Blessed be God of Reason, who constantly enrich our minds with knowledge, understanding and wisdom. In this God we discovered riches and glory of imagination and the liberty. Forever dwelling in peace and happiness. Amen.

stephanie11:
@POLITICSNGR

Bishop David Abioye of the Living Faith Church(Winners' Chapel) during a recent sermon advised his congregation to avoid voting individuals who value cow more than human life in 2019.

Abioye, in a fiery sermon, urged his congregants to be vigilant adding that 'they' are 'penetrating everywhere'. PoliticsNGR has footage from the sermon.

Watch the Video HERE

https://politicsngr.com/dont-vote-people-value-cow-life-winners-bishop-abioyevideo/

From abioye that started living faith church with oyedepo, when oyedepo was still a bachelor. Now, while abioye is still alive, oyedepo has designated his son to inherit living faith church.

Abioye is subservient in thinking and character. Therefore, his infirmed conclusions on PMB, can only appeal to the deluded.

GoodMuyis:


You go and articulate my 1st response. Any of the leaders in the church close to him can be regard as his child not necessarily his biological child.

He is the founder of the church and AM NOT SURE IF HE put much difference between the church he founded and other businesses he established personally.

Do you expect the successor of the church leadership to also inherent the business also?

Your response can't be different from the stock that oyedepo is made of. Without tricks and scam, God-idea and religion can't thrive.

The fact that you either can't see or deliberately choose not to see how oyedepo has subtly positioned his son to inherit living faith church, albeit in manipulative and fraudulent manner, shows how morally bankrupt you godists are.

barojana:
Every pastor would know the implication of wrong succession and I'm sure Oyedepo is fully aware of the consequences of the wrong person taking over the ministry.
As regard his son serving as resident pastor that is a non issue. At the time of succession God would make his choice.
OP I would advise you to stay away completely from the issue of succession. And I also suspect you are misinterpreting the mandate book.

You obviously didn't understand the last three paragraphs of my post. The mandate says God shall name the successor at oyedepo's exit.

Has God ever spoken to you or any human before? Men have always spoken in the NAME of God.

His son, oyedepo jnr is at present, the resident pastor of the international headquarters and one of the 4 vice presidents.

If you're logical and rational, you will know that oyedepo has gotten a successor in his son already (exactly what "God' will say when he dies).

GoodMuyis:


Do you know that James the bother of Jesus was among the elders of the church in Jerusalem.
What rational thinking got to do with other men's issue?

If one of the son has what it takes to lead why cant he be a resident pastor
If the father is building his son to be Next Big Thing, what is wrong putting the son in a position to learn and develop.

Go and read my OP again.

I simply showed you a man that's a scamer. He taught his hypnotized followers that ascension to headship isn't hereditary.

But now, he's perfectly arranged his son to inherit the church business. All this by tricks in the name of God. Using the same Bible he used to knock off the Aaronic order.

bedspread:
The Church is The Sole property of GOD ALMIGHTY.... and No man can do what GOD does not allow..

Eli sons where to be The next priest (GO's) after their father's death, but when the sinned GOD ALMIGHTY, my FATHER slew them and Prophet Samuel took over...

Samuel sons where also Prophets but they didn't see the light as Prophets...

What GOD does not allow cannot Happen.

Op Leave The Church of GOD and His Servant alone...
It's non of our Business.....
Let's be careful the manner we react in the things of GOD..

GOD BLESS US ALL

Lolz..... Sorry, you just simply can't see beyond the act of manipulation by your church leaders. Idahosa built his church in his name, the very reason his Co-pastors couldn't head the church after his death.

Idahosa wife took over, she later ordained her son as bishop. The son will take over when she dies.

It's church business, only the hypnotized and gullible are under the illusion that church isn't a scam business.

GoodMuyis:
Akintom you missed it big time, the example you sited such as “Moses to Joshua and Elijah to Elisha, can you explain biological relationship between them.

Moses was a Levite but Joshua was Ephraimite. Why would Joshua be the best candidate to take leadership from Moses? Give answer yourself

The same applies to Elijah and Elisha.

There are those who are Oyedepo's spiritual children, in fact all the church members are so anyone can be the chosen one, but the chosen one must understand the church mandate

Did you see Aaron there?

Are you aware that oyedepo's first son is the resident pastor in Canaan land and one of 4 vice president to his father?

Just think rationally, ok ?

Few days ago, bishop oyedepo was speaking in his synagogue, during which he betrayed the most basic resentment and sentiment towards the APC government (but mischievously towards PMB). He did spoke in manner that showed mockery, but beneath that, is deep seated hatred and disillusion.

I sat under the live teachings of oyedepo when he was at Raji-oba in iyana-ipaja, Lagos. I read his books and listened to his tapes. He was a man that i coveted then, in matters that borders on pastoral cravings.

In his teachings on anointing, the calling of God into the ministry and ordination into church leadership. Oyedepo taught thus;

"the calling of God is not by election, but by the anointing of the holy spirit. Not even by the appointment or agreement of clergy. In acts 1: 1-26, the eleven apostles wanted to replace Judas, so elected a twelfth apostle by casting ballot.

God wasn't in that arrangement. But when God decided to replace Judas, he anointed Paul. Nothing significant was heard about Mattias after the election, but Paul became a force in the new testament. This is an evidence of the superiority of anointing of God over human arrangement "

" the new testament order of coming into the ministry, isn't after the order of the Aaron priesthood, but after that of the priesthood of Jesus. Which is not by inheritance, but by the anointing of the holy spirit".

Oyedepo taught the above ���, when his two sons (who are now heir apparent to "presiding bishophood" were still toddlers.

Below ��is what oyedepo now teaches on the same subject matter.

"Furthermore, in this ministry, we have an operational manual called The Mandate. This 504-page book contains, among others, details of statutory procedures for succession. This book, which was released in 2012, is the second bible of this ministry as it were and the content shall not be subject to review until after the first 50 years, that is 2062, if at all.
"However, succession in the kingdom is absolutely at God’s prerogative as in the case of Moses and Joshua" .

"The Church’s Mandate Secretary, Pastor Yemi Nathaniel, said; “Every apostolic ministry like ours is a priestly commission and because priesthood is for a lifetime, his (Oyedepo) presidency and priesthood is for a lifetime. “Moses, Joshua, Aaron ministered and his son also did; Elijah, Elisha and Paul, among others.".

https://www.nairaland.com/3881001/bishop-oyedepo-church-taxation-successor

http://dailypost.ng/2016/01/10/oyedepo-has-not-retired-winners-chapel/

Oyedepo who taught that succession by the new testament order, isn't by inheritance, is now teaching that it's now after the order of Aaron priesthood (hereditary).

In that mandate, that oyedepo said is not subject to review till 50 years, is the command that his successor shall be named by God. Now, how shall God do this?

This is how; in few years to come, the two sons of oyedepo, who are at this time, are as powerful as oyedepo himself, would have become absolutely powerful. Most of the co-founders with oyedepo, would have become very old, possibly dead, disillusioned or out of the church.

And when oyedepo eventually become infirmed or dead, one of the sons would have become God (ye are gods Ps 82 vs 6) and his voice shall be the voice of God according to the mandate.

This is the acts of manipulation, oppression, extortion and robbery by bishop oyedepo.

IbnIbrahim:
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I think of what would have happened to me if the likes of Professor Aken’ova and her team of young doctors were not available that night in December 2002. Your guess is as good as mine. So today, I ask that Nigeria must act, lest she becomes a land without doctors[/b]


https://hotproforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1257&p=1781#p1781

Lolz..... Perplexity induced specious gist!

*when doctors are being produced by almost all glorified secondary schools (medical school)?

*when doctors are surplus, that some are willing to do house job for free because no placement and two years post graduation?

*when doctors are willing to take 20k for locum?

*when Pakistans, Indians etc have taken over the west like water cover the sea?

*when qualifying exams in the west, keep introducing knock off requirements almost at eye blink?

Don't over estimate that MBBS certificate, so you don't get asphysiated by erroneous thoughts.

Daviddson:


I think the reason atheists do this is to attempt to wipe off the water and nudge of authenticity they have about the uniqueness of Christ/Christianity amongst other religions.

The Jesus with the following attributes:

*virgin birth
*walked on water
*worked miracle
*died and resurrected

Is a myth.

If it ever come to a time, that all pastors in Nigeria, fall on their knees in confession of their fraudulent acts and EXTORTION by MANIPULATION, only bishop oyedepo will be left. He will rather die, than repent.

The atheistic thoughts is really watering down God-idea to what it's - jokes

NwaAmaikpe:


This is nostalgic. History is repeating itself.
This was just how Pastor Patrick Anwuzia's Zoe Ministry's bow-leg began.

Anwuzia lives in Benin city now, just grappling in a beggarly manner.

bennyann:


GGood day sir.

Because you say 'mère imagination', I'm not encouraged to speak further. Your conclusion isn't scientific at all.

This thread is an intelligent killing one for the too knows.

My conclusion is based on mere logical thinking. Your Bible confirmed that it takes grand and self inflicted idiocy, to believe what is written therein.

bennyann:
This thread (seem) senseless from the start but going through, the atheists just got served. I don't think they have the right to keep asking theists for proof of God's existence if a mere human in the person of seun can't prove his existence to his forum members other than through his creation nairaland.

Kikikikikikiki..... In 2018, you haven't yet understood the distinction between ESTABLISHED FACT and MERE IMAGINATION.

God idea is really a brain(intelligence) killing one. Do you really need a prove of his existence, in the fashion that you request here?

Niflheim:
@akintom,


Wow!!! This your post has just proven that "Faith" and "Insanity" are both different ends of the same snake!!!

What kind of delusional and empty talk are they teaching people in churches nowadays?

You can say that again.

superhumanist:

I thought you left nairaland

nope. Still much around.

superhumanist:

Whats up?

am good.

Omooba77:
One of the Greatest Truth I discovered over time is that the best of men are nothing but wrags and vanity. As for me I know without God Iam nothing; but I dont know about you? Happy Annual Thanksgiving to All Redeemites!

Did you also discover the "Greatest truth", that with your mentally engraved Yahweh, you're also "wrags (you meant rags) and vanity"?

You sure do experience all that folks, that don't know your God experience.

Did you drive your car, on empty tank during the fuel scarcity? Even though Adeboye claimed he did once upon a time.

You're something, that continues to dance around with illusions.

dalaman:


Pls stop tagging me in any post that has to do with sciencewatchhhhhhhhhh. I don't read his post, I can't read his post and I will never read any of his post.

Many times he tries to get my attention by replying to many of my post that are not directed at him. Once I get any mention and I see its from him, I don't read the post. I will never read anything from him. If only he knows that I don't read anything from him, he'll stop responding to my post that are never directed at him, but he can continue wasting his time. I will never read anything from him.

How i wish you can do same, about that lunatic called butterflylion. You and that idiot sometime take two pages on a thread.
How you cope with such irritant, marvels me.

petra1:


Wrong!
the natural man is the man that doesn't believe in God.

psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

.

The existence of man is natural. A natural man, who now think and behave in manner that claims "supernatural", is either a fool or delusional.

petra1:


your problem is not with Chris oyakhilome but with the bible and God right?

1Corinthians 1:4
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Your admittance of foolishness, has never been a cause of contention, that you know.

To the rational and intelligent minds, your claims to imaginary and illusionary ideas as real, is pure foolishness.

That verse of Bible, actually called you Christians, fools. If you understand comprehension in English.

goliver:
Op, that is my man of God. Jesus Christ healed the sick with supernatural power, but yet he was only a man. He gets tired, he sleeps, he gets hungry, he eats. U don't change the balance of nature with unnecessary supernatural act wen there are others that don't share your believe in the world we all live in. SUPERNATURAL POWERS HAVE RULES, IT IS NOT TO BE ABUSED.
May God Almighty grant u spiritual wisdom

You need earthly wisdom seriously..... If anything called "supernatural" exist, it shouldn't be LIMITED by "natural" laws.

"spiritual wisdom" is illusion amplified to delusion.

May FSM grant you rational sense

thorpido:
So the Op's foolishness is 'supernatural'?

They speak ill of the things they do not understand.....Jude 1:10

The act of believing and defending illusions, by Christians, can only be classified as "supernatural" foolishness, realistically.

Especially when you "understand", how talking to yourself(prayer) will heal cancer.

In the spirit of reciprocity and felicitation, i sent a new year greetings to a friend, below is the response i got���

* Welcome to *2018 the year of the supernatural*

*#1. Supernatural supply*
*#2. Supernatural strength*
*#3. Supernatural abilities*
*#4. Supernatural insight*
*#5. Supernatural wisdom*
*#6. Supernatural knowledge*
*#7. Supernatural health*
Hallelujah Glory to God.
�������

But a quick check of the meaning of supernatural, showed ���

Supernatural

1. of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.

2. direct influence or action of a God/deity on earthly affairs.

Going by the illusion, sold to these folks by Chris Oyakhilome, and if they really want to prove if Yahweh does anything close to "supernatural", the following should be their realities:

#1. They will get services and goods without paying for them
#2. They will work 100hrs and not be tired
#3. They will fly without aircraft, snap fingers and get money etc
#4. They will know cure for cancer without research
#5. They will have experience without observation/knowledge
#6. They will know things without learning
#7. They will never be ill or dead

Pathetically, they believe these illusions with ridiculous assurance, that will daze an in-patient at mental homes.

#epihanic

enshy:
Happy New Year!!!

same to you, servant of Yahweh

Partnerbiz3:
They will push it to fp now.


Let me park here first

Of course, Seun and lalasticlala are members of chosen..

...... Could you tell us how the idea of the apron which your members wear, came about?

I would say that the inspiration for that apron came from God. At a point in Lagos pasting of posters and hanging of banners were outlawed. And it became a serious challenge for us to evangelise and publicize God’s messages. Fortunately, in one of my visits to Imo State then, I saw many people wearing T-shirts of their party’s Senatorial and House of Representative candidates. And, on the shirts, I could see the politician’s photographs boldly printed. When, I returned, I concluded that if those people could wear such shirts for political campaigns without minding, why not we design something and wear to spread the gospel further. So, in one of our workers meetings, I told them that we have to wear the apron, since there was no other means of advertising our ministry, except hand bills or going round. Thereafter, we brought the idea of buying buses, and we had almost 100 pieces of them. So, with the buses and apron we had a breakthrough in evangelism.

When you introduced it, what was the reaction of the people to the apron?

Obviously, we were mocked and cajoled. Some saw us as frustrated people who wear apron up and down, but we did not bother because we knew what was behind the idea. The truth remains that after all were said against the apron, today it has come to stay and has become the identity of the Lord’s Chosen all over the world. Many churches that mocked us are now making use of it in different ways and colours.

Is it true that armed robbers bullets’ do not affect anyone wearing the apron?

I can tell you that we have the faith and it works. Our members wear it anywhere round the world, both in aircraft, and when robbers attack, God who gave us the inspiration, will protect them. Besides, the apron does other things. For instance, someone who was remanded in prison, wore it to court and was instantly discharged and acquitted. In fact, God magnified the apron because he was the one who gave us the inspiration. One would be surprised that he will have a problem if he or she attacks anyone wearing apron because it is meant to advertise the programmes of God and lift up the name of Jesus Christ. And, it is really serving the purpose.


http://naijachurchnews.com/lords-chosen-members-wear-apron-muoka-reveals/

abeeee:
I don't follow the Grail message.......... you just ignorant

It's obvious you're proudly empty, from the direction your thinking is tilted.

abeeee:
only if you knew.........

the gibberish that grail message feeds you bah?

Freiburger:


The OP got me laughing when he referred to our politicians as karma free individuals.
Ever wonder how these people sleeps at night? Many of them are walking dead. They don't owe you any explanation, so why should you know about their plight? A deeper look at them speaks much of what I'm talking about.

It's obvious that you're pained, that you can't do anything about the hurts you have suffered, from the direct or indirect actions of folks around you. The very reason you're ridiculously fixated on illusion of karma.

Can you state clearly here, the "karma" that Gen Sani Abacha or his family members got?

Freiburger:

Why not have a personal experience on it before coming here to fight? How ridiculous...

Start with your experience of karma, then your posturing will have a semblance of sense.

frank317:
I go with capslocks thinking ...


Coolusername also made some valid points.

Nice topic Akin.

I dont believe karma is real... juat some man made bulshit which many religious folks believe in as usual without thinking it through.

What many people call karma is just a result of their own self fulfulilled prephecy. Example.. when a friend does evil to us(say molest our loving child) and we are helpless to retaliate, we so desire they get hurt too bad that we begin to wish bad on them too, we wish bad on them to the extent we wish some invisible force(god, nature, karma, even devil) could help us give them the pain they deserve for hurting us. Infact we end up beilving that this force will fight for us.

This is nothing but an unconsious prophescy that evil will befall them.

Because we are already expecting evil on them, any normal unfortunate even that happens to such individual, say he lost his job or had an accident, we quickly hold unto it and conclude that karma has eventually caught up on such individual... but this is just our mind playing tricks on us and telling us we have gotten the justice we deserve. Its just a self fullfilled prophecy.

At the end of the day... it has its only soothing psychological effect that helps us go through some pains. Its a coping mechanism and thats why most people will argue that karma exists... because without it they feel all alone and powerless.

Its kind of comforting to feel nature or God is fighting for u... ever wonder why butterflylion will insult u when u say his God does not exist? He cannot afford to handle feeling alone.

Beautiful contribution.

abeeee:
most of the people here are so ignorant and unenlightened that's why they say things like""politicians do evil and some don't get to pay.........some people good and they get evil in return" ..........the thing is........... reincarnation is real and sometimes we get to pay later.............that's why some people are born.........and things just work for them without stress..........but some face a lot of problems before getting any good results...........so karma is as real as death

Your enlightenment is induced by grail message. And how you think that grail makes rational sense, really defined your enlightenment value.