oh geez. I just mean John Terry's performances lately have lacked a load of spunk.
Cor blimey , I am out of here. So sorry

MRTA7:
I agree with your 1st point particularly with Zlatan and pogba. Valencia has atleast been getting a break here and there.

I don't think we have a choice but to play those 3 in the middle. A little worried about Blind in defence though.

Since it is Blind we could play 3 at the back and protect them with 2 wing backs, sit a little deep (not park the bus) and counter attack with the pace of Rashford and Lingard/Martial.

MRTA7:
Pogba definitely out of tomorrow's match. Another injury caused by fatigue. Played 90 mins after playing 120mins 3 days prior not the smartest idea.

Mourinho ran pogba, zlatan and Valencia into the ground IMO.
He might go for a Fellaini and Herrera midfield tomorrow or add Carrick to make it a 3 man midfield.
I don't think it would make much difference though cos from a tactical point of view Pogba is our least important midfielder.

Igwe must hear this. Adisaowala pls Who enter prison for Britain?

Chelseafan1:
You hold on to whoscored, let me hold on to my matrix that gave me a better stat on take ons, chances created, assists, goals and the likes.

No be only goals scored den dey take rate better attacker.

There is a reason Kante was voted the best player in the league. He didn't score 10 goals across all competition.

Cr7 and Messi don spoil una.

ok

Chelseafan1:
Hahahaha, you've lost it...., wetin be this? godnyt sir.

Lol.
Was trying to pull up whoscored stats for those seasons. Suarez was so much better but of course you can believe what you want

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All these dodgy matrix things people use to make themselves happy.
Suarez played just 33 matches and scored 31 goals and Hazard played more matches (35) and scored less than half ( 14) but your dodgy matrix still gives edge in goals scored to Hazard.
One was scoring goals and winning awards the other has fans compiling Oluwole matrix.

Chelseafan1:
Suarez is a striker, Hazard is not. Costa as a striker has been posting more number of goals than Hazard, a midfielder, yet no one would rate Costa ahead of him cos of goals and assists.

Were you watching EPL in 2012/2013? Or just listening on radio?
The 2 seasons they were in the EPL, Suarez was better. The stats say it, the awards say it , the eye test said it.
Let it go.
If you can't prove he was better than Suarez in those 2 seasons just drop the matter

Chelseafan1:
Was that your point when you made this statement in response to Nihilist.



You mean you had just a season in mind when you made that statement??

Even the season before in which Suarez scored 30 goals in 44 matches and Hazard scored 13 goals in 62 matches Suarez was much better.
They spent 2 seasons together in the EPL and in each season Suarez was better.
I am comparing them when they were both in the EPL.

Chelseafan1:
All these ones wey u dey talk no be the real reason why i quoted you, no dey try play smart abeg.




This right here was the reason you mentioned he won PFA, FWA, it was to further buttress your point that he was better than Hazard, it was after then I now told you that Hazard also won those, don't leave out this first post.

This was what you posted in response to my question about how Suarez was better than Hazard in the EPL.

Guy I have been patient. He won them in a season they were BOTH in the EPL and Hazard didn't win them then. Or do u expect Suarez to keep winning EPL awards in La Liga?
The only fair comparison we have is when they were both in EPL and Suarez won the awards, Hazard didn't. That was my point.

Chelseafan1:
If Suarez was that good, he would have won atleast one EPL title or one FA cup with his team, this is what your friend Raumdeuter always told us.

How was he better than Hazard who had a big part to play in our title - winning season is what I still don't understand.

In order to buttress your point, you were quick to add PFA winner, FWA winner, all of which Hazard has also won.

So, wetin u Kon dey talk.?

Did Hazard win them when Suarez was in the EPL?
My point was that WHEN SUAREZ WAS IN THE EPL HE WAS BETTER THAN HAZARD. It can't be that complex to understand. That particular 2013-2014 season Suarez scored more goals, made more assists and won the personal accolades and his team finished above Hazard's team.
You need to compare their performances when they were both in the EPL not performances from other years when Suarez had left.
Once again WHEN SUAREZ WAS IN THE EPL HE WAS BETTER THAN HAZARD.

If you don't accept my view you are free to go in peace.

Chelseafan1:
If you didn't tow the insult lane first, i wouldn't give it to you.

Hazard won his own PFA with the EPL and FA cup, which spoon did Suarez win with his own PFA?

There's a level to this shiit.

You don't come here to tell us, Suarez is better than Hazard without being able to prove it. Keep your nonsense to your thread.

Is it on this same thread that people are refusing to accept Messi is more talented than Hazard that I need to prove anything?
Guy I don't need to prove anything to you.
Believe what you want to believe.
There are indeed levels to this shiit and you pack the most.

Chelseafan1:
Oga ade, take several seats jor, 22/23, he won it in his second season, that's the koko, stop grasping at straws...so because an older Suarez won it and Hazard won the young version, it's enuf for u to claim he was sweeping the award like he did it more than once


You are even more foolish than Raumdeuter.

We asked you to mention another player aside cr7 dt won it around that age, you dey foam for mouth.

I have zero tolerance for this kinda foolishness.

Lol. You tried to form teacher chike and correct me and you were the one who was wrong and now you dey vex.
No vex believe what you want.
I will not insult you cos we are not mates in age or any other standard.
The argument was not between Hazard and other young boys but between Hazard and Suarez.
Suarez was better than Hazard when Suarez was in the EPL is my point.
If you believe something else no problem .

Chelseafan1:
Hazard was 22 not 23,get your facts right.
It's easy for you to mention Ronaldo, aside him, mention any other 22 year old that won it in the EPL.

Hazard was born in Jan 1991 and the award was in April 2014.
How was he 22? You need to calm down and wise up.

raumdeuter:
No one take you serious here. No serious minded person wont place Suarez over Hidden as a footballer

The guy is not serious. People just take being a fan so literally and become fanatics lol.
Last year they were comparing hazard to Neymar until they became gentle now because of a few tashere goals he is now as talented as Messi, he just doesn't shoot enough

Chelseafan1:
Debunk any of my post that is not true.

I wouldn't accept you coming here to tell us that Suarez had a better EPL than Hazard with nothing noteworthy to back up your claims.

Hazard was 23. At that age Ronaldo was on his 2nd EPL player of the year. So age is no excuse.
That was the age Ronaldo won his first WPOTY so age is no excuse. Messi had won WPOTY at that age so age is no excuse.
Suarez was better. He won all the awards, he scored more goals and he made more assists.
I don't want to belabour the argument because it is a distraction.
Believe what you want to believe.

Chelseafan1:
Pay attention.
When Suarez was there he cleaned up the accolades, Hazard started getting those awards after Suarez left.

This is bullshit, dead on arrival, when Suarez won it, Hazard was just settling into Chelsea after winning the Europa in his first season, he went on to win the Young player PFA while Suarez won the PFA, maybe you have forgotten. You are probably the only one expecting a 21/22-year old Hazard to win the PFA ahead of Suarez.
I really don't understand what you meant by the bolded.


Let Hazard out score dele alli and Lampard and Alexis Sanchez before you compare him to his gods.


If Alexis was that good, he would have won a PFA since he joined the Epl ahead of Hazard, Suarez and Bale won it Spurs and Pool, Sanchez has no excuse even with his high number of goals. There's a reason Hazard is being recognised as the better player, that is to tell you that, it isn't only about goals and assists.


I am not saying that hazard isn't a good player but this heresy that just transplanting him to Barca will turn 15 goals to 50 like at the wedding at Cana has to be stamped out before the flock are misled.

I never mentioned he would score 50 goals per season in Barca, I am not one of those saying that, don't include me mbok.

Lastly, you haven't been able to prove to me that, Suarez was a better player than Hazard in the EPL.

I don't have to prove anything to you guy.
Believe what want to believe.
He was 23 and at that age Ronaldo and Messi were winning WPOTY and Ronaldo was winning his 2nd EPL player of the year. This Hazard b.s has to stop.

Chelseafan1:
Wait, bar the golden boot award, did Hazard not win all these EPL awards Suarez won?
Suarez is a striker, Hazard isn't.

How many EPL title did Suarez win for Pool, how many FA cups and even carling??

Is Suarez better just because he scored higher number of goals as a striker.

Pay attention.
When Suarez was there he cleaned up the accolades, Hazard started getting those awards after Suarez left.
Let Hazard out score dele alli and Lampard and Alexis Sanchez before you compare him to his gods.

I am not saying that hazard isn't a good player but this heresy that just transplanting him to Barca will turn 15 goals to 50 like at the wedding at Cana has to be stamped out before the flock are misled.
Sanchez who is outscoring Hazard regularly now didn't score 50 in Barca but somehow Hazard will do what maybe 5 non9s have done in history?
Meanwhile he is scoring epinni goals in a dominant EPL team.

raumdeuter:
CHeck how many goals and assists SUarez was raking in with football legends like Sturridge, Henderson etc

Someone that won PFA player of the year, Football writers player of the year, EPL golden boot and European golden boot and the guy is still asking jamb question.
People on the next level to Messi like Suarez and robben are gentle but hazard with his toro kobo goals is close to Messi? Penkelemes

Nihilist:
The point I'm trying to make is that Messi's numbers are not unachievable by anybody else.

Suarez bettered Messi and with Neymar continues to post similar numbers, and that goes to show that a very good player playing in a very good team will post good results.


Obviously Messi is in a different class, but if Hazard was playing in that same team the difference between Mesi and Hazard will not be anywhere near as stark...especially if he starts shooting more.

It won't be as stark because Hazard's numbers will improve but it will still be CLEAR and no one will confuse the two.
Of all the prolific players that will get near Messi it is not Hazard's name that should be mentioned.
Let him out score Dele Alli or Alexis Sanchez first before you compare him to his gods.

Nihilist:
Actually, Hazard does have the talent. We've seen him do it time and again against some of the biggest teams in the game.

Accuracy is relative. Ronaldo's shot accuracy is lower than Lukaku's this season. The difference is the volume of shots Ororo takes. Hazard is usually very accurate with his shots. If he shot more, I am super confident that his goal tally will also jump exponentially.

For him to then reach Messi and Ororo levels, Hazard needs to play in similar team with similar team mates.

Suarez is not as good as Messi, but last season he had more goals AND assists than Messi. So don't tell me Hazard cannot reach Messi level of scoring.

Put him in the right team with the right teammates and see what happens. Just Neymar and Suarez average 40 assists per season between them for the last 3 seasons, and I haven't counted Iniesta Rakitic alba etc.

This season Pedro, Matic and Fabregas have 20 assists between them. Those are our 3 highest assisters o.

Forget story bros.

Suarez is a central striker and when he was EPL he was better than Hazard so that does not help the Hazard argument.
The Lukaku case just buttresses my point that if u take more shots like Cronaldo your accuracy will drop.
I hope Hazard moves so you guys' doubt will be cleared.
He will score more goals yes, but prime Messi and Cronaldo levels ? No

Nihilist:
I think you misunderstand this entire discussion doctor.

Let me remind you

I followed from the beginning.
You just can't multiply number of shots by a factor.
If he takes more shots his accuracy will drop and he won't be as prolific. He does not have the talent level to score Messi and CR7 levels of goals just like the rest of the human world.
He is not as tall, powerful, dominant in the air and does not shoot from both sides as well as a prime Ronaldo. He does not have the box awareness.
Change of mentality or team or increase in volume of shots won't push Hazard to Messi or CR7 levels.
He does not have it in him and you guys should stop putting such pressure on the young man.

The difference is TALENT. Not selflessness, not mentality, not shot shyness, not supporting cast.

Nihilist:
Shebi that is why we're all shouting for Hazard to shoot more.

Let him shoot more first and we can see. Me i believe he has the physical and technical attributes that he needs to be as effective as Messi. The only difference between them is their brains.

Even in FIFA video game, Messi is rated 93, Hazard is rated 88, so even their scouts must be in agreement with what we're saying.

Hazard shoot more!

That brain you just glossed over is what separates Messi from others like Hazard and co.
Also let us wait for him to shoot more and see the result first instead of just assuming and comparing him to one of the GOATS.
I am not knocking Hazard unnecessarily but there are levels to this and he is not even on the next level below Messi yet.

Nihilist:
Nobody said supporting cast alone is to blame, but if you say Hazard is nowhere close to Messi without considering how much more inferior this Chelsea team is to Barcelona, then you're not being objective

I am not hating on Hazard.
It was AFTER considering his supporting cast that I said he is not near him. I made adjustments for that and he is not near.
In the history of the game they are looking for who to place ahead of Messi and struggling and you people want to compare one 11 goal a season player to him.
Since Hazard came to Chelsea he has 55 league goals and Messi had 174 or 175, that is a factor of 3!
If u explain that with supporting cast then the difference between Clem ohameze and Marlon Brando was supporting cast and the difference between Aboutrika and Zidane was supporting cast.

Nihilist:
Of course, because Hazard has played alongside Golden Boot winners, like Nani and Messi.

No two teams are exactly the same and no two supporting casts are exactly the same.

However the difference between Messi and every footballer not named Ronaldo can't be explained by just supporting cast. The gulf in class is greater than the gulf in supporting cast.
No supporting cast will make Hazard score over 70 club goals like Messi did in 2012 or so.
If that is it every Peter ndlovu and Ezekiel Alamu will claim it is lack of support that made them not score like pele or Romario.

It makes more sense to compare Hazard to Nani than Hazard with a possible GOAT.
The difference between Hazard and people like Nani, Nasri, Ben Arfa is mainly the mentality u people have been latching on.

The difference between all those guys ( including Hazard) and Messi is talent.

Nihilist:
Hazard is very similar to Messi. Very very similar. Forget story, if that boy is playing with attackers and midfielders that are on par with what Messi has a Barca, you will see it gidigba.

This dude created the most chances in the league 2 straight seasons in a row. Even now he's making more key passes per game than Messi. Forget story.

You think if Hazard had the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Benzema and Bale running around and occupying defenders, he won't ball gaga?

The fact that Mourinho setup his entire team around containing hazard tells you a lot. Hazard IS Chelsea's attack right now.

Hazard is not near Messi.
The difference of 30 goals a year between them is not due to mentality alone.
Hazard is like Messi the same way Davidson Ezinwa is like Usain Bolt