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felixomor:
You have not learnt your lesson after u were disgraced for telling lies the other day?

You have started telling lies again.
Mscheww

felixomor:
The lifestyle of the atheist
Was very simple.
It included;


Spending countless hours on social media,

WATCHING PORNOGRAPHY

and taking alcohol.

Indeed the life of the atheist was very simple to live.

Having read this,
Now tell me

Who is really Mentally weak?

The young Christian or the Lazy Atheist?

Awaiting answers.

Felixomor, the medic who claimed human brain sleeps. Stop being untruthful.

NPComplete:
Please who has the link to RCCG website. I really need to see that quote myself

The evidence would have been deleted, from the website of the casino.

Except this article hasn't been seen, by the operators of the damn casino.

This means that those Western Muslim scholars — who claim that Islam is a religion of peace and that people like Khamenei, Khomeini, Bin Laden and the like, are not true Muslims— cannot introduce themselves as representatives of real Islam.
Usually, when a terrorist or suicide attack by a Muslim occurs, a women is raped and forced to marry the rapist, a woman is stoned for having sex with another man (namahram), a woman is beaten for disobeying her husband or father, the Western Muslim scholars who were born, raised, or educated in the West excitedly point out that the majority of “Muslims” do not conduct these acts and people who carry out these acts are minimal. As a result, they argue that those few people cannot represent Islam.

But the paradox is that those people who commit such inhumane and brutal acts are the actual Muslims who represent the real Islam because they follow Islam, Allah’s words, the Qur'an, and Muhammad’s principles word for word. The rest of Muslims are the ones who do not represent real Islam and its truth. In other words, for Muhammad and Allah, those Muslims who commit such criminal acts will be considered totally good Muslims because they obey the rules stated in Qur'an in full detail.

Muslims argue that Allah’s words in the Qur'an are open to interpretation. Below are some samples of Allah’s words that are not open to any interpretation. A real Muslim, and a representative and reflection of real ideology of Islam, should follow and full-heartedly accept these social rules word for word. Otherwise, he or she cannot claim that they represent the truth of the ideology of Islam, Muhammad, and Allah.

Execute Those Who Wage War Against Allah and His Messenger:
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter” (Qur'an 5:33).

Men Can Marry Four Wives:
“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (Qur'an 4:3).

Men Can Have Sex with Captives:
"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" (Qur'an 33:50).

A Man Can Marry Wife of Adopted Son:
"Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way" (Qur'an 33:4).

A Woman Inherits Only Half as Much as a Man Does:
"Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise" (Qur'an 4:11).

Fight with Those Who Do not Believe in Islam
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." (Qur'an 9:29)

Witness Testimony of a Woman Is Half of That of a Man in Court:
"O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things" (Qur'an 2:282).

A Man Can Marry Girls Who Have Reached Puberty Age or Have Not Reached Yet. (As Muhammad married Aisha before puberty age):
"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period “is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy." Qur'an 65:4
These are only a few examples of Allah’s words, which are not open to interpretation, according to the definition of the religion and its explicitly set eternal rules.
In sum, my argument is that those real and good Muslims and representatives of the philosophy of the religion are those who follow the Qur'an, Allah’s words. If they do not agree with some of these rules and do not wholly follow them, they are not good Muslims and they cannot represent the real truth of Islam. In fact, based on Muhammad’s teachings and the Qur'an, if a person does not believe in one of the previous verses or any of Allah’s words, he cannot call himself a Muslim.

And finally, as long as the ideology of Islam, as long as the Qur'an exists and is considered to be the words of Allah, people like Osama Bin Laden will resurface in human history and ideology of Islam, Allah’s words in the Qur'an will create such criminals, real and good Muslims, who represent the true ideology and philosophy of Islam.



http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/222641/false-dichotomy-moderate-muslims-vs-radicals-dr-majid-rafizadeh

A real and “good” Muslim, who represent the ideology of Islam, would follow Allah’s words in Qur'an regarding this specific rule. Therefore, he or other Muslims like this young British-American man cannot introduce themselves as a real reflection and representation of Islamic ideology or speak on behalf of Islam.

This verse is not open to interpretation. It clearly says what a man must do with a disobedient wife. I cannot imagine that this verse can have another meaning than what it exactly states. Many Muslims use the interpretation card to legitimize and defend Islam and call themselves the real reflection of Islamic ideology. Growing up in Islamic societies, I am aware that many Muslims in the West or East have not even read Allah’s words in the Qur'an completely, and are not following the real Islam. (A blessing that they have not read it and that they are not following the real Islam!).

The underlying reason for considering people such as Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Khomeini, Osama Bin Laden, Hassan Nasrullah, Ayman Alzawaheri, Hasib Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinjead, and others as the real image of Islam is that these people follow Allah’s verses and orders word for word. They also have hundreds of thousands of followers who consider them as the true Muslims.

If Muhammad was alive, these people would be considered the real spokespeople for Islam, the best, true, and real Muslims, for following Allah’s rules exactly. So what about other Muslims?

Other Muslims who obey some of the verses and disregard others cannot be called good Muslims, representatives of Islamic ideology, or even true followers of Islam, based on the Qur'an and Muhammad’s teachings. Therefore, they cannot in fact, represent any categories. Every word of Allah should be obeyed.

These people who call themselves the representatives of real Islam are in fact a representative and reflection of certain socio-political, socio-economic and cultural traditions mixed with some glimpses of Islamic teachings, not the real truth of Islam. Their identity and character is a mixture of these aforementioned qualities rather than the actual ideology of Islam.

Considering this information and based on these standards, a true Muslim, who represent the real Islam, should be the one who follows and obeys Allah’s words (from the Qur'an) completely. As a result, anyone who ignores some of the rules is not, and cannot be, considered a reflection of Islam, a good Muslim, or even a Muslim. Accordingly, Allah’s words and rules are not a basket of vegetable to choose from, meaning that one cannot obey some orders and disregard others.

Following this reasoning, it is clear that the whole dichotomy of good Muslims vs. extremist Muslims, as portrayed by the mainstream media, must be altered. By this definition, real, true, and good Muslims who represent Islam are people such as Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Khomeini (the founder of Iran’s political theocracy), Osama Bin Laden, Hassan Nasrullah (the leader of Hezbollah), Ayman Alzawaheri, Hasib Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinjead, and the like, because they follow the Qur'an and Allah’s social and legal rules word for word.

All these people, who have committed crimes against humanity, will be considered to be the real Muslims, representing the actual ideology of Islam, the Qur'an, Allah’s words, and Muhammad’s teachings, because they follow the rules of Islam.

To give you a concrete example, during a speech I gave that criticized the underlying philosophy and ideology of Islam and that argued that Islam is not a religion of peace, a young American-British Muslim man stood up and responded by interrupting. Some of his points, which echoed what other Western Muslims usually state, were that Islam is the religion of peace, millions of Muslims like him do not commit those violent acts, and that they represent Islam.

When he finished, I asked him if he believed that he should beat his wife after she disobeys him one time, two times or three times. He said no. Then I conveyed to him that one cannot be representative of the true philosophy and ideology of Islam, a good or real Muslim, if he or she doesn’t follow Allah’s words stated in Qur'an.

Allah specifically says, "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” (Qur'an 4:34)

Mod,
Kindly allow this article stay on this section. It serves a general knowledge purpose.



THE FALSE DICHOTOMY: MODERATE MUSLIMS VS. RADICALS

The Qur'an is not open to interpretation.

April 3, 2014 Dr. Majid Rafizadeh

The liberal mainstream media has long portrayed a picture of moderate ("good" Muslims versus extremist Muslims. This narrative has been institutionalized in the thinking of Western Muslim scholars, who advocate for Islam as well. This has led to the thought that Islam is an ideology and religion of peace, because a majority of Muslims fall in the category of moderate or good Muslims.

If we analyze this dichotomy in depth, we can see how this understanding of Islam develops. Besides analytical and theoretical frameworks, I will also draw on my own experience growing up in the Muslim world.

We were taught in school that the Qur'an has descended, word for word, from the creator Allah, through Muhammad. This is accepted throughout the entirety of the Islamic word. If we take this speculation as accurate information of Islam, then every Muslim is supposed to follow Allah’s verses exactly in order to be a good Muslim and to be considered a representative of the real ideology and religion of Islam.

Secondly, if we take the assertion that the Qur'an is made up of Allah’s words as being true, then Qur'anic verses should be followed for eternity, as long as human beings exist in this universe. No changes are allowed to Allah’s rules and words because Allah, as Muslims say, is perfect and his knowledge is absolute. As a result, his words cannot be relative and every word he utters or reveals should apply in any time of human history.

In fact, even Muhammad himself repeatedly said that two things a Muslim should follow are the Qur'an (words of Allah) and the Hadith (Muhammad’s teachings).

Zi:
OP you said "proves" and you are posting ordinary pictures?
Are you out of your mind?

Videos or ahdonbilivit! Let's see them sick, let's see the healing process, let's see post-healing videos. Let's see Nairalanders identify their relatives and friends and confirm their ailments. Nairaland is a huge community, someone must know someone there.

In fact, even with video, I still don't believe these charades.

You obviously didn't get the gist.

So, Christian men indulge in porn?

But ebublog and felixomor (out of the ignorance and childish mischief), claimed porn is exclusive indulgence of atheists.

davtosh:
My guy

I always say this to your likes before typing rubbish about Bible quotes always ask for the meaning from those who believe in it and are familiar with it.

You dont just jump at conclusion on matters that you are not familiar with like a freed famished monkey seeing banana for the first time after days in a trap.


Sorry if that sounds like an offence.


What does the Bible verse you quoted mean.


What is the kingdom of God?


Answer:

Romans 14:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

All the while Jesus was with the desciples they had RIGHTEOUSNESS because JESUS is our RIghteousness and also they had the PEACE that the Messiah was with them with all the promises He gave them.
When He died and rose they got The JOY of resurrection now seeing that He said He would die and Rise again and it happened. They were full of Joy but yet they never got the HOLY GHOST.
But on the day of Penticost they got the final promise which is the HOLY GHOST.

And so the Kingdom of God was first experienced by the Apostles which never saw DEATH untill the promise was fulfilled.

That is the KINGDOM OF GOD

RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE, JOY AND THE HOLY GHOST.

REBELLION wont take you far.
Give your life to God before DEATH comes visiting.

Stay blessed.

Sorry baby preacher, you're wrong. The verse that i put up in the thread, speaks of the physical Kingdom of God.

Jesus spoke clearly and directly of Pentecost, in other places.

jfolorun:
Sometimes, a fool deserves a harsh response so that he doesn't think he is wise. These people think they know the A-Z of logical arguments but they have no idea of what an argument is. No one wins an argument by saying the other party is deluded in his thinking just because they believe differently. No need to argue blindly with these attention seekers especially on Nairaland platforms.

I hope the Nairaland administrators can revise rule no. 2 to include punishment on anyone who insult people of different beliefs . This I think will bring some sanity into our discussion fora.
2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.
In the mean time, I agree that wrong notions about Christ can be corrected. If anyone choice to accept otherwise, it is a free world. Everyone will give an account of what they have done one day in the presence of the same Christ who they insult.

The Blessings and Grace of God be upon you

jfolorun:
It is best for us to allow you to sink in your sea of self-delusion until the day you meet Jesus face-to-face.

Salaam

Can you see how your hypocrisy stinks?

You reported me to have broken rule 2, when you were the first to use the word delusion (wrongly).

This act cowardice and appeal to pity, is a common denominator of most NL apologists.

Pettiness is the overarching trait of children.

CatfishBilly:
He said that?

There are more outrageous gist from these religious casinos, than this one.

CatfishBilly:
Sadly, Cobhams Asuquo was there and he didn't get healed.
One case that would have been easily verified.

At all these "healing crusade" charade, the healthy folks are always the experimental group, while the sick folks are condemned on the slab of "they don't have faith".

ghst:
nope u are wrong,you are describing an agnostic,agnostic are sitting on the fence,that's why they will never rule out the existence of God,but they don't believe,they are not on any bandwagon whether for religion or against it,atheism is a movement,more like a unified mind that is why it's waxing strong in today's world of media,more people are becoming atheist not because they did any personal research but because their minds were simply altered by intellectual minds they adore.

Since you're not saying anything in clear terms, may i ask you,
*who is an atheist?
*how does atheist emerge

As an observer of African Pentecostalism in general and the dynamics of mega-churches in Nigeria specifically, I am no stranger to the outrageous and the bizarre.

There is a new game in town. It involves- no garlands for guessing- the Redeemed Christian Church of God. But I err. Actually, it’s not a new game. What is going on is a rejuvenation of a scam that began ten years ago, and its chief perpetrator is no other than Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye, the General Overseer of the RCCG; Daddy G.O. for short.

It goes like this: for a specified amount of cash (hard currency preferred), you could enlist as one of the Redeemed Church’s coveted “Covenant Partners”.

The first round of recruitment took place ten years ago, as a result of which, according to Pastor Adeboye, many jaw-dropping miracles took place in the lives of the “partners.”
That agreement is now up for renewal. But wait a minute. The terms must be renegotiated; the duration, for a start.

Apparently, God has suddenly grown weary of protecting his covenantees for ten years. Instead, according to Pastor Adeboye (I am quoting verbatim from the announcement on the RCCG website), ‘When I asked God, He said there will be a new set and it will not be for ten years.

He said “because those people were in covenant with you for ten years, I had no choice but to keep them alive for ten years.” He said “You tied my hands”. And I remembered all the miracles that happened in the life of my partners, and I thank God for all the miracles, I thank God for all my partners and I say, thank you for the past ten years.

Now, the Lord says to me, the new set of partners will be for only three years. He said after three years, we can review.’
As an observer of African Pentecostalism in general and the dynamics of mega-churches in Nigeria specifically, I am no stranger to the outrageous and the bizarre. But even for me, the absurdity on display here is simply stunning.


First, the content of what pastor is pawning here as a one-on-one between himself and God is a basic negation of one of the essential properties of the Christian God, i.e. his omniscience.
The God Adeboye is reporting here is not just utterly capricious; he is also cack-handed. After initially resolving to bless a chosen cohort for a ten-year period, he seems, in the strangest manner, to have had a change of mind.

This time, he will only lavish his special blessings on these new partners for only three years. And why? “Because those people were in covenant with you (Adeboye) for ten years, I had no choice but to keep them alive for ten years.” And why, you wonder, is wrong with that? Why would a good God not be motivated to keep his children alive for ten years? Why reduce ten to three?

Has God mysteriously lost his powers to do all things? Suppose, for instance, that a former covenantee resolves not to renew his/her lease, what happens? Does he or she then forfeit God’s blessings? And what happens in the interim, the time between the expiration of the former lease and the activation of a new one? Would God leave his sheep in limbo?
Questions like these are bound to boggle the critical mind, and make one wonder what God’s actual motives are.

But the RCCG announcement furnishes us with probable answers, and this is the second theme I take up here. It transpires that membership of this elect list is not gratis.
Potentially, you could, on an ascending scale, join one of ten groups. Group one is obviously the lowest, and the requirement is a monthly contribution of N100, or, as the announcement briskly- and inaccurately- notes, “USD Equivalent $1.00.”

Top of the list is group ten. Members of this elite group will contribute a princely “N2, 000,000 (two million Naira) and above” or circa $20,000 every month into the coffers of the RCCG. So, you have it right there. You will be the recipient of untold- and conveniently unspecified- “blessings,” but only for a fee.

Gone are the days when God would bless you for merely obeying his commandments. No more. He is not only tired of keeping people alive for so long; the terms for securing God’s blessings have changed. You’ve gotta make a deposit, man!
As it is at the RCCG, so it is at majority of the countless houses of worship (sic) that currently combine to make the Nigerian society easily the worlds most churched.

In these abominable places, any thief can be a pastor.Indeed, most are. What varies is the degree of brazenness with which such religious leaders (sic) go about their nefarious acts, and the sophistication involved in the ruthless evisceration of their congregations. Majority of such congregations are of course there to be taken.

They are either too poor or too illiterate to understand the sociology of their own disemboweling, or too rich and ensconced to give up what they regard, literally speaking, as their investments. It is in this sense that a description of Nigerian churches as mere casinos gains special resonance. You know what goes on in those. In a casino, no one is interested in the pedigree of your money. In fact, the dodgier, the better. Why else do we call it a casino?

In perhaps the most astonishing example of moral bankruptcy in the history of spiritual leadership in the country, Pastor Adeboye and the RCCG, against a social backdrop of chronic underemployment and material deprivation of the most humanly degrading sort, have refused to ask their congregation the most basic and most important question of all: What is the source of your money?

The question is not trite. Neither is Adeboye and RCCG’s highest echelons’ refusal to pose it. Were they to pose it, they would rend the very principle that holds the church together, and that has catapulted it to its current status as one of the most prosperous private investments in modern Africa.
This is what every Nigerian should understand.

RCCG is enriched when money is collected, no questions asked. This is the simple explanation for the spineless silence of pastor Adeboye himself in the face of the social tragedy that confronts Nigerians everywhere today.

Obadare (Obadare@ku.edu) teaches sociology at the University of Kansas, USA.

ghst:
atheism from my perception is a product of deepened research into science and the feel of pride that comes from inventions which is why atheist believes they are their own gods,a painter Michel Angelo painted a picture illustrating God's contact with man,I believe atheists altered the picture I made this discovery in a movie that I watched,any atheist who's not researched deeply into the world of science obviously joined the bandwagon

Now you're in deep poo. You started straying when you said atheists suffer herd effect, therefore atheists are religious.

You went further to claim that atheists have Shepherd.

Just to help you and your likes, who are having same difficulty, that plagues you now.

Atheism (for the lack of better word) is a mere "response position" to the unsubstantiated claims of existence of gods.

Atheism is neither ideological nor philosophical nor conceptual position.

jfolorun:
If you want to insult me, at least, type the word properly. You half-baked graduate and empty vessel. I don't know what you mean and honestly, I don't care.

Sorry baba aladura, delusioniosis is a word that i created, to describe a viral infection, that has observable sign of grand delusionary thinking.

This infection, is endemic among religious folks eg Christians.

ghst:
funny,I know what it means,there are atheists who opted to become an atheist not for personal reasons but they just decided to join the bandwagon

You're still deepening your ignorance boy.

Personal reason?

Bandwagon?

ghst:
diagoras

Sorry boy, you don't know the meaning of herd effect.

jfolorun:
For some reasons, the followers of Jesus have no business in responding to the foolish points you have raised. It is best for us to allow you to sink in your sea of self-delusion until the day you meet Jesus face-to-face. Then you will know the TRUTH. On the other hand we have the responsibility to tell everyone who cares to hear the truth that Jesus is the TRUTH. Everything he has said will come to pass have either been fulfilled or are happening. He is coming soon as the righteous judge of the whole world. This will happen at the climax of global unrest that we are currently witnessing. Jesus is the Prince of Peace and will fix our troubled world.

Salaam

Lol..... Your grand delusioniosis is common strain.

TonyeBarcanista:
The darkened stars falling was figurative and not literal.... what if I say I'll return home provided that it doesn't rain cat and dog over here? Does that mean that the recipients of my message will be expecting any literal cat and dog not to fall?

You wjll only understand Christ's teaching/words when you read within the context and with the aid of the Holy Spirit without any predetermined mindset.

Of course, the metaphor alibi always come to rescue of the absurdities.

TonyeBarcanista:
That passage was clearly about the Jerusalem, nowhere did it infer second coming.

If you read Revelations (Apocalypse) it relates with the time when the fulfilment of that passage was ongoing. Jerusalem was destroyed, the church was heavily persecuted, Roman emperors declared themselves "God" and expected to be worshipped etc. That was the time of tribulations of the Church. People were killed for their faith and some denied their faith.

I'm sure you aren't expecting to see some beings with horns and seven heads anytime soon? lol...

As for the Second coming, Christ will come at the sound of the trumpet. The dead in Christ shall rise first, those alive shall then join in the heavenly Kingdom... The whole. world will be judged including Satan. A new heaven and a new earth shall be established.

The only person you can confuse on this one, is yourself. Go back and read your second post.

The point here is that Jesus was talking about his second coming, and that some folks listening to him, will be alive at his second coming (God's Kingdom coming in power).

Your obfuscation is sterile.

ghst:
since herd mentality is also present in atheism,yes it's a religion,

And who's the Shepherd of atheists?

TonyeBarcanista:
I see you want to argue for argument sake but I won't be able to employ unnecessary argument.

You asked how it affects the Temple meanwhile, it was clearly written in verse 1 of Mark 13 and the disciples understood the whole message.

Jesus always spoke in parables, he always emphasised that his Kingdom is not of this world nor any physical Kingdom. His kingdom is absolutely spiritual not of the flesh.

Your assumption(about my argument), was informed by your difficulty, in bringing up intelligent argument.

Again, you're mixing up,

* God's Kingdom and
* my (Jesus) Kingdom

Are you saying that Jesus second coming, is not going to be physical?

TonyeBarcanista:
yes,
See Mark 13:1-2

1 As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”

2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.”


Jesus kept talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the tribulations of the people of Christs to be faced by the Apostles and Christians, then he talked about his "kingdom" that will come immediately after the tribulations in verse 26...

26 “Then they will see THE SON OF MAN
COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory

Now see verse 30 and 31

30 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

31 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

Now relate it to what was written in Mark 9:1

Mark 9:1: And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

You may also read parallel Gospels in the New Testament.

*Jesus will return in cloud, power and glory.
*God's Kingdom will come in power.

Both are saying the same thing and refers to physical event of his second coming.

* how does this relate to pulling down of temple?

Even at your quoted version "Kingdom of God has come with power".

*the ONLY reference to POWER and KINGDOM, apart from the physical and powerful return of Jesus, is the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Your exegesis is an obfuscation of plain lies of the fabricated Jesus.

TonyeBarcanista:
Oga that passage was talking about the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem and the coming of the spiritual Kingdom of Christ which the Apostles witnessed. Please, read the preceding verses.

"...... till they SEE the kingdom of God come with power."

It's physical stuff that can be SEEN.

If it ever has anything to do with "spiritual kingdom", that would have been the fictitious "descent of holy ghost in acts".

Can you give bible reference to this your alibi?

More "proofs"

Here are the "proves"

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There are some here of them that stand by , who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power.

A look at one of concocted stories of fictitious Jesus Christ, that didn't add up.

* Jesus was quoted to have promised, to lead the return of God's kingdom in all its power.

* Jesus being under the illusion of fanaticism, boasted in Mark 9: 1

* today, it's evident that all the folks, that Jesus lied will not taste death, have all die. Without his return. Jesus the trickster!

Now to the 21st century folks, who are still being fettered by this grand illusion, why do you still hope for that which has been confirmed, to be a delusional outburst of a nazarene?

Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

dillinger:
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No tracker installed?

The folks on Holy Spirit weed, will soon begin to thread the dubious "context" path.

randomperson:
So Christians say that Jesus lived without committing a single sin. However, these verses show that Jesus told a lie...
8 You go on to the festival. I am not going to this festival, because the right time has not come for me.” 9 He said this and then stayed on in Galilee.
10 After his brothers had gone to the festival, Jesus also went; however, he did not go openly, but secretly.

John 7: 8-10
So, basically Jesus said he wasn't going to the festival but later went secretly. So he lied or am I getting this all wrong

Looking at the crapy account of the fabricated Jesus, he said he was not gonna attend the feast, because the Jews were after his head off his neck.

Being a trickster coward, Jesus disguised and attended the feast. Therefore, Jesus didn't only lied, he's equally a coward.

The later part of the verses that said Jesus stood openly to teach during the feast, was concocted addition, just to cover the cowardice.

DoctorAlien:
Chai, no wonder. Only akintom's level of reasoning can be this ridiculous.

You should be ashame of this your non-existent omniscient now. If it couldn't help you discern mere moniker.

Again, now that you foolishly spew CatfishBilly, to also be ridiculous on the reason scale. When your religious mentality, is on infinite negative, on the same reason scale. You need to see a brain medic boy.