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vaxx:
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Do you understand it now?

The erroneous definition of atheism, is largely responsible for the conflict of thoughts, When it comes to perceptive expectations from persons labeled as atheist.

Really, nobody can be called an atheist. Because that would suggest a philosophical or ideological or conceptual entity.

The "RESPONSE" to the UNSUBSTANTIATED claims of existence of Gods, is what originated the label - atheist.

Since atheistic "response", isn't ideological nor conceptual nor philosophical, the "responder" can't have existential status.

So, someone can hold atheistic response, but infirmed of decency, reason and empathy in relating with other aspects of life.

My opinion!

vaxx:
you can teach me pls...

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vaxx:
How those the uncertainty disconnect the first premises.... Identify it bro....I Wanner see the sketch...

Haven seen the delivery of your baby, will you still be seen as connected with reality, if you turn to your wife and ask - did we have this baby via pregnancy?

vaxx:
lol let roll.....


Sure the above explanation is simple...and that is why I brought it...

Your second paragraphs....

How those the uncertainty disconnect the first premises.... Identify it bro....I Wanner see the sketch...


Third paragraph...

Yes and that is why i agree my external cause are my parent...without them I will not be here and likewise without their parent , they will not be here....just on Long chain....till the stage it will reach a line that an object will not be bound by the theory....which will mean from process to process...


Fourth paragraph

I still don't get your argument...how is the premises diffrent ....?


Fifth paragraph

You are contigent because your chances of existence is by chance...your reproductive cause might not have existed ....and if by chance , they are not in existence.... Your as a person will not be in existence...



The last two paragraph


The theory can't bound the external cause.....something must have been necessary.. The process that is necessary can share similar character with contingent being... It is impossible..


The question can really arise and that is what I did....the rational ingerident of the argument as also been apply

The muddled style of your reply, makes comprehension difficult for me. You can learn how to reply per paragraph.

vaxx:
brilliant analogy....


But let me compile it...assuming, I was arrested by the security and charge to court for entering the white house without an authourization...

What question do you the think the security that got me arrested or the prosecutor who is handling my case will ask first?. Who are you or how do you get your self here? Be realistic....

Am sure your best answer will be the former...who are you may save you from how do you get here... Your identity matter... An undercover security that find himself in the white house can easily bypass the question how do you get here....
Hope am cleared..

Your additional scene is deflective and irrelevant to the OP. You shouldn't be seen to be derailing your thread. That will amount to gunning for argument without "an" argument.

I'm AWARE of a physical universe, that i wish to know its origin. Just the same way, that you woke up to find yourself at the gate of Whitehouse. That's the take off point.

Logically, the first step in my wish to know how the physical universe came about, will be STEP-HOW and not STEP-WHO.

Therefore, the OP failed logical test.

vaxx:
I am a contingent (subject to chance)and likewise you... I could easily have failed to exist, in fact ,at one time, I did not exist, and in the future , I will cease existing, that proves I am not necessary...
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The above is simplistic to rational thinking.

vaxx:
If so there must have been a cause of my existence , MAY BE MY PARENTS who brought me into existence right....
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The uncertain expression above, shows a mind disconnected from the first premise of intended argument.

Haven established the obvious basis of contingent existence, from where comes the uncertainty of "there must have been a cause" and "may be my parents....."?

vaxx:
Likewise the physical universe we are is also contingent.... Therefore for the physical world to also be contingent, it need an external cause just like I do..
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For mutual logical argument, to hold true for two separate events, the premises must be the same.

I'm contingent because my reproductive cause, is known and compatible.

"likewise" connotes the "know", that the cause of the universe is evidential and compatible. This is silly assumption. Because such conclusion has no basis in logic.

vaxx:
So who is the external cause.....

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This question can't arise, because the basis for arriving at "an external cause" has no logical or rational ingredients.

vaxx:
Who before how should start the premises and not how before who....that is more logical...
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Hmmmmm..... If you wake up one morning, you stepped out of your room, and you found yourself at the gate of Whitehouse in W/DC. Haven slept off in your room here in Nigeria, the night before.

1. Your question will be WHO made this happened? Or

2. HOW did this happen?

vaxx:
My parent are not me...we are different entity..I require my parent to exist but my parents do not not require me to exist



The same logic is use with the universe... The physical universe has an external cause.. This external cause do not require the universe to exist but the universe require the external cause to exist....
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Likewise, your parents required their parents to have existed. Your parents aren't your EXTERNAL cause, they're your REPRODUCTIVE cause.

External cause, is a mythological gist of cosmology of different cultures of the world. The traditional religion of Jews (Judeo-Christianity) inclusive.

External cause assumption, is a faulty premise, that emanated from asking the "who", instead of "how" life began.

https://www.nairaland.com/3967568/atheism-dummies


It's grand error, to think that there exist, an entity called atheist.
An Atheist, is a debater, a conversationist, and a "discussionist".

Beyond what he/she says, after participation in the subject matter of "claims of existence of Gods", an atheist ceases to exist.

As long as the subject matter isn't CLAIMS of existence of Gods, atheists don't exist.

Essentially, atheism has no conceptual, ideological or philosophical pinnings. Therefore, it presents no basis for qualification.

No one takes title of "an Awitch", on the basis of rejecting claims of existence of witches.

Whatever you call my response, to any of your unfounded claims, is your own creation, and certainly not mine.

The theists, especially the Christians who have read over time, the atheistic responses to the religious assumptions, have either gradually become skeptics or all together stopped reading, because they fear that they may get disillusioned and reject the idea of Yahweh.

But few in this section, have become chronically deluded, that they had to either change moniker or creat hydra-moniker or maintain their odious moniker. All in attempt to give the impression, that they are impervious to reason and rationality.

sinceraconcept:
the parents of the girl only want to push the blame on the guy only. the girl seduced him,his is what most girls do to repairers,artisans,electrician,mechanics,etc that come visiting,I have them as friends. the parents were not around,the girl seduced him,he was panshing and the parents came in,caught them and the girl quickly turned it to rape after enjoying the banana. no sane repairer would rape someone at a home he never visits and just start raping like that when anybody could come= in and he's even a thermocool worker that could be traced at any time. this is not rape joor,it's consensual

The hole in your thinking, will give passage to Dangote's trailer. Consensual you said? But it was "home he never visited", according to you.

So, the allegedly raped girl, was running a hyper-nymphomaniac fever, when the pervert came into the house.

If this had happened to a girl that touches you personally, i suppose you'll still spew same ill thought.

THT80:
Atheists however are faced with a series of moral problems. Since they aren't accountable to any set of divine moral principles, on what basis are they to define an action as right or wrong?
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It's a mockery of human sensibility, to require the primitive, mostly injurious, malicious and anachronistic rules, fictitiously claimed to have been given, by the god (Yahweh) of desert dwelling Jews.

CeterisXVII:
May God forgive you and give you understanding in Jesus name.

may FSM baptise you into the mystery of Reason and intelligence.

Horrific fear, can significantly induce perplexity in the minds of folks, who are maladjusted to realities of human existence.

The perplexity becomes very obvious, when the illogical aspect of decision to embrace absurdities, in an attempt to explain coincidence, gets bandied, like the video posted here.

Were there no Jesus adherents, among the killed?

Are there no skeptics among the survivors, who still remain skeptics now?

OP will certainly now more than ever before, earnestly pray and wish, that more horrific incidents happen, so that those who bullshit Yahweh and Jesus, will have a rethink.

Pathetic lots.

CeterisXVII:
Guy, it was God that saved him. This was the same way they said the Titanic was unsinkable years ago. What happened at the end of the day?

It's obvious that Yahweh was asleep and snoring, when pastor Bimbo and Munroe perished in aircraft accident.

Another name of Bishop Oyedepo, is Bishop of manipulation.

hopefulLandlord:
StupidThreadNominated

don't mind those words, it would serve as a code for collating votes in December

Stupid isn't appropriately descriptive, of what now plagues most Christians on NL. A rabid delusion, symptomatic of an apologist, who's suffering from terminal exhaustion will do.

Business scam

Papiikush:
Good for you bro.

I'll just have to give it to you straightforward.

YOU WERE JUST FORTUNATE.

Trust me...Do you know how many graduates we have out here seeking for just primary one class teacher?

1. You mentioned the private school as a standard one with huge pays and other SIDE ATTRACTIONS

2. You worked as a PA to the supervisor. Tell me dude, how many people had this opportunity (don't give me the bullshìt about you being the most brilliant amongst your colleagues, we know say na lie)

3. Due to the position (PA to a LCDA supervisor) that you were, you had the opportunity to create "connections" for yourself which also brought you to this stage.

Why don't you go to lower states like Ekiti state when you resigned? Your suffering go long pass John in the wilderness.

Guy no come dey Bobo us with all these bullshìt "I did this and that" we all know you were just fortunate to be in that position. There are people out here praying to get those kindda privileges.

Story with zero morals... Just another Nigga bragging.

#Drops pen.

You made complete wrong and defeatist deductions from the life story.

Life is a summation of choices. As you make those choices, OPPORTUNITIES in the garments of LUCK and DIFFICULTIES will characterise your choices.

It's up to you, to maximize your luck or squander it. You can also breakdown and moan your difficulties, or stand up to them and triumph.

Entitlement mentality, is a disgusting excuse for failure.

GodsMopol:


I always stand with Yahweh

My point is, if God made us from clay, then Yahweh can make legs out of clay too, and that would heal an amputee legs. Too good to be true right. Yahweh created heaven and earth, and all that's in it. What will it then take Him to turn sand to flesh, seeing that's what the Bible said about creation.

Too bad for Yahweh, it can't do any of this your illusionary expectations.

GodsMopol:
Ezekiel, we all know made bones to join to its bones in the valley of dry bone.

Jesus spat on the sand, mixed with a little saliva and an eye was birthed.

Elijah called fire from heaven to burn the wood, the stones and the sacrifice..

Moses rod became *

But at creation, God took clay, mudded it, and breath on it, and it became flesh

So, how do you heal an amputee, faith without works is dead

Mud some sand, bring the guys leg to it, lay hands and let the dry bones live

Are you no longer one of the Yahwehs? You just ridiculed the nazarene cum Yahweh here.

bloodofthelamb:
WHERE DID THE MATERIAL WORLD CAME FROM?

Do you understand the post? Can you make any of immaterial object, to cause effect in material sphere?

JackBizzle:
Sciencewatch the derailer

That entity has got a perfectly derailed brain.

The Christians are so self deluded, that they never stop themselves in the track, and ask, if they can ever bring any immaterial object, to cause any effect, in the material world.

Unfortunately, the gullible and Yahweh infested minds, continue to feed the greed of conmen.

hahn:
I have missed you na

Haaa..... Bro, been off commenting on posts for a while now, i just read few that bears lining of intelligence.

But i was back few days ago, to chain that rogue called flylion

hahn:
And where the hell have you been?

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Cc:Seun

It's happening.....

PrecisionFx:
Nothing.

If indeed the Christians will fly off, it will be a good riddance to bad rubbish, in our world.

HiddenManna:
Funny guy.

Better left unanswered

Nevertheless. . .

Don't worry, when you're born again and have received Christ, you would not miss the rapture, because you'll also experience it yourself. . .

You should have known, that my OP is a mixture of satire and sarcasm. God idea is simply a joke taken to far.

Born again? That's a pure self delusion. You're you yesterday, today and till death.

butterflylion,

When you came to my thread, and you started fingering your rear orifice, i knew you were about to climax, in clouds of criminal conviction.

No matter how ebolo is washed, ebolo must smell egbe. It's the character you are made of. Evans trait is obvious.