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DoctorAlien:
As far as He is understood, He exists. This is because you cannot understand something that does not exist. Suffice it to say that 2 can also be understood as 0.75 + 1.25. Or even 2 x 1. Or even 0.5 x 4. Or even 7-5.

There are some universally understood things about GOD:

1. He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

2. He created the Universe.

3. He sustains it.

4. He deserves worship.

All these your baseless claims streams from the fictional book that documented God idea.

Beyond the abstractive claims of this book, you can't establish any of this nebulous claims.

DoctorAlien:
All I see in this post is a person's idea and beliefs. Nothing worthy of consideration.

If no amount of belief makes something a fact, why do you hold evolution as a fact just because many "scientists" believe it?

Don't get yourself twisted on this. Scientific beliefs are based on derivable overwhelming facts from scientific investigation.

Not on abstractions that religious idiocy is founded on.

DoctorAlien:
What is your own GOD? If none, how did the universe come about?

It's certainly your badly contrapted God idea that is under scrutiny here.

You should also know that your question doesn't arise. Have you forgotten the meaning of Humanism?

DoctorAlien:
Who introduced the idea of GOD to primitive men?


The curiosity and imaginative components of the human mind (what the physical brain does), did the introduction of God idea.


I was holding on to my beliefs, anyway. I didn't call you into this thread.

Oh boy, you religious folks obviously live a life of hiding behind one finger. Don't you know that the world system revolves on competitive ideological balance?

Religious beliefs is an evil and inimical idea, that every rational beings have responsibility to ensure it's contained. It doesn't matter who or where it's being spread.

Do you realize you are addressing the public? Your bet is to keep your thoughts to the micro space of your brain. If you don't want to be challenged.

DoctorAlien:
What is your own GOD? If none, how did the universe come about?

My area of focus is God-idea, which was introduced by primitive (early) men, and being propagated by deluded modern folks.

It's the different oral and written accounts of this God idea, that tells the A-Z of all that can be KNOWN about God.

Therefore, i can only DISPROVE its existence by using the very means of its introduction into human experience.

That i have been doing with my writing on the series of "inherent evils in religious ideologies".

If you're not satisfied with the scientific position on the origin of life, then hold on to your beliefs.

DoctorAlien:
So I found this impressive piece on some of the most excellently thought-out arguments for the existence of GOD. It contains for the existence of GOD:

1. The Argument from Change
2. The Argument from Efficient Causality
3. The Argument from Time and Contingency
4. The Argument from Degrees of Perfection
5. The Design Argument
6. The Kalam Argument
7. The Argument from Contingency
8. The Argument from the World as an Interacting Whole
9. The Argument from Miracles
10. The Argument from Consciousness
11. The Argument from Truth
12. The Argument from the Origin of the Idea of God
13. The Ontological Argument
14. The Moral Argument
15. The Argument from Conscience
16. The Argument from Desire
17. The Argument from Aesthetic Experience
18. The Argument from Religious Experience
19. The Common Consent Argument
20. Pascal's Wager

Your God does exist, BUT just that it's the very one you created with your very minute knowledge base.

Just as spiderman exist in a better scripted fictional story book, than the one that created God idea.

Critics of fees charged by Covenant acting in ignorance, risk God’s wrath – Oyedepo

Jos – Dr David Oyedepo, the Bishop of the Living Faith Church worldwide, has appealed to those criticising the school fees charged by Covenant University to desist to avoid incurring the wrath of God.

Oyedepo, in a telecast to a pre-Shiloh 2016 Convention gathering of the church monitored via satellite in Jos on Saturday, said the critics were acting in ignorance and risked incurring the wrath of God.

He said one of such critic smitten with a strange plague of chronic mouth odour over the act only received spiritual pardon following his confession and “my intervention before he was restored to dignity”.

Bishop Oyedepo Oyedepo said the issue of school fees paid by students of the university was a godly agenda to meet the demands of raising godly children in an environment conducive for learning.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/11/critics-fees-charged-covenant-acting-ignorance-risk-gods-wrath-oyedepo/

felixomor:
And those who copy random regurgitated arguments from google multiple times in a week instead of sitting down to think by themselves are intellectually hardworking.


Yeah right.

You' certainly find simple understanding difficult. These posts of mine are not by any means new, they are known facts that establishes God idea as illusions.

THESE POSTS ARE MEANT TO EDUCATE NEW FOLKS WHO ARE JUST WAKING UP TO THE IRRATIONALITY OF RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

It might further create skepticism in you though.

felixomor:
When people continue to regurgitate misunderstood bible passages as evidence for their arguments.

You can only but question if those arguments are not signs of mental instability!

Sad!

Mental laziness is manifested when folks can't make a basic argument on facts or disprove facts.

Fact is, the biblical grounds of God idea is erroneous. Period.

Pele.

The very God idea is perfectly erroneous, to the extent of scientific and empirical facts.

felixomor:
Why didnt God do this?
Why didnt God do that?


Simple, God is not you and he doesnt think like you.

By every basic and advanced sense of reasoning, decency and empathy, your God idea doesn't measure up to me, not even when am in a sleeping state.

KingEbukasBlog:
Nairaland religion section , where lonely sad attention-seeking atheists enjoy talking about a God they claim does not exist every single day of their lives .

Someone need to check on them, their mental states , its a sad deterioration into insanity .

I understand how you feel dude. You know the disgusting and nauseating feeling you have, when you discover on your wedding night, that your newly wedded bride was ravaged endlessly in an orgy of canal diet by your barbarian gateman, just a day prior to your wedding?

That's is how it's flirting around with God idea.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Deuteronomy 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deuteronomy 3:6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them.

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.

http://saharareporters.com/2016/10/31/open-letter-pastor-sam-adeyemi-concerned-nigerian-psychiatrist-dr-olayinka-olatunde


Open Letter To Pastor Sam Adeyemi From A Concerned Nigerian Psychiatrist By Dr. Olayinka Olatunde Ayinde

As of the moment I type these words, we have zero evidence that witches and wizards or evil spirits cause mental illness.


Dear Pastor Adeyemi,

With due respect sir, your public assertion that mental health problems are caused by supernatural forces is completely false and misleading to the public as well as those who respect you and take your public utterances to heart. Sir, I suggest you seek the help of mental health practitioners for advice and guidance before speaking publicly about mental health issues so that you do not cause great public harm.

As of the moment I type these words, we have zero evidence that witches and wizards or evil spirits cause mental illness. Accumulated research over hundreds of years which have consumed billions of man-hours tells us that mental illnesses are caused by biological, psychological and social factors that often interact in a complex manner. It is the effects of these factors on the brain, which is the centre of mental functions, that lead to mental illness.

The biological factors include inherited conditions from our parents' genes, maternal infections from the womb, maternal consumption of unprescribed drugs and illicit drugs, infections in childhood that are untreated or poorly treated, dangerous drug use and so on. Psychological causes include child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic violence, bullying and so on.

Social conditions that can contribute to mental illness causation include poverty and unemployment. Treatments that have been developed according to this model of disease causation have been hugely successful, telling us further that the model is sound.

When uninformed persons attribute mental illnesses to supernatural causes, not only are they misleading the public, they are also inducing unnecessary fear in the public leading to stigmatisation and maltreatment of the mentally ill.

Up to 80% percent of Nigerians with diagnosable mental illnesses do not seek treatment for them. One of the main reasons for this derives directly from statements like yours. Your statement prevents mentally ill persons from seeking help, it makes them feel ashamed and takes away their dignity. It predisposes them to human right abuse by equally uninformed members of the public. It makes them seek help at the wrong places and delays the start of efficacious and effective Orthodox treatment thereby worsening their long term clinical and social outcomes.

Dear Pastor Adeyemi, your church and other churches can help mental health practitioners and the clients they see by referring to proper hospitals, persons with abnormalities in thought, perception, emotion and behaviour that cause them and their families distress, as well as prevent them from functioning optimally at home, work and society.

Also, your church and other churches can help by providing financial and social support to those who suffer from mental illnesses. You can create a mental health fund from your resources for the hospital care of the mentally ill. Humane treatment and respect for the dignity of all, including the mentally ill is something that should be preached from the pulpit.

Mental illness prevention begins from proper care of the developing brain from conception, meaning that women should have adequate care in pregnancy, the home environment should be conducive for the growth and development of children and the thriving of women, and maintenance of loving marital relationships. These can be preached from the pulpit.

Finally, Pastor, mental illnesses are not rare. 1 in 7 Nigerians will have one in their lifetimes. They also do not respect persons. They could happen to you or me or those we know. The overall principle then is this: how do you or I want to be treated when we have a mental illness?

I shall be glad to hear that you passed this message to your brethren and the entire faith community. You have a role to play in the spread of knowledge, in uplifting mankind and preserving the dignity of all men, especially those who are ill or weak and those without a voice.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Dr. Olayinka Olatunde Ayinde

RosaConsidine:
In a way it is part of what is being discussed. Existence in the absolute sense comprises of physical, metaphysical and/or ideological parts. As it stands, all things fall into the categories of being in existence or not in existence including the future and the unknown. Plainly put, in my opinion, God exists (regardless of what side of the religious divide you are on). Existence is a property. Nothing can be existence. Even If you say all existence is contained within God, then you are are using "all existence" as a noun to make it correct, not a verb which would be illogical. Like someone gave an example above, I'll give a different one. Usain Bolt may be the fastest man on earth but you can't say Bolt is speed because speed is intangible. Saying God is existence makes God intangible, meaning he doesn't have any actual attributes.

The summary of which is that God is an idea, that has been conceptualized into religious knowledge.

Just a legendary story badly constructed.

gabazin080:
though am a christian because i was born into a christian home. but some of this things now makes me start doubting God.
¤ Why didnt God kill satan from the beginning since he can see the future and knows satan is only going to bring trouble into the world and steal God'S people

¤ why did he put the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden when he knows its not good.

¤ why would an all loving God create hell when he asked us to forgive our offenders

Because God idea is a badly cast horror script.

RosaConsidine:
Interesting thread, asides the slurs being flung back and forth. Let me jump in on the current debate - existence and non-existence.

In my opinion, it is possible for something or someone to exist or not exist. The question, however, is what parameters are used for judging said existence. I think too often, we juxtapose "life" and all it's related tenses with existence. Let me explain with an analogy.

Take Harry Potter for example. As far as we know, no human boy that wears round glasses, has a scar on his forehead and was prophesied to defeat the dark lord ever lived on This earth. So to the average mind, Harry Potter does not exist and has never existed.

However, the very mention of the name "Harry Potter" evokes thoughts of a magical boy on a mission to rescue the world from evil forces. If Harry Potter Does not exist, how come we can have such thoughts that not only put a story to "him" but also attaches a persona and even an appearance when we know that If something Does not exist in the true sense of the word, then we cannot even have the slightest idea of what that thing is or should be like?

So Does/did Harry Potter exist in the physical sense of human existence? No (unless there's something J.K Rowling is not telling us). However, the fact that the mention of his name evokes thoughts of a person with a story, a persona and even an appearance is a pointer to the fact that he Does exist - just not in the physical sense but in the fictional and ideological sense. The pointer here is that a physical presence is not the only parameter by which existence is measured. In fact, the first proof of some form of existence is an idea of what that existence entails. For instance, If someone walks up to me and asks if someone named Donald Hilary Bush Kennedy-Clinton exists, my answer would be a profound no, since I can't attach any memories or ideas to any such person, whether real or imaginary. However, If the person asking has created a fictional character that goes by such a name and has attached attributes of physicality and ideology to the character, then the character Does exist - even If only in the mind of the creator.

Excellent simplification there.

QuietHammer:
I won't bother giving his biography as most people here likely know this highly respected man.

Christians, why do you hate him this much?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7607YiBso

It's just about 7 minutes

It's because theists originally created the HATE EMOTION, they can't but act out their nature. Their created God idea is the boundless source of hates.

gaelllic:
Look at it this way.

God, being all-loving, will do everything in His power to eradicate Evil.

This obviously includes the destruction of Evil and its sources.

This explains Hell and Suffering.

Love is non-existent in God idea. For theists, is just an eternal groping in darkness.

Lennycool1:
I doubt that as a christian you've ever truly thought about the very flawed logic of God answering your everyday trivial prayers.

People ask God for mundane things like
Passing exams
Marrying
Getting a job
Making money
Sunny weather


The list goes on and on and apparently you can ask God for anything(though it doesn't mean he'll always answer you) and when you do get what you asked for, no matter how trivial your request was, you'll instantly think God did it.

"My God has done it for me" is a very popular sentence for the religious, but what they fail to understand is that the moment you claim God answered your prayers it means he left these people

Prayer is a chronic symptom of illusion.

Lennycool1:
Pictures of starving children in the Biafra war was said to be what made Steve Jobs(cofounder of apple) turn to an atheistic religion. He couldn't understand why any God with a drop of human sympathy would let people suffer like this.
All those seriously sick and starving people, people with real problems that he could have helped. He left all of them to help you pass an exam, marry, get a job, get more money, have a car e.t.c
If your situation isn't immediately life threatening and you said God answered your prayer, then God is a misanthropic being.
Some people will claim that these people were not children of God, or that is the work of the devil, or that this earth does not matter.

I'll ask all those people to think about what they are saying
These children live in the poorest of poor countries, they have no education, no food, no clean water and for some no parents, the missionaries don't even want to go to these war ravaged places and when they do they only cover a small territory, so most of these people have never even heard of Jesus or even Yahweh. They never had a chance to hear God's word.
They're too busy trying to survive with nothing. But they are still children of God right? So why would he let them suffer more than any human ever should, I'm sure some of them wished they were never born into this life, but they were

And you say God got you a job, a car, a house, admission, more money. Do you now understand while its stupid to say God answered your prayer? That he left all these suffering people and wasted his power on you and your irrelevant need..
In a world with God and pastors with jets this should not exist.


God either does not exist or he is Malevolent


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Prayer is a chronic symptom of illusion.

UyiIredia:
The one being asinine is you. Theists do change their minds about God given reasons and it doesn't always have to be complex and ensuring as you claim. What matters though is that your claim has been shown false. Think before you type.

And it took you this long?

bennyann:
You see, scientists don't mostly agree with each other.

OP, when you sleep everyday and then wake up, what comes to your mind? Don't you know it means you die everyday because you're not conscious of yourself, infact you're not even in control of your body when you sleep.

Or do you think you just wake yourself up, I mean by yourself?

Please, next time post your topic without discrediting it before or concluding for theists. For crying out loud, that was an observation with a proof by a scientist. You killed my interest with your intro just before reading. Next time you want to discredit a scientist, do that with a scientific proof also.

A scientific paper can be discredited by peer review mechanism. Not only by another scientific proof. When a research design is obviously flawed and skewed, no need to for an experimental disprove.

Below is another fluidy, badly designed, unscientific and outrageous conclusions of an experiment. The theists will certainly want to hug this one.


German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
By MyCentralHealt

A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life.

This controversial process that was repeated on 944 volunteers over that last four years, necessitates a complex mixture of drugs including epinephrine and dimethyltryptamine, destined to allow the body to survive the state of clinical death and the reanimation process without damage. The body of the subject was then put into a temporary comatic state induced by a mixture of other drugs which had to be filtered by ozone from his blood during the reanimation process 18 minutes later.

The extremely long duration of the experience was only recently made possible by the development of a new cardiopulmonary recitation (CPR) machine called the AutoPulse. This type of equipment has already been used over the last few years, to reanimate people who had been dead for somewhere between 40 minutes to an hour.

The team of scientists led by Dr Berthold Ackermann, has monitored the operations and have compiled the testimonies of the subjects. Although there are some slight variations from one individual to another, all of the subjects have some memories of their period of clinical death. and a vast majority of them described some very similar sensations.

Most common memories include a feeling of detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of an overwhelming light.

The scientists say that they are well aware the many of their conclusions could shock a lot of people, like the fact that the religious beliefs of the various subjects seems to have held no incidence at all, on the sensations and experiences that they described at the end of the experiment. Indeed, the volunteers counted in their ranks some members are a variety of Christian churches, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and atheists.

Near-death experiences have been hypothesized in various medical journals in the past, as having the characteristics of hallucinations, but Dr Ackermann and his team, on the contrary, consider them as evidence for the existence of the afterlife and of a form of dualism between mind and body.

“I know our results could disturb the beliefs of many people” says Mr Ackermann. “But in a way, we have just answered one of the greatest questions in the history of mankind, so I hope these people will be able to forgive us. Yes, there is life after death and it looks like this applies to everyone.”

Share us your thoughts and comments below. Thank you so much for dropping by and reading this blog post and please share this to your friends.

Think about the research procedures, the validity of the experiment, and most importantly: the source of the information.

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dailymail.co.uk/news/article-89926/Scientists-discover-near-death-evidence.html

indiatoday.intoday.in/story/there-is-life-after-death-says-german-study/1/382271.html

4everGod:
Which statement came first.

LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE AND AFTER OUR LIKENESS or the one you just stated above.

Again I ask you what does the word LIKENESS mean?

The Bible is not a story book you just read and claim you know it...Scripture balances scripture.

Pls tell me what Likeness means and stop this your nonsense. Is Likeness physical or all encompassing?

I give you freedom to check every dictionary known to man.

After creation God made a profound statement...HE SAW THAT ALL HE HAD MADE WAS GOOD.

Now after this action by Adam for the first time God mentioned the Word EVIL....God only knew Good and always did good even with evil present but here Adam magnified Evil via disobedience and evil came into the mix with that which God already initially declared as GOOD.

Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent.

The concept of "eternal guilt" (original sin) is common to all religions of the world, although in a varied narration.

This concept is an unnecessary and destructive causative idea of psychological condition (eternal guilt consciousness), that must be prevented and cured, with doses of rational and critical thinking.

Using the textbook of one of the Abrahamic religions, the fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent basis of original sin can be unravelled.

Though the book falsely claimed that God created man as a free moral being, but there's no evidence to back this up in the bible.

Free moral being, connote that man have innate sense of morality (the dichotomous of good and evil), as defined by the culture of the society the lives in.

*Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If man MUST not "eat" (acquire) the innate sense and ability to KNOW and DO good and evil, how is man a free moral being then? according to biblical claims.

The unjust and baseless imputation of guilt by God idea on man, can only occur in badly cast set of a fictional movie. Assuming the story is practicable, the exercise of free will by Adam and Eve, is just an evolvement of man to be more like God. Didn't God say:

*Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

*Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

×Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Since God himself is both good and evil personified and does both good and evil, while will he have to find man GUILTY for the reason that man only evolved to be like him. God himself said:

*Matthew 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Man only perfected his free moral will, just as God himself. The action of God idea, that imputed guilt on man for this exercise of free will, can be likened to the judgment of Supreme Court judge on a young man who is INNOCENT of murder case.

Judgement: I hereby find you guilty of murder of "exercise of free will", you shall be shall be killed by electrocution, but this electrocution shall not be carried out until you turn 95 years old in the maximum prison, in case you die before then, your corpse shall be burnt to ashes. BUT, if you admit before me NOW, that you committed the murder, is shall set you free, as discharged and acquitted.

This you will say is ridiculous and irrational. That's exactly the meaning of the concept of original sin.

Concept of original sin is fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent.

The concept of "eternal guilt" (original sin) is common to all religions of the world, although in a varied narration.

This concept is an unnecessary and destructive causative idea of psychological condition (eternal guilt consciousness), that must be prevented and cured, with doses of rational and critical thinking.

Using the textbook of one of the Abrahamic religions, the fundamentally flawed, skewed and fraudulent basis of original sin can be unravelled.

Though the book falsely claimed that God created man as a free moral being, but there's no evidence to back this up in the bible.

Free moral being, connote that man have innate sense of morality (the dichotomous of good and evil), as defined by the culture of the society the lives in.

*Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If man MUST not "eat" (acquire) the innate sense and ability to KNOW and DO good and evil, how is man a free moral being then? according to biblical claims.

The unjust and baseless imputation of guilt by God idea on man, can only occur in badly cast set of a fictional movie. Assuming the story is practicable, the exercise of free will by Adam and Eve, is just an evolvement of man to be more like God. Didn't God say:

*Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

*Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

×Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Since God himself is both good and evil personified and does both good and evil, while will he have to find man GUILTY for the reason that man only evolved to be like him. God himself said:

*Matthew 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Man only perfected his free moral will, just as God himself. The action of God idea, that imputed guilt on man for this exercise of free will, can be likened to the judgment of Supreme Court judge on a young man who is INNOCENT of murder case.

Judgement: I hereby find you guilty of murder of "exercise of free will", you shall be shall be killed by electrocution, but this electrocution shall not be carried out until you turn 95 years old in the maximum prison, in case you die before then, your corpse shall be burnt to ashes. BUT, if you admit before me NOW, that you committed the murder, is shall set you free, as discharged and acquitted.

This you will say is ridiculous and irrational. That's exactly the meaning of the concept of original sin.

4everGod:
Why do you keep doing this to yourself by spewing ignorance all over the place.

If man was made in the image and Likeness of God already what does LIKENESS mean?

It means inner attributes and abilities and character which includes Knowledge otherwise God would not have given Him dominion over the earth as He had dominion in Heaven and would not have put him in charge of keeping the garden.

When God said that man has become like us KNOWING good and evil it means man has exposed himself to evil but unlike God who is spiritual the earthly man cannot control or bear this evil.

it simply means man has engineered his own corruption and downfall by exposing himself to the error of disobedience. The choice to do good or evil has always been there but God expects that we always Choose good despite the presence of evil.

That comment by God did not mean that was when knowledge began it shows when error began in disobedience. Now Adam was not only swimming in good but he was now swimming in a mixture of good and evil (error) and being earthly did not have the capacity in God to always choose good.

This would be my last reply to you because your ideology here is warped.

PS...I am not ifeoluwa or whoever that is.

I know you are not ifeoluwa. It's this reply i gave the ifeoluwa when he also tried to conflict himself further, just like you.

From your further conflictions above, take time to read what you have written, and you will see where you simply entrap yourself into meaninglessness of creationist theory.

Just wait for my further simplification of the psychological fraud called original sin.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
May God have mercy on your wretched soul.

Seriously?

rhektor:
Lincoln might be however, this is not a good way to respond to the post refute or accept it. Don't try to derail the thread

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The thread is already derailed. Even if i assume that is concocted facts are true, that still doesn't establish the creationist theory.

4everGod:
@ akintom the way you make ignorant submissions is alarming and it indeed puts paid to my suspicion of your mental state...

Here you are are claiming that God gave no moral compass to Adam as if God showed you His blueprint of making Adam....However if indeed God did not give a moral foundation to Adam why then did He go ahead and issue an instruction/ advice/ warning to him if not that the ability to obey or disobey was already in Adam.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, you shall not
eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof
you shall surely die.

That scripture was the instruction/ advice/ warning to Adam and for such an instruction to have needed to be given it means clearly that the ability to obey or disobey was already with the receiver of the instruction.

A robot with a set of programs needs no further rules as its set on its path but man being of a free will is no robot. Did God interfere with the naming of the animals He created? That was Adams sole responsibility and if he was given charge of Eden it also meant he already had the ability to choose and know what was right or wrong for the creation he was placed in charge of.

Can a baby be given responsibility? No!

A man with intelligence and decision making capability is the one given responsibility over anything.

Your post this early morning shows your pain towards God and in that pain you failed to reason like an adult and are reasoning like a child who has no responsibility and no real purpose or job in life otherwise you would have sat down and given some thought to a very simple thing which your brain missed which I have exposed to you here.

CAN YOU GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO ANYONE WHO ALREADY DID NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MAKE DECISIONS?

Chew on that and go back to sleep. Perhaps when you wake up again your brain would be in tip top shape because right now its probably hung over.

You're just assuming too much, take time to go through this, but be careful how you respond, because you will be confronted with what may cause you to bolt away....

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

By your submission, knowledge as used in the verse (gen 2:17), means "active applications of moral sense" that they already had.

Let me assume you are right, but not agreed.

But if you read gen 3:22, pls note the word "know" (active applications of moral sense - according to you).

From this verse, God said man had NOW become like him to "KNOW" (capacity to do evil and good), WHICH MAN DIDN'T HAVE PRIOR TO EATING FRUIT.

My question to you,

If man didn't have "KNOW" (capacity to do good and evil), how possibly could man had done evil against God?

*Remember that it was after they eat fruit, that they now possess the capacity to be moral.

Perhaps this will help you. You see, no human has capacity to both be clinically death and alive. You only have capacity to be alive or dead.

Therefore, since it was after Adam and eve eat fruit, that they developed capacity to ACT good and evil, it does mean they possess NO such capacity before eating.

So, it was wrong for God to hold them responsible for what they had NO capacity of doing.

xedyl:
Where are you going with all this God doesn't exist? have you tried convincing ur families ? you can start with ur parents and extend it to ya family friends... why always bring it here on NL? can't u see you are becoming restless on this issue? Get a life bro.

Another incongruous emotions there. Are you scared that some theists might wake up from religious coma?

felixomor:
"Intelligent debate" indeed.
Same u that opened a thread copying a witchcraft story from vanguard newspaper and linked it to "religious people"

Have u forgotten?
I was expecting ur reply on that thread,
It never came.

Because ur folly was laid bare.

So dont talk to me about "intelligence" again especially in the middle of threads like these that reflect deliberate ignorance.

No, dont.

Eyah...... Sorry, it appears you're feeling bad. Don't feel guilty about your original sin, your saviour has eaten it.

If you have gat something close to intelligent yawns, meet me anywhere between Genesis - Revelation.

Pele....