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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:31pm On Jan 29, 2015
dakingsman:
Ok apparently this Alpha Jet is New in Service
NAF has just received this month, 6 newly purchased Alpha jets with night fighting capabilities and precision guided missiles/bombs.

Nigeria now has many PGMs....air to surface guided weapons, we can sink South African navy Frigates with ease anytime day or night !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:26pm On Jan 29, 2015
mzilakazi:
[size=20]Top 10 of the best military academies in the world with internationally recognised degrees.[/size]


http://www.onlinecollege.org/10-most-prestigious-military-academies-in-the-world/
South African military officers fail academy exams and still get promoted. Reason why AU and UN puts SANDF under Tanzanian and Nigerian military commands in operations
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:20pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
There are no pirates in Mozambique - because we are there
With your one Frigate ? LOL

Reports say SAN chased pirates in Mozambique waters but your Soweto navy ship could not catch up with high speed pirates....that's why you arrested ZERO pirates.

Useless photomania navy grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:15pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
Do you even know what a trade deficit is?

Let me explain:

- they buy 1 thing from us
- we buy 2 things from them

We now have a trade deficit of 1.

It has nothing to do with what you are saying you troglodyte
Nice to see you admit South Africa imports more Chinese products than you are able to export to them. Visit Shoprite, it's full of made in China electronics and articles. China floods South Africa with what you call junk products, your people love it and buy it daily, that's how China forced South Africa into trade deficit by making you a dumping ground for made in Fong Kong grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:24pm On Jan 29, 2015
andrewza:
Whats her role?
Andrew did you see the stealth OPV NNS Centenary face to face in South African naval base yesterday?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:46pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
Did you even read the artical you just posted?

They are talking about China pushing our products off the shelves of other countries in sub-saharan African

Your incompetence is astounding
Nope, your own illiteracy is staggering grin grin

The article talks about Chinese products flooding into South Africa and killing your weaker economy, your people love to use made in China grin

I quote from the article :

3. Chinese‐South Africa Trade Flows
3.1 Growth and Structure of Chinese‐South Africa Trade

Trade between South Africa and China has grown dramatically since China joined the WTO in 2001.  

South African imports from China increased from less than $1.1 billion in 2001 to $14.2 billion in 2011.

Throughout the period, South Africa has run a trade deficit with China which tended to increase over time, as shown in Figure 1


Chinese products are now colonizing South African cities all over your country grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:34pm On Jan 29, 2015
andrewza:
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774 for 160+ million people?
Nope, some local governments have 50 police stations. Size of the local governents vary, some have 1 million people some have 10,000 people.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:11pm On Jan 29, 2015
FighterPilot:
Being partners does not mean we should patronise their products. Instead we've helped them in many projects.
About 80% of products in South African nation are made in China ! You are Chinese economic colony grin

https://www.uea.ac.uk/documents/439774/0/Edwards+Jenjkins+SALDRU.pdf/82f05bfc-bf8b-4af1-b843-bb522695c6d6
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:09pm On Jan 29, 2015
FighterPilot:
Nope, Nigeria does not keep records of anything.
Prove it !
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:08pm On Jan 29, 2015
andrewza:
Does Nigeria even keep proper record of murders, road deaths and rapes. He'll do you even have had many cars has us.
Google it, Nigeria keeps records, 774 police stations collect report from each of the 774 Local Governments including villages
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:06pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
It simply says taht South Africans were present

- it doesnt say SANDF
- it doesnt say in what capacity (students or instructors)
Nigerian military college, we instruct there !

Report says South African COIN operatives....your officers in charge of your COIN operations were trained by Nigerian army experts

Source clearly says :

A total of 103 counter insurgency operatives from Nigeria and nine other African countries have concluded a four-week intensive training on internal security.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:02pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
Taliban only controlls 4 districts out of 373
http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551

NATO won

Its time for the Afghan army to fight its own war
NATO is withdrawing with 50% of Afghanistan under Taliban control grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:59pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
We have 4 frigates for war
SAN has only one Frigates for war today
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:58pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
If they are undergoing duties related to their service how are they dead?

Nigeria has no missile armed frigates alive

Who has the strongest navy in sub-Saharan Africa?
This thread is STRONGEST MILITARY IN AFRICA....not sub sahara....So Egypt, Algeria, Morocco have the best 3 navies in Africa.

SAN cannot patrol and catch one single pirate in Mozambique, all your frigates and submarines are broken down except one each.

Strongest is relative, SAN cannot match NN in maritime security enforcement, nobody is shooting missiles at sea in the world today
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:54pm On Jan 29, 2015
FighterPilot:
Beware of China, it will suck your blood dry.
Yet you Southies boast here that South Africa is proudly a member of BRICS manufacturing nations along with the same China that you ridicule, means your BRICS group of 5 nations is a gathering of junk manufacturers grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:50pm On Jan 29, 2015
mzilakazi:
President Bush hired over 10 000 SA military experts.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/07/395047/-Bush-Hired-10-000-South-African-Apartheid-Mercenaries-For-Iraq
Your own source says US hired mercenaries from many countries, not only South Africa, and it includes mercenaries from Fiji and Colombia, if a tiny Fiji Island Nation is ranked along with South Africa....Yiu should bury your head in the sand of shame grin grin


"US tax dollars aren't just going to South AFrican killers. They're going to mercenaries from Fiji, Nepal, Colombia and who knows where else.

Indeed, While Fiji, Nepal, Colombia and other nations supply large contingents of guards to the U.S. war effort somewhat openly"
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:37pm On Jan 29, 2015
mzilakazi:
Dummy!!! what do you understand about clandestine operations? Of course should they ever come out about it they would be compromising security of their mercenaries. However, Olukulade made a mistake by admitting that they receive help from foreign countries.
Nigeria just signed new COIN training agreement with Russia and China, NOT South Africa tongue tongue

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/terrorism-1200-nigerian-security-personnel-leave-russia/
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:34pm On Jan 29, 2015
DieVluit:
Dude you can't talk about people being murdered in SA if water shortages have killed more people than BH in Nigeria.
Nigerians have clean bore holes for water, and every LGA has water tap pumps for public use. Very few die from water drinking issues.

You want to insult Nigeria, but your own South Africa is a shiiit hole of premature death per minute per minute !

Death is cheap and for free in South Africa, not only murder, even driving on South African roads is the way to an early grave, Christmas season just last month over 1,300 Southies died in 30 days driving on your death trap roads grin grin


1,376 die on SA roads over festive season

2014-01-09


Pretoria - A total of 1,376 people were killed on South Africa's roads during the festive season, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said in Pretoria on Thursday.

She was releasing the preliminary festive season road death statistics for the period 1 December 2013 to 7 January 2014.

"For the period under review, there were 1 147 crashes nationally with 1 376 fatalities (Deaths)," she said

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/1-276-die-on-SA-roads-over-festive-season-20140109
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:19pm On Jan 29, 2015
patches689:
Nigerian army confirms it - see the part i have boldened
Did he say South African ex-recces ? No !

For many years now, Nigerian army trains in COIN war with Israel and Pakistan, and newly Russia and China.

Show us where the Nigerian army official mentioned the name of anything South Africa, show us !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:18pm On Jan 29, 2015
mzilakazi:
Nigerian troops are trained by the elites who trained US special forces, teaching them how to survive on harsh conditions. The mighty SA special force brigade.


http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/special-forces-survival-training.html


@agaugust just bury your head on the sand.
No, you should bury your whole body in the sand !

Your story is denied, but this other own story is confirmed and South Africa is NOT denying it.....


[size=16pt]Nigerian Army Trains Current South African Officers In COIN war combat ![/size]



Jaji (Kaduna), NIGERIA - A total of 103 counter insurgency operatives from Nigeria and nine other African countries have concluded a four-week intensive training on internal security.


Graduation of Basic Counter-Terrorism Course for soldiers of the 70th Regular intake in Jaji

The training, which was held at the Armed Forces Command and Staff College, Jaji, Kaduna State, drew participants from 11 agencies and organisations, as well as Senior Course 36 of the college. Other participants were from South Africa ,Togo, Cameroon, Gambia, Burkina Faso, Benin Republic, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Ghana.


The Commandant of the college, Air Vice Marshal John Ifemije, said on Friday at the close of the training that it was meant to enhance the preparedness of the personnel in confronting internal security challenges. He noted that "dealing with complex security challenges these days goes beyond the conventional techniques.


Ifemije urged the participants to use the knowledge gained from the training to strengthen inter agency cooperation, share information and intelligence, adhere to rules of engagement and to seek for the intervention of the military whenever necessary. The commandant commended them on their conduct throughout the exercise and urged them to remain committed to their responsibilities.


Earlier, the Director, Department of Joint Studies of the college, Brig-Gen. Benjamin Ahanato said the training code named 'EX HASKE BIYU,' was the participants to value "joint consultation, sharing of information and freedom of action."

He described the training as "a huge success," and urged them to use the knowledge gained to ensure peace and stability in Nigeria.

(NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA)

http://www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8196:college-trains-103-counter-insurgency-operatives-from-nigeria-9-other-countries&catid=48:political-news&Itemid=29

Nigeria trains South Africa alongside Togo Republic in COIN way in the same Nigerian Army College, students of SANDF + Togolese Army + Cameroon`s cowardly army that is begging Chad for help !


[size=16pt] GAME OVER !!! [/size]

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:02pm On Jan 29, 2015
mzilakazi:
[size=15]Ex South African troops are training Nigerian military.[/size]

http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201501281248.html/
Thiza:
FINALLY THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.....FORMER SOUTH AFRICAN SPECIAL FORCES ARE TRAINING THE SO CALLED BEST MILITARY POWER IN AFRICA.....WE HAVE BEEN SAYING SO FOR THE LASY 4 YEARS THAT NIGERIA IS NOTHING BUT A GIANT WITH CLAY FEET AND IT HAD TO BE PROVEN BY RAG TAG BOKO HARAM.

THE EX-RECCES ARE ALSO HELPING TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL FORCES BRIGADE OF THE NIGERIAN ARMY ALONG THE LINES OF THE SOUTH AFRICA....ALSO WITHIN THE GROUP ARE FORMER MEMBERS OF THE POLICE SPECIAL TASK FORCE WHO ARE HELPING TRAIN NIGERIAN POLICE ALONG THE LINES OF SOUTH AFRICA....

@augustus seems to be quite on this matter
mzilakazi:
Your Olukulade is telling lies as usual. SA intelligence has a list of names of ex soldiers who jetted out of the country to Nigeria.
So why is your own South African source not telling lies? SANDF has denied knowledge of it, and Nigerian army has denied knowledge of it tongue

"The SA National Defence Force on Monday said it was unaware of former South African soldiers being deployed to Nigeria to help destroy terrorist group Boko Haram.

"I do not know where Beeld gets this thing from. Ask them," SANDF spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini said.

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2015/01/27/sandf-unaware-of-soldiers-in-nigeria


"When contacted yesterday, the Nigeria Defence spokesman Major General Chris Olukolade said, "It is well known that terrorism being an international and trans/cross border menace calls for the involvement of all well meaning countries all over the world."

He added that: "In this case I'm only aware of partner countries whose activities have been mainly in the form exchange of ideas and support to ongoing training activities."

Olukolade also said: "The conduct of Nigeria's counter terrorism campaign remains exclusively an all Nigerian troops affairs. This is the much I know and can discuss."

http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201501281248.html/

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:36pm On Jan 29, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:
There are no foreign boots ... African, American, European, or Asian on the grounds here, whether national military or mercenary forces! That is a fact that your news agencies cannot twist! I am wondering what South Africa's fixation is with regards to Nigeria! cool cool cool Sad that while the NA is tasting military action and growing our COIN capabilities ... all you can show is well choreographed military photos?

I leave you with this ... from your source:

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When contacted yesterday, the Nigeria Defence spokesman Major General Chris Olukolade said, "It is well known that terrorism being an international and trans/cross border menace calls for the involvement of all well meaning countries all over the world."

He added that: "In this case I'm only aware of partner countries whose activities have been mainly in the form exchange of ideas and support to ongoing training activities."

Olukolade also said: "The conduct of Nigeria's counter terrorism campaign remains exclusively an all Nigerian troops affairs. This is the much I know and can discuss."



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http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201501281248.html/
Nigerian army alone is fighting Nigeria`s war !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:42pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Equipment malfunctions from time to time no reason to say that everything we make is garbage
Good to see you admit the Chinese drone is just like any other equipment that can malfunction, good to see you humbled grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:41pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Did armscore make the cannon?
The original cannon is manual, it never fires by itself, and never killed it's owner in world history as it never fires by itself.

AMSCOR made the automatic device to add on and change the cannon from manual to automatic, the automatic device was crappy bad faulty piece of junk, so it automatically turned the cannon and fired automatically and uncontrollably on it's own masters the SANDF and massacred all your Soldiers in broad day light....Chinese are better than you grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:34pm On Jan 29, 2015
FighterPilot:
Denel has a lot of killer drones confirmed, touched and even sold to unknown foreign customers. It is not just speculated if they have them or not. They are powerful and not scrappy like the Chinese drone which you falsely claim its ownership. Do you even think BH will ever get on their knees by the use of that scrappy drone. Surely the answer is NO.
#Show Us Armed Drone In SANDF Service tongue tongue
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:25pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Again, who says its your drone?
FighterPilot:
The source could not positively confirmed the scrappy drone belongs to Nigeria. Sorry!! Thats just a speculation, No confirmation.
Patchesagain:
There is zero proof to support your allegations
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Nigerian military has finally confirmed it.... Butt Hurt South Africans grin grin

SANDF is 20 years far behind NA and NAF in drone capability grin grin

SANDF is out-dated....and broke too grin grin


"Some drones and other sophisticated equipment have been deployed in the Northeast to curtail Boko Haram’s insurgency, The Nation learnt yesterday.

The acquisition of the drones is part of the new massive Nigerian military campaign to be launched soon against Boko Haram.

The source said the arrival of the hardware has boosted the morale of troops.

The source said: “The Nigerian military has deployed some drones and sophisticated hardware in the North-East in line with its timeline to end Boko Haram insurgency.

These drones will complement ongoing air and land strikes against some bases of the sect.

The simultaneous attacks on Monguno, Konduga and Maiduguri by Boko Haram insurgents were pre-emptive steps against the military by the sect.

With effective equipment, the insurgents were aware that the game is up and in annoyance, they decided to attack military installations and troops."

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/military-deploys-drones-battle-boko-haram/[/size]

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:17pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
And yes, Denel has them and operate them for the SANDF

If denel has it, we have it
DENEL is NOT an army.

DENEL is NOT = SANDF.

Same way DICON is NOT = Nigerian army.

No equipment inside a manufacturing company's warehouse is counted by military ranking sources as army arsenal equipment.

Only what you buy and pay for and put in arsenal somewhere is counted by sources like Global Firepower, Global Security, etc. No military source goes inside commercial manufacturing companies and count weapons in the laboratory or warehouse and add it to a nations army orbat arsenal, or else the USA, Russia, UK, China will have much more than what is listed for their military on Global Firepower rankings, there are hundreds of new weapons worldwide that Super Powers have developed in defence industries but not yet entered service in their armed forces arsenal.

All SANDF has is the catapult launched unarmed simple Vulture drone with 200 km range, Nigeria is far superior to you with our CH-3 drone with 2,400 km range plus 10km range guided missiles and 5km range guided bombs. SANDF is 20 years far behind NAF drone capability !

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sandf-to-receive-first-unmanned-air-vehicle-later-this-year-2004-03-26

SANDF has NO armed drone.....okay show me one armed drone in SANDF use with your soldiers tongue tongue
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:09pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Who said nigeria has armed drones??
Butt Hurt, we have what you don't have grin grin

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/whose-drone-just-crashed-in-nigeria-c8c55bdf3476
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Who said afghanistan is a loss?
The whole world sees and says it. Taliban still controls 50% of Afghanistan...USA/UK military disgraced now in retreat and withdrawal.

You don't claim victory when your enemy controls 50% of the land you were defending.
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:04pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
We just spent USD 20 million on overhauling a frigate - we can definitly afford to operate them

We are simply performing maintenance inline with international maritime standards (see germany for example)

And A109s are not grounded - if they were how would we send them on disaster releif operations in mozambique?
Your navy has ONLY ONE FRIGATE for war today. Finish and Klaar !
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:03pm On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
All 4 frigates are in service

They are simply undergoing overhaul and maintenance

And we have one more missile armed warship than you

Lel
SAN has only one Frigate alive. Others are dead grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
saengine:
Swiss-German produced Oerlikon 35mm anti aircraft gun. NOT manufactured in SA......thanks
The Swiss made the gun manual and it has never killed it's owner or operator in world history, South Africa now manufactured an automatic system and fixed it on the gun, that AMSCOR product is a faulty junk piece and it turned the gun on it's owners, killing and maiming many SANDF soldiers....South African made junk system killed South African soldiers....deal with your bad product tonguetongue

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838
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