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mrmrmister:
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Atheists vs Theists debates.

They don't end, they just keep going back and forth like ping pong.

I have come to discover that most atheists and theists on this section are not being honest.
You guys don't argue with open minds, you just do it for "who the hell knows why"

SMH for y'all. [/color]

onyenze123:
What is the atheistic views? (I know the scientific propositions)

akintom:
1 Thessalonians 5:21(BBE)

Let all things be tested; keep to what is good;


1 Thessalonians 5:21(KJV)

prove all things; hold fast that which is good;

Of course, the stimulus of the pathologic rage of Christians, is the cognitive dissonance, which is secondary to the conflicting verses in the Bible.

This condition is further complicated, by their intellectual dishonesty and arrogance.

CatfishBilly:
You mean a brain that sleeps?

MZLady39:
Brother,
Because God is Omniscient....and knew the choices that Judas, Pharoah, & Esau would make doesn't by any means mean that He pre-destined their fates or took away their choice.

MZLady39:
I'll have to comr back with the specific bible verses, but each of the men chose to continue down paths that separated them from God until there was no more grace to pardon. Sin was nurtured (in various forms such as greed & pride), so much until the voice of God was shut out.

MZLady39:
God always gives multiple chances for people to choose a relationship with Him.
But He will never force it.

MZLady39:
While we are pre-destined to have a certain set of parents, belong to a certain ethnic group, or be born in a certain country....it's not the case for salvation.
I don't believe in pre-destination when it comes to sasalvation. I believe a person always has a choice.

onyenze123:
Even atheists rage when Christians demand proof.

You say "the universe came from nothing", prove it

hopefulLandlord:
the one and only true God who created everything, full name is Flying Spaghetti Monster and there are proof that this God is real, you can ask for proof if in doubt and I'll give them to you

all glory to FSM

onyenze123:
What is FSM?

MZLady39:
Beautifully, beautifully written brother...
God has NEVER nor will EVER take away someone's choice/free-will.
What God would I be serving who would do that?

CatfishBilly:
My people can't detect sarcasm, even if it's sitting on their nose and pricking them with a pitchfork

hahn:
The quack doctor himself

adepeter26:
Cc wilgrea7, Hahn, jonnydon22, akintom, ifenes

aminusanti:
are u asking to know or u are just mocking around??

aminusanti:
Get to know the difference.. let me help u out of ur ignorance..

* Quran = Word of God Almighty through the prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) (Error free)
* Hadith (Report) = Each hadith consists of two parts, the isnad (Arabic: 'support'), or the chain of transmitters through which a scholar traced the matn, or text, of a hadith back to the Prophet. Individual hadith are classified by Muslim clerics and jurists as sahih ("authentic", hasan ("good" or da'if ("weak".

Yes you can find errors in the weak hadith dat arent corresponding with the Quran which is a straight forward thing unlike your man made book (bible)that consist of all in one, men, prophet, historians, archeologists, etc and you are all saying they were inspired and why you can get endless errors and contradictions in it.
If you really want to know the words of jesus (word of God) go and read red letter bible.

akintom:
Prayer

Prayer (from the Latin precari "to ask earnestly, beg, entreat" is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication.

Prayer can be a form of religious practice , may be either individual or communal and take place in public or in private. It may involve the use of words, song or complete silence. When language is used, prayer may take the form of a hymn , incantation, formal creedal statement, or a spontaneous utterance in the praying person.

There are different forms of prayer such as petitionary prayer, prayers of supplication, thanksgiving, and praise. Prayer may be directed towards a deity , spirit, deceased person, or lofty idea, for the purpose of worshipping, requesting guidance , requesting assistance, confessing transgressions ( sins) or to express one's thoughts and emotions.

Thus, people pray for many reasons such as personal benefit, asking for divine grace , spiritual connection, or for the sake of others.
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Back in the days, in school, it was common to pray for examination success in this format:

* We prayed for spirit of understanding,
* retentive memory,
* anoint pen and fingers,
* command the lecturer to come under the influence of the Holy Spirit,
* bind the spirit of forgetfulness,
* bind the spirit behind lost answer booklet,
* bind the spirit of error etc

Now, i look back on those days of religious idiocy, and can't but chuckle, and ask myself - what was that crap!

Prayer is such an arrant gibberish, that portrays those who practice it, as someone beside themselves.

Prayer is variant of soliloquizing, with a significant characteristics of schizophrenia, dementia and delusion.

If not,

* how can someone be asking for retentive memory, when the memory is known to function that way normally?

* How can someone be praying to God of fertility, when the land will naturally be fertile?

* How can someone be praying for a job, when the process of employment is known?

* How can someone be praying for success, when the principles that govern success is known?

* How can someone be praying for good governance, when that responsibility rest on the leaders and followers?

It's a pitiable site to behold, when folks, alone or congregate to waste their time and energy, by indulging in:
*shouting,
*crying,
* moaning,
*hysteria,
*shaking of head, hand etc

All for nothing. Other than for the purpose of religious self fooling.

akintom:
Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent (2)

In the first part of this series, I had established the fact that, religious beliefs are founded on and thrives on the concept of "original sin".

Purpose of this piece is to expose this concept as a negative psychological tool, employed by the obscurantists of God idea, to hold humans bound to religious slavery. It's unfortunate, that the captives of religion, are unaware of the obscurantic mechanism that is at work.

If a God can make you accept eternal guilt consciousness, that results from a sin that is not connected to your personal irresponsibility, then you can be held forever at the mercy of such a God.

There's a principle in theology, this principle is the foundation on which the idea of the transcendency of God beyond the definition of good and evil is built. I paraphrase it as - "privileged revelation of an infinite God". By this principle, theologians says that there's nothing known or can be known, except that which God choose to reveal by himself, to whom he chooses, and at the time he chooses.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

How does this relate to the concept of original sin?

The generational twist to the judgement of original sin, is also as unfounded as the alleged commission of the original sin.

1. Sin and its judgment is generational (first revelation of God on sin idea)

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the children's children, to the third and to the fourth generation.


2. Sin and its judgment is not generational (second revelation of God on sin idea)

Ezekiel 18:1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying,
Ezekiel 18:2 What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Ezekiel 18:3 As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

According to theologians again, if the second revelation on the same idea (sin) conflicts the first one, the second revelation, becomes Supreme, and automatically becomes the final word of God, on the idea.

Based on this principle, THE JUDGMENT OF ORIGINAL SIN CAN'T HAVE EFFECT BEYOND ADAM AND EVE.

Based on logic also, if two statements contradict each other on an idea, the two statements can't define the idea truly.


Haggai 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, said the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, said the LORD of hosts.

The later/second revelation of God on sin/judgment idea, is greater than the former/first revelation.


Conclusion:
the generational imputation of the judgment of the original sin (eternal guilt consciousness), can't be established biblically. There's no biblical basis for sin and guilt, therefore, there's is no need for forgiveness from any fictitious God.

akintom:
CONCEPT OF ORIGINAL SIN IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED, SKEWED AND FRAUDULENT(1)

The concept of "eternal guilt" (original sin) is common to all religions of the world, although in a varied narration.

This concept is an unnecessary and destructive causative idea of psychological condition (eternal guilt consciousness), that must be prevented and cured, with doses of rational and critical thinking.

Using the textbook of one of the Abrahamic religions, the fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent basis of original sin can be unravelled.

Though the book falsely claimed that God created man as a free moral being, but there's no evidence to back this up in the bible.

Free moral being, connote that man have innate sense of morality (the dichotomous of good and evil), as defined by the culture of the society they live in.

*Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If man MUST not "eat" (acquire) the innate sense and ability to KNOW and DO good and evil, how is man a free moral being then? according to biblical claims.

The unjust and baseless imputation of guilt by God idea on man, can only occur in badly cast set of a fictional movie.

Assuming the story is practicable, the exercise of free will by Adam and Eve, is just an evolvement of man to be more like God.

Didn't God say:

*Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
*Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
×Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Since God himself is both good and evil personified and does both good and evil, while will he have to find man GUILTY for the reason that man only evolved to be like him. God himself said:

*Matthew 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Man only perfected his free moral will, just as God himself. The action of God idea, that imputed guilt on man for this exercise of free will, can be likened to the judgment of Supreme Court judge on a young man who is INNOCENT of murder case.

Judgement: I hereby find you guilty of murder of "exercise of free will", you shall be shall be killed by electrocution, but this electrocution shall not be carried out until you turn 95 years old in the maximum prison, in case you die before then, your corpse shall be burnt to ashes. BUT, if you admit before me NOW, that you committed the murder, is shall set you free, as discharged and acquitted.

This you will say is ridiculous and irrational. That's exactly the meaning of the concept of original sin.

darichlife:
Mr Atheist I Want to have a simple debate with you.
I want the world richest atheists to come together and achieve this feat.

1. Create A Fly with a it's complete metamorphosis
2. Create a Fish with it's Complete Metamorphosis
3. Create a Bird with it's Complete Metamorphosis.
4. Create a Rat with it's Completes Metamorphosis.

If you all achieve this feat I will worship you all as my new God.

Instruction: Please don't use any material from earth it all belongs to my own God who created something out of nothing according to my believe and experience.

AirFireEarthH20:
Sen. Shehu Sani together with Late Chief Gani Fawehinmi and other pro-democracy activists were arrested, beaten, jailed and some killed for fighting for the masses and restoration of democracy. But today, if Shehu Sani has any small issue with Hell rufai who was unknown and nowhere to found during the struggle, Yorubas will abuse Sani and hail Hell rufai who doesn't even like them. Hell rufai even abused Tinubu recently but they kept quiet.

I'm very sure if Chief Gani Fawehimi was alive and kicked against buhari because of his nepotism, bigotry and incompetence, Yorubas would have abuse him, call him a wailer and corrupt.

May God bless Ayo Fayose.

May God continue to bless Chief Gani Fawehimi in heaven

MZLady39:
Naw, naw, naw.....
I didn't presume you'd flirt regardless of your marital status. I was saying that be because if you don't believe in God...then surely He didn't join you in Holy matrimony with your wife.
But maybe you were married before becoming a free-thinker. Even still, you've erased His existence...and all that comes with it.
That's fine to elect privacy. Thought you were based on a thread I read.
Actually I didn't know that. I actually thought it was a concept that allowed for anything....such as Aleister Crowley's, "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" or rather.
Where do you guys build your moral basis from?

MZLady39:
Brilliant... always flipping the questions back to me..while never answering ones directed to you sir.
Deflection perhaps?
If I'm assuming too much, then clear me up...

MZLady39:
Man-Woman coming together in Holy matrimony...
Well I thought I read somewhere that you were married.
Ohhhh....oops....forgot that you don't look at marriage as a holy institution....which would then change everything....

MZLady39:
Definitely not "sin loving" dudes....
The two can't co-exist peacefully.
They'll always be friction somewhere.
Kissing per se is not a sin. It moreso has to guarding the avenues of the heart. Trying to avoid temptation as much as possible before marriage.
Cause once doors have been opened, it becomes very difficult (but not impossible) to stop.
Sir...just wondering...
How does this affect a married "free-thinker" as yourself?

Sorry I had to go there.

christainslove:
You can kiss many frogs before your Prince Charming?
This saying is just like when they told the emperor who was naked that he was wearing clothes only the wise could see until a boy pointed out that he was naked.
It is a sin to tell a girl she has to kiss even one guy before she marries.
It is not all things commonly said that are wise. Every girl deserves to have her first kiss on her wedding day when the pastor says “You may now kiss the bride”.
I Timothy 5- Treat younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.

Do you understand what this means? It means even kissing before marriage is a sin. It is a commandment and the Bible says- Love God and keeps his commandments.
Don’t be fooled by guys that say “if you truly love me, you would sleep with me”. Let me spell it out for you. They are trying to trick you into sleeping with them when they don’t really love you. A guy who truly loves you will wait till marriage.
We can resist Satan temptation with the Word of God and prayer. Ephesians 5:26- Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.
This means the true love of our life will be willing to die for you, and would never push you to do something you don’t want.
Satan tempts you to kiss someone before marriage-You resist with-I will treat her like my own sister

muhammadmuqtar:
May I ask if it was only christians these evil group butchered? did you know the estimation of mosques that were bombed? or should i go mentioning names of imam that were buried alive? of course this will occupy the whole page. This is just a camouflage, no religion ever preach terrorism and as a matter of fact this is a crystal proof that they do not belong to islamic community.
let me ask this question, will you be pleased if you are asked not obey the GOD who created you? so also the ban of veils is as being asked to go against His order and at the same time violating the human right section 38 and 42 stated in the 1999 constitution.

lets wage war against religious intolerance, it will be of benefit if we can be our brothers keeper. NO religion ever preach terrorism. Rights Of Every Nigerians Must Be Sustained. Thanks for your reply,i appreciate your fanatism.

princecharles100:
The founder of Jesus Dominion international church pastor Tim Omotoso is in a very big trouble and really needs our prayers,,, the South African police force is looking for him after a case of was opened against him by a young girl who is believed is a member of his church,,, the South African police stated that a case of sexually assault was opened,,, please let's all ask for God's mercy and grace upon his life,, Satan is a Lier

Junia:
No Christian is a sinner. Sinners are those who havrnt received Christ and are still living in sin.

Believing in Christ gives everyone the opportunity to go to Heaven

And if you can read well, you will just realise you didnt understand what you posted.

Did the scriptures say no Christian should go to the hospital ?

felixomor:
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

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Going by your ignorance, I guess the Apostle Paul must have also sinned by advising Timothy as above.

May the Lord deliver you from the demons that are interpreting your bible inside your mind.

Amen.