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@edoyad

I haven't forgotten it. Here's your diploma.

@jabbok and @klarry79

Should this mean the culprit isn't fought, but the afterwards best to one runs through the way? How can this be?

@mama-gee

How can you say this so generalised? Got lost black sheeps you will find everywhere, also among Christians.
Christians have murdered in the past countlessly, for religious reason as well as for material reason.

@ikeyman

suya, e-e? Funnily, in the Balkans they are all still alive.
There they call it Schaschlik, indeed, easily modified, , however, make a mess tasty!  

@H2O2

In the kind of your answer, I also doubt your ability.

@edoyad

I thank you very much. I know, it isn't easy, but I am sure you are able to do this.  
I would be glad really very much about more information.

@ezeagu

Good answer!

@Fhemmmy

Has there never been common sense, or has he got lost sometime?

@kosovo

To understand this I must still learn. 

@all

You are dear, many thanks for your quick answers!   
I hope, these become even more.



Indeed, now I still have much more questions with which I would like to pester you. 

!. Which region is the poorest and why? Who lives in this region primarily?

2. What are the strengths and weaknesses of any single tribe? Please, without insults, but essentially and objectively.

3. Is there a tribe which gets by with all others equally well, or better said, which keeps away from all and is neutral?

4. @edoyad, 40% of unemployment, you mean with it in completely Nigeria or only one certain region?

5. So much I know, the office of the president should be taken in change by a Christian candidate and an Islamic candidate.
    a) has this always functioned up to now?
    b) does have the other religious group thereby disadvantages?

6. The first years after hour "zero", how they were?
    Since when it started to run crooked in Nigeria?

uupps,  I think here I will stop first. 

Dear Nairalanders

Some poster are of the opinion that religious tolerance doesn't function in Nigeria. 
I really would like to understand it.
And thus I hope that you Nairalander will explain it for me. 
I would be really very grateful.

tunku:
This has all been rather illuminating. Although I would advise our German comrades to refrain from further posting in this section since they've made it explicitly clear that they are not familiar with the situation on the ground and that their broad over generalization and western model of "religious" tolerance doesn't really apply in this case. RSA, if you don't want to hear crap about South Africa don't sign up for and post in a forum called Nairaland; If South Africa gets taken to task for its own forms of barbarism then rightly so.Finally to the issue at hand. It is abundantly clear that rhyme and reason doesn't rule the day.The long standing issues, whatever they are has never been resolved. But we should not absolve religion or indeed Islam of this. Is Lagos not the most cosmopolitan city in all of Nigeria? Do not people from every ethnicity, language group, and religion work side by side, live side by side, and play side by side in this city? How come pogroms like these haven't flared up in Lagos? Oyo, Ondo, Abia, and Imo? Why is it then that in states where there is a significant muslim population, but not just a muslim population of any extraction, specifically of the Hausa-Fulani kind, what makes them so ripe for these glorious explosion of murderous riots? Do not mend and the people of the Delta have as equal a right to kill every non-indigene they see in their land? but whatever you call their activity, they haven't resulted to violence at this scale. I take heart that the SouthWest and the South in general is very insulated against these vampires.

@tunku

Though you have spoken in majority, however, I believe you have meant particularly me.
You are right, I don't know yet enough about Nigeria, but I learn and would like to understand.
That's why I am here. People learn by exchange of thoughts and opinions. Only if I know my
opponent, I can understand him. Up to here you will certainly agree with me.

Even if I think that I mustn't explain the definition of tolerance to you, I would still like to mention
it.Tolerance means admit and accept more different convictions, opinions and customs and also
recognition of equal rights of different individuals.

tunku, you wander if you speak from western model of "religious" tolerance. The first, in
writing held on tolerance act in the history is the tolerance edict of Kyros from the year 538 B.C.
It permitted the homecoming of the Israelite from Babylonian exile.
Another example is the tolerance edict of Galerius in the year 313. It marks the end of the
persecutions of Christians in the Roman empire.

I have found out personally this tolerance in the beginning of the 80's when I lived 4 years in
the native country of my husband. A region far in the east of Turkey, near the
Iranian border with deeply religious Muslims.

So why should this not be possible here? I really would like to understand it.
And thus I hope that you Nairalander will explain it for me in thread I will open.
I would be really very grateful.

@citizenY

Your post:
Some people are born again on the other side of the fence. Whatever the case may be after all the vitriol,
we must sit down and discuss. We might as well start by listening to each other and supporting one another
to overcome our shortcomings. Take it or leave it, we have nowhere else to go. We have reached the wall.
I see all these comments on all sides of the divide as an opportunity to let off steam and it is good for the
psyche. For now everyone should feel free to take sides. It is a season of anomie. And it will pass. We should
not inflame passions unnecessarily and drive people into their kraals.

Meanwhile the problem in Jos is very complex as it is a clash of religion and peoples and it is not easy to draw a
line between what is religious and what is cultural as the antagonists are always playing both cards at the same time
to defend their positions. A dispassionate appraisal of the crisis may be very difficult but it must be done. Whether a
political, economic or solution ior an interplay of all of them is required must be explored by everyone. It will be foolhardy
to expect the solution to come from the state or federal government as it is now evident that they have failed. They cannot
get the warring parties to even meet at table and they have also been accused of either taking sides or not rising to the occasion.
The evidence is illustrated by the inconclusive nature of previous investigation and lack of prosecution of suspected culprits.

Honestly, I do not know the way out but could there be a solution by civil society groups on both sides of the divide?


citizenY, well and true spoken. I am totally of your opinion. I wished only it would give more people who think so.

@tpia


In 1812 Uthman Dan Fodio triumphed over the Hausa kings. Ruling from Gobir, he changed the name
of the city to Sokoto. The empire he built became the Sokoto Caliphate.

to read up in the book "When we ruled" by Robin Walker, in 2006
Chapter: 50 Greatest Africans

@edoyad

The global warming causes an increase of the temperature on the northern hemisphere.
By now the polar bears find no more floes at certain times in the year.

@edoyad

I have thought, actually, now you would lie under the table for laughter.
The joke seems to have drowned in the Atlantic.


Besides, noted, I have heard just the school bell. It is a school end for today.

@edoyad

Not as an Eskimo, because then I would have because
of the global warming soon no more country under my feet.

Not as a Gipsy, there I would be welcome in no country and I would
soon have no more nose because the people would always slam
the door before my nose when I come begging.

But as a Somali pirate I could come true my dream. Finally, own ship!

@edoyad


hahahaha, Really? Do I seem to you thus?
No, I am no workaholic and up-tight surely not.

I work hard and try to make everything perfect, yes, but I also take time for the pleasant things of life.

@edoyad

Karl Marx was a critic of capitalism and is valid as the most high-powered theorist
of the socialism and communism.

His ideology laid the foundation-stone for the communism of the Soviet union.
This ideology, indeed, the Soviet union practicised in substantially stricter form.
To what this led we know.
Therefore, I believe one doesn't talk with pleasure about Karl Marx.

@edoyad


The name Jamaica coalition originated in 1994.

With him a coalition is described by three parties.
The colours of the parties prove the colours of the Jamaican national flag.

The FDP, free democratic party = yellow
Alliance '90/The Greens = green
CDU / CSU,  Christian democratic union and Christian social union = black
the latter are called together union parties.

Jamaica coalition is always a difficult, because the opinions of the single parties
strongly deviate of each other, therefore, it have never been  up to now at the national level.
At state level there is the first Jamaica coalition since 2009 in Saarland.

The FDP is the party of the rich and the enterprisers
Bündnis90 / dieGrünen has been only one environmental party in whose rows a lot of
environmental activists and members of Green Peace were.
Nevertheless, with the years she has changed and last put foreign minister Joschka Fischer

The union parties are the parties of the middle class
the CDU is represented in many federal states, while the CSU is to be found
exclusively in the federal state Bavaria.

@edoyad

edoyad:
@ajali, wonderful you're well rested, cos the questions will be coming thick and fast and i'm an attentive student.
Next class is in politics and i wonder if you could give me the A-Z about the Jamaica coalition ?

@edoyad, I like people who want to learn more and more

Jamaica coalition e-e?

yes I can

edoyad:
@ajali  i fell asleep waiting for you, do you sleep at all ?  STAYING POWER 
Any way i have studied all 95 of the theses so you have to award me with an Advanced diploma in German religious history .
Martin Luther was a brave man, a prussian revolutionary like Karl Marx and Engels. I wonder why your people don't come in that mould anymore ?   
My favorite thesis was no. 87 which asked why the rich Leo didn't use his own money to build the cathedral instead of extorting poor people ?
I also liked no. 93 that said they preach peace, peace, peace but do not show peace. Christianity has come a long way since then, hope others can do the same ?

@edoyad

After the sleepless night which you have prepared for me and a strenuous working day
I had to sleep first a little bit, But now I am fit again. 

Your "Advanced diploma in German religious history" is already in work.
You have existed as a best. LOL,  As the one and only student. 

Yes, Martin Luther was a strong personality with the courage to fight for his ideals.
If you ask me, the human race grows soft in general with the centuries more and more.

Your two favorite theses really feel well. And as we can see, they also have even today validity.
It has changed nothing.

@all


Hatred makes blind, still more than love makes blind . At the moment you are blind.

Less most of you. Sorry if I say it so directly, however, it is true. You accuse in each case other

religion of lacking desire for peace and of lacking charity and love. You insult yourselves mutually as

barbarians, murderers, use the worst terms of abuse and insults. You wish mutually the other in the

hell. I cannot enumerate everything at all. Do you still notice generally what you talk there? Is it that

what preaches the Christianity? Is this after the apprenticeships of Islam? Definitely not.

Hatred is the tool of the devil, satan or, how so ever, you may call him. Ask you,

sometimes whom you serve with this hatred. Is it  God or Allah? Surely not. I am no prophetess,

priest or clairvoyant, really not. I am a human, I am fallible, I am imperfect, as well as all people.

But I am educated and well-read what concerns the subject religion. My father, he rests in peace,

has urged me from the earliest youth to read, learn about the world religions and if I was ready to

choose for myself the right ones, or also none. He was on the opinion that nobody should be

pushed  in a certain religion only on grounds of the place of his birth.

As well as, born in North Germann  = Protestant, born in South Germany = Catholic,

born in Turkey = Muslim, born in India = Hindu etc. etc.

And I have read, learnt, discussed, more than 15 years and often I still do today.

Therefore, and only therefor I presume to take position here in this way. Not because I am white

and have the urgent wish to force my thoughts to blacks or to give you orders.

This never is my intention even if many of you this maybe think.

Since I can read I am also interested in the history of the humanity and the history of our world.

The history has taught us several times that hatred and violence never leads to success that

suppression or eradication of people, all the same for which reason, leads in disaster.

Nobody knows this probably better than me. I can lay you really only to the heart, talk

with each other, ask, learn, you would have been surprised how much the Christianity and Islam

have in common.

I mean here not Islam which is preached by the fundamentalists and extremists, but Islam,

as he was meant nearly 1400 years ago by the prophet Mohamed.

There was maladministration and misinterpretation, wrong interpretations of the writings,

and will always give. Also in the Christianity.



To preempt of the question; I am never joined  to Christianity, to Islam, or to an other faith

(Why would probably sprinkle the frame), however, I am surely religious as many others.

I was married 20 years with a Muslim and marry shortly a Catholic.


Peace, love and enlightenment for you all.

OgidiBoy:
[size=13pt]Vielen Dank für tellinh ihn.[/size]

U're welcome.
It was necessary.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO!!! = Rolling On the Floor, Laughing My Arse Off

thx a lot for the clarification.

tatanian:
hahahah yeah I got the name now it bukuro that the local wine the made use of you can't read because niggers can't actually. hahahhahahaha

@tatanian

Bisschen sehr hart der Tobac, den du hier verteilst, findest du nicht?
Und dein Hang zum Vulgären ist auch nicht gerade förderlich.

Fhemmmy:
Holy land? i will like to know what it means to be holy according to all these.

As well as I have understood it, it is meant from poster ironically.

Nevertheless, it is right, the youth from today has no more staying power.
Now you have well fallen asleep. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL,

thank God, it is done


Martin Luther: 95 theses
1. Because of love to the truth and in the aspiration to fathom this should be argued in Wittenberg
under the chairmanship of the venerable father Martin Luther, Master of the free arts and the holy
theology as well as their well-arranged professor there, about the following clauses. Therefore, he
asks those who cannot be present and debate orally with us to do this in absence in writing. In the
name of our Jesus Christ, amen.

2. Because our Jesus Christ speaks: "Does permance" etc. (Matth. 4.17), he has wanted that the whole
life of the religious should be permance.

3. This word cannot be understood by the permance as a sacrament - i.e. from the confession and
satisfaction - which is administered by the priestly office.

4. It refers not only to an internal permance, such would be none if she did not cause outwardly
various plants to the killing of the meat.

5. Hence, the punishment remains, as long as the hatred for itself - this is the true heart permance -
continues, so up to the entrance in the kingdom of heaven.

6. The pope wants to and can remit no punishments, except such which he has imposed on grounds
of his own decision or that of the ecclesiastical statutes.

7. The pope can remit a debt only by the fact that he it as from God remit explained and testified, of
course he can remit it in the cases reserved to him; if one wanted low-eighth, the debt would
completely continue.

8. God remits generally to nobody the debt without subjecting him at the same time modest in all to
the priest, his deputy.

9. The ecclesiastical regulations over the permance are obliging only for the living persons, accordingly
nothing may be imposed on the dying.

10. Hence, acts the holy mind who works by the pope, to us towards well if he always excludes the
case of the death and the highest need in his decrees.

11. Ignorantly and badly act those priests who save for the dying ecclesiastical premances for the
purgatory.

12. The opinion that an ecclesiastical permance punishment can be converted into a purgatory
punishment is a weed which has apparently been sowed, while the bishops slept.

13. Earlier the ecclesiastical permance punishments were imposed not after, but before the
absolution, as it were as a touchstone for the sincerity of the remorse.

14. The dying are solved by the death of all, and for the ecclesiastical statutes they are quite
dead because they are released from right because of of it.

15. If the position of a dying and the love (towards God) is imperfect, the inevitably brings him
big fear, and this is the bigger, the more slightly that is.

16. This fear and this fright are enough for itself alone - to be quiet from other - to put out the
torment of the purgatory; since they come to the horror of the desperation quite near.

17. Therefore, it seem to differ hell, purgatory and sky in the same manner like desperation,
approximate desperation and security.

18. Obvious the souls in the purgatory need the increase of the love just like a decrease of the horror.

19. Obvious it is also proved neither by reason nor written reasons that they are beyond the state in
which they can acquire salaries or in which the love can increase.

20. Obvious this is also not proved that they - at least not everybody - are sure their bliss and are
certain, although we are sure theirs.

21. Hence, the pope with the perfect decree of all punishments does not mean simply the decree of
all punishments, but only that which he himself has imposed.

22. Therefore, wander those indulgence preachers who say that by the indulgence of the pope the
person of every punishment freely and gets rid.

23. Rather he remits to the souls in the purgatory no punishment for which they would have had to
atone after the ecclesiastical statutes in this life.

24. If any decree of all punishments can be granted, then indeed alone the most perfect, that is,
however, generally to somebody, completely few.

25. So a large part of the people is deceived necessarily by that in ball and curve and largely
spoken made promises of the remission.

26. The same power which the pope has with regard to the purgatory in the general one owns every
bishop and every minister in his diocese or his parish in particular.

27. The pope acts very properly of not turning to the souls (in the purgatory) the forgiveness on
grounds of his - to him for it not available - key power, but on the way of the recommendation.

28. Human apprenticeship announce those who say, that the soul (from which purgatory) flies up as
soon as the money sounds in the box.

29. Indeed, as soon as the money sounds in the box, profit and greed can grow, but the
recommendation of the church stands only on the will of God.

30. Who knows then whether all souls want to be ransomed in the purgatory as it should not have
been, the case for example, with holy Severin and Paschalis.

31. Nobody is certain to the genuineness of his remorse, much less whether he has attained complete
decree (sin punishment).

32. So seldom one acts in right Wise permance, so seldom one buys in the right Wise indulgence,
namely exceptionally seldom.

33. Who believes to be able to be certain by a letter of indulgence of his welfare, will be condemned
for ever with his masters.

34. Not enough one can watch out for those which call the indulgence of the pope that incalculable
gift of God by which the person is reconciled with God.

35. Those indulgence mercies refer because only to the punishments settled by people of the
sakramentalen satisfaction.

36. Not like a Christian preach those who teach that the souls (from which ransom purgatory) or
acquire confession letters remorse are not necessary for them.

37. Every Christian who really is penitent is entitled to complete decree of punishment and debt,
also without indulgence letter.

38. Every true Christian, he is alive or dead, interest in all goods of Christ and the church, from
God to him also without indulgence has letter given.

39. However, the decree and the interest (in the called goods) which the pope provides may be
respected by no means slightly because they show explanation of the divine forgiveness - as I
already said.

40. It might be also difficult for the most taught theologians very much to praise the fullness of
indulgences and the sincerity of the remorse before the people at the same time.

41. Frank remorse longs for and loves the punishment. However, the fullness of the indulgences
makes uninterested and teaches to hate them, at least it suggests this.

42. Only with care the apostolic indulgence may be preached, so that the people mean not falsely,
he is to be preferred to other good plants of the love.

43. One should teach the Christians: It is not the opinion of the pope that the acquisition is to
be compared by indulgence in any manner with plants of the mercy.

44. One should teach the Christian: To give to the arm or to lend the destitute is better, than to
purchase indulgence.

45. Since by a plant of the love there grows the love and the person becomes better, but by
indulgence he becomes not better, but is released only partially from the punishment.

46. One should teach the Christians: Who sees a destitute, him passes over and instead of this gives
for the indulgence, purchases not the indulgence of the pope, but gets the rage of God.

47. One should teach the Christians: Which do not live in the abundance should keep the of vital
importance for their house being and waste on no account for the indulgence.

48. One should teach the Christians: The purchase of indulgence is a voluntary affair, not
compulsory.

49. One should teach the Christians: The pope has with the granting of indulgence a prayer offered
for him more urgently and wishes it, therefore, also more than provided money.

50. One should teach the Christians: The indulgence of the pope helps if one does not put his trust in
it, but very injuriously, if one gives up about that the fear of God.

51. One should teach the Christians: If the pope knew the extortion methods of the indulgence
preachers, he would rather see the Peter's church sinking in cinder, as that it would be built with skin,
meat and bone of his sheep.

52. One should teach the Christians: The pope would be as it is his duty, ready - if necessary - to sell
the Peter's church to give that from his money to a large part to which certain indulgence preachers
get the money from the pocket.

53. To expect the welfare on grounds of a letter of indulgence is futile, even if the (indulgence)
commissioner, the pope even their souls pledged for it.

54. They arrange that for the indulgence sermon the word of God comes in the surrounding churches
completely to the silence, are enemies of Christ and the pope.

55. Wrong happens to the word of God if in the one and same sermon on the indulgence the same
or longer time is used than for that.

56. The opinion of the pope is absolutely they: If the indulgence - is celebrated as the least - with a
bell, a procession and a service, the Gospel should be preached - as the highest - with hundred bells,
hundred processions and hundred services.

57. The treasure of the church from which the pope distributes the indulgence is called with the
people Christ neither enough nor is known.

58. Obvious he does not exist in temporal goods, because they would distribute many of the
preachers not so easily with full hands, but collect only.

59. However, he also does not exist of the salaries of Christ and the saints because these cause
mercy for the inside person as well as cross, death and hell for the external one permanently without
pope.

60. Holy Laurentius has said that the treasure of the church her arms are, but the use of this concept
corresponded to the view of his time.

61. Well-founded will say that the keys of the church - which are given by the salary of Christ -
that treasure explain.

62. Of course the power of the pope alone is enough to the decree of punishments and to the
forgiveness in besondern, him for reserved cases.

63. The true treasure of the church is the holy of holies Gospel of the magnificence and mercy of God.

64. This is rightly generally odious because he makes from the first last.

65. Nevertheless, the treasure of the indulgence is liked rightly exceptionally because he makes from
the last first.

66. So the treasure of the Gospel is the net with which one caught once the owners of wealth.

67. The treasure of the indulgence is the net with which one catches now the wealth of propertied.

68. The indulgence which the indulgence preachers loudly recommend as extraordinary mercies can
be really valid for what concerns the good business.

69. However, they are, compared to the mercy of God and the admiration of the cross, indeed, quite
slightly.

70. The bishops and priests are held to admit the commissioners of the apostolic indulgence with all
deference.

71., But even more they are held to exert eyes and ears that those do not preach her own phantasies
instead of the papal order.

72. Who speaks against the truth of the apostolic indulgence, that would be rejected and cursed.

73. But who appears against the ungovernability and cheek of the words of the indulgence preachers,
that would be blest.

74. As the pope rightly flings his spell ray against those which invent concerning the indulgence
business on mannigfache Wise deception,

75. Thus he wants to fling even more the spell ray against those which reflect under the pretext of
the indulgence on deception concerning the holy love and truth.

76. It is to be thought idiotically that the papal indulgence is mighty enough to release a person,
even if he would have done - what is impossible - the God's bearing power.

77. We state against the fact that the papal indulgence can also not take away the slightest venial sin
what concerns their debt.

78. If it means, also holy Peter could distribute if he was now a pope no bigger mercies, this is a
sacrilege of holy Peter and the pope.

79. We state against the fact that this like every any pope has bigger ones to make because the
Gospel, "mental powers and gifts,to make healthy" etc., how it 1. Chose. 12 is called.

80. Blasphemy is to be said that this amounted (in the churches) at excellent place established
indulgence) cross which is provided with the papal coat of arms to the cross of Christ.

81. The bishops, priests and theologians who suffer that one offers such sermon to the people will
have to give for it account.

82. This cheeky indulgence sermon does not make easy for also learnt men to protect the respect of
the pope against wilful criticism or even against subtle questions of the laymen.

83. For example: Why does the pope not remove the purgatory from around the holiest love and the
highest need of the souls for the sake of - as for really convincing reason - because he, nevertheless,
countless souls ransoms around the disastrous money for the construction of a church for the sake of -
as for very flimsy reason?

84. Or: Why do the requiems as well as annual celebrations continue for the deads, and why he
returns (the pope) not the foundations which have been made for it, or does permit her return if it is
already a wrong to pray for the ransomed?

85. Or: What this is for a new devoutness before God and the pope that they allow to an atheist and
enemies to ransom a devout and from God beloved soul for his money; however, around own need of
this devout and beloved soul for the sake of they do not release this because of free given love?

86. Or: Why do become the ecclesiastical premance statutes, "are actual and are dead by disuse" in
themselves long ago abolished and, however, still by the granting of indulgence with money replaced
as if they were extremely alive?

87. Or: Why does the pope who is richer today than the richest Crassus, build not at least one church
Saint Peter rather from his own money than that of the poor believers?

88. Or: What remits the pope in which he gives their interest, by perfect remorse a claim have on
complete decree and complete participating?

89. Or: What better happen to the church, as if the pope, as he does it (now) once, handed over
100 spot during the day to every believer this decree and this Participating?

90. Why the pope searches the welfare of the souls more than the money by the indulgence; why
does he lift earlier the lasted letters and indulgences now which are as effective, nevertheless?

91. Tells to suppress these extremely embarrassing objections of the laymen only by force and not
to remove by reasonable counterarguments to put out the church and the pope to the laughter of the
enemies and to make the Christendom unhappy.

92. If, hence, the indulgence was preached to the mind and the view of the pope according to, these
(objections) resolved everybody just like that, there would not be them at all.

93. Therefore away with all those prophets who preach the Christian: peace, peace", and is no peace.

94. Probably it may go to all the prophet who preach the Christian: "cross, cross", and is no cross.
One should encourage the Christians that they strive to follow their head Christ by punishments,
death and hell

95. and that trust rather to come by a lot of murky ale into the kingdom of heaven, as to calm
themself in wrong ecclesiastical security.

yes you're right

please bear with me, the 95 these last a little longer it isn't so easy for me to translate it in english very fast

Are you still awake? hahaha, then here part two and the third part about the 95 these will be the last


Luther refused the pope and the ecclesiastical hierarchy as the last authority in religious questions.
The uppermost authority comes up only to the holy writing. The ecclesiastical sacraments work –
according to Luther – not on account of a formal ceremonial, a magic of the priest, but immediately
by the faith. He saw the priest not as a rapt, inalienable mediator between God and person, but as a
minister without privileges.
At the Roman-Catholic mess the people formed only the audience. However, Luther incorporated the
municipality expressly in the service. Logically he wanted that was spoken and was sung in the church
in German. Martin Luther promoted the popular Choralsingen in German and animated the hymn
chanted only till then with pilgrimages anew, because he believed in the moral strength of the song;
of the instrumental music he subordinated like the pope an immoral effect.
The pope asked him on the 15th of June, 1520 to submit and threatened him with the anathema
("Exsurge Domine". On the 10th of December, 1520 Luther burnt an impression the papal bull
and some volumes of canonical right in present of colleagues and students before the Elstertor
in Wittenberg. With it he separated ostentatiously from the Roman-Catholic church;
on the 3rd of January, 1521 pope Leo X excommunicated him.
The anathema caused traditionally the outlawry in the Emperor's name. But the self-confident states
made Karl V keep to the electoral capitulation of 1519, according to which no imperial relative without
hearing might be outlawed. The king asked the reformer to justify himself on the Wormser Reichstag
and assured him of free escort. A worldly committee should consider about a judgment of the pope!
In Worms Luther was interrogated on the 17th of April, 1521 and asked whether he is ready to revoke
his theses. He asked for time to reflect, put on a speech in the evening and confessed on the next day
to his views. In May, 1521 Karl V with approval of the Reichstag imposed the outlawry in the Emperor's
name on him and forbade his confession (Wormser edict).
Luther had departed on the 26th of April, 1521 from Worms and had been attacked on the 4th of May
in the Thuringian wood by representatives of Friedrich of the manners feignedly. He submitted and can
be brought on Wartburg above Eisenach in security.
There he translated the new will into German. Besides, in the mind of the humanists he went back to
the springs. Therefore, he used as a submission instead of the official version, the Vulgata, from
Erasmus von Rotterdam 1516 published and with a Latin translation provided Greek original text.
However, he did not shy away to transfer freely if it was a matter for him of formulating vividly,
because he wanted to write general-understandably, so that the Gospel also disclosed to less educated
layman.
Martin Luther rejected the celibacy, because he held the abstinence for unnatural. On the 13th of June,
1525 he married the 26-year-old, in 1523 for the cloister of Nimptschen with Grimma fled former
Cistercian's nun Katharina von Bora (1499 - 1552). With her he generated six children. In addition,
he recorded eleven children of late used in his family with.
On the 18th of February, 1546 Martin Luther died in Eisleben.

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Martin Luther, actually:Luder, was born on the 10th of November, 1483 in Eisleben and grew up in
Mansfeld.
The father, Hans Luther, was a strict, rough man and furious Priest hater, the mother anxiously,
religious; both were simple and diligent.
A religion full by fright pictures linked with a strictly strict education have formed Luthers
childhood and religious position.
Lawyer He should become a lawyer by the will of his ambitious parents.
In 1501 he began the basic study at the university of Erfurt. However,
he disappointed them: Briefly after he had acquired the authorisation with the Master's
degree to turn to the real degree, he entered on the 17th of July, 1505 into the strict
Augustinian's hermit's cloister in Erfurt.
Martin Luther travelled in 1510 by order of his orden to Rome, studied theology and took
over after his doctorate in 1512 the Bible professorship from Johann von Staupitz at the university of
Wittenberg.The Dominican's mendicant Johannes Tetzel began in 1517 to sell by order Albrecht's von
Brandenburg letters of indulgence whose proceeds were determined for the construction of the Peter's
church in Rome. Really, however, half should be used of it to erase Albrecht's debts with the Fugger.
The Hohenzollern prince had bought an office accumulation forbidden after canon law of the Curia to
himself with the borrowed money: He was a mark count of Brandenburg, archbishop of Magdeburg,
administrator of the dioceseHalberstadt, archbishop and elector of Mainz; pope Leo X appointed him
still the cardinal in 1518. As a rule Johannes Tetzel was supported by the local clergy.
About Tetzels selling of indulgences the Wittenberger theologian Martin Luther expressed outrage.
On the 31st of October, 1517 he has struck 95 theses into Latin language against the door of the
castle church of Wittenberg to request skilled theologians, to discuss the outgrowths of the indulgence
business. Luther did not refuse the indulgence in principle, but he turned against every thoughtlessness
concerning the sacrament of the coaches.
Martin Luther was done by the indulgence quarrel on and on in his criticism, first only in
mismanagement in the church, also in the Roman-Catholic apprenticeship. Johannes Tetzel and
the inhabitant of Ingolstadt theologian Johanne Eck accused him, finally, of the heresy. In July,
1518 the Curia opened a procedure against Luther and asked him to come to Rome.
If he was followed the summons, the church would let him possibly on the pyre have burnt. However,
Luthers sovereign, the Saxon elector Friedrich of the manner, exerted himself for the engaged critic of
ecclesiastical mismanagement and reached that he did not need to travel to Rome, but from the 12th
to the 14th of October, 1518 on the Augsburg Reichstag of the papal legacy cardinal Thomas Cajetan
de Vio was interrogated.
Three quarters a year later Martin Luther provided for new explosive in Leipzig when he can be
provoked by Johannes Eck for the assertion, also popes and councils are not infallible and could
wander. His criticism expanded, finally, also on the sacraments and other areas of the Roman-Catholic
apprenticeship. He published 1520 three programmatic writings: (1) nation German in the Christian
nobility, (2) of the freedom of a Christian's person, (3) De captivitate Babylonica.

@edoyad

Sorry, I have mistaken there something,  
of course I know also about Duke Frederick.
He exerted himself for Martin Luther and helped him.

@edoyad

Well, you are still very young and will still learn a lot and collect experiences. I live already a few years longer and divide my knowledge with pleasure with you. I would have personally really no problem with even more Turks in my country. Quite honestly., because Islam like he is original and is lived on most Muslims, can never endanger a democracy and also does not want it. I would defend myself against the false-escorted radical Islamism of course.

About Martin Luther and 95 theses I can tell you a lot.
About Duke Frederick I do not know a lot.

Feel free to ask what ever you want.

@Kobojunkie

Please, do not laugh now, but what means this ROFLMAO!!!
I have seen it so or so similarly already so often here and puzzle
since then what could mean it. Please, clear me silly thing up.   

Well edoyad,
peace and love are the foundation in both religions.
Read my post in other thread, then you know why I can say this.
And nothing happens without reason, believe me please.

What concerns your question after the Turks.
Germany with 3.5 millions has by far most Turks in Europe.

@edoyad

Ohh no, I does not want to criticise you, there you have misunderstood me.
Actually, I wanted to explain to you, why the things are so.
However, it has little sense if you do not believe in God.
Therefore, I have asked you whether it was serious yours when you said, you do not believe in God.