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Sinkills:
But a point of correction sir. Pastor Kumuyi and other true men of God do not give orders to members on the issue of doing the will of God. They tell us the truth from the Bible and admonish us to obey for our eternal good.

This is the ignorance of those bound, with the fetters of religious illusions and slavery.

All you need to do is study the "psychology of suggestive control" of the human mind.

The pastors primes your religious minds, to run on auto obedience to instructions. This works even in the cases of most horrific and bizarre cases.

Sinkills:
Since we want to please God and.make heaven, we are duty bound to obey. Where it seems hard to do, we pray for the enabling grace and God gives us same so that we can obey Him.

You guys are already mentally conditioned to do so.

Sinkills:
However, those who feel they cannot do a particular restitution

The concept of restitution, has been nullified in the new testament, by the concept of redemption by faith.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

The above verses speaks of those who will be made leaders in the church.
It's new testament Church standard rule, to ordain a monogamist as a leader. This is to provide a model for the singles in the church.

The polygamists who are born again, are as acceptable to God as the monogamists. ONLY that they CAN'T be made leaders in the church.

The new testament and the redemptive work, preclude them from sending away their spouses, even if they are 1000, like King Solomon.

On this matter of restitution, you, Mr kumuyi and any other pastor are not only wrong, but you folks are doing wickedness against harmonious families.

Sinkills:
are at liberty to remain in their sin (which of course is an indication that their professed repentance is not genuine). Thank you sir for your understanding.

This is the blackmail and threats of irrational fears of damnation, through which religious idiocy thrives.

Sinkills:
The issue of TV sets have been dealt with in my previous comnents. Concerning marriage restitution, a man who is married to more than one wife is an adulterer. So once he is saved, he should send the other wife or wives away except the first and legitimate wife. Same thing is applicable to a woman who is a second, third or fourth wife. After she gets saved, she should quit that 'marriage'. This the standard of the Holy Scriptures (in the light of the New Covenant). That he or she is living happily in the aduterous relationship does not count as much as one's eternal destiny. Pastor Kumuyi and other true ministers of the gospel should rather be commended for sticking to the Bible and helping people escape eternal damnation. God bless you.

Can you give the specific Bible reference, that kumuyi based this order on?

Sinkills:
Sometimes, I do wonder if pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi is an ordinary human being like you and myself or specially formed. Do you know why I am awed? Over the decades since this man of God started his God-given ministry after getting born again, there have never been any scandal associated with him inspite of the fact that Satan and his cohorts have attempted severally to bring him down. Despite that he focuses on holiness which is quite unpopular in this sin-sick world, yet the church he superintendents keeps growing by leaps and bounds. At his age of over 75, he keeps going from place to place, region to region, state to state and occasionally outside Nigeria on his evangelical tour, he seems never to get sick for a day. He knows so much of the Bible by the grace of God and teaches it so clearly that you will think he was there when the holy book was written. Most of the places pastor Kumuyi ministers, instant miracles take place -the blind see, the lame and crippled walk, the dumb speak, the mad and mentally derailed regain their sanity, incurable diseases become cured etc, yet this man remains humble and dwells more on how to prepare people for heaven and eternity with God. He does not emphasize on prosperity, yet most of his members continue to prosper financially and materially. A lot of people hate him and the members of Deeper Life Bible Church with passion and find faults with them (because they tend to believe they know God better than others), yet anywhere he goes, mammoth crowd come out to see and hear him. Most of his former sworn critics have ended up joining the ministry God put him in charge of. No doubt, pastor W F Kumuyi is a rare gift to our generation. To God be the glory! Once again I am tempted to ask, is pastor Kumuyi an ordinary human being? And if he is, what are likely his secrets?

Mr Kumuyi's wrongs are many...

* he once ordered his followers to throwaway their TV sets, because according to him, TV sets are devil's boxes

He now uses the same devil's box to preach. Yet he's not apologized to those he misled.

* In the name of restitution, he ordered second wives who are his followers to leave their husbands house, even when their husband didn't ask them to leave.

Also he ordered his followers who have more than one wives, to send every others away, except the first wife.

This he did irrespective of the number of years, these couples have lived together harmoniously.

Many families that were dislocated by this wickedness, have not yet recovered from the pains and frustration.

Mr Kumuyi will have to plead for forgiveness, from these folks he misled.

sarz:
It's long msg but just try to read once
BERNARD SHAW while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:'God, that's for you.'
He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner.
The man who built the Titanic
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be.
With an ironic tone he said:
'Not even God can sink it'
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.
Marilyn Monroe (Actress)
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show.
He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
'I don't need your God'.
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment
Bon Scott (Singer)
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
'Don't stop me; I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell'.
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

Another manifestation of how pitiable and disgusting the reasoning of religious bigots.

*Myles Munroe and his wife died in fatal plane crash (while going to speak for god)

* Bimbo Odukoya died in fatal plane crash (while going to preach for your god).

* Many religious folks have suffered all kinds of diseases and ill incidences.


Where is this monstrous skydaddy?

These

balanceofterror1:
Cha! na wa for Atheist's double standard. They said that God does not exist and they can as well call on God in the time of need. Who's deceiving who?.

Another way of lying for Jesus.

It's religious delusion to claim that prayer cures diseases, and yet go to the hospital and take medication.

4everGod:
smh @ OP.

How old are you really? People are busy being productive and thinking about how to better the world and all you have to worry about is a meme war?

Rubbishing religion and God idea, is fundamental to making the world a better place.

hopefulLandlord:
Hahahahahahahahaha KingEbuka is one sad lonely individual, he googles every post of mine


its good to have such a staunch follower

It's a pity that those who read and believe the story book, are all infected with the illusion that they know everything. Just because the book deceived them so.

This certain theist, is chronically beside himself. Otherwise he wouldn't be fooling around a normal post.

DoctorAlien:
I'm yet to see anyone on Nairaland who can prove that the Bible is not 100% truth.

Circularity has perfectly done that.

Isn't absurdity of the highest variant, to keep dispensing stale gist from the book that claimed so much, but bear no trace of indispensability?

DoctorAlien:
I think the onus is on you to prove that the Bible is 100% truth.

You are ancient enough on NL, don't roll off on this one.

DoctorAlien:
It's either you did not read my post, or you did but your brain could not handle it. Or you know that there is no fault in my post but you must still not agree.

It's no problem.

I know that you're now an authority, on all the knowledge that be in the world.

Certainly no normal brain can find, any rational meaning in a compilation of conflicted and incongruous excerpts.

DoctorAlien:
The Bible is a book that is 100% correct, and it contains nothing but the truth. And if it contains nothing but the truth, there is no reason why it should not be believed.

Therefore, Christianity based on the Bible and the Bible alone is rational, since truth is to desired.

By what standard measures, did you arrive at this your outrageous assertions?

KingEbukaNaija:
You forgot to post the source of this post : http://freelink.wildlink.com/fallacy.php

Ehe ....I knew it can never ever come from you . This confirmed my suspicions

What difference does it make to the foolishness of the psalmist?

DoctorAlien:
I am a Christian today because I arrived at the fact that a GOD exists purely by thought processes.

Was the thought that produced the Christian idea in your mind, developed in vacuum or from the knowledge of teaching of the Bible?

You speak as if thought processes, are some creation of you 100%.

This is unnecessary overreaching.

Same recycled philosophical views, inspired by the very books that introduced God idea into human experience.

Moral values are concepts, developed by humans, within the context of the societal dictates.

The attempt at ascribing divine source to moral values, is still part of the baseless acquisition craze for a god, said to bear an interventionist attribute, in the affairs of human beings.

But there's yet to be seen or felt, any trace of overarching intervention, not even when this god is challenged on this premise.

Scholar8200:
much ado about nothing!

I never met an atheist who declares his ideas in his heart! And except he says it in public, his heart condition ,as one having disbelief in God, is not known. The passage describes one who has this as a hidden motivation to a life without restraint to the negative.

In fact, a careful look at the passage clearly shows that is the condition of all men before an encounter with Jesus Christ.

There's nothing like encounter, just a mere assent to Jesus idea is all there is.

Foolishness is taken to the highest ridiculous realm, if someone can still claim that there's any iota of meaning in that stale story book.

hopefulLandlord:
Toooo Much Fallacies in that empty rhetoric Christians spill from that verse in that book of theirs


"The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good." (Psalms 14:1)

Fallacies committed:

ad hominem fallacy : An argument is discounted based on attacking the character of the person making the argument. ("He is wrong when he says there is no God, because he is a fool." )

strawman fallacy : Arguing against a position by creating a different, weaker, or irrelevant position and refuting that position instead of the original. ("There is no God" misrepresents "There isn't sufficient evidence that God exists." )

circular reasoning : The truth of the conclusion is assumed in order to justify the premises. ("The fool says there is no God, because anyone who says there is no God is a fool." )

begging the question : The argument creates a secondary proposition that is related to the primary proposition, which requires a similar argument that is missing. (The existence of God is assumed, while addressing propositions of whether God exists.)

fallacy of inconsistency : The argument is inconsistent with other arguments within the same context.
In the Christian context, Jesus commands against the invective in Psalms 14:1, warning that
"whoever says 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire" in Matthew 5:22.

special pleading : The inappropriate attribution of emotive functions to objects that do not have that capability. (Hearts are not capable of "knowing" or of feeling emotions.)

redundancy : Psalm 53 is identical to Psalm 14.

questionable premise : It is obviously not the case that all atheists do nothing but bad deeds. This premise is invalidated by a single example of an atheist doing a single charitable act.

those are the different fallacies committed by just one verse

lmao!

FOOL - One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe.


Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

In the "inspired" tales of the psalmist, he got convoluted in his primitive thought, by referring to the atheists as fools, because they lack believe in god.

But subjecting this ignorance and religious intoxication of the psalmist to reasons and intelligence, it becomes obvious that the the fools are as follows:

* someone who believes in skydaddy that has never been seen.

* someone who talks to imaginary idea

* someone who claims prayer works, but can't pray money into his pocket

* someone who pays tithe and offering, and expect financial returns

* someone who prays to be healed of malaria, yet takes antimalaria medications

* someone that will hate, fight and possibly kill his fellow humans, because he doesn't believe his skydaddy.

* a lady who will rather turn menopausal, than marry a loving and caring atheists

* children who will abandon their mother in suffering, because their holy man says their mother is a "witch"

Scholar8200:
and how many lay claim to a demonstrable, instantaneous salvation experience?

Have you watched the instantaneous, demonstrable and awesome life transforming sessions of Anthony Robbins?

brodalikeme:
Chairman, am not a surface knowledged Christian, I have experienced the power of my God and His words. My faith is intact and my resolve is ever more resolute.

The very anecdotal evidence for existence of skydaddy.

Scholar8200:
I am happy you put that word in inverted commas. Not every one that professes actually possesses.

The usual rationalization for the empty and inexistent claims of the "transforming power of skydaddy".

brodalikeme:
You read the Bible like a 'story book' as you described so it can only produce surface knowledge of the truth of God to you. I will point out a few things to you.
Firstly becoming Born again is a spiritual matter as expressed in Rom 10: 9-10 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. This is the first step being born again or being saved. After that there is the renewal of your mind to become like Christ by the word of God (Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!— assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness Eph 4:17-24)
Secondly, you are quite correct about water meaning word/knowledge, very wrong is saying/thinking that the word is to be memorise for start forming something. The word is not for argument or show. The knowledge from the word of God is the transformational power of God to make you Christ like (born again/new life) not to make you feel better than others. How can you EVER allude that the Spirit is a fraud created by religious folks. Even trying to reduce the Spirit to an understanding. Does it make any sense to you. I definitely can see how much you suffered for 20 years trying to form born again or Christianity-How you must have struggled. THE SPIRIT IS A PERSONALITY. Lacking that understanding brought you to where you are now. It is obvious you were a very shallow pastor never digested a single word from the Bible or even praying for understanding.
Finally, being born again or becoming a Christian is not an emotional exercise that grips you for awhile and then leaves and then come back again. or a feeling you get when you are in church or you hear a song or something. Bro, it a permanent reality in your heart.

Should you try to argue or look a debate, sincerely re-examine yourself again, ask your spirit questions and let the truth guide you. Jesus is not a fraud that seek captives as followers. I was once in your shoes, tired and frustrated because I stayed on the shallow stuffs. never digging deep to grow but was tossed about by sin and doctrine. I decided to quit but thought I should cross check again to make sure that I satisfied my conscience, it was then I found Jesus for myself. Through your carnal mind you can not get eternal life. May God help you in Jesus name-amen

It's a pity that religious absurdities only become obvious, when the folks buffeted by it, step out from the primitive and anachronistic God idea.

Scholar8200:
Consider this:
Another account of revival in East Africa, appearing in an early edition of Herald of His Coming tells us: "We have just come from a wonderful week in the most antiwhite tribe out here, the Ababuas. What works of grace! Great, strong men, Goliaths of Gath I called them. One had killed a white man in a fight. One said that in those days six years ago, every nice woman was his animal; another, that he beat his wife like a cow. Another, that he was a slave to wine.

"Then think of hearing these great strong fellows say, ‘Prison and the whip and threats could not change us; we left and did exactly the same again. But the blood of Jesus has power! The blood of Jesus has power! We are different men! We neither do, nor want to do what we used to! We have been born again! We have been crucified with Christ, and now Jesus lives in us!’ We were at four such wonderful conferences in the tribe last week with about eight hundred of them. What welcome they gave us! We might have been angels from Heaven instead of once-hated white men."

Oh, friends, is that transforming power of God not what we desperately need to see in our day and culture?
http://www.heraldofhiscoming.com/800x600/home.htm

Is this a mental case? can you experiment this?

With the number of "transformed" folks in Nigeria, we should be devoid of the crass moral decadence then.

feodan:
pls which church do u attend ?

Church of Humanism

Scholar8200:
The transformation of life!

I guess a suspension of reasoning is an "instantaneous transformation of life".

Taking on religious morals is part of it

Dressing absurdly is part of it

Speaking with pious tone is part of it

Wearing long caps and bling bling chains around the neck is part of it

Seeing every other human who is not xtian as evil and doomed, is part of it

feodan:
Its seems u've forgotten wat d bible say: DAT except a man be born again he can't enter in2 d kingdom of GOD

Concept of born again was a psychological mechanism by which Jesus created a cult followership.

Kingdom of God is part of the illusion.

Scholar8200:
Instantaneously? NO WAY!

What's instantaneous?

Scholar8200:
We all know that all the aforestated fade with time. How then do you explain the transformation of life?

Actually, it is impossible for a single person to claim that the reality experienced by millions of people is a hoax! That postion only suggests that that person is hurt or bitter.

Transformation of life can occur at any standard rehab home

EVEN ST PAUL AGREES WITH ME........

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


It's about hearing and hearing the same stories, even when they have been sufficiently shown to be myths and superstitions, yet religious folks give assent to the gist.

This is possible because the stories, forbids the adherents from hearing other factual knowledge that can perforate all the religious falsehoods.

JESUS AGREES WITH ME.......

Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understands it; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundred times, some sixty, some thirty.

It's those who have received his teachings (word) and proficiently know and realized what he taught them (understand), that can be said to be born again.

This confirms that the whole idea of being born again is just a MENTAL ASSENT to an idea of jesus about religion.

THE CHARADE OF BEING "BORN AGAIN"

Every human being (mentally normal and abnormal), have a belief system per time. What defines a belief system is whether such belief is formed (no belief is genetic, all beliefs are acquired/formed) by reason(s), illusion(s) or assumption(s).

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that you do, except God be with him.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

When you form a belief, you're "born" into that "belief world". To be born again therefore means that you reject belief in (eg traditional religion), and form (accept) a belief in Jesus' religious ideologies.

John 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Water means word/knowledge, to be able to form belief in Jesus' worldview, you will have to learn what Jesus teaches. Your cognition, memory and emotion, will then create the neura-pathway for this learning, consequently, a Jesus' religious idea is formed/"born" in your mind.

"Spirit" means understanding. Although religious folks have fraudulently and erroneously, posit that the word "Spirit" means a certain "personal holy spirit". It's a grand falsehood, with the sole aim of projecting some kind of mysticism of the whole idea of being born again.
A proficient knowing and realization of what has been learnt, leads to understanding. It's the combination of the water (knowledge) and spirit (understanding), that produce strong feelings about an idea as being the truth (belief).

Beliefs have subliminal effects on human minds, it's these effects that creates subjective experiences (trance, vision, Prophecy etc) in the minds of folks that claim something "spectacular" or "supernatural" happened to them when they became born again.