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jl115:
Are you forgetting WW1,WW2,korean war, Border war(23years).

Show us proof of how many of those pilots from 1939-1993 are flying Gripen jets today in SAAF....Show us how many !
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jl115:
Yes buddy dont worry i found your source, just want to say there is a big difference between wanting somthing and actually acquiring it, ARMSCOR got the all clear and tender are released thus we will be getting OPVs.

SANDF tenders and even contracts get cancelled for lack of funds like A400M airbus aircraft that you desperately need but no money to buy.

Show us specs of the OPV you want to buy and show us the ghost companies that have responded to your cashless, penniless and Rand-less tenders.

Nigeria has also tendered for 10 stealth P18N from same manufacturers well known in China and Song Class submarine has been presented to us by the same manufacturer...

South Africans are here boasting about ghost OPVs, ghost manufacturers, ghost funding, ghost everything!
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jl115:
Show me proof that only 4 pilots flew at lion Effort.

Show me proof that all 8 pilots flew at Lion Effort.

jl115:
Citation.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......Citation...........!!!!!!!!!!...........Citation.....!!!!!!

Get the point?

You asked me for the same citation last week and I posted it here for you retaaard !

Source is from South African defenceweb publication
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jl115:
"combat sorties" we are not at war, why would we fly combat sorties?

Thanks for finally admitting that NAF has combat experience while SAAF has ZERO war experience !
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Patchesagain:
So, you have just been exposed for lying?

Look at the part in bold above above

look what you said below

Show me proof that SAAF had all 8 pilots fly in Lion Effort.

You had 4 jets single seaters with 4 seats for 4 pilots or your 8 pilote were seating on each others laps inside cockpit?

Show me proof that all 8 SAAF pilots flew in Lion Effort.

In that crowd SAAF has 4 pilots confirmed to have flown.

The other 4 are bench warmers
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jl115:
South African Navy: 25 Frigates, 10 Aircraft-carriers , 8 Submarines, 12 LHDs.

Source please!

My own source is taken from SA based defenceweb publication I posted here last week.

Show us your own source of 10 aircraft carriers !
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Patchesagain:
lynx max speed is 324km/h

you will need to fuse the shells manually

lynx will be bobing and weaving

so shells will never be fused properly

Thus you have to score a direct hit

on a target you cannot even see and which is far more maneuverable than an F-7

Plus, what happens if you are attacked from the rear of the vessel? Your vessel has a massive blind spot where the gun cannot fire

A simple Lynx can cripple your finest vessel.

South African Lynx have NO Mokopa missile you fraudster !
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jl115:
How accurate is that gun of yours at 13km trying to hit a moving target?

Radar controlled gun... American technology

Patchesagain:
7 Frigates

Deal. With. It

Naija navy....17 Frigates, 3 Submarines, 3 LPDs.

More than you can deal with
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jl115:
We might be getting as much as 8 new OPVs!!

Nigeria is buying 10 OPVs plus 4 existing OPVs = 14 OPVs add 300 existing IPVs and MPVs already existing in Nigerian navy, then South African navy becomes a tiny sardine fish while Naija navy is a huge Shark that will swallow all that Mandela laboured to build
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Patchesagain:
If SAAF is pathetic then NAF is non existant

[size=14pt]NAF flew 1,148 combat sorties in 2 months. Show us how many combat sorties SAAF has flown since 20 years ago !
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Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.


While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.


Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends .


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South African Air Force is dead o !!!

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Patchesagain:
I read your post

It showed nothing

Mokopa would send NNS thunder to the bottom of the ocean

Problem is that SAAF, SANDF and SAN have NO SINGLE Mokopa missile, that makes you a deranged maniac with dada overgrown hair kolomental
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rka1:


OPV = Offshore Patrol Vessel usually armed with medium and smaller calibre guns.

Corvette = missile armed escort vessel smaller in size to a Frigate.

Modern corvettes


Modern navies began a trend in the late 20th and early 21st centuries towards smaller, more manoeuvrable surface capability. Corvettes have a displacement between 540 and 3,000 long tons (550 and 3,050 t) and measure 180–420 ft (55–128 m) in length. They are usually armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons. Many can accommodate a small or medium antisubmarine warfare helicopter.

Most countries with coastlines can build corvette-sized ships, either as part of their commercial shipbuilding activities or in purpose-built yards, but the sensors, weapons, and other systems required for a surface combatant are more specialized and are around 60% of the total cost. These components are purchased on the international market.[3]

Bull's eye ! On target !
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Patchesagain:
It could easily do serious damage to your two USN cutters and a number of other vessels in the NN

First problem is NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have 13km range 76mm gun with rapid fire mode anti-aircraft, so before Lynx can launch Mokopa 10km away, NNS Thunder has struck the helicopter dead 13km away.

Second problem is that South African military have NO SINGLE Mokopa in service
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Patchesagain:
But you yourself said that the 76mm is not effective at engaging air targets

Hahahaha, you killed yourself!!

Bwahaha

The air target in that argument was F-7 jet with speed over 2,000 km/h but now the air target in this new argument is a snail slow Lynx helicopter with 280 km/h speed that even Racing cars in the Grand Prix can match !

You don't know that gun effect on air target depends on aircraft speed, so you k.illed y.ourself....Mumu Durango
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jl115:
You should really read your posts before actually posting them, all our pilots go through the same training, thus there are minimal differences between them.

I did read my posts for sure, I read it so much that I even made it into photo screenshots for Nairaland to see.

SAAF had only 4 Jet aircraft in Lion Effort, for the 4 capable good pilots, the other 4 pilots belong to the drum beating trumpet blowing supporters club bench warmers.

So your pilots are NOT the same class, 4 good, 4 crap = 8 Gripen pilots.

Go see Lion Effort profile pages of SAAF pilots and see how many of your 8 pilots have real life combat exerience since the day they were born, the counting will embarrass SAAF
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Patchesagain:
It says four South African Gripen, not four South African pilots

Learn
To
Read

LOL...I know Lion Effort page says you had 8 pilots, the good ones were 4, they had the lead with 4 Gripens only.

The other 4 are extras, bench warmer spare pilots in reserve at Lion Effort

LOL...at best you have 8 pilots for Gripen, the good ones are 4, the other 4 are crap.

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mzilakazi:
Now count these ones.

Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Gripen pilots from all over the world gather for Lion Effort in Sweden in 2012.

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

ALL South Africans are fraudsters !

Likely your SAAF has only 4 pilots today, the few good ones that went to Lion Effort, the ones at home are unqualified crap pilots

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Patchesagain:
I read your post

It showed nothing

Mokopa would send NNS thunder to the bottom of the ocean

NNS Thunder is an OPV, but with 76mm main gun having 13km effective range in rapid fire mode, your Helicopter and it's unlucky Mokopa are both sh.ot down 13km away....Mokopa max range is only 10km, so NNS Thunder kills it before launch...Get it? Yes you get it !
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Patchesagain:
So we are good.

Also: 7 Frigates

Really ?

Okay, NAF 100 Russian Su-30 Flankers with 100 anti-ship missiles
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Patchesagain:
Lol

The Gowind STILL weighs more

The Gowind STILL has longer range

Th Gowind STILL has better weapons systems

Why would I envy a gun boat when South Africa has 4 Stealth Frigates?

Are you dumb? Yes you are a dumb mofo !

I am comparing Gowind OPV and P18N OPV, then you are posting Gowind Corvette here, is Corvette same as OPV ? Mumu.

Then for corvettes there different Gowind sizes, there is 1,000 ton Gowind...


"The Gowind 1000 is a 1000 ton corvette which is well armed and fast. It is well-suited for protection, escort and embargo naval missions in a littoral environment. The Gowind 1000 can also perform presence, surveillance, intelligence and policing missions. It is armed with:

1 x OTO Melara 76mm main gun
2 x Nexter Narwhal 20mm cannon
8 x VLS for MBDA VL Mica surface-to-air missiles
4 x MBDA MM40 Exocet antiship missile launchers
1 x Integrated mast to integrate most sensors in a low observable design"

We are talking OPV here and the weaponry on Corvette differs from a dedicated OPV.

P18N was tested and debugged during sea trials to fire missiles in Light Frigate role, but as OPV no missiles are yet installed.

We are comparing real OPVs, so get your head checked....Mumu.

MikeCZAR:
Retired pilots in SAAF similar to the SF form the reserve.

Even Cameroon has retired pilots as reserve, and then...

MikeCZAR:
That's a Mokopa missile on a Super Lynx.

ATGM=Anti tank guided missile.

The Mokopa is not in that class.

So Mokopa is not an ATGM....what is it? Papa Ajasco
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MikeCZAR:
Prove Zimbabwe has test pilots.

Every standard air force has test pilots, their role includes flying potential procurement aircraft for evaluation.

MikeCZAR:
It is a Mokopa missile. Confirmed already.

Do you know what it means Igbo boy?

Show proof that it's Mokopa on the helicopter, and if so, go back and read what I said about ATGM is a delusional anti-ship role where the misssle is technically defective and the helicopter suicidal
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MikeCZAR:
In 2010 SAAF had 10 Gripen pilots.

Show proof.

Also count how many of your white pilots have run away to Australia.

Then count how many pilots have lost annual qualification due to drop in flying hours caused by lack of aviation fuel and inability to maintain Gripens in flying condition as a result of pocket ripping flight cost per hour.

SAAF is a dwarf struggling to play basketball
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MikeCZAR:
They are SAAF Gripens.

South Africa has test pilots, some of the reserves.

Even Zimbabwe has test pilots and reserve pilots. So what?

MikeCZAR:
Bwahahahaha the Mokopa is an anti-ship missile.

Do you know what it is means you yum eating Igbo boy?

Mokopa is an anti-tank missile....and SANDF/SAN/SAAF does NOT have it.

Any other aircraft launched anti-tank missile in this world like Mi-35 Hinds Ataka missile can be used as an improvised anti-ship missile, but only effective on very small boats because of the very small explosive TNT warhead and HEAT ordnance on such missiles, HEAT is not very effective against non-armour materials like sea vessels.

Also the Mokopa has NO sea skimming capability and has a very POOR 10km range for an anti-ship missile....you are just fascinated by a improvised inefffective land based missile, the slow speed of the helicopter and low ceiling will make it suicidal to use against a frigate that has SAMs and 76mm main gun with 15km range, even an OPV will blast the helicopter into pieces before it can get Mokopa into range of 10km.

Delusional Papa Ajasco in a fruitless frenzy, only pirates will fear Mokopa at sea

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Henry120:
Łucznik-Radom Firearms Factory [Fabryka Broni Łucznik-Radom] will supply a batch of 1000 Beryl M762 7,62 mm Carbines to the Nigerian Armed Forces. The weaponry is to be used, among other purposes, for counter-terrorism tasks and by soldiers taking part in peacekeeping operations.
Scope of the agreement implemented by the Radom-based company includes delivery of 1000 examples of the firearms, along with the maintenance kits and training bundle for the soldiers of the Nigerian Land Forces. The carbines are to be transferred to Nigeria in mid-January 2015.

At the moment, Nigerian Army soldiers participate in a training programme in Radom. The Łucznik facility press services stress the fact that the contract has been preceded with a series of successful test programme that checked the capabilities of the carbine.

Another contract is planned to be signed – this time a batch of 5000 Beryl carbines is to be delivered to Nigeria. The firearms which are the subject of the present contract will be used as a counter-terrorism measure. The weaponry will also be transferred to the peacekeeping forces.

In accordance with the information provided by the Łucznik company, this is the first time ever Beryl carbines have been sold outside the Polish Borders. President Tomasz Nita claims that “commercial activities, in country and abroad” are being realized, and the manufactured armament will be offered to other armed forces as well.

Powerful rifle, sights target 1,000m and effective fire 600m. Good choice for Nigerian army's new 5,000 man COIN brigade.

Nigeria is buying everything from new rifles to tanks to jet figthers to missiles to warships to satellites......meanwhile, our Southie friends are still window shopping with their pocket full of cowrie shells....no money o !

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Patchesagain:
yes cold air more dense than hot air

I like the way you improvise your white flag for surrender.

Is that your expensive Woolworths white pant you stripped off your butt and tied to an R4 rifle to make a flag ? Wow, it's white pant okay, but when did you last wash it?

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