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promise10:
yet to figure out a single sense from the above. I have seen none, because you definitely have none, thanks.

Simply because your capacity and capability to reason, has fatally been crashed.

KingEbukasBlog:
You keep talking foolishly and I just deign every damn time to respond to your rigmarole . You need to relish the attention I'm giving to someone like you

I gave you attention because i needed to checkmate your mischievous attempt to derail my thread. And to prevent your religious hogwash, from having foothold on the mind of any reader viewing this page.

You obviously don't understand any word of "empirical evidence".

Every of your claims of existence of God is referenced from the Bible, some Anecdotes (subject to all kinds of flaws, skews, and manipulations). How can all these your sources be taken seriously? Or accorded any authority?

Do you really take all these your religious buffoonery seriously?

KingEbukasBlog:
You have to prove that there is no God .

Honestly , I expected a profound rebuttal but its you so ...

The evidence for God's existence is overwhelming - including the design and complexity of Nature , intelligence in humans , social interaction , morality etc


You call the above evidences of your God existence? A slowpoke will do better.

KingEbukasBlog:
You have to prove that there is no God .

Honestly , I expected a profound rebuttal but its you so ...

I have told you that there's no empirical evidence of God existence. What you claim to be your evidences are mere assumptions.

The burden of prove is now on you.

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=51015343]You lack proper understanding of the issues you want to debate .




The Supreme Being is the precursor of the universe - the creative force behind the existence of nature . "God" is simply an appellation of the Supreme Being and in some depictions like in pantheism God is the universe .

A Personal God is simply an immanent God whose divine presence is experienced in Nature - interested/ intervening in the affairs of man etc



I already said that anecdotal evidence are empirical and verifiable . There are also well documented anecdotal evidences for levitation

E.g There are documented evidence of Catholic priests and levitation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_and_levitation

And there is the popular Joseph of Cupertino : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino

People witnessed these acts of levitation happen right before their eyes but of course the usual skeptics which involved believers of an impersonal God like the deists and the non believers like the atheists contravened the stories .



Prove it



Logical fallacy argumentum ad ingnorantim - it asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proved false (or vice versa). This means it is illogical to assert that God does not exist because you have not found empirical evidence or a lack of contrary evidence .

The evidence for God's existence is overwhelming - including the design and complexity of Nature , intelligence in humans , social interaction , morality etc

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You have prove that anecdotal evidences are absurd - its illogical to claim they are absurd without actually proving it . [/quote


Using Anecdotes to prove the existence of God that doesn't exist is = absurdity and delusion.


All that you have claimed as the evidence of your existence, is derived from your Bible. Just as evidence of a personal Spiderman can be established by script and cinema.

KingEbukasBlog:
You keep exposing your ignorance of God and Religion . Without religion , persons like Enoch , Noah walked with God . They lived morally good lives which were pleasing to God - this was during the antediluvian and pre-Judaism period .

In modern times : rejecting religious beliefs does mean not you have rejected God . Being good without religion does not necessarily mean you are good without God - some people believe morality was ingrained in humans by God , to know what is good and evil through reason and judgement for the betterment of humankind .

You know too little to be pontificating or being dogmatic about your opinions . Seriously man , stop embarrassing yourself .

It's now obvious to me, that you are pathologically infirmed of the ability to connect your arguments intelligently.

I think you will have to go study elementary basis of my writings, from my introductory posts on NL.

* I hold the view that God doesn't exist

* religion/God idea is a mental fabrication

* morality didn't originate from religion or God idea

* when i write "God" as against "God idea", i only assume, but not admit its existence in such instance.

Good without God is a reality. Without God idea, humanity will live better in the world.

GoodMuyis:
Am not asking you of your Job description, thank you

I neither told you any of such. Are you now retro-amnesic of your thread?

4kings:
Baba, i no get time 4 dis.
I came to your thread because i like the points presented and i want to see relevant contributions.
So don't derail your own thread, and focus on the object of this thread, since u cant figure out what's irrational about ur claim after introducing Gnosticism

Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
You never did young man . Saying that the God idea was dead because you felt anecdotal evidences are untenable . That's why I kept saying that if you reject anecdotal evidence , it does not impugn the existence of the Supreme Being.

Well if anecdotal evidence isn't cogent enough to prove that the Supreme Being is a Personal God , what do you suggest ? Or are you saying the Supreme Being is not a Personal God ?

You simply take pleasure in unnecessary advances of arguments. Perish it, it's irritatingly infantile.

Now that you're ready, let's get started.

Issues to debate:

1. God/Supreme being/personal God

2. Anecdotes/Anecdotal evidence


God idea is man created idea. There's no empirical evidence yet, of a REAL or TRUE God being. Therefore, God as a being doesn't exist.

A "personal God" is a consequential follow up to the God idea created and conceptualized by man. Of a necessary manifestations, that God must take on personal attributes.

Anecdotes are uniquely personal human experiences. All kinds of mental level of health can have experience. Psychiatrist and psychologists, have presented to us, all kinds of Anecdotes tied to God.

I not only reject anecdotal evidences, i consider them nonsensical.

KingEbukasBlog:
For the umpteenth time , anecdotal evidence is the best proof for a Personal God - this means it can't serve as evidence for an Impersonal God , the type the deists believe in . Deists repudiate anecdotal evidences no matter how cogent they are - to them there is no divine presence of the creator in the universe . Precis : To the deists , anecdotal evidence isn't proof for God's existence .

Is the Supreme Being also a personal God - that's another argument entirely and that is where anecdotal evidences can be scrutinized to ascertain if indeed The Supreme Being is a personal God .

If you can't understand this with its perspicuity , then I can't help you !

You're just wirlwinding, i understood all these your unnecessary reiteration, from the very post i quoted you from.

All my writings are focused on the idea of a PERSONAL GOD.

And in this my present post, am challenging this your outrageous claim of "anecdotal evidence is the best proof for a Personal God".

Anecdotal evidence is as useless as any other evidences advanced for the existence of a personal God.

Kalatium:
Not clear, but evidence shows that the earth and the human body has Thesame composition

Just the same way the composition of acts of God and that of terrorists are the same.

4kings:
I dont want to discuss Gnosticism with you, especially with this attitude
But i'm satisfied that u know ur irrational claim has been disproved.

Irrational claim?

You will do well to explain, point by point how you have done that.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ 4kings bro , please , can you peruse this thread so you can explain exactly what this young man has failed utterly to grasp

Now you need help obviously.

promise10:
I just wonder why kids are just flooding NL these days. I think seun should add age limit on NL.

The age of your cognitive development and functioning is obviously being inhibited by delayed developmental milestones.

Becoming tantrumic is the best bet for you.

4kings:
Gnosticism for example is harmless.

It's not harmless. In as much as the whole ideological concept of gnosticism is based on assumptions, abstractions and irrational imposition of rules that are of no unique benefits.

KingEbukasBlog:
If you keep up with the strawman , you may win a medal

You're certainly not been smart. To now want to create the impression that you didn't advance anecdote evidence.

The whole arguments of theists are based on anecdotes, and nothing more.

What is the meaning of the following?
* divine/supernatural encounter
* I felt the presence of God
* I sense the spirit is here
* I heard God saying, that is my wife
* I saw Jesus telling me to become pastor
* daddy said there are five people here that are hungry etc

4kings:
"Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate." - Agatha Christie

One good, brought about by religion will be sufficient.

Offerings of atheism

When clients who are either Christians, Muslims, herbalist, witch doctors and theists generally, sit across my table, and i begin to expose to them, how their foolishness and self inflicted delusion, that originate from their religious beliefs, has messed up their health, they can't but admit their utter stupidity.

Religious beliefs delude folks to believe that stroke is caused by Spirit, hypertension can be cured by anointing oil, diabetes can be cured by concoctions, diabetic sore is arrow of the imaginary enemies etc

When i help these folks to realize their stupidity, right in my office, they thank me and show gratitude, for redirecting them out of their hasty path of painful death, to path of rational health management.

That's the good that Humanism does for humanity. Good without God.

The campaign for secularity of states, globally, is liberating people from the oppression, victimization and inequalities, brought about by religious folks.

kilo4sure:
The idea of original sin in western theology is slightly different from that of the orthodox.
Parents who have diseases may transmit same to their children. This is how l understand original sin, and not the elaborate theology of saint Augustine et al.

I have always emphasized the idealistic basis of religion. Just that it's terribly an evil idea, that needs to be effectively constrained.

Religion does no good to humanity. It rather infect human with all kinds of evils.

rudepen:
it has helped to curb the natural sinful life of man

What is "natural sinful life of man"?

naijadeyhia:
He will still say he is smarter than you and that you still do not understand. lol

His life is built around definitions and Wikipedia and Richard Dawkins....He idolises the nutcase so as they rightly say, birds of a feather flock together. Union of Nutters.

You're just showing the character an average theist is made of - too much and reckless assumptions.

The very opposite of definition, is absurdity and ambiguity. The very solid basis of religious idiocy.

Welcome back my dear friend and happy Sunday.

ashjay001:
Op, my take on ur epistle is:

That some individuals need to provide anecdotes, to prove, substantiate their god belief, shouldnt now be d benchmark for every theist, deist!

You obviously didn't understand my post.

It's the theists e.g KingEbukasBlog, that claims that his personal Anecdotes, are sufficient and robust enough, to give evidence to the existence of God.

My post is about defining this outrageous claim, as another sinking ground for God idea merchants.

ashjay001:
Humanistic definition? So, since when did d individual u quoted, stop being human? Or, in ur biased mind, he doesnt have d right to have his very own humanistic definition of his version of 'God'?

Have you heard the word - Humanism/humanist/secular Humanism?

promise10:
must be too dumb?

why not answer the op ?!

Hey boy, I think you need to first ask felixomor and naijadeyhia, how i treated their lack of decorum.

How does this asinine response of yours, portrays you as a specie that belongs to the class of grown ups now?

Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent (1)

The concept of "eternal guilt" (original sin) is common to all religions of the world, although in a varied narration.

This concept is an unnecessary and destructive causative idea of psychological condition (eternal guilt consciousness), that must be prevented and cured, with doses of rational and critical thinking.

Using the textbook of one of the Abrahamic religions, the fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent basis of original sin can be unravelled.

Though the book falsely claimed that God created man as a free moral being, but there's no evidence to back this up in the bible.

Free moral being, connote that man have innate sense of morality (the dichotomous of good and evil), as defined by the culture of the society the lives in.

*Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If man MUST not "eat" (acquire) the innate sense and ability to KNOW and DO good and evil, how is man a free moral being then? according to biblical claims.

The unjust and baseless imputation of guilt by God idea on man, can only occur in badly cast set of a fictional movie.

Assuming the story is practicable, the exercise of free will by Adam and Eve, is just an evolvement of man to be more like God.

Didn't God say:

*Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
*Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
×Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Since God himself is both good and evil personified and does both good and evil, while will he have to find man GUILTY for the reason that man only evolved to be like him. God himself said:

*Matthew 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Man only perfected his free moral will, just as God himself. The action of God idea, that imputed guilt on man for this exercise of free will, can be likened to the judgment of Supreme Court judge on a young man who is INNOCENT of murder case.

Judgement: I hereby find you guilty of murder of "exercise of free will", you shall be shall be killed by electrocution, but this electrocution shall not be carried out until you turn 95 years old in the maximum prison, in case you die before then, your corpse shall be burnt to ashes. BUT, if you admit before me NOW, that you committed the murder, is shall set you free, as discharged and acquitted.

This you will say is ridiculous and irrational. That's exactly the meaning of the concept of original sin.

Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent (2)

In the first part of this series, I had established the fact that, religious beliefs are founded on and thrives on the concept of "original sin".

Purpose of this piece is to expose this concept as a negative psychological tool, employed by the obscurantists of God idea, to hold humans bound to religious slavery. It's unfortunate, that the captives of religion, are unaware of the obscurantic mechanism that is at work.

If a God can make you accept eternal guilt consciousness, that results from a sin that is not connected to your personal irresponsibility, then you can be held forever at the mercy of such a God.

There's a principle in theology, this principle is the foundation on which the idea of the transcendency of God beyond the definition of good and evil is built. I paraphrase it as - "privileged revelation of an infinite God". By this principle, theologians says that there's nothing known or can be known, except that which God choose to reveal by himself, to whom he chooses, and at the time he chooses.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

How does this relate to the concept of original sin?

The generational twist to the judgement of original sin, is also as unfounded as the alleged commission of the original sin.

1. Sin and its judgment is generational (first revelation of God on sin idea)

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the children's children, to the third and to the fourth generation.


2. Sin and its judgment is not generational (second revelation of God on sin idea)

Ezekiel 18:1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying,
Ezekiel 18:2 What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Ezekiel 18:3 As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

According to theologians again, if the second revelation on the same idea (sin) conflicts the first one, the second revelation, becomes Supreme, and automatically becomes the final word of God, on the idea.

Based on this principle, THE JUDGMENT OF ORIGINAL SIN CAN'T HAVE EFFECT BEYOND ADAM AND EVE.

Based on logic also, if two statements contradict each other on an idea, the two statements can't define the idea truly.


Haggai 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, said the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, said the LORD of hosts.

The later/second revelation of God on sin/judgment idea, is greater than the former/first revelation.


Conclusion:
the generational imputation of the judgment of the original sin (eternal guilt consciousness), can't be established biblically. There's no biblical basis for guilt, therefore, there's is no need for forgiveness from any God.

GoodMuyis:
We have Placebo Effect, Adrenaline Rush, positive thinking induction etc in Religion Christianity to be precise, and in one way or the other it helps.

Abeg wetin Atheism don offer wey epp mankind?
No come here come tell me say freethinking, I no be block head

Who atheism epp?

May be you should start by telling us, how religious beliefs has helped humanity. Then we take it from there.

Hope you will not run this time.

felixomor:
I can see the books you are reading.
Even Dawkins colleagues have started confirming his madness.
Keep following him. The asylum is near.

KingEbukasBlog lost his steam....
Naijadeyhia te'ri si, he sustained bald head.....
Felixomor te'di si, peppery stuff blew in there.....
Now, yo'all will need your God to come rescue ya all.

naijadeyhia:
Lmao what a bundle of contradiction. I wish you had any idea who you were yapping with. if you did you would do a double take and hurriedly swallow your words. Even the owner of NL knows better.

Let me leave you in your abandonment.

Hahahahaha.... Hahaha.... Hahahahaha

You know, am a kind natured guy. I do warn folks who engage me here to learn humility.

If they disregard this, am often compelled to inject bitter variant of submission. And it always make them fizzle out, just as you have just decided.

See you next time.

Tell Trump that that you guys, are waiting for him to help you folks, slow down US from the galloping into atheism. Since God is been sacked, from every spaces he occupied illegally.

felixomor:
U need mental healing.
Truth.

Now you're straying from rational line. Have you heard or remember, the book titled:

"the God Delusion"? By Richard Dawkins

You need to read it, and if you have, do read it again. It will help your mental adjustments to reality.

naijadeyhia:
feel free to mention my moniker...no need to space it out its naijadeyhia and not naija dey here.

You do realise that your delusion plunged you into this God nightmare. You seem unable to eat or sleep without first taking your daily dose of NL anti God thread.

If you were outside the shores of naija by now friends and neighbours would have called authorities on you as you are showing clear signs of schizophrenia and preposterousness aka derangement.

You hate God and believe he does not exist yet thoughts of Him wake you up in the morning and keep you awake at night.

Go get checked boy you are exhibiting signs of psychopathy.

O boy, don't get worked up. Ask your friend, felixomor, i can sometimes decide to inject enzymatic constructs into a brain, that i sensed has chronically become atrophied by religious filths.

I will forgive your ignorance this time, for the following reasons:

1. i know that you don't know the going ons outside Naija.

2. You don't know the medical meaning of schizophrenia or any damned psychotic, neurotic or psychosomatic conditions.

Next time you stray, your God might beg me to spare you.

naijadeyhia:
^^^^^ he thinks he just sounded sensible. lmao hahahahaha

Abandonment is a real issue with you. Deal with it.

Naija dey here, don't take it personal. Your God idea plunged you into this sh**t.