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odomanis:
The list of PDP agents that INEC has is that submitted by Jimo Ibrahim,you don't need anybody to tell you that those agents should not be relied upon by Jegede as they may likely work against him. Jegede needs to submit his own list and train them as well.

But the agents were presented by PDP as a party. That's what the electoral law says and recognises.

What plans do the Senate have themselves?

Is the Senate not part of the arms of Nigeria government?

How has the Senate helped Nigeria since 1999?

NASS has been a wasteful draining pipe on our commonwealth.

The paranoid senators are suffering from knee jerk. Because the wasteful patronage of their bottomless stomach is fast disappearing.

Nigeria is coming out stronger and better.

CIRCULARITY

* Using a premise to prove a conclusion that in turn is used to prove the premise: a circular argument.

* Defining one word in terms of another that is itself defined in terms of the first word.

Atheist: why did you believe God exist?

Theist: I believe God exist, because i know he exist.

Atheist: how did you KNOW God exist?

Theist: because bible says God exist.

Atheist: what/who is Bible?

Theist: the bible introduced God to humans.

Atheist: who introduced the bible?

Theist: God introduced the Bible

Atheist: so bible introduced God, and in turn God introduced Bible

Theist: EXACTLY!

Hmmmm....... Bible = God = Bible = God = Bible = God......... Circularity

ever811:
OK..OK...this is just one reason why I know I did not got here by accident but I was perfectly created by an intelligent been.. every part of my body is created to perform specific function..eyes to see,ears to hear,tongue to taste food and control my speach,teeth to masticate food,hands to handle, legs to work,etc...you can agree with me that this kind of perfect arrangements can not be done by accident without making a single mistake.. if you disagree with me then kindly point out to me which part of the body that is a mistake without any function to perform.. and how male and female where created whit there respective organs for reproductive purpose..thank you

Oh oh oh........
Your response on how you know for FACT, that God exist, is definitely VERY grand and unique.

I will recommend it as the newest "evidence" of the existence of Gods.
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I can as well tell you that, malaria fever don't just happen by accident, it's caused by walking under the sun for one hour, non stop.

If you disagree with me, kindly point out my error.

solite3:
. Athesism was created by false religion.

Can you please expatiate on this.

johnw74:
if the shoe fits.



false jw go to great lengths to try and show that Our Lord Jesus Christ is not God
rejecting Bible verses that show He is:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



More on God being manifest in the flesh:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


More on Jesus is God:
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
"Lord" in that verse is "kurios" meaning supreme in authority, God.
who other than God is supreme in authority?


With false jw rejecting the Word being God, and false jw rejecting Bible verses showing that the Word-our Lord Jesus Christ is God,
ummm, satanic organization does seem to fit, but in my opinion satanic organization definitely fits.

How about atheists, what is your view about them.

GoodMuyis:
Thats what am saying, show some love to them, free them from that Religion, its a mental slavery.

Now i understand how atheistic writings affects you.
You know, before now, you folks had arrogated an ultimate and unquestionable religious status to yourselves.

But now, all that has changed. Now you're confronted with fundamental questions, that calls you out, to do a mental check on your lives. With reference to rationality and sanity of holding religious views.

From the basic knowledge of psychology, there's no way you folks will not experience mental shock.

It's the syndrome of the mental shock, that is informing these fear and paranoia inspired posts.

Don't worry, post religious life distress rehabilitation is available.


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GoodMuyis:
BUT if you are not laden with such responsibility, THEN STOP bothering us on Nairaland

I can't remember any instruction on NL that makes it compulsory, that you must read, or comment on atheistic posts.

You're at freedom to ignore. But i know you folks can't. Some of you have tried it, but such thoughtless decision didn't last. In fact some of had vow not to comment on atheistic posts, but you folks can't just handle it.

Now, what we (atheists) have achieved on NL is grand, though you folks are not aware of them.

*our presence now cautions you, when you folks want to either post or comment on posts.

*you now mind the sensibility of your thoughts

*sufficient doubts have been cast on some of your beliefs

*religious neophytes have been helped to see the idiocy and uselessness of religious beliefs.

*our writings exposes the filthiness of religious beliefs, thereby making religious beliefs disgusting to folks.

*some theists can't post here anymore, because there's nothing to write, that will present them as intelligent. Certainly they don't want to suffer ridicule.

Etc

I guess with time, you guys will all abandon this section, for your inability to cope.

johnw74:
The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."(The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)
Conclusion

The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expands its grip into the lives of its members and their families.

It is a non-Christian cult.

Are you by any insinuation, saying JW is a satanic organization?

GoodMuyis:
Charity [Love] They say Begins at Home.

There are homes lacking in love. Folk can learn love outside, and bring it home.
Dogmaticism numbs the thinking faculty.



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GoodMuyis:
If truly, *the religious people are suffering* and they wanted to help us out, They should start from their Father, Mother and Siblings

If that is not possible task for them, they should keep their stuff in their brain until their Parent become atheist.

A typical immoral manners, of a typical hypocritical religious piety.

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GoodMuyis:
Dear Atheist if you cant Covert your parent, STOP bothering us with your atheism

It's you xtians that are bound, to such irritating and intruding instructions.

Matthew 28:19 Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

sarrki:
Senate: Buhari has no plan to end recession— 24th November 2016

From Fred Itua, Abuja



http://sunnewsonline.com/senate-buhari-has-no-plan-to-end-recession/

What a misleading heading. Some of the senators are just belly aching.

lawlahbammy:
The Peoples Democratic Party candidate for the Ondo Stare governorship election, Eyitayo Jegede, has appealed to the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, to postpone Saturday’s election for at least 30 days.
He said this would allow the party to submit a list of its agents in good time before the election as provided for in the Electoral Act 2010.
The Act stipulates that each party should make their party agents available to the commission, 14 days before the day of election.
The Biyi Poroye faction of the PDP had submitted a list of party agents to the commission before the expiration of the deadline for Jimoh Ibrahim, who was removed by Wednesday’s Appeal Court judgment.
Mr. Jegede, who led a protest to the INEC state headquarters at Alagbaka, in Akure on Thursday, told the Resident Electoral Commissioner, Olusegun Agbaje, that the postponement was necessary in order not to be in breach of the Electoral Act.
He also submitted a letter he addressed to the Chairman of the Commission, Mahmood Yahkoob, demanding the postponement of the election.
“It follows from the foregoing that any list of agents purportedly forwarded by one Poroye and his fellow pretenders who had been illegally parading themselves as the state executive members of the PDP, Ondo State cannot be regarded as authentic,” the letter read in part.
“As it is, the peoples democratic party has not forwarded the list of its agents to the commission.
“Whichever way one may look at the situation on ground, the governorship election of Ondo state slated for 26th November, if conducted, will undoubtedly be in breach of the Electoral Act 2010 as amended.
“It is in light of the foregoing that I request you to differ the governorship election for Ondo State for at least 30 days so as not to conduct the election in flagrant violation of the Electoral Act 2010 as amended.”
But Mr. Agbaje said INEC had gone past the issue of postponement, given that it had distributed sensitive materials to all the local governments already for the elections.
He insisted that the commission was prepared for the election come Saturday.
“We can no longer talk about postponement of the election right now,” he said. “The matter is an internal dispute within the PDP and so we cannot be talking about postponement.
“If we postpone the election, we will be losing billions of naira knowing that we have already deployed sensitive and non-sensitive materials to all the local government areas of the state.”
He said the list of party agents would be received from the Mr. Jegede and the former one would be discarded.
The materials which were supplied directly from the vault of the Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, in Akure include ballot papers, result sheets and other forms that would be used to collate the results.
Mr. Agbaje said adequate security had been provided to escort the materials to the respective local government areas.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/216213-conduct-ondo-election-saturday-will-violate-law-jegede.html

Baseless grounds. His party has met all the requirements.

Efrankbblog:
Source:efrankb

I really find the witnesses interesting and likable folks.

But they send me off on two annoying practices.

* the take delight in murderous act, by rejecting blood transfusion, even at the point of preventable death.

* witness babe will never agree, to date a non witness. Not even when you desire to marry her. She will rather get into menopause, than marry a non witness.

eph12:
Thanks

uwc

ever811:
because that is exactly what it is.

what is the meaning of exactly what it is?

I asked you for the processes by which you KNOW (if you know the meaning of that), God exists and created you.

ever811:
so if you know otherwise tell me who created everything including you..thank you..make sure you don't runaway

I may ignore you, if you don't make any intelligent sense to me.

I hold the right to do so. Without a care of what you think.

eph12:
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:


It's is very possible to NOT keep the faith till the end

I sincerely wish you redemption from religion. All the best in your love affairs with skydaddy.

ever811:
and what are the facts?.that there is no creator the world just came out from....honestly when I hear an atheist talks about reasoning,its amaze me.because atheist are the only documented creatures with brains they don't use.

The question to you is that, how did you know that God exists and created you?

eph12:
Trying to understand the difference between teach and claim in this context though.




Don't know who you've been talking to but Christianity claims if you live a holy life you will make heaven. Pay attention to this very well. It is not saying if you claim to be a christian you are automatically qualified to a life of high morals.

1 John 3:8 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The above is what Christianity claims (claims means what your Bible says, will happen to whosoever believes).

".... Doesn't commit sin....... CANNOT sin..... ", is this statement not guaranteeing auto-moral lifestyle?

That's the false and impossible claim of bible.

eph12:
Christianity constantly preaches against bad morals. It does not encourage bad morals neither does it stop the government or individuals from having or instilling immortality. Christianity says stealing is bad, people go ahead to steal is that what this is about?

Am not interested in what Christianity teaches, but what it CLAIMS.

it claims some holy spirit power, given to believers, which enables them to get on auto-moral lifestyle.

And the concept of forgiveness, numbs the Christian's sense of responsibility for their acts. It encourages irresponsible lifestyle.

Of course this nonsense is found in all religions. It's this virus that afflicts the society (people and government), to be grossly inept.

ever811:
If the bible that was written thousands of years back,will call an atheist "Fool...then after thousands of years letter a scientists would call them idiots

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It's because there were atheists then, who were challenging the craps been attributed to God and documented into the fictional book called Bible.
Just the same way, this your reference "scientist", is behaving now.

ever811:
but atheist argued that God did not create me but matter did..and i am always angry each time I tried to consider the atheist madness,because they them selves has no idea how matter created it's self..no atheist has been able to answer how things started..I repeat.. I will take atheist serious only when they convince me how I got to exist...

No atheist expects or look forward to your approval. They only hope to see you come out of religious delusion. Into a life governed by reason and empirical facts.

Kalatium:
I don't mean reading the Bible o. I mean scrutinising the bible and studying it both theological and historical.
I doubt if we Christians really read our Bibles. When we are challenged about our beliefs We give lame evidence and when the listener refuses to believe we begin threatening them with eternity.

Let me give you a brief biblical history
After the formation of the Biblical Canon(NT) by Athanosus in 4th century CE. The New Testament remained unchallenged probably because the bible was not available to everyone. The Roman Catholic Church translates the bible in Latin which keeps the masses from reading it. At that time only one bible was kept in the church.
But after the Protestant Reformation when the bible began to be available to everyone, people began to read the Bible.
Age of Reasoning/Enlightenment
The 19th century also known as the age of reason is the time in which science began to grow speedily, many began to depend on reason and logic rather than superstition.
Man then decide to apply reasoning and logic to the bible. Then the scholars begin to doubt some biblical claims because there was not scientific or historic evidence. Since then man has continued to question religious claims which leads to the rise of Christian fundamentalism, that the scripture is perfect, inspired by God and does not contain errors (these was due to pressure by Liberal scholars).

Information Age
We now live in the information Age where information is rampant mostly due to the effect of the Internet. I urge every Christian to study the bible and not just follow what our pastors tell us to do. We should also view the bible critically without religious bias.

We are not born to follow rules and die but to change the world.

I sometimes feel surprised at Christians because so many don't even understand what the bible is saying. If you want to understand the bible very well read it in its historical context not just theological.

The time of Ignorance has passed.

Reading or studying the Bible in its historical context, just revealed it not to be different from the oral and written documents of the yoruba traditional religion.

Historically, the Torah(old testament) of the Jews, is what the ancient ifa, orunmila, irunmale etc is to the yoruba religion.

And just as the yoruba ifa priest (one of them, using the moniker - babalawo is on NL) modernises the ifa concept, so did Jesus christ, introduced radical philosophy, psychology and mysticism to Torah.

eph12:
You contradicting yourself. You say USA does not practice religion but are highly moral, at least more than Nigeria. And that's why you're speaking against religion. You've seen a country that don't have time for religion yet highly moral.

You're mixing it up.

USA government enforces rules that deters Americans from immorality. It's on this basis that USA is rated higher on morality scale compared to Nigeria.

The meaning of this, is that the mechanism for instilling good moral and deterring bad moral, is both personal and societal.

Atheism encourages folks and government to take responsibility for moral standard.

As against religious claims, that says there's some spirit that empowers one to go on auto-high moral standard attainment.

If there's anything of such, it ought to be evident in Nigeria, since Nigeria is over 98% religious.


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eph12:
What's the end game of Christians since you're particular about Christians?

Because Christian beliefs claim what is not real. Just a case study for me.

honourhim:
Oyibo atheists can be sincere enough to bow to any such convincing material but Nigerian atheists(especially nairaland species) are so foolish, dumb, idiotic, insincere and crooked minded that they will continue to wallow in their delusion even when they have seen convincing materials.

Oh oh oh...... What is the meaning of oyinbo atheists?

And which particular "convincing material" are you referring to?

Am sure its the very paper, on which the outrageous and empty "question" is printed on.

OLAADEGBU:
Christian evangelist dismantles atheism with One Scientific question



http://www.charismanews.com/culture/58974-ray-comfort-dismantles-atheism-with-1-scientific-question

Another outrageous and empty claim again.

eph12:
In case you have not observed poverty is the cause of high cases of immortality in Africa or wherever. Take away poverty and crime rate will drop.

USA is not a poor nation, but most Americans are morally bankrupt, Just as Nigeria. The difference is that USA government, is up in its responsibilities to checkmate it.

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eph12:
Religion has never claimed morality. Religion only claim there's life after life and what you do in this life determines what happens in next life

religion has abundantly claim morality (its source and endowment). Specifically, Christianity claimed to be able to restore capacity not to be immoral, while still on earth, through Jesus christ and holy spirit.

Emusan:
The funny part of it is that, if the questions are turned around can you provide answers to them?

The burden of proof of God existence is on you, who claim to believe and know that it exists.



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Emusan:
When will Nairalander Atheists provide their own scientific evidences of natural world instead of relying on the white Atheists?

Science or scientific culture is one universally. Unlike religion that has countless factions, with contradictory unlimited beliefs and claims.



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Emusan:
But unfortunately Atheist seems to lack the understanding between spirituality and physical despite their claim to be the one who possesses world wide knowledge.

There's nothing like spirit or spirituality in the world view of rational atheists.



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Emusan:
The simple evidence for this is that no man can confidently say that he/she knows the origin of matter.
While Bible provided the answer: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:3 KJV

Do you claim that the bible is literarily true? Can the claims of Bible be empirically verified? How authentic are the bible claims?



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Emusan:
Intervened in what way

God has not been found to be a known and established factor, in the events and experiences of human.


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Emusan:
Because God is LIFE and from Him LIFE exists on earth and up till now no scientific explanation to the origin of LIFE, please don't come with the excuse of, since they don't know it now doesn't mean it can't be known in the future.

Can you establish this claim factually?



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Emusan:
There is no concept of God that is man made from Christian perspective.
Logically, if God exists and He brought creation into existence then there is nothing in creation that is beyond His power (Please don't derail this thread by coming with the argument of SATAN-GOD, if you want to do so, kindly open another thread and invite me) and again, God existence will be totally different from how creations exist.

All the misogynistic, slavery, chauvinistic, racist, ignorance induced medical diagnosis etc. That filled the bible established the fact that, the concept of God is human.



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Emusan:
The reason why Bible isn't a man's idea is that, Bible always points to God-man relationship which means people do have personal encounter with God from ancient days till date which I'm a living testimony.

Circularity syndrome and anecdotal evidences.


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Emusan:
Of course that's where Atheist lack knowledge about the world. We are in the world and everything that happens, happened in the NATURAL world not in spiritual world if not you won't see it.
Even the word 'supernatural' has natural in it.
Miracle simply means where man's ability ends God ability intervened.
I have experienced miracle and by the grace of God, God has helped me to perform miracle. NOTE: I'm not a pastor nor do I own a church.

Anecdotal evidence that establish nothing, except personal mental slant.

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Emusan:
Now let me tell you one story:
There was a time in my hometown, there is this major road that links my hometown to another village. Just of a sudden, at one spot accident do frequently occur which has claimed more than 10 persons' life. People begin to wonder what could possibly be happening, people begin to ask different questions.
Then, about three different churches revealed that there is one particular stone in that area that has been bewitched and people should start praying that God should fight any demon sucking blood on that road.
The day God will proof His existence and power, it was like a dream. What happened? That day cloud began to gather, small time rain started falling. In the middle of the rain fall was a very great THUNDER, in fact nobody in my village that doesn't fell the impart of that THUNDER, I remember my Grandma said "wa ooo ibun ti dun" in Yoruba which means "The gun has sounded" and she began to praise God.
After the rain, News broke out that something great has happened, guess what? It was along that road. At the very spot where accident do occur, the stone that was there was broken into pieces as if they used dynamite to blast the stone.
Atheist might said well, somebody went and planted the dynamite to deceive the villagers but if God wants to do His things He doesn't do it without leaving an evident. The path the thunder follows before hitting the stone will be up to 1-2kilometer and guess what, ANYTHING ALONG THAT PATH BE IT TREE OR GRASS were uprooted and the path looked as if it was a Bulldozer that works there. And since that day till I left my hometown not a single case of an accident was reported on that road.

Proves nothing.


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Emusan:
These are my questions:
1. Which heavy equipment do you thing man can use around 1990's that can grade a path of 1-2km in just one single strike of a thunder?
2. Why is that particular stone among other stones in that area that was affected?
3. Why does accident cease from that spot after that incident?

NOTE: This is an eyewitness story not them-say-them-say

It changes nothing, from the the fact that it proves nothing, that proves God existence.


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Emusan:
You want video from spiritual source right?

Just as no evidence of your God in places you hid it.


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Emusan:
No scientific theory for the origin of LIFE that is plausible.
Or let's put it this way, provide evidence for the ORIGIN of LIFE that proves it wasn't from God.

No scientists went researching your God existence. Because there's no basis for that.


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Emusan:
Which evidence do you people always talk about?

Empirical, verifiable, reproducible and falsifiable evidences.[/quote]

eph12:
So what's making some immoral? What's the cause?

The sense of right and wrong (morality) is natural.

Humans are responsible for their actions - right or wrong.

This right/wrong dichotomy is both individual and societal in concept.

Religion claimed origin of morality. And that there is some spirit power to make religious folks act right always. But evidence has shown that, it is false

eph12:
And this means their believe in God is responsible for this high crime rate?

It means the religious claims, to the effect that there's some power of the "Holy Spirit", that can make religious folks be moral is FALSE and non EXISTENT.

CHRISTIANS VS ATHEISTS: WHICH GROUP IS MORE MORAL?

Results of several studies on the above topic, agreed that there's no significant difference in the moral behavior, between the Christian group and atheist group.

Christians are taught and encouraged to be moral (to bear fruit of the spirit, and not that of the flesh).

For by this fruit of the spirit bearing, atheists shall know that they are the children of their "good" God.

Using nairaland Christians as a case study:

*How real is the fruit of the spirit?

*can the spirit really make the Christian moral?

*despite the spirit, don't Christians still behave immoral?

*is the spirit really the source of moral behavior?

*if the Adamic nature (the immoral nature) is dead in Christian, why do Christians still commit immoral acts?
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Since i came on Nairaland forum, i have engaged Christians, amongst whom are pastors, priests, Rev..... Etc.

I have deliberately tested various fruit of the spirit in them, and i observed that, in more than 98% of the Christians that I have engaged so far, there's nothing close to the fruit of the spirit, in these Christians.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rather they are full of the fruit of immorality:

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Conclusion:
Generally speaking, and as far as moral standard is concerned, the Christian and the atheists have no significant difference in rating over each other.

This therefore shows that, the natural origin and evolution of morality, as propounded by behavioral neuroscientists, are true in human experience. As against the erroneous and unrealistic claims of Christians.
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My study is concluded. Henceforth, i shall engage in rational and intellectual debate and discuss, with anyone willing to engage me.

I may use the phrase:

"idiotic idea"
"such thinking is puerile"
"reasons like these are stupid and nonsensical" etc

NB - these should not be taken as personal insults, but as descriptive words for text (and not the person).

I shall choose to discontinue any debate that, descend into derogatory use of words, directed at my "person" and not my "text".

Thanks.

CHRISTIANS VS ATHEISTS: WHICH GROUP IS MORE MORAL?

Results of several studies on the above topic, agreed that there's no significant difference in the moral behavior, between the Christian group and atheist group.

Christians are taught and encouraged to be moral (to bear fruit of the spirit, and not that of the flesh).

For by this fruit of the spirit bearing, atheists shall know that they are the children of their "good" God.

Using nairaland Christians as a case study:

*How real is the fruit of the spirit?

*can the spirit really make the Christian moral?

*despite the spirit, don't Christians still behave immoral?

*is the spirit really the source of moral behavior?

*if the Adamic nature (the immoral nature) is dead in Christian, why do Christians still commit immoral acts?
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Since i came on Nairaland forum, i have engaged Christians, amongst whom are pastors, priests, Rev..... Etc.

I have deliberately tested various fruit of the spirit in them, and i observed that, in more than 98% of the Christians that I have engaged so far, there's nothing close to the fruit of the spirit, in these Christians.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rather they are full of the fruit of immorality:

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Conclusion:
Generally speaking, and as far as moral standard is concerned, the Christian and the atheists have no significant difference in rating over each other.

This therefore shows that, the natural origin and evolution of morality, as propounded by behavioral neuroscientists, are true in human experience. As against the erroneous and unrealistic claims of Christians.
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My study is concluded. Henceforth, i shall engage in rational and intellectual debate and discuss, with anyone willing to engage me.

I may use the phrase:

"idiotic idea"
"such thinking is puerile"
"reasons like these are stupid and nonsensical" etc

NB - these should not be taken as personal insults, but as descriptive words for impersonal text.

I shall choose to discontinue any debate that, descend into derogatory use of words, directed at my "person" and not my "text".

Thanks.

PDBonline:
And just like if you choose to believe I am a computer program because I don't reply you like you want or when you prefer doesn't change my status (others can prove your lack of faith as just an idea in your head because they've experienced my existence in stronger ways) so is your lack of faith in God. You are the one not living in reality and patient not patient enough to see God.

Just as the experiences of the clinical schizophrenic are real to them of course.

I will never think you're a robot if you don't reply my post. Because i had verifiably established your real existence.

My lack of faith in the existence of Gods is based on lack of evidence to the fact of its real existence.

PDBonline:
* Whether you believe in God now or not, you will still exist. If you continue in your rebellious unbelieving state you will not like that experience before the Judge of all. But you can't have everything when you want it.

Just the irrational fears and ignorance, on which religion and religious beliefs were founded on since the stone age.

PDBonline:
The behaviour of many atheists can be compared to a boy throwing tantrum because the parent didn't give him something he so much desires on his own terms. Tantrum doesn't change who the parent is, though it can destroy things precious to both parties.

That's why i always educate you religious folks that, there's a difference between "rational atheists" and those who claim to be atheists as a result of religious disillusionment.

PDBonline:
* YOU THINK I must be a real human being because you experience me here. I am because I am: I don't need you to see me or believe I exist as human or even prove to you that I am to be so.

You have your logic in reverse here. I didn't think you're real human, i KNOW for fact that you are real. I have the variables by which i established that. On this forum, robot can't participate, because i know that this forum has no software to enable that.



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So what makes you think you have to see God to relate with Him? I'm sure you continued the discussion so far because you believed that I am real. There are real experiences you block yourself from or see in a wrong way about faith just because of what you choose to believe .[/quote]How do you as human relate with the idea of robot? How do you relate with movie or literature fictional characters?}


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It is a fact in human psychology that your believe- right or wrong- not only change your perspective but determines your experiences because it affects your choices.[/quote]You have just confirmed the very reason why the God idea, appears to be real to you religious folks.
Just as domesticated and conditioned wolf, will behave like pet dog.

PDBonline:
Christianity is neither blind nor empty. When people are blind, they don't see what is real. The evidence of God abounds but atheists see nothing yet they believe in their unreal idea. We experience God because we are not foolishly trying to dictate to God how He should reign in His domain, rather we seek to understand Him just like we do for everything that is important to usTHINK ABOUT ALL. I REST MY CASE.[/quote

When you claim that God is real, yet you can't provide a verifiable evidence of its existence, what does that make you? A blind claimer or rational claimer?

How do you understand what is not real? Can you understand Spiderman?







_{[quote = post=51254127]Akintom, I think you gave up too soon. You never get anything very important and long lasting when you give up. Not that others have not experienced the "nothing appeared" or "no answer" you hinted in your previous comment but, like every successful researcher who have discovered major things, they didn't give up and now they have a THINK ABOUT ALL. I REST MY CASE.}

Not the way you think. I did that when i was a Christian. My employed variables were that which the bible prescribed. But non of them revealed God as REAL. but a mere idea that bears no impact on human existence.




[quote post=51254127]* Your annoyance against God and Christianity is like a student who failed anexam that others passed, yet is insisting that the teacher was bad or "he failed me". The question is: why you? When people blame someone else (in your case God) for their failures (in your case not seeing God when you prayed) they are not ready for successTHINK ABOUT ALL. I REST MY CASE.[/quote]You rather assume too much, and ignorantly as well. I have never left the responsibility of how my life is planned in the hand of God. Not even when i was a Christian.

I never believed in God's exam, talk less of sitting for it. I through God idea out of my mind, when i discovered (via rational and factual works), that God idea is a joke taken too far.