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Msauza: What part of the world do you live, supposedly the air around the atmosphere of that area is full of arichnine that give you a lot of these hallucinations. Link us with a proof and don't tell us manufacturing armoured vehicles is also a secret.

snydergp: Oil is no longer as profitable for Nigeria because there are many new far more stable producers like Ghana and Angola who is set to overtake you as the biggest producer in Africa in 5 years time even US are importing less from nigeria and will become self reliant in 2017

andrewza: it was a test round and done at test in the middel east. it was just a test round. trying to find a artical on it.

snydergp: Oil is no longer as profitable for Nigeria because there are many new far more stable producers like Ghana and Angola who is set to overtake ou as the biggest producer in Africa in 5 years time even US are importing less from nigeria and will become self reliant by 2017.

andrewza: The G6 has a longer range (up to 100km with the new rounds), faster road speed and off road speed, higher fire rate, and far greater protection.

The most the reciol would do is increase mintence but did you take in to account the weight and suspension allong with recioldampners in your conclussion because I have not heard of the recoil being a problem for the G6.52

snydergp: Compare the bofors vs G6-52Rhino specs and then u come and talk nonsense, and by the way the bofors is a BAE systems artillery system not a holy Swedish product and its a commercial truck chassis not on a purpose built chassis like the G6 which can with stand anti-tank missile fire and 360% degree 14.64mm direct attack armour piercing guns including anti-tank landmines due to its V-lap hull. No compare that to the Bofors archer which has less range can only fire in a 180 degree angle, has less projectile firing rate and no self defense against tanks or anti-tank missiles.

Stop making yourself a fool you know nothing first check the specifications on a weapon before you try and raise points.

snydergp: The Palmaria is outdated 1980's artillery which has been fazed out in many of its users like Brazil, Argentina and Italy and not even a match for the G5 105m or 155 howziter not even taking into account the G6-52 or the G7 still under development.

Not even the Bofor archer can compete with the G6 with regards to range, mobility, rate of fire, self defense capability and operational range so please get your facts straight because there's nothing in the class of the G6-52 currently.

south africans if you have time to waste continue to argue about defence budget, there is enough common sense for a Phd degree holder to see in what i wrote about the difference between nigerian and south african government accounting systems. leave nigeria alone to spend her money the way she likes. face your own south african domestic problems.

after i talk sense, i keep quiet so that i will not begin to talk non-sense.

andrewza: It a good gun but dose not beat the G652 and 60km was acheived with speciol rounds are they part of the deal.

agaugust: Budget Argument - Nigeria Vs South Africa

there is need to just close this issue over-flogged

both countries have a different public sector accounting and funding laws and regulations, as well as fiscal and monetary policies being very different.

the south africans need to understand that nigeria spends its money in a different way both for budgets and contingencies (emergency/unexpected crisis/events)

we have several types of nigerian government accounts where we keep money. the federation account and the consolidated revenue funds are the main government sector accounts in nigeria.

however, we have several special accounts for keeping surplus funds usually cash dollars from oil and gas sales.

one is the excess crude oil sales account. another is the new dedicated account as a future reserve fund for a percentage of all nigerian oil sales. both accounts contain billions of dollars and keep growing daily, the more oil we sell, the more they grow fat.

nigeria has a defence budget approved every year, true, but there is a provision in nigerian constitution which empowers the president to request senate approval for the disbursement for extra funds beyond the budget, from any of the special accounts in case of emergency defence or security needs.

my problem with all the south africans on this forum is that they think only in one straight line, maybe thats the way south africans are trained to think...but it wont help them go very far. no insult intended, this is a black man's advice to fellow black men. i discovered this thinking pattern in them when we argue about military weapons, south african thinking is not flexible and hardly thinks outside the box. also, they dont flow well with complex issues.

the use of these special funds makes the budget for defence to be just the basic minimum amount to spend. the special accounts can be used until exhausted without any limit once the executive and legislature agree and approve the extra spending.

this happened in the first term of ex-president obasanjo who got the senate to approve extra half a billion dollars as first installment cash for preparing nigerian military equipment for war in the bakassi peninsula, it took only one day to get approval for this extra spending outside the budget from the reserve account.

current dollar reserve account of nigeria is about $50 billion. this is different and separate from the dedicated future reserve account from daily oil sales.

nigerian defence budget has been supported again during the current jonathan era for over a billion dollars used for urgent security and defense issues. details are not revealed because nigerian law allows a level of secrecy because national security is involved in the use of those funds.

please south africans find something else to argue about and leave nigeria's budget alone, you are not technically competent to teach us how to spend our money, nigeria's minister for finance is a vice-president of the world bank with her Phd degree and she has one of the best financial brains in the world

Msauza: Is been 20years now since the ANC has taken over, yet there is so much to be done and tell me how the hell will Nigeria ever achieve all that in 7-10years with a population of approximately 170 million. How will the government of Nigeria provide every household with clean running tap water, sewage system, 24hrs power supply and above it with free housing and grants to the poor. Will all that be a possibility in 7 years? Oh no, heaven kno

andrewza: Why would you desghine a version if you producing a liscenent version. Nigeria dose have the need to replace a larger number of there curreny artie sytems.
The motar is a basic infantry wepaon.
The F7 is very simpily air craft.


The F7 is a poor choice, for a test bed on a light trainer/light attack air craft. Both russia, china and a number of others produce better platforms. And you would still need a lot of out side technical aide.
Both india and china did a lot of dealls with westtern countries. China even bought a old brit carrier. Isreal buys then builds amrican sytems. It not that they won't let you. They just charge a lot more.

India uses SLBMs not ICBMs. Just so people don't worry about Nigeria build ICBMs. SLBM are just ultra long rang artliary.

You still got some way to go. Nigeria is mainaly building coppies or modfied coppies of other countrys sytems. And still imports a lot of advance componts. And you spend very littil on RnD.
Your nation budget is still still 3-4 times lower than South africas national budgeteven though how population is 55million compard to nigerias 170million. You still a lot to do.

Henry120: For the proforce armoured cars above, specifically the second photo, there is usually a hatch open on top of the car and a GPMG or a 12.7HMG mounted and a shield constructed to protect the soldier from enemy fire (just like in the otokar cobra).

andrewza: According to your own 2013 budget report it comes out around 3 billion USD.

Has said before we underfunded. But the budget has increased.

The big problem is we got a lot more ops going than the money covers. This takes money other areas. These are non opertaniol side so training(training is part of ops) and actual missions are not affected niether is personal. What is affect is maitnaince. Now maintaince is not just milltary equment but everthing from printers(and some are massive) and fax machines to civlian standard cars all the way to drills and chipping hammars. Personealy I have seen no change and it hard to see why. The SANDF total permant force size is not inceasing so all extra money can go towards areas that are underfunded.

If they where built local there is a high chance of it staying secruit. DIXCON has no need to report what they don't import.


SA all so have tones of wepaons in storage such has alleot helcopter, up to 1000 AML armourd cars extra extra. It nothing speciol.

agaugust: Capnd143 you too good, omo you too good, na kampe you dey, 3 gbosa for you, gbosa gbosa, gbosa !!! henry,souldust,sheyie,solomom una dey house? abeg come look sometin o !

i have gone through this very fantastic website of military budgets and weapons of countries, its very much detailed and the best website in that category i have ever seen. lots of nigerian latest military information i could not get here in america, it would so much help me in my job as a research support staff in a private military consultanvy company here in the USA.

it even reveals nigerian military bases and their order of battle, all military formations nationwide and some of their functions, plus our military forces history in summary.


the website reveals so many new nigerian army armoured vehicles with missiles for anti-tank and anti-aircraft defence, new powerful air superiority jet fighters for nigerian air force to match Grippen and SU-27 jets. there are also other websites listing the the many new nigerian navy stealth warships fast attack crafts and light frigates armed with missiles and ant-submarine helicopters coming in from china, singapore/australia...

oh boy ! nigerian military will K.ill south african military fianlly. see photos of new coming nigerian air force type of jet fighters below

the weblink is below for anyone to read and update their knowledge of the brand new nigerian military weapons, new age weapons, mostly with the latest modern technology of year 2006 to 2012.


CLICK WEB-LINK SOURCE BELOW :


http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/index.php?showtopic=11820




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Capnd143: hahahahagahagagagaga! Why would i temper/inflate figures when anyone can access it via internet! Including you! I would have asked you to visit Nigerian department of state defense website bt since you are a non-nigerian your ip wil be denied aces to the budget! Try using http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/ar/t11786.htm

andrewza: I post both South africas and nigerias deffesnse budget some post ago's.

Rounded of
Nigeria was over 3 billion USD
SA was over 5 billion USD and with a much smaller deffense force the per capter expedture is much much higher for SA

SA total budget for 2013 is 3 to 4 times larger than Nigeria. And since SA popultion is 55 million with mayber 10 million forghners compared to 170 million nigerians in nigeria.

snydergp: I gave the source before and you deliberately chose not to read it yet you want a answer here is the weblink the submarinme and the exercise
http://www.saaiforce.co.za/news/and-events/1083/sa-truiphs-during-joint-sagerman-naval-exercises.

Now stop the FOOLISHNESS

Henry120: It gets derailed to easily because you and your compatriots are always hell bent on painting nigeria black. We as nigerians would not stand for that.

No hatred on the nigerian side, as it is usually syndergp and msuaza both of whom are your country men who have continued to show their xenophobic traits on this thread, and we nigerians would definitely not take that lying down. There is nothing wrong in been patriotic and we have not peddled any form of mis information as we always provide links and photos to prove you guys wrong.

andrewza: What do you mean quoate a source. I gave the infomation. SANDF dose not publises there ops. I know the sub was at sea because I watched it sail, I know the ship was in south amrica because it was a large exersize.

I am on my cell phone. Do you know how hard it is to find sources.
I have not changed I am just getting frustaited.