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felixomor:
The self acclaimed 'wisest" man on nairaland.

When everybody becomes delusional, just know you may be on your way to an asylum.

Safe journey,
To the Redundant atheist pastor.

felixomor:
The self acclaimed 'wisest" man on nairaland.

When everybody becomes delusional, just know you may be on your way to an asylum.

Safe journey,
To the Redundant atheist pastor.

naijadeyhia:
Wow such filty talk from a *tamed* folk. Why am I not surprised.

when a persons stolidity is so cyclopean that he becomes so madcap for attention and relevance he begins to sound like you.

Your acerbity towards anything God is only affecting you as you are the one who gets up at 6am just to post a rabid attack on God which to me makes you look absolutely dippy and for lack of a better word, extremely abandoned.

Get up and start doing and rant less.

ewarrior.

Berlynn:
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a lot of us believe in this concept that Jesus is the son of God why some thinks Jesus is God..


Was Jesus God? If so, to whom did he pray tp? Who resurrected him? Are you saying he did not really die?

Answer
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

The above clearly shows Jesus is the Word made flesh. That He is God incarnate. Then we have:

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (John 14:9-14:20)

The above passage clearly tells us that the Son dwells in the Father, and the Father in the Son, that is they are ONE Jesus is the father the son and the holy spirit!


To whom did Jesus pray to?

Jesus prayed to His Heavenly Father of course. One person to another, yet the same deity. This is obviously very difficult, perhaps even impossible, to fully comprehend for the human mind, though. However, one must bear in mind that God is infinitely much more than we can possibly understand. God is infinite, and we mortals are merely finite. There is no ratio between the finite and the infinite, and as such the two are beyond comparison. In the passage I quoted above from John 14, Jesus asks Philip to believe that he is in the Father and that the Father is in him. He asks him to have faith in this truth, and therefore we should not reject it, even if we cannot understand it.

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KingEbukasBlog:
Anecdotes: Another Evidence Of God's Existence

^^^ Reeks of ignorance

KingEbukasBlog:
@ akintom

Also change the title of your thread . Anecdotal evidence can only serve as proof for a Personal God not the Supreme Being .

The deists who acknowledge the existence of the Supreme Being (God) reject beliefs in a Personal God .

Hopefully you'd understand that not adhering to this would make you look ignorant especially to people like DeepSight , 4kings

KingEbukasBlog:
Please bro , learn how to quote someone well na .

KingEbukasBlog:
Prove it

KingEbukasBlog:
I was telling CoolUsername the kind of evidence suitable for a personal God not the Supreme Being . The personal God is all about the Supreme Being being interested in human affairs - his divine presence experienced on earth . Humans having personal relationships with him etc .

The usual half full, half empty syndrome. What useful value is the semantics - "a personal God" or "Supreme being".

Searching for "anecdotes" and "anecdotal evidence " will produce different results .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

And yes anecdotal evidence are susceptible to logical fallacies - cum hoc ergo propter hoc , the post hoc fallacy , hasty generalizations etc . There are so many other factors that could fault anecdotal evidence such as cognitive bias .

And this is still a robust experience, to base the existence of your God?

Notwithstanding anecdotal evidence can still be empirical and verifiable .

Exactly what you can't do, in this very case of your God.

E.g There are documented evidence of Catholic priests and levitation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_and_levitation

And there is the popular Joseph of Cupertino : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino

People witnessed these acts of levitation happen right before their eyes but of course the usual skeptics which involved believers of an impersonal God like the deists and the non believers like the atheists contravened the stories .

Who remembers Acts 8:9-24 - Simon the magician

Does magic now part of the evidence of the existence of your God?



You can read about his works and people's experiences with the magic he performed here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Magus( He also levitated )

There are so many verifiable anecdotal evidences- well documented .

Wilgrea7:
you don't need to travel the mountains before you find God.. you don't need to run to pastors... look within you

KingEbukasBlog:
What other questions ?

If you have more questions , I'd like to see them . But make sure they have not been answered in previous pages sha

KingEbukasBlog:
Its magniloquence - I enjoy expressing myself in such manner . My elocution is not so good , so its more magniloquent writing

KingEbukasBlog:
This response is succinct , perspicuous



You are the one trying to obfuscate my response .

Let me make it clearer though

Christians who deprecate tithing and first fruit do so because they believe its part of the tradition of the Jews .

Are they now Jews or what?

Christians who still tithe and offer first fruits do so because of the spiritual/financial benefits - people have testimonies concerning this .

Do you really believe that?

How on earth is the above abstruse

Because It really doesn't make any useful sense

Your intention was to ridicule my response no matter how profound or sagacious it is apparently .

KingEbukasBlog:
Please read and comprehend next time
thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
These are contentious issues for sure , but Christians still obey those laws because of the spiritual/financial benefits .
Can you now see for yourself, why will keep telling you religious folks that, religious craving is stupid?


Some Christians disagree though - that tithing and first fruit offerings should not be paid

DoctorAlien:
The Bible should be the only creed of the Christian. And as such, in matters concerning doctrine, the Christian knows that there are only two sides: the wrong teaching and the biblical teaching.

Another important fact is the harmony of the entire books of the Bible. We know that no part of the Bible contradicts another, "for GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." 1 Cor. 14:33. Therefore, a Christian understands that:

1. The Bible is totally in harmony, and is devoid of any form of contradiction.

How could you make this deliberate false claim? More than a thousand times, here on this NL, your Bible has been presented to you as one single fictional book that failed story consistency and rationality (full of perceptible and confirmed conflictions and contradictions).

Stop this jokes plsssssssssssssss.....

2. Perceived contradictions in the Bible will be cleared up if the Bible is diligently studied with the help of the Holy Spirit.

The contradictions are not only perceptible, but confirmed.

3. It is grossly wrong to base a doctrine on just a verse of the Bible, and that the entire books of the Bible must be consulted to find out their harmonious opinion on a matter, before conclusion can be drawn.

Verses upon verses, and precept upon precept, whatever is harmonious in the bible, is based on the "the God in whom there's no good or evil" concept (if God does evil, he can't be questioned). What a God?

4. If a verse of the Bible appears to contradict a host of other which are in harmony on an issue, a better understanding of that verse must be sought.

johnydon22:
I have been going over this board from day to day without really contributing, reason because most of the topics are either irrelevant to me [doesn't concern or tickles my curiosity] or it is simply cliche - something i have gone over time and again during my "very active days"


So it all seem boring and uninteresting to me and i yearn for some fun here at least something intellectually, philosophically challenging.


I remember as a kid in primary 6 i always thought teachers to be more important than Doctors, i still do actually but during our school debate my teacher made me argue for Doctors.

Which brings me to the purpose of this thread, lets for once leave our comfort normal zone and argue from opposite perspective than we normally do - lets swap role.

The debate is

Does God exist?

The idea is that someone who do not believe in God would swap role and argue that God exists with his points and same Goes for someone who hold a belief in Gods - lets see how well we do it out of our comfort zone

This is sorely an intellectual exercise, just to do something differently for fun - so arguing for God or opposite does not affect or change your default position..

To start - first state your default position and then state the position you'd argue for in this thread..

I'm hoping to have real fun here!!!

For the people in Enugu, there is a live debate by thinkers Pub hosted by MrAnony on this same topic [Does God exist?], i will debate live on that day [As an atheist this time ]

If you'd like to see me argue live and get to see a smashing debate, you are free to come and watch.

Date : 10th November 2016
Venue: Golden Toast Restaurant independence Layout Enugu
Time: 6pm prompt]

KingEbukaNaija:
Christians follow the teachings of Christ . Christians should understand that the Mosaic Law is not for them but it was for the Jews .

Judaism is both religious and cultural and those Mosaic Laws were what moulded the Jews as the people of Israel .

bennyann:
You see yourself, you've concluded without research not to talk of evidence.

Anyways, when I say I've noticed atheists are not free minded, this was what I meant:

Atheists are not willing to accept someone else’s beliefs, way of life etc without criticizing them, even if they disagree with them.

Will you believe me, if i come to you and say: bennyann, i hacked your bank account yesterday, and transferred 100k into my bank account, after the hack.

Would you believe me? When:

* you didn't receive alert to that effect?
* you checked your account balance and it showed your known balance?
* you even went to your account officer, and he confirmed that your account is intact?

After all these your confirmatory checks, albeit to the contrar, i still insist on my claim that i hacked into your bank account.

That's exactly what you religious folks do. You make claims against peoples lives, without evidence. And when we even give you the benefit of the doubt, to check for you, after presenting you with the contrary evidence, you folks still insist on it.

What other definition of Delusion is better?


If you need evidence, please go back and read through all the pages of this thread starting from the first page or you may visit other related threads cos I feel so lazy to do that for you right now.

bennyann:
People thought for themselves which led them deciding to become theists or atheists. So what's the difference? All I know is there was a thought.

AND they still think for themselves so as to decide whether to remain in it or not.

People are not robots, they have free will.

On what variables did you conduct the analysis, before you arrived at your conclusion on atheists?

Nothing, just the usual "i believe", "I know", "I'm sure", of the religious folks.

It just dawned on me that atheists are not free minded which shouldn't be.

I'm beginning to think atheism is a religion.

Ukutsgp:
Why do we have so many different doctrines in churches today? Is the bible not one? Is God not one?.

Some will say pay tithe others will say no need. Some will say ladies can wear trouser others will say ladies should not wear trouser. Some will say, ladies must cover their hair others will say ladies should not cover their hair in church. Some will say, there is hell other will say there is nothing like hell fire. Some will say God is three in one others will say God is only one. Some will say u can pray through mary and jesus others will say pray only through jesus christ. Some will say fast others will say no need to fast. Some will say the earth shall be turned into paradise other will say there is no such thing, that we will all leave earth to heaven in the last day. Some will say give your first fruit offering other will say there no need for that anymore. Some will say we should worship God only on saturday which is the sabbath day others will say it is on sunday we should worship God. Some will say no christmas others will say there is christmas. Some will say christians can marry more than one wife other will say they cannot. Some say you can wear earing and fix nails others will say you must not wear earing and fix nail(for ladies). Some say you can do blood transfusion and take drugs others say you cannot do blood transfusion and take drugs that all you need is to apply faith. etc.

Somebody tell me, is this not confusion?. Hw can we know the truth now. Or who have a clear answers to the above different doctrines peddles by different denominations today. I wonder sha!

God help me o.

KingEbukaNaija:
Are there questions about God , the bible or Christianity that have been bothering you for a while now . Please post them so they can be addressed by knowledgeable Christians on this forum .

GoodMuyis:
PROVE IT WITH PHYSICAL EVIDENCE

naijadeyhia:
More like your depth in atheistic Ignis Fatuus is so subaqueous that you actually think Medicine excludes God and God does not transcend Medicine.

Atheism has been ripped apart and still is daily and I am loving it.

naijadeyhia:
And as miniscule as you are you see yourself as its deliverer? I think we know who the deluded one truly is.

Go take some painkillers for your butthurt.

naijadeyhia:
it seems your ireligion is meme based as all I see coming from you on verious threads are memes. Wake up and smell th coffee. The train has left the stations. It left thousands of years before you were born and will atill be here long after you are gone ( if Jesus tarries)

naijadeyhia:
is that all? Have you finished?