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LARRYDKING:
U won't hear the testimony of those who sow everything and got enormously in return. U hear what u want to hear. If goitre, cancer, swollen scrotum could disappear in the name of Jesus, what then is recession to God.

As a matter of fact, a lot who received divine healing in the programme would be willing to give their all in all in return for nothing.

That's the aim, hoodwinking the gullible.

* Goitre can surgically be taken care of

* Tumor can medically be taken care of

* Infertility can medically be sorted out

* artificial limbs can be given to amputees, and functional ability restored.

Despite the claim of "there's nothing god can't do", he's yet to cure mere malaria, not to talk of growing back an amputated limb.

Atheist syndrome.

sticlestm:
I dont understand your problem with the 'christian god' as u put it, but one fatal historical blunder u are making is saying Abraham came up with the idea of a 'Christian god'. Excuse me but the word 'Christian' did not surface until some 10 or 11 years after Jesus! That's millenia apart from Abraham!! They didnt meet!!! So how come?¿

Is no longer the same god that Abraham heard talk to him, that was the father of Jesus?

Is it not the same god, that the folks who were carrying on the rebellious attitude of Jesus, were claiming is their god?

And because they were been fanatical like Jesus, is that not the reason they were called "Christ-like"?

Try to reason outside religious mind, it will help present you as an intelligent mind. Religious beliefs numbs intelligence.

sticlestm:
Hundreds of people over historical timeline wrote the books in the Bible and most of them did not meet. If the events and lessons of the Bible were lies, how FANTASTIC THOSE LIES MUST BE!! In my opinion, they must have been well-told, impeccable lies that many generations after could not fault or reason beyond!!

What do you expect from a fictional story book?

Maybe you're not aware that there thousands historians, who documented Judeo-Christian activities.

Have you asked yourself, where the books written by the 7000 prophets that didn't bow to Baal are?

The Roman government selected the distorted and fabricated documents, and gave it as bible, and you are taking that to the bank?

The mythological and legendary books of Greek, Yorubas etc, have better chronology than the fictitious book you called bible.

sticlestm:
Again, dont u agree that the Roman Empire must be full of nitwits and nincompoops, bereft of basic, singular and straight-forward understanding that they would not only believe, but also adopt Christianity as a state religion, knowing full well that it was all a lie propagated by a backward, 'religious rebel' known as Jesus, who had also created a cult?¿
If u people dont understand something, is it by force to peddle your ignorance?

It's obvious that you neither know nor understand the political/Abrahamic religions history.

The Roman government adopted Christianity as a state religion, for a political purpose.

And Christian religion, as conceptualized by Rome, is a crafty blend of both monotheistic and polytheistic religions.

Religion is a political tool, especially in the primitive nations even till date.

sticlestm:
I think u need to go and do more research on these your allegations and stop embarassing yourself and fellow atheists!

Empty barrel can't but make irritating noise, when struck.

LARRYDKING:
Ok. FYI, Shiloh ended today and a lot of us got blessed by the 'Christian god' so I'm not interested in ur research. And I don't owe u any explanation too.

The usual charade and abracadabra....

LARRYDKING:
A lot of verified testimonies happen at the just concluded Shiloh, as a matter of fact, 905 person got heal on the spot while a lot more were adjoin to return for medical check up to rerun tests for those medical verdict pronounced by the doctor to be incurable.

You see, let every man serve his God and keep to his belief. For as many others reading, I want them to know the power of God remains incomprehensible by atheists or anyone else.

I overheard Mr oyedepo, deceiving you folks again, that you can give sacrificially to triumph recession.

How does the manipulative collection of the scarce resources of gullible folks, bring about recovery from recession?

Chuknovski:
tell me one name that brings the dead back to life, tell me one name that can heal the sick apart from Jesus, tell me who can kill and make alive, I can see that you are a devil from the pit of hell to confuse people from following the true God,

You have just abundantly further confirm, the many bare face lies of your primitive religion.

brodalikeme:
Someone will just wake up confused and refusing to embrace wisdom, hide under the cloak of atheism and start spewing foolishness. If you are so confident of your belief, why attack another.

It's called criticism, not attack.
By the way, why are you pissed because your god is being scrutinized?

THE FERTILE AND RATIONAL GROUND FOR REVENGE (2)

The Precipitation of 29th July, 1966 coup. According to Anene, “violence is abominable; it self-replicates and always worsens a bad situation”, the 15th Jan, 1966 coup was an act of violence perpetrated against Nigerians and prominently, against northern political leaders. It became an abomination against the Northern region, when its failure became fully analyzed.

This failed violent coup replicate itself because it was not managed well, and it eventually precipitated the 29th July,1966 coup and the civil war, which were worst events, compared to the bad event of the 15th Jan, 1966 coup.

Once the vicious cycle of offence and conflict is set in motion, how worst the subsequent offence and conflict will be, can only be known by the outcome. If the failed coup had been managed well by Maj. Gen. J. T. U. Aguiyi –Ironsi, who became the Head of State after the aborted coup, the precipitation of the worst events may have been averted.

Whatever remedial decisions Ironsi took, they were far from obvious and procuring justice for the North and against the coup plotters. Ironsi and all the leaders sympathetic to Ironsi’s decisions, on the management of complications of the aborted coup, gauged wrongly the grouse of the Northern leaders (political and military). The obvious delay by Ironsi to execute the coup plotters, and the civilians that aided them, was a significant irritation that made the worst revenge coup to fester particularly among the Northern soldiers.

If Ironsi had ordered the execution of the coup plotters by firing squads publicly and immediately, that would have first exonerated Ironsi himself from been thought to be sympathetic to the coup plotters.

Two, the execution would have given credibility to the subsequent reparative step taken by Ironsi. In the management of conflict, justice must not only be done, but must be seen to have been done, by the majority of the people that have been offended. And i had established that the 15th Jan, 1966 coup was an offense against the North. Even if the coup was an act of microscopic few persons of the Igbo origin, and the coup was not subjected to an open and large contributive medium (the requirement for success of any coup), the management of the failed coup is different. Ironsi had the responsibility to widely and openly consult the leaders across Nigeria and particularly the Northern leaders to arrive at a decision that could have made the coup a non-sectional one. There’s no rational or justifiable basis for Ironsi to have kept the coup plotter in prison for over five months after the aborted coup and not executing them publicly. Whatever was Ironsi’s intention, the revenge coup had taken care of it.

The Justification for the Revenge. The capacity of humans or human group to perceive and appropriate justice or injustice is what determines the nature that the vicious circle of offence and conflict will take.

The response to offense by humans, may be spontaneous or delayed (if the agents and atmosphere of offence is repressive), but every offence do elicit response. Whatever a man that has been denied justice does, is first justified on the injustice done the man, before the man is further subjected to another justice if an offense has been committed while he was correcting the injustice. Depending on the place where justice is been sort, final judgment is established by the decision of the majority judges. The decision of these majority is final because by rule, the decision of the majority becomes binding on all.

The revenge coup of 29th July, 1966 was a natural fall out of injustice, perceived by the Northern leaders, based on the very sectional nature of the 15th Jan, 1966 coup, and the way the offence created by the coup was managed by the Ironsi’s government. And if the highest power appeared not to be prepared to give justice, then the natural thing is to find a way of compelling the highest power to do so. And unfortunately, when it comes to this option, justice will now be largely and solely defined by the justice seeker.

So, the justification for the revenge coup and civil war, was that of natural and human response to offence, that was allowed to elicit intense emotional, rational, survival interest in the minds of the people, who felt offended and which ultimately lead to worst conflict.

At the time of the revenge coup and civil war, both sides of the conflict were not been guided by what is futile or irrational, but were focused on finding the fertile and rational ground to establish the ideological basis of their quest. The side that secured the judgment of the majority judge, has since move on with sense of accomplishment of their quest and the other group has since then felt treated unjustly.

In conclusion, like i earlier said, the vicious circle of offence and conflict has no termination point. The thickness of the circle can over time become thin, as people from both divides, gradually subscribe to the good interest of the majority across ethnic boundary, and shift the focus their quest away from parochial and ethnic interest.
This is the fabric of the history that Nigerians need to be abreast of, if the real desire is to see a Nigeria that will grow and develop prosperously, the diversity of culture notwithstanding.

Akingbade Thomas is a physiotherapist and Humanist.
empri41@gmail.com

THE FERTILE AND RATIONAL GROUND FOR REVENGE

By Akingbade Thomas

In the last seven weeks, Prof. Douglas Anene had been publishing an article he titled: "The futility and irrationality of revenge" , in the Sunday edition of vanguard newspaper. In this serialized article, he attempted to present what he claimed to be historical facts of the 15TH Jan, 1966 coup, 29th July 1966 coups and the Biafra war. With these historical facts, he hoped and wished that Nigerian youths and leaders will learn and allow themselves to be guided by this history in the process of national development.

From the title of Anene’s article, it’s not difficult task for me to know what his conclusions will be, even if i didn’t read the article, and i will be close to hazard guess of 80% correctness. My assertion is based on the fact that I am very familiar with Anene’s writings on various intellectual, national and religious beliefs issues, that he had written on in the past.

But because i intend to do a response piece on this present article of his, i had to wait till now that it appears he has concluded on the topic. I also will not want to base my response on inference not predicated on the grounds of argument in his piece. My conclusion on this article was forecasted by Anene himself –

“of course, some of my readers implacably convinced that the Jan. 15, 1966 military intervention was an Igbo coup would dismiss my contrary position from an Igbo like me, as evidence of ethnic prejudice. That does not really matter: as always, many issues i try to base my conclusions on available facts known to me and on good reasoning”.

My ground of response is not based on his presumed ethnic prejudice, but on the very intellectual component of his pre-defensed caveat, “…. as always, many issues, i try to base my conclusions on available facts known to me and on good reasoning”. This assertion, as far as this article is concerned, is an excuse or a cover up for ethnic bias that’s obvious from the very title of the article.

Good reasoning can only be built on good facts. Good facts can only be assembled from balanced documentations from various parties to a matter of discuss. An academic must be able to assemble these facts, synthesize them and present a balanced conclusion. It’s when this has been done, that he can claim to have written, based on available facts and good reasoning. If the fact required for balanced conclusion is not available, writing conclusion can be withheld until such a time that it is available or state the possibility of unknown facts that might have affected the conclusion.

The works referred to in this Anene’s writing, were largely from the authors sympathetic to the Igbos, the reference of authors that were neutral or non-sympathetic, were construed to support the predetermined conclusions. My conclusion therefore, is that this very article has suffered futility and irrationality, because it’s purely devoid of good reasoning. I shall now put forward my reply to justify my conclusion, under the following subheadings: The 15th Jan, 1966 was an Igbo coup, the coup offended the North, 15th Jan, 1966 coup precipitated the 2nd coup and civil war, and the justification for revenge.

Why it was an Igbo Coup. In attempt to refute the allegation of several authors and commentators on the 15th Jan, 1966 coup as Igbo coup, Anene has the following ground of argument; and i will paraphrase them thus: the Igbo leadership (military or political) didn’t meet anywhere to carry out coup, the Igbo had no sense of marginalization then, it was not all the Igbo military officers that participated in the coup, and some Igbo officers detailed to execute some aspect of the coup failed. To summarize his argument, Anene said;

“Yet, if the coup was not Igbo coup, why were the dissident mostly Igbo? How can one explain the very low casualty rate among prominent officers?
The fact that Dr. Azikiwe, Mbadiwe, Michael Okpara and the prominent Igbo politicians of the period were not killed war largely fortuitous – those ignorant of the laws of probability do not appreciate the fact that incredible coincidence, though rare; do actually occur”

By the above statement, Anene committed an outrageous intellectual crime, by insultingly saying that those who are not convinced, that the non-killing of prominent Igbo leaders is not coincidence, are ignorant of law of probability. This abuse of intellectual title can’t be excused for a professor of philosophy. Probability and coincidental event apply to randomly occurring event. And coup is not a random act or event. A failed or successful coup must have gone through a time bound planning and strategizing.

If major Nzeogwu, the ring leader of the coup and his conspirators, had woken up on the morning of 15th Jan, 1966, without talking to each other, and spontaneously proceeded to execute the coup, then a case of probability and coincidence can then be established, as the reason why no prominent Igbo leader was killed in the coup, except the prominent leader from the north.

The description of the coup as Igbo (the ethnic group) coup is an implicative one. The fact that the actors of the coup were Igbos, those who were killed were non Igbos and no prominent Igbo leader was killed (when according to the justification for the coup, Nzeogwu stated that all the corrupt politicians must be executed across the ethnic groups in Nigeria). The actors of the coup, the non-killing of prominent Igbo leader and the indecisive management of the after coup situation, all combined to implicate factually, the Igbo ethnic group. The justification for calling the 15th Jan, 1966 coup, an Igbo coup, is hinged on the above characterization.

In an attempt to dismiss this position, Anene said the coup had national acceptance, and that the north was particularly agog immediately after the coup, and that it was the northern leaders, that incited the northerners against the Igbos living in the north then, by telling them that the coup was an Igbo plan to rule over the north. Therefore, the stage was set for revenge.

This claim by Anene is just a shallow attempt to defend the indefensible. Anene should remember that the means of mass communication was severely limited to mouth to mouth means then. The northern officers who participated in the coup with Nzeogwu, and who particularly lead the killing of their own leaders did so, based on the ideological basis for the coup, as presented by Nzeogwu to them. There is this character trait that stands out amongst the average northerners. If you secure the trust and loyalty of a northerner on a deal, you can be rest assured that, that trust will not change. As good and reliable this is, it takes just one breach of trust from your end, to forever lost a northerner’s confidence or trust in you.

The immediate jubilation in the north was because of the success of the coup in the north, the northern solders had expected the same success in the south, based on the plan. It was when the news of failure, which leaned more to a failure resulting from conspiracy, that doubt of the sincerity of the coup plot was cast on the minds of northern solders.

In the art of politics and political survival, there’s no middle ground, you either submit to been ruled or you take up leadership. To achieve leadership politically, ideas, reasons, sentiments, misinformation and disinformation are fundamental weapon deployed by actors.

All of these factors positively played in favour of the north after the failed coup. Therefore, the description of the coup as Igbo coup is obvious, and the use to which that naming was put was an opportunistic premise for political survival.

The Coup Offended the North. Offence is the act of taking a deliberate, selfish or malicious liberty, to either irritate assault or suppress another person’s rights. Offence leads to conflict, and if the conflict is not resolved to the satisfaction of both parties, a vicious cycle is created – offence leads to conflict, conflict leads to more offence, and the cycle continues.

In most cases, where it’s impossible to erase the source of offence, the consequent conflict takes a perpetual nature. This perpetual nature might be in the form of agitation (by ethic or social groups), insurgency, militancy or literary works.

Offence at the level of irritation might incur easily resolvable conflict, but when assault is added to irritation, the consequent conflict often takes the mode of auto run. To the point that the 15th Jan, 1966 coup succeeded, it was an irritating offence to the north, but from the point from which the coup failed, the reality of sectional killings and the indecisive stand on the justice to be done to the coup plotters, the offence became an assault.

The thinking to the person(s), saddled with the responsibility of managing the perception and interpretation of the sectional killing, is exactly what Anene shared in his article;

“The rumor that it was an Igbo coup planned and executed to ensure Igbo domination gained ground across the country especially in the north…. We must state unequivocally, that the low casualty rate is a positive development ,because it wouldn’t have been beneficial to the country or to any individual for that matter if Dr. Azikiwe, Mbadiwe and Michael Okpara had been killed during the coup. Violence is abominable; it self – replicates and always worsen a bad situation. Therefore it’s a good thing if the number of deaths arising from any violence activity is minimal”.

With this kind of rationalization from Anene, nothing can be more injurious and provocative to the people, whose prominent political leaders where isolated and murdered. The word “rumor” is just an irrational and coward excuse, with the sole intention of saying that the response of the north is unwarranted.

I have established the fact that, there’s nothing close to probability or coincidence, in the non-killing of the prominent Igbo leaders during the coup. Therefore, what was told the northern masses had a factual ground, and for the purpose of politics, whatever this fact is tied to for effective sale, is irrelevant in that situation.

Again, Anene descend into intellectual insincerity, based on the fact that he’s an adherent of two fields of knowledge – Philosophy and Humanism, which both abhors sentiments. In Anene’s words, the low casualty during the coup, which deliberately excluded the Igbo prominent leaders, is a positive development; therefore it’s a good thing if the number of deaths arising from any violent activity is minimal.

My question to Anene is this, will he have said this, if the soldiers who lead the 15th Jan, 1966 coup were northerners, and the prominent political and religious leaders killed were Igbos? What Anene didn’t know, or mischievously choose to ignore is that, when it comes to human life and fundamental human rights, number is not just a statistical data. When it comes to human life and rights, number is an emotion, reason, interest, sentiment, memory, beliefs etc data.

The northern political and religious persons murdered during the coup, were leaders of a region of the country, which has a highly emotive attachment to their leaders. The intensity of this attachment can elicit a massive response even if it’s only one leader that is perceived to have been ridiculed or offended. This mentality by southerners, that the northerners are opportunist when it comes to politics and political leadership in Nigeria, to me is the most based level of reasoning. The northern establishment understands the basic and advanced principles on which sustainable politics and political leadership is built, beyond what southern establishment knows.


In 1993, MKO died under mysterious condition. The Northern establishment knew that the South-West was offended by all the events that eventually culminated in MKO death. The Northern establishment had different options through which they can placate the South-West, but they opted for the option of supporting OBJ to become the president. With this option, they knew that they will be able to return to national power without rational or sentimental oppositions after OBJ’s tenure.

To becontinued…….

balanceofterror1:
You, tell us your usefulness.

Atheism is setting humanity free, from the evil and delusion of religions.

*religion breeds terrorists

*religion breeds idiocy and low lifestyle

*religion is oppressive and indecent

*religion is divisive and offensive.

Sinkills:
So you don't actually have a single example of a New Testament born again Christian whether leader or laity who was polygamous? Yet you assume you are right and we wrong? So if redemption has taken care of marriage restitution as you claim why is there no single case of a New Testament Christian who married more than one wife? So who then is ignorant and who actually is the deceiver now? I am really sorry for anybody who will ever buy this your poison.

One of the ills of religious beliefs is that, it shut the critical reasoning ability of religious folks down.

The verses i gave you earlier, talks about the criteria for appointing leaders in the new testament Church.

If there were no "born agains" who were polygamists in those churches, why will the standard rule be needed?

For umpteenth time, you, Mr kumuyi and all other ignorant pastors out there are heinously wrong on this issue.

brodalikeme:
I am redeemed from sin, unity with God and given authority for TOTAL dominion. I dey firm!

I don't expect you to understand all these because you can't explain the beauty of the internet to an ant. It just don't have that capacity

Which of the sin?

Adamic or Mosaic sin?

Chuknovski:
whosoever wrote this is a wacko, how dare you talk about Jesus as a rebel? if not for his mercy, people like you should be fed to Dogs,

This Abrahamic god once fed children to bears, because they were tickling a deluded prophet.

Terrorists are fundamentally religious folks.

Luckylife:
This agent is not the first nor the last to try to lure confused victims astray . Many beyond it have try but failed big time , so only an experience will touch your confused/tapped spirit . Are you scare of the reaction of our Muslim brothers for will kill for their god that why you unwisely use Christians God ?

Do you know the meaning of Abrahamic god? It's called Allah by the Arabs.

Now send this to the blood thirsty friends you walk with.

brodalikeme:
Wouldn't have bothered about him, had he not entered my territory and yes. i have everything to back up my faith,

Let's have the defense of this your "territory".

Sinkills:
Can you please cite one or two examples of New Testament saints who married more than one wife?

I have corrected the heinous error of you, Mr kumuyi and all other ignorant pastors out there.

What else do you want to know now. You already said ok.

Why are you asking me for example, from the obvious?

oglalasioux:
He has got something to say. His ideas will help the world immensely especially in the area of terrorism like Boko Haram. There's no god laughing anywhere.

You want to see god? Look at the universe itself . That's where all the powers come from. And the Bible didn't give us a clue until Galileo turned his telescope to the sky.

If there should be someone who led mankind to the promise land, it's Galileo Galilei. If you want to understand the universe start studying the real prophets : Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr.... and the truths they preached shall set you free.

They will soon tell you that their scarecrow god gave the knowledge to these pathfinders.

SamJed:
Ok...we have heard...what next...how many bottles of beer did u win after this...please if u dont have anything to say, bring out ideas and inventions that will help the world...this will make u quite useful to the world too...God will just be looking at you people and be laughing..

Of course, the Abrahamic god pokes nose in the affairs of folks under the sheets, than prove its interventionist attribute.

To those who are being harassed in the name of Christian evangelism, just consider these folks as jobless and liars who mean no good, but evil and retrogression.

Today many souls perished, just because a church will not obey building rules and regulations. They believed Abrahamic god will hold the unstable Church building from falling.

skeendyke:
This is heartbreaking. May their souls rest in peace.

To those who asked where their God was when it happened, I will tell you. He was the same place when His Son was killed hanging on a cross, He was the same place when His disciples were fed to wild beasts, He was the same place when His followers were butchered by gladiators for public entertainment, He was the same place when William Tyndale was burnt on the stake, and many others...when Isis threw bomb in a church that killed worshippers He was there, when Christians were slaughtered in the North, were made to freeze to death in snow, were beheaded for their belief...He was always there.

Jesus did not promise physical life to all who believe in Him; He promised eternal life. They are as different as black from white.

He never said He would keep His people from dying physical or horrible death on earth; rather, He said He would give His people the strength to endure and He would never depart from their side even to the end of their lives.

If you scoffers know the passage where Jesus promised long physical life to those who believe in Him so that they will live forever on earth immediately they accept Him as their personal Lord and Saviour, please reveal the passage to me. I am all ears.

The whole Bible is a promise of misery, to as many idiots that will believe it.

The Christian religion, just like every other religions connected with a personal god, is built on deliberate and fabricated lies.

These lies have thrived, because these religions frowns at, preclude and penalises CRITICISM of their obvious LIES.

1. the Christian god is not a universal god, as they claimed. Their god originated from Haran, a primitive society, from where Abraham was born and raised.
Abraham created the mythology of Christian god.

2. The Christian god is just like any other gods of the African origin. Its nativity is haran, Canaan and Isreal.

3. Christian god was made popular by a religious rebel called Jesus, during the dominant rule of Roman government. It wouldn't have been known, if Roman government, hadn't adopted Christianity as a state religion.

4. Christian god was shipped to Africa and by extension Nigeria, during the colonial rule. It never came by revelation, but by observation.

5. Christian god is bestowed personal attributes, but its intervention lacks any trace in human experience.

6. Christian religion brands every other gods as demonic. This is gimmicks to sell the Abrahamic god.

7. The Christian god claimed he could return in folds, the money given to it by adherents, in the form of tithes and offerings. But it never happens.

It's a grand fraud been perpetrated, by the mechanism of suggestive control of the human mind.

8. In other to protect the Abrahamic god, Christian religion lies to its adherents, that reading any book that criticizes their god, can expose them to demonic possession.

9. Christians claimed that every book that criticizes Abrahamic god, is inspired by Satan. And that anyone who criticizes it, is possessed with demons.

10. Christians also claimed that ALL atheistic groups are demonic. This is done so that Christians will be biased when relating with an atheist.

11. Christian religion claimed that without the Abrahamic god, no one can succeed. And that anyone who succeeds without it, used satanic power.

reportnaija:
In what would have been a major tragedy, Gov. Emmanuel Udom escaped possible death by not arriving on time at a church programme he was suppose to attend in Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State. The Church building collapse. many people feared dead. over 80 people wounded.
see more photos below..

source
http://www.reportnaija.com/2016/12/graphic-photos-from-reigners-church_10.html

cc lalaticlala

When church can't obey building rules and regulations.

Like the synagogue magician, a demon would soon be blamed

In a sane society, the pastor will be charged for mass murder

NewsPoacher:
http://punchng.com/religious-groups-leaders-buhari-nigerians-hungry/

They should tell their members not to pay tithe and offering, until the recession is over.

hahn:
So I was doing amebo on Fb and came across this post.

What is your answer?

From the FB user:

Jewish doG wrote the Bible

4everGod:
I have told you before and will do so again. You will born yourself out with these hormone raging lot. All they want is to be right...even when they are wrong they would never admit to it as all its about to them is to win an argument and then jump on that to dance and chant that they have ridiculed God!

The moment they embraced atheism everyone became stupid and a dumdum in their eyes and only they are right and intelligent.

Spell truth out to them in capital letters and you would still be wrong in their eyes. Nothing you write is being read with understanding for truth...they are simply reading it and looking for either errors in what you wrote or little loopholes they can latch on to.

I have seen this play out too many times. I can be patient with them when its absolutely necessary but learn to pick your battles. Drop the truth and end it there. It will surely speak later if not to them but to another intelligent reader who truly seeks truth.

This is an avenue for a lot of them to vent since they cannot do so at home while under their parents roof so they have pent up anger and bitterness which is why curses and vitriol are always at the tip of their tongue and this is why i started off by describing them as raging hormonal people.

Wisdom is profitable to direct! You cannot win in their world and in their minds. You are already wrong even before you began. God is already wrong even before they opened the thread.


#saveyourstrenght!

Atheism has as its part mission, to exhaust religious mindsets, to the point of break. So that rational sense can take over.

PDBonline:
When you have to answer the same questions several times in different ways and they keep asking all over again... you wonder if atheism puts a cap on how far people can reason and grasp thoughts.
Understanding the perspective of someone else is different from agreeing with it but when they don't even understand.. that's the problem.

Sorry, you are simply talking to the wrong folks.

Perhaps your co travelers will be able to accept the claim, that a Jewish doG created them and that it's in control of their lives.

4everGod:
My position has been made clear on this thread and try as you would to twist that, it wouldnt alter the fact that you lot simply have this overwhelming need to be right but does that make you right? It actually makes you twisted like the one whose defense you jumped to. Even outside NL he is a sad lonely fellow that Akingbade character.

When a friend (Catholic Church member) was trying to comprehend a life without god, she started wondering-

* how it will be like not to pray,

* what to call out to fight imaginary enemies

*something to call when in danger of arm robbery, car accident, when threatened by witch doctor etc

This is the life of delusion that you religious folks, are morbidly afraid to abandon.

You guys are afraid of loneliness(life without your imaginary doG, nazarene and ghost).

I had been in the religious realm. It's a world full of foolish and dumb assumptions. You're not an exception.

EyeHateGod:
This doesn't change the fact that Yahweh gave steps on how slaves should be handled... The good Question would be does that sound like a "GOD" to you though am still wondering whose mind is actually Twisted...

The religious folks are now to me, herd of mere court jesters.

*Call them out to make nonsensical sounds and gibberish, they're gonna do it.

*tell them to start shaking like tilapia out of water and to start talking to themselves, they will do it.

*in this recession, tell them to give their savings, so that Jewish doG can double the money, they will do it.

I simply catch my fun this days, with their court jesting.

hopefulLandlord:
Nice one

its shows that the Abrahamic doG of the buybull is not as smart as even the mildly dumb human

he punished the Egyptians by sending plagues, hardening Pharaoh's heart so that he can send more plagues till he killed all firstborn sons, all these to free Israelites from slavery

that same doG then quickly gave Israelites instructions on how to make and keep their slaves forever and ever even passing their wives and children as automatic slaves

yet our deluded Christian apologists say he didn't support slavery?

I like seeing them wriggle and wriggle to no avail, its fun

These folks are beyond comprehension in grand delusion.

One of them, who masquerades here as logical entity, said incest is permissible, as long as it's the Jewish doG that approves it.

Certain folks that derives pleasure, in baseless suffering of humanity (slavery), and thirst of seeing folks, roasted in their imaginary hell, are nothing but psychopaths and sociopath.

4everGod:
Some people obviously need one!

Certainly not a deluded and blind one.
Your God didn't approve slavery, yet he gave rules about slavery.
Of course, it's only a god created by primitive Jews that can be this twisted.

4everGod:
i suggest you go through the thread "intelligently". God did not approve of slavery! End of story

I didn't know you're now a reading guide!

foladara777:
Am just going to post a few verses of the scriptures here showing the position of God towards slavery.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Now, u would think the new testament would forbid slavery but no, it doesn't:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

It's greatly disturbing that a supposedly good god who had the time to ban shellfish and the wearing of clothes off different materials didn't forbid one of the worst acts of man's inhumanity to man... What do you think??

This is another historical proof of the origin of God.

The God of the Abrahamic religions, is simply of the fabric and fashion of olodumare (God or almighty ) of the Yoruba traditional religion.

It's pitiable, that the tribal, vengeful, horrific, mean, genocidal, misogynistic and chauvinistic god of the Jews, is what is been romanced by most Nigerians.

Approval of slavery, is the worst bubble bursting, of this imaginary monster appellated as god.