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felixomor:
U r still not making sense.

So because people use science to make bombs,
We can as well conclude that science is bad and fake?

You see how your brain works?

You will only be certified to be updated in modern intelligence, as against that of the philistinic sense you are immersed in, only if you can grace this page with ONE BENEFIT of religious beliefs (in this instance, Christian religion).

Daree88:
Which submissn sir?

of Michael Runyan in the OP.

Daree88:
Yes, I am sir, tks.

I presume you have read the thread, what do you make of the submission.

Daree88:
Since both u & I wil die one day, no need to prolong issues, let's see if He wil prove Himself or nt then? Hw are u sir?

Am good. Hope you are too?

Daree88:
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.Ps. 14:1

A schizophrenic claimed he serves a god that can't be proven. Evidence 1:1

felixomor:
All you just said has no fact.
You quote from people like u and then u arrive at conclusions of your own interpretation of events.

Besides, i was waiting for You to directly address my point.
But u couldnt, as expected.

Most of these so called rebuttals of Christianity are only outward rebellious rantings of inner moral decadence.

Nothing more

In the modern society of today, and not in the primitive mental sphere of most Christians, what can be most despicable and corrupt behavior than;

* Christian leaders using the fraudulently collected offerings and tithes, to gratify their obscene opulence.

*Bishops selling fetish materials as "supernatural gadgets", that can protect against normal painful experiences.

* prophets selling illusionary "divine healing", while they escape to the west for better medicare.

* Church leaders colluding with rogues to perpetuate corruption in Nigeria.

All the charades of the Christian groups, have never been this odious.

felixomor:
Young men who simply want to be free in their minds to fornicate.....
Invent lies and say all sorts......

Be healed.
The devil is on you.

I always advise parents to be extra vigilant with the care of their toddlers, around a man who takes every opportunity to sermonize or express repulsive attitude, towards sexual behavior of consenting adults.

Most of them are either pedophiles, psychopaths or sociopaths.

orisa37:
Something that has been defended for over 2000 years by all and sundries? I'm just sorry that your type exists.

Just as a schizophrenic will defend his "sanity", since schizophrenia was first diagnosed over 2000 years ago.

Until a schizophrenic is cured, he never agrees that he's suffering from mental illness.

JackBizzle:
I've never heard of them. Funny.

the full name is - The Lords Chosen Charistmatic Revival Church.

They are dawned weird!

A case study is one representative of them on this forum, with moniker that reads like blog site.

frank317:
I often think sciencewatch is a mad man. He reminds me of all these so called messenger of God who wear long dirty suits with tired shoes with very big haggard Bible, dragging an over decorated truck with bold writings; the world will soon come to an end, REPENT!!
His alternate monicker HOND explains much about his personality. HOND talks about his father sleeping with his wife and being a brave atheists while he foolishly address atheists like his opponents, forgetting he created the handle to claim to be an atheist.
I often feel embarrassed for him.

As for Ebuka, just imagine him in that cheap dirty yellowish green choosen vest. U will understand that he is nothing near normal.i think all choosen people have mental problem... I wish Ebuka quick recovery

On the level of suspicion, if there's any group of Christians who will readily attack the atheists physically, it's the members of chosen church.

The chosen folks appear particularly scary. From the misfit vest, to the incoherent and illusionary gibberish they talk about, one cannot but conclude that there exist, another herd of dangerous folks on the loose.

They strike a reminder of one Rev King and his herd, whenever i see the chosen folks.

truthmans2012:
Still simple.

They knew the location Moses went and died and they believed he was buried in the same location but no one saw his grave.
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If you know that Moses went the direction of the under bridge of Oshodi, in Oshodi and adjacent ilupeju.

* you don't need to BELIEVE Moses died there.

* you can KNOW Moses died there, since you know the exact location Moses went.

* all you need do is go to the location and confirm evidentially.

truthmans2012:
Joshua didn't go with Moses but he knew where he went. It is reasonable for him to believe he had died and buried since he couldn't see him or his grave. Should he have said he saw the grave when he didn't?
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*Assuming you are right, did Joshua go to the this location and didn't see the grave?

* or Joshua still just BELIEVED that he won't find the grave?

truthmans2012:
Please note that at that time, Joshua was not an ordinary man. He was full of knowledge. He was in the position to know things extraordinarily.

*Are you saying that holy ghost told Joshua, the exact words of verse 6?

* or Joshua wrote what he saw?

truthmans2012:
I told you Joshua must have had an idea of where Moses went, which he never came back. Joshua might have probably gone to search for him and couldn't find him, hence he said "no one knew where Moses was buried".

The verse below isn't written in German or Latin oooo


Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.


Eg........ And the Lord buried Moses under Oshodi bridge in the land of Oshodi, over looking ilu-peju: but i wouldn't say no man can locate this landmark.

truthmans2012:
This is very simple.

Moses went up on a mountain and never came back, he died there. Joshua had an idea of his movement to the mountain and where the mountain was. The fact that Moses didn't come back and none saw his grave proves that Joshua himself or any other person knew not where Moses was buried. Therefore Joshua was right to say no one knew his grave.

You are dead wrong to conclude Joshua knew where Moses was buried because he gave account of his dead and burial.

Hmmmmmm.......... You religious folks are just in deadly love, with consciously acquired illusionary syndrome - CAIS.

If joshua didn't see, how did he then gave a precise landmark description?

Kenneth4u205:
ok I will enlighten you on. Deuteronomy comprise of 34 chapters .moses wrote from chapter 1 to 33. after he died ,he's servant,prophet and successor Joshua completed chapter 34 as an epilogue. this chapter 34 that was completed by Joshua is the shortest chapter in the bible(only 12 verse in it).it serve as an introduction to the next book written by Joshua ,which is call the book of JOSHUA.so Deuteronomy was written by moses ,while his servant and successor completed that last chapter ,which is chapter 34. I'm a professor of bible. hit me up on whatsap when ever you are confuse in any area of the bible


+27614955973

Good to know that you are professor of Bible.

If you don't mind, can i debate you on a separate thread?

Topic: the doctrine of "original sin".

soulpeppersoup:
So who guided those that form the denominational doctrines you see as reference?

The mainstream Christian religion agree with the doctrine of original sin. But if you, in your personal interpretation disagrees, say so. And i will want to debate that with you.

If you are game, let me know.

Deuteronomy 34:1 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,

Deuteronomy 34:2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,

Deuteronomy 34:3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.

Deuteronomy 34:4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Deuteronomy 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Deuteronomy 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.


The Christian theology conclude that this very chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, was written by Joshua.

But in an attempt to create an indefensible mystery around Yahweh and his followers, the burial ground of Moses is said to be unknown.

This puerile claim is busted in the very 6 above;

Deuteronomy 34:6 And he (Lord) buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor:

The author of this chapter (Joshua) did see the Lord bury Moses, at this precisely described location.

If not, Joshua wouldn't have been able to document it as such.
But just in the same verse, where Joshua described a precise location, that Moses was buried, Joshua immediately contradicted himself by saying the sentence below;


but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.



* Is Joshua not a man?

* If he's, then he knew where Moses was buried.

* since Joshua too must have servants, that go round with him, they too would have seen the grave of Moses.

This is another confirmation of how badly written, the fictitious story book (Bible) is.

soulpeppersoup:
Can you state better reference on Christianity than they Bible?

That a thing or doctrine is widely accepted, those it make it true?

All references outside the Bible on Christianity are personal opinion.

It's a waste of my time talking with you though

One major inherent evil in being guided by the bible (rhema and logos), voice of god, voice of the Holy Spirit etc, is the fact that any and all kinds of bizzare, harmful, absurd behaviors, can be exhibited by any Tom, dick and Harry, and yet claimed that they are being lead by god.

* pastor gives insecticide to members to drink, yet the pastor claims being under instruction of divine revelation.

* oyedepo slaps and victimized an innocent girl, yet he claimed holyghost is leading him to do it.

* Adeboye said he drove car for hours without fuel, yet under the power of anointing.

* oyakhilome had issues with his wife, he found the bible to claim that women were created for men.

The list is endless.....

Kenneth4u205:
Deuteronomy 34:5-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land
of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And the lord
buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth
Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. 7 Moses
was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. His
eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished.

who's the author of the book of deuteronomy?

Kenneth4u205:
the bible made it clearly that if every actions was recorded, not even the whole earth will be able to contain the size of the bible.the bible is s summary of events that took place.do you think those disciples of Elijah were idiots or fool. they are all prophets who hears from God.they knew that they physical body of Elijah can't ascend to heaven to see God ,even though that they were all present when the chariot of fire took Elijah. they knew that it was Elijah spiritual body that went above,while his physical body was buried somewhere by God as he did to moses body.so the started looking for the body of Elijah. this shows that they understood what really happened .study the bible under the guidance of the holy spirit and he will reveal deep things to you.no contradiction in the Bible. thanks

it's better you Christians learn how to debate intelligently, than exhibit arrogance that's excused on some holy spirit.

Wouldn't it honest of you to base this deduction of yours, as just your personal opinion? Than insisting on unfounded interpretation?

Kenneth4u205:
yes they were searching for the dead body of Elijah. the knew that no one can ascend physically into heaven to see God with this body of flesh .those guys were prophets that understand how God does things. that the didn't see the body does not mean that the body wasn't buried somewhere by God.prophet moses body was also buried by God many years earlier and nobody was able to locate it.by mere reason of the prophets searching for Elijah body shows that the knew that God buried the physical body somewhere. it was the spiritual body of Elijah to went to heaven.it was only Jesus that has ever seen God according to scripture you quoted in john

how did you know that God buried moses?
Which Bible reference said so?

soulpeppersoup:
I don't waste my time with people who see spending time with me as a waste.

Spending time to debate original sin concept (a widely accepted doctrine among the mainstream Christian groups), with someone who either sees himself as an authority in Christian theology or aligns with some deviant Christian groups in doctrine, is a waste of my time.

Intellectual discussion is based on referencing established authority, to support your claims.

And when you make a claim that's based on your personal opinion, you indicate it as such.

I will only debate you when i know basis of your claims.

CAPTIVATOR:
its normal to be curious like you are and asking questions is not a bad thing. But regarding this , there is no contradiction.


what you fail to understand is Elijah went up to heaven doesnt mean Gods abode , it simply refer to the sky . compare Psalm 19:1 where the sky is called Heaven , is it Logical to believe Elijah actually went to God in heaven when there is evidence that he was seen writing a letter to a King years After the event ?

Sky?
Can we have the verse that documented, that Elijah returned to write letters?

The colonialists were able to sell the Jewish Idol easily to Nigerians, for some reasons:

*aesthetics -
the Nigerian gods were housed in dirty and foul smelling shrines.

Compare this to the beautifully decorated Jewish Idol in a furnished space.

* secrecy -
The traditional religion/rituals are shrouded in secrecy and in irrational and morbid fear.

The Jewish Idol had no such.

* human sacrifice -
Imagine the Nigerian gods eating twins.
Imagine Nigerian gods demanding human sacrifice.
All kinds of horrendous practices

The Jewish Idol representative ended all these horrific acts of Nigerian gods.


Why wouldn't the people throw away the Nigerian gods, with the maximum velocity?

Well civilization has made some babalawo to be carrying out divination on laptops now.
Babalawos now use beautifully furnished rooms as shrine now.


Religious beliefs sha!

Kenneth4u205:
no one has ever Gone to heaven physically except Jesus. when Elijah was taken by a chariot of fire ,he's body was transformed to spiritual body on the way before he Got to heaven.the 50 sons of the prophet knew about this transformation. they knew you can't see God physically. the knew that Elijah physical body was discarded on the way to heaven. and that he was given a new heavenly body.that was why the spent 3 days searching for the discarded physical body of Elijah according to 1 kings 2:16-18



1 kings 2:16-18

16 They said to him, “Look, there are fifty capable men with your servants. Let them go and look for your master, for the wind sent from the LORD may have carried him away and dropped him on one of the hills or in one of the valleys.” But Elisha replied, “Don’t send them out.”

17 But they were so insistent, he became embarrassed. So he said, “Send them out.” They sent the fifty men out and they looked for three days, but could not find Elijah.

18 When they came back, Elisha was staying in Jericho. He said to them, “Didn’t I tell you, ‘Don’t go

* you claimed the disciple of Elijah knew that the physical body was shed.

* but in the verses you gave to back your claim, there's no mention or reference to shedding off the physical body.


Did you noticed that?

soulpeppersoup:
The Bible said by one man (Adam) sin came into the world. Men born into the world have since passed unto them by learning.
.

So that i don't waste my time, i will like to know the Christian denomination you align with in doctrine.

Or, is this your personal interpretation?

I need a direct answer to these, so that i can respond appropriately.

soulpeppersoup:
Jesus' blood remit sin men commit and his resurrection infuse in them his life to overcome the sin learned to learn righteousness.

My response to this is dependent on your reply to the above.

soulpeppersoup:
Don't understand what you mean by your last paragraph.

since you're claiming that there's no such doctrine as "original sin" in Christian religion, how did the concept of sin against God came about?

Which necessitated the vicarious death of Jesus.

Jesuobu:
And for some others who acts according to the orders and instructions of their master (the devil) can continue to have fun while they await their unavoidable time of damnation.

Enjoy your day.

It's obvious that you're gladly looking forward to this damnation of the atheists.

It's amusing really, how you now arrogate to yourself, the power of the omniscient judge, sifting the shaft from the wheat on NL.

Well done, the defender of the Jewish Idol AKA Yahweh.

How much has all your "sound teaching", changed you or your likes for better?


Aren't you folks still full of ;

Hate?
Bigotry?
Discrimination?
Curses?
Falsehoods?
Ignorance?
Primitiveness?
Illusions?

You're assuming too much of yourself.

The most pathetic part of this god delusion, of the Yahweh variant, is the romance with the Jewish Idol by Nigerians, in perpetuation of the colonial assault on the belief system of Nigerians.

It's amusing how at this age of easiest access to knowledge, Nigerian Christians will still be rating their traditional gods as idols, wicked, and dark.

While ascribing to the Jewish Idol, the title of God, good and light.

An act depicting a marriage of of absurdity and idiocy.

From the OP, how is Yahweh different from Ogun, Sango, amadioha, etc in act of horrendous wickedness?

Anywayz, it was the primitive men that invented these disgusting god idea, just to authorize and justify their savagery.

NonsoDguru:
I’m a corp. member serving In Nnewi, Anambra. This child (see attached picture) is my neighbor’s kid and she is just 3 years old. Even at this age she has already passed through a lot; her parent thinks she is a witch and the bruises on her face were given to her by her own parents. She gets beaten almost every day and she is malnourished and skinny from starvation. It’s really heartbreaking

This girl, at this age, lives in so much fear of her parents that one day we found her hiding behind the toilet door of the corper’s lodge.

We have talked to her parents, but they still keep beating her up. We are calling on the relevant authorities to come to this girl’s rescue. It is obvious they are trying to gradually kill her. MOD kindly move this to the front page. They live at Nnewi, Anambra. Amichi. NCCF NYSC family house.

Attached to this post is a picture of little Sarah.

If this story is true, then i have the following to say;



All that this corper needed to have done, since he/she noticed this criminal act, was to report it at nearest police station, ministry of women and social development etc.

This can be done through anonymous letter (in case the corper is scared of victimization).


To all reading this, you have the responsibility to stand for the weak and the helpless in the society, just find a way to shoulder that responsibility.

Report anyone dehumanizing or victimizing a child or old woman, on the ground of religious delusion, of witchcraft.

Cheers!

ApostleT:
I hope to read about the definition of the original sin. I once heard some people discussing it on the radio but I do not even understand fully what they were talking about. They were saying is that concept still relevant. So I would talk about that later. I think it refers to the human nature being corrupted and incapable of pleasing God naturally but I am not too sure what the true definition is.

the bible verses below, formed the basis on which the doctrine of original sin is built.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded to many.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.[/quote]

ApostleT:
What's the source for this claims?

As an evangelical Christian I am not familiar with the protestant part of your claims.

You are right that through Adam men became sinners. Evangelicals believe that men will continue to sin in their human nature. The idea that man will stop sinning at any point is not an evangelical doctrine. We believe man is not a sinner because he has committed a sin rather man is commits sins because he's a sinner. Man is however justified through his faith in the finished work of Christ. At conversion God grants the sinner His Holy Spirit who starts to renew his mind and hence his character. Does it mean he will never commit a sin? NO. There are times he will commit sin but each time he/she will be remorseful and more importantly repent. The Christian no longer rejoice in sin. His mind is now changed to the point that he wants to only please God....TBC

* You did agree that Christian religion has a doctrinal position called "original sin"

* You equally agree that Pentecostals reject infant baptism, as an atonement process for regeneration.

* Now, do you agree that infant will go to hell at death, since they are guilty of original sin?

ApostleT:
On the issue of sin.

The big question is can a Christian commit sin? YES the Christian can commit sin. He would not commit sin as a natural thing.


Yet he may commit sin as an unnatural thing. Hence remorse and repentance. but why does 1 John 3:9 say HE CANNOT SIN?




I believe and agree with other Christian interpretation that John is saying that if the believer abides in His new nature HE CANNOT possibly commit SIN



The fact that he has been begotten of God excludes the possibility of his committing sin as an expression of his true character, though actual sins may, and do, occur so far as he fails from weakness to realize his true character. (The Johannine Epistles, p.89)




It's not clear what you mean by normal human



but sin is not about offending a fellow man it is about breaking God's law. Every normal human would naturally revenge especially if they have the power to. However to revenge is to break God's law. Every normal person would probably commit fornication when there is a willing partner. However to commit fornication is to break God's law. And there are many sins a normal person would commit without blinking a eyes or his/her conscience condemning him/her. The idea that a "normal" human knows what to do is to view sin from an exclusively carnal perspective.

My question to both Catholic and Pentecostal group members here, is how they could possibly be relating with the same bible, god and Jesus, based on their fundamentally different doctrinal position, on issue as important as original sin.

You might want to look into that.