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MikeCZAR:
Your source clearly says the SANDF deployed 265 members.

Again they're backing the policing and rangers, as they're there on their own mission.

The Kruger is almost the size of Israel with around 500-600 rangers to protect it.

But again poachers are not a threat.

In your case more than:

A. 3000 civilians have been killed.
B. 2 million displaced.
C. More 400 kidnapped.

About 100 Rhino poachers ruined South African military, rangers, SF, SAAF.

Nigeria is fighting about 30,000 Boko Haram fighters including suicide bombers hiding as ordinary civilians among millions of people.

Let's see South Africa face a huge threat from a huge force, and the show of shame will be worse than Seleka humiliation
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DieVluit:
The point is simple:

1. STATE

2. OF

3. EMERGENCY

One simple directive TO YOUR MILITARY: "defeat BH". Your military has tactical control and freedom.

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"Rhino has cost South Africa a financial loss of about R228 million with the 333 rhinos poached last year alone. These are the statistics according to the Wildlife and Environment Society of South Africa (WESSA); it is for this reason and the need to protect rhinos that the country is going all out to counter poachers.

The deployment of South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members at the Kruger National Park has brought confidence that rhino poaching can be extinguished. The SANDF deployed 265 soldiers at Kruger National Park and the borders around the park in March this year, following a plea for help by the South African National Parks (SanParks).

In an interview with Defence magazine, Colonel Nceba Bobelo, Officer Commanding for Joint Operations Tactical Headquaters in Mpumalanga, said “Operation Corona” was making a huge difference in the fight against poachers. The Army brought in its expertise to beef up a team of Park Rangers, which was overwhelmed by the by increasing killing of rhinos for their horns.

"We've got one Intelligence Tactical Regiment from Potchefstroom, which specialises in intelligence gathering. Special Forces and 21 Batallion, both in the park and on the borders," says Colonel Bobelo. The ground troops are supported by helicopters for a speedy chase of poachers. "The helicopters contribute a lot in terms of identifying areas where poachers are operating," he adds. Colone! Says that it became increasingly important to rope in the army when syndicates began using helicopters, night vision equipment and high-powered rifles in their expedition. The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), says Colonel Bobelo."

http://www.dod.mil.za/operations/poaching/rhino.htm[/size]
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[img]http://mpoverello.files./2012/10/rhino-poaching-statistics-october-2012.jpg?w=580&h=331[/img]

DieVluit:
Nowhere can you prove the 80 000 number and you cannot prove that the SA military has tactical control. But no proof is needed to know that Nigeria's entire military is deployed at home and notwithstanding budgetary and legislative support, it cannot stop BH. The US is not waging a war like Nigeria is inside the US. There are zero parallels.

In fact we shouldn't even be talking about the seizure of equipment, we should be talking about the seizure of people and land right under the noses of your soldiers. It doesn't get more pathetic than that, my friend.

SANDF has 80,000 men at arms on home-soil, they are useless and failures in their battle against Rhino hunters where you deployed them.

America and NATO super powers could not stop Islamic terrorists in 11 years of war in Afghanistan, Boko Haram is Islamic

Tired of arguing with a retaaard, good night.
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DieVluit:
Not as a military operation but:

The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), which has role players that include the South African Police Service (SAPS) and SANParks, assisted by the intelligence arms of both the SANDF and the Police. The team also includes the National Prosecuting Authority and magistrates. “We established the joint command centre where we could all meet and share information for planning purposes. The magistrates attend our meetings so that they can understand the important role they need to play in giving rhino poaching cases speedy attention” says Colonel Bobelo.

From your own source. Therefore, fact remains, the environmental affairs is responsible and the SANDF comes in as directed. But your military is solely responsible for BH. And the failure against BH is that of your military and your military alone.

Nope Boko war is fought by Nigerian police, SSS and military too, so what's your foolish point ?

DieVluit:
And the "thousands of Bokos" have also flushed you out of terrotory. 'Ongoing' as you say, because you can't end it. You are not capable of ending it. You do not have what it takes.

SANDF's however has the experience that has made records.

Nigeria's "experience" has not prevented its being freed of equipment, of territory, of "the girls".

You cannot compare a mission of a handful of special forces in a foreign land to that of an entire military fighting at home. Or should I say pretending to be fighting at home.

80,000 SANDF failed to beat local Rhino poachers inside South African homeland

Islamic terrorism, USA/NATO could not defeat them after 11 years war in Afghanistan
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DieVluit:
Rhino poaching has nothing to do with the military other than as directed. It is under environmental affairs.

But BH is squarely in your military's area responsibility. They are failing even with a state of emergency acting as a tailwind.

21 Battalion SANDF, SA special forces and SAAF were all deployed in Rhino war and failed, if they had succeeded, you won't say it's not a military affair, will you? Mere local Rhino hunters dribbled SANDF and SAAF around in your own homeland, I wonder what will happen if 20,000 terrorists operate and live inside South Africa like we have in Nigeria, Jacob Zuma would have been taken hostage for ransome

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"Rhino has cost South Africa a financial loss of about R228 million with the 333 rhinos poached last year alone. These are the statistics according to the Wildlife and Environment Society of South Africa (WESSA); it is for this reason and the need to protect rhinos that the country is going all out to counter poachers.

The deployment of South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members at the Kruger National Park has brought confidence that rhino poaching can be extinguished. The SANDF deployed 265 soldiers at Kruger National Park and the borders around the park in March this year, following a plea for help by the South African National Parks (SanParks).

In an interview with Defence magazine, Colonel Nceba Bobelo, Officer Commanding for Joint Operations Tactical Headquaters in Mpumalanga, said “Operation Corona” was making a huge difference in the fight against poachers. The Army brought in its expertise to beef up a team of Park Rangers, which was overwhelmed by the by increasing killing of rhinos for their horns.

"We've got one Intelligence Tactical Regiment from Potchefstroom, which specialises in intelligence gathering. Special Forces and 21 Batallion, both in the park and on the borders," says Colonel Bobelo. The ground troops are supported by helicopters for a speedy chase of poachers. "The helicopters contribute a lot in terms of identifying areas where poachers are operating," he adds. Colone! Says that it became increasingly important to rope in the army when syndicates began using helicopters, night vision equipment and high-powered rifles in their expedition. The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS), says Colonel Bobelo."

http://www.dod.mil.za/operations/poaching/rhino.htm[/size]
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DieVluit:
The force in the frontlines was very happily NOT comprised of 12 countries and yes, South Africa's footprint was quite telling in the battles. The record in the picture didn't 'just happen'. And this is one of the longest running peace-keeping missions in history, with SA having been there from the start.

Please, onto your list of battles, add the following:

"2012 - present, Nigeria against BH. NA frequently runs from enemy, has lost territory, loses equipment and has failed to bring back the girls."

The bolded is not your history, but your present. Who you are today. What you are. Or should I say, what you are not.

On going war, and we have k.illed thousands of Bokos and flushed them out of many cities they infiltrated, today we ruin all their armoured vehicles with impunity, the 200 girls are civilian hostages, no army in the world can rescue them without the girls getting killed, so we will smartly wait and decide.

Few weeks ago the great American special forces in Iraq tried to rescue a South African hostage, just 2 hostages and the hostages got killed.

SANDF has no experience so you would have rushed in to rescue 200 girls and they all get killed, right? Makes you a confirmed fool

Sniper record kill was only reported by South Africans , one propagande source, and one wikipedia entry made by same South Africans, show us proof from UN that commanded the operations. Ya got a fake sniper record kill
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DieVluit:
Who said it wasn't the first time?

No one did, Mr Strawman

The regular occurrence is the loss of your equipment to BH.

LOL you posted SEVERAL geckos? Really? How many? One? Two? Three?

Hm, against how many incidents of equipment seizure by BH? Or better yet, territory seizure? No, no, the seizure of girls and lately, villagers?

Hmmm?

By the by, Seleka men mustered the courage to come to Pretoria to grovel.

Rhino poachers have the courage and they invade Kruger park, defeat SANDF, SAAF, SA Special Forces, Rangers etc.

They kill your Rhinos and sell their horns, yet your 50 million fools called saffers cannot stop them, you hardly ever even catch them, hardly ever except a few.

50 million Southies on your knees begging Botswana to save you....500 Southie Rhinos removed to safe haven in Botswana
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DieVluit:
And you prove the "many fights against suicide bombers" by posting a story of a failed bombing at a checkpoint?

LOL, well picked, man. Proves my point nicely.

SANDF fighting? You mean like DRC? First mission of its kind in history? Now, why would I wanna do that to you? I mean, your military only has one job. One job IN NIGERIA....and yet...it fumbles.

UN mission is a global military force of over 12 countries including Europeans, it is NOT a South African only force, your last SANDF battle fighting alone was against your life masters Seleka and you ran away

Nigerian war time-line is constant wars for the past 20 years.

1990s Liberia/Sierra Leione
2000s Dafur Sudan, Niger Delta, Boko Haram.

We have never had a rest from war, home or abroad.

Your pea sized head cannot do simple google search and find many suicide attacks on Nigerian army, I posted one, here is another for your COWARDLY nation of South Africa to learn from....nation of genetic cowards

http://www.voanews.com/content/explosion-kills-at-least-three-outside-nigerian-barracks/1932251.html
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DieVluit:
It CANNOT be the same reason if the US is fighting in other people's countries.

You argued that Nigeria is light years ahead of BH, so their being "well armed" is not an excuse.

Could it be that you are cowards and ragtag too LOL?

NA has not faced up to suicide bombers, some of whom are young girls and not fighters - so, miss us with that, fam. It's a very simple message. Don't pretend to be confused by it. No need to mic check. It's clear.

Nigerian army has been attacked by so many suicide bombers that we cannot count.

Rather it is SANDF that has NEVER tasted real COIN war of suicide bombing done on your own homeland by your own innocent looking girls that can never be detected until they strike.

SANDF will be in Nigeria for COIN training soon, we are masters of South Africa anytime !

See Nigerian army in action against suicide bombers just few days ago....

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news/news-headlines/item/25139-failed-suicide-bombing-at-bajoga-military-checkpoint

Now show us war SANDF is fighting, your army is NOT even qualified to talk when Nigerian army talks, you fight no war !

NA and SANDF are not in the same category, you have ZERO war experience !

You just make photos for demo and acting
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DieVluit:
LOL "A mere speedboat that even civilians have". But the Toyota Hiluxes that are the mainstay of your boys are also something that even civilians have.

It's not about the value or scarcity of the equipment, it's about the act of your boys being stripped of their equipment on the regular.

Regular ? No, that was first time in history of Nigeria that soldiers were murdered on river patrol and their boat stolen.

As for Boko Haram, war is war, you lose men and equipment, you go back to find the equipment and destroy it then k.ill all those enemy fighters who stole it, that is a good army, that is Nigerian army, your South African army is NOT able to do that !

My posting of several SANDF Gecko vehicles on internet being controlled by Seleka that snatched them from you, should be enough for your Hollywood photomania army to go back to Bangui and destroy those vehicles, but 50 million South Africans CANNOT muster enough courage to do it o !

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mzilakazi:
Seleka cried like babies.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/03/31/we-were-killing-kids-1


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-shot-children-20130331

This man does not look like a crying baby o !

Dis Seleka man na champion !
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MikeCZAR:
Pirates have your vessel.

BH has your APCs and tanks.

Not in a war zone, pirates murdered 3 soldiers in cold blood and took of in their boat, a mere speed boat that even civilians have.

BH has his own tanks, we crushed them all.

Now tell SANDF to go to Bangui and crush one single Seleka Toyota Hilux if you dare, nation of Bantu genetic COWARDS !
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mzilakazi:
Nope, SA and Nigeria had equal forex of $50 billion each. All of that has now shrunk to less than $40 billion in a short space of time. SA foreign debt has now shrunk to a greater extent.


http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=58114

South Africa's debt is still $40 billion huge dollars
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MikeCZAR:
Tell us where in Bangui.

Here....http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/sa-troops-base-of-death-1.1492385
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DieVluit:
How do you know BH has no MRAP? It's not like they keep an inventory for you to inspect?

All we know is that BH has routinely seized your equipment.

All we see are photos proving Nigeria has routinely destroyed Boko APCs and Tanks
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mzilakazi:
BH has seized more valuable military equipment from Nigerian armed forces and parade them with impunity on many of their videos.

99% of those equipment now destroyed, show me a December 2014 Boko video with Shilka or T-55 !
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mzilakazi:
Chief, Nigeria's forex was a whopping $50 billion and it now fell to $38 billion in a short period of time.

Nope, from $42 billion to $38 billion.

That's what reserves are meant for, savings for the time of need.

South Africa has $40 billion debt and $40 billion reserves, in an emergency, SA will be in trouble, touch your reserves and your debt becomes bigger than your savings, bad bad for credit rating and economic contingency needs
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DieVluit:
Here is your reality check:

1. Nigeria is a frontier market.

2. Nissan nigeria reports to nissan SA. Nigeria's auto industry was set up with the help of SA.

3. SA has more refining capacity than nigeria.

4. Nigeria's stock market is only a fraction of SA's in value.

Reality check bra. Stop dreaming.

Before Nissan came to Nigeria, Innoson automobiles were already big and producing in Nigeria.

Nissan is running away from bad business in South Africa as your lazy yet greedy workers keep going on strike asking for more more money without better productivity input, thus frustrated Nissan bogged with heavy losses in profit, Nissan slowly exits South Africa to a better market Nigeria.

BTWN, Nissan is Japanese owned NOT South African, both of us are just overseas branches controlled from Tokyo.

Nigerian auto market has Innoson, Peugeot, Volkswagen, all with industrial production plants, Nissan is a late comer and is A JAPANESE OWNED COMPANY !
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patches689:
or what about the illiterate boko haram that have captured APC's and brand new MRAPs from you?

Boko Haram has no MRAP that I know of.

Nigeria has destroyed almost all Boko Haram APCs, Shilka AAAs, T-55 Tank, etc.

The very first APC in your photo list is the same one I posted below, now destroyed by the mighty Nigerian army, pacesetters of Africa, giant that sets examples for other armies to follow.....SANDF try now, try and copy that power display today !

Behold, see Nigerian soldiers collect Mowag APC from Boko Haram, Shekau II personal APC, we flushed him out of his APC, he ran, we pursued, we k.illed him, we ride his APC, we make photos with them, like Seleka makes photos with equipment of SANDF that Mandela suffered for 27 years to provide for you

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patches689:
Yes, our Purchasing Power Parity is far superior to japans - meaning we have a more powerfull and capable currency
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PA.NUS.PPP

Japan maintains an inflated currency in order to controll their massive government debt

Find a local forum in Soweto slums to preach sermon to your illiterates that South African economy is better than economy of Japan
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Centrifude:
Dude the U.S has Already cut oil trade with Nigeria, the oil price is almost half of what it was in September and Nigerias Oil accounts for more than 70% of you GDP which means that you are not going to stay in the number one spot for long, we said it before your economy is very unstable let's just wait and see what the drop in Oil prices in going to do to you.

We managed to stop our economy from falling into a recession even while we had crippling strikes throughout our mining and metal industries.

China is demanding for more Nigerian oil.
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DieVluit:
Wannabe accountant

In Nigeria's case, the fall of the Naira meant the depletion of your foreign reserves in an attempt to save it. Close to $30 bn was spent trying to save the Naira and in the end that didn't help. Your depleted foreign reserves is a great injury to an economy that knows only importation in the main. The fall of the Naira also meant that your rebased GDP has lost upwards of $ 40 bn in value.

The weakness of the Naira means that the cash in the hands of every Nigerian will buy less. You do know that "cash is a store of value", don't you? Well, you cash stores less value today.

My friend, all these things and more spell weakness.

Your question about Japan shows how much of a simpleton you are. If you really were educated in 'these things', you wouldn't even have asked it. Japan has the fundamentals. Nigeria does not, which is why I speak only about Nigeria and not Japan or anyone else. The fall of the Naira has exposed the weaknesses of the Nigerian economy. Not that we didn't know about them anyway. http://businessdayonline.com/2014/12/oil-price-crisis-exposes-failure-of-nigerias-economy-managers/

Nigeria has NOT spent $30 billion to save the naira, do you know how big $30 billion is? It's bigger than the whole economy of many African countries.

Nigeria is a peculiar country, we have 3 different foreign reserve accounts in dollars.

1. Excess crude oil account, that was depleted to buffer the naira
2. Sovereign wealth account
3. Foreign reserve account (Universal type) was $40 billion about a year ago, still stands at $38 billion last month.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/foreign-reserve-now-38bn-okonjo-iweala/

Nigeria is not South Africa.

Also, as an accountant with better knowledge of economics than you do, I can technically say that national currencies of any country in the world can swing up and down, doe not change the status of the country as long as it's other micro and macro economic fundamentals remain strong.

All you pick on is one fundamental, there are 4 main indices to measure an economy;

Interest rate
Exchange rate
Growth rate
Inflation rate

Backed up by other factors;

Debt ratio
Dollar reserves
CPI
International agency ratings

Boy, you don't know Macro-Economics, you see less than a one-eyed man
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mzilakazi:
I fail to understand how could BH ever write a letter to the pres to conscentize him about the deteriorating standard of the military equipments. Don't you think BH would be troubling a sleeping dog by making it aware that it is sleeping. Your accusations do not make sense at all.


http://www.naij.com/348712-army-commander-author-of-scandalous-letter-threatened.html

and I can bring I. many more.

You need to bring up Lt.Col Wende himself because the man said he did not write the letter. That ruins all your sources and claims !
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mzilakazi:

Nah!! those geckos as well as other pick up tracks belong to CAR government. They were all imported and paid for by the CAR government. SA government is not a Santa Claus where every equipment will just be taken away to other countries without being paid for in advance. Just ask UN.

Citation needed for the purchase order
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DieVluit:
But what is the value of the Naira against the RAND? Let alone the Dollar?

Currency value does not show which economy is stronger, 1 SA Rand = 10 Japanese Yen.

Does that make South African economy 10 times stronger than Japan's economy? Olodo !
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mzilakazi:
Nah!! remember the poor colonel was forced to denounced the letter or else face the military court or tribunal with the results of being sentenced to death.

Citation needed, mumu !
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mzilakazi:
If you would have known how bitterly we whisked the buttocks of your worshipped heroes in the name of Seleka.

You mean like this.....?
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MikeCZAR:
Yes, they held a parade.

Seleka couldn't defeat a small force of around 200 soldiers.

Yet it was your 250 SANDF soldiers that beat Usain Bolt in a race to the airport to beg French army for protection

Patchesagain:
Nigeria has no jf17s

Done deal, NAF is scooping up 25 to 40 JF-17 Thunders to wreck the entire SAAF in one day

https://lahoreworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/JF-17-COCKPIT.jpg
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FighterPilot:
LT COL A Wende to be court marshalled if he does not
denounce the letter in which he exposed corrupt elements within the military. The whistle blower is being accused of writing an open letter to Pres Jonathan detailing the lack of equipments and corruption as a factor for not defeating BH.



http://saharareporters.com/2014/12/23/why-we-cant-defeat-boko-haram-army-commander-and-family-threatened-over-letter-jonathan

If y.ou ever d.ie prematurely, it's either due to your professional incompetence or love for rumour mongering and false information, mister @FighterPilot :

"Men of the 7 Division Nigerian Army who were battling with the scourge of Boko Haram in Maiduguri and other affected states Thursday exonerated the Commanding Officer of the 103 Battalion, Lt. Col Anthony Wende over a purported petition written to President Goodluck Jonathan on the counter insurgency operations in the North East.

The petition was carefully studied and investigated by the Nigerian Army and as part of this process; forensic analysis by relevant security agencies was carried out. It was discovered that the allegations were spurious and baseless as the commanding officer had nothing to do with the petition. He is therefore been exonerated,” the army spokesman said.

Col. Usman revaled that petition was aimed distracting the army from its fight against terrorism in the country.
“We wish to categorically state that the petition is the handwork of mischief-makers aimed at distracting 7 Division and indeed the Nigerian Army from its determined efforts at fighting insurgency and terrorism in this nation to a logical and successful conclusion."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/military-exonerates-col-wende-purported-petition-written-jonathan/
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mzilakazi:
I said let's talk after 25 years because the fighter itself it is just as well a prototype.

Nigeria has zero junk fighter.

Yes bro you are very right, Nigeria has Zero Junk Fighter, what we have is JF-17 Thunder....devastating thunder !

Bwahahaha

Same way you fooooools of Soweto said Nigeria has no T-72 tanks and will only buy Scorpion jet....You Saffers are ALWAYS wrong on these

Beegeagle's Blog has claimed Nigeria has T-72 tanks as far back he published it in year 2012, and even said it been long in our arsenal, you mumus called him unreliable source !

Now who is the goof ? Beegeagle or you guys? You of course...goofy Sowteo ogres, see dem ugly bantu faces like Shrek

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