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felixomor:
Jesus taught us to pray
Saying

"Give us our daily bread"

It is people like u that will interprete it that Jesus only prayed for "bread"
It doesnt include beans or any other type of food.

Mscheww.

Even kids know better.


I even remember explaining "the knowledge of of good and evil in that thread





But here u come again blowing hot ignorance with pride.
Claiming nobody answered u.


Get a job, bro.

I still hold my conclusion about you. You don't measure up when it comes to intelligent debate.

Ignoring you is the option. But not when you come on my thread to goof.

If you think you have anything to offer, ENGAGE ME WITH YOUR BIBLE and not some irrelevant and puerile allegories. Get into Genesis to Revelation and disprove my conclusion on God idea.

God must be joking

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

From the above Bible verse, God by this statement:

"the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil"

created the sense of MORALITY.

By this sense, man will know what is GOOD (obeying God) and what is EVIL (disobeying God).

But this ridiculous God of theists went forward to issue MORALITY commandment to a man that he didn't give SENSE OF MORALITY to.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.

The question to the theists therefore is this:

Since God didn't CREATE SENSE OF MORALITY IN MAN, how does God INTEND that man, WILL be able to OBEY OR DISOBEY him?

Since the SENSE of OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDIENCE is a FUNCTION of MORALITY sense.

ORIGINAL SIN: a negative psychological twist.

Following my last week post - God must be joking, wherein i stated that God had no justification to input sin in Adam and eve, because he didn't give them capacity know good and evil (assuming bible is not a badly written fiction).

Some theists have attempted exegesis to deny this error in the bible, but they succeeded only in conflicting themselves. And as it's their attitude, they went rationalizing, pseudoscientific, indecorous and silent, instead of admission of failure - cognitive dissonance.

The concept of ORIGINAL SIN is a mere psychological mechanism by which the primitive and irrational modern men behind God idea, hope to forever hold humans bound to irrational guilt feelings, and the need for an illusionary guilt eating saviour.

Positive psychology of sense of morality, is anchored on the attitude of taking personal RESPONSIBILITY for our lives as humans. This is what creates and sustain a decent and good humanity.

AquaCancerian:
When Abraham heard a voice in his head ordering him to perform a human sacrifice of his own son, How did he know that it was God? By what criteria did he arrive at that conclusion? Because he said he was God? Couldn't he have been the Devil? Is Satan not the Father of lies? "If he says he's God, then he IS God!"; was that the logic Abraham applied? How the heck could he have known who it was?

WHO IS GOD? Is he Yahweh? I think not. Kindly peruse perspicaciously, Deuteronomy 7:1-6, and cogitate over it.

Nowhere else in human history is the story told of a universal God promising a certain tribe a specific piece of land, already occupied by others, and helping them to wipe out the inhabitants in his name. It is the maddest of all mad ideas, the quitessence of evil. You Christian fellas are saying that you see nothing wrong at all with the God of the cosmos colluding with a nomadic tribe to violently steal a land and exterminate those who live there. What was the Nazi policy of lebensraum (living space)? - to steal the land that belongs to others in the name of God (the Fuehrer) and the Chosen People (Master Race) and annihilate all the Canaanites ("sub-humans" who lived there.

If you condemn the Nazis, why aren't you condemning the Jews (and their God), you hypocritical, moronic cunts? Is extermination OK when "God" orders it, but not when a Fuehrer orders it? Is that what your "moral" compass tells you? Are the actions of God ALWAYS moral even when he is butchering babies, old men and women, and even the unborn?

Does morality have anything to do with God? You accept God as the ultimate judge of morality. And that's because you define him as all knowing, all seeing and infinitely good. In other words, the definition of God excludes the possibility that he could do any evil. However, if a divinely sanctioned Holocaust is the product of belief in an infinitely good God, wouldn't the world be better off if people stopped believing in such a God?! (Since the believers are effectively telling us that they'll do the same following the example of Abraham if a voice in their head claiming to be God tells them to, making them extremely dangerous lunatics.)

The central problem with you guys is that you chose to define as "God" a being that was immoral and evil. You then defined this wicked "God" as morally perfect. So, the immoral and evil actions of God had perforce to be reinterpreted as morally perfect to satisfy the definition of God. But once you have defined immorality and evil as morally perfect, mehn, you have entered the madhouse. You had the choice of defining acttions as moral or immoral or of defining a cosmic being as moral or immoral. You chose to define "God" as moral. Once that definition is in place, you never once asked whether God's actions were moral or immoral. By definition, they had to be moral even though they self-evidently weren't.

We can look at an average human being and see that they perform some moral actions and some immoral ones i.e people are sometimes moral and sometimes not. No one has any difficulty with this analysis. But imagine that Adolf Hitler were defined as someone who could perform ONLY moral actions and no immoral actions at all. Then all of the evil actions he performed would have to be reinterpreted as moral. That, in effect, was what happened with Yahweh. His legion actions of evil were simply reinterpreted as good because that was necessary in order to maintain the fiction that God was God.

Anyone who says that ANY of Yahweh's actions is immoral is saying that HE IS NOT GOD. So, EVERY action of Yahweh is "right" and must be defended. So genocide, rape, holocaust, murder, human sacrifice, theft, pillage, extermination..... these are all morally correct PROVIDED that God orders them because, of course, God can give no immoral order by definition. Do you see what a work of satanic genius this is? Yahweh was able to have his acts of absolute evil called "good". Billions of human beings worship him. And all because these people were irrational, illogical and incapable of concluding that actions are either moral or immoral no matter who performs them. If God performs any immoral action whatever then he is instantly exposed as not God. You people however chose to conclude that an immoral action couldn't be immoral if God performed it. So, if Hitler orders the Holocaust then that is the most evil act in human history, and no one will ever shut up about it. If, however, Yahweh orders the Holocaust then it is just, good and his victims completely deserved it, and anyone who says otherwise should be exterminated (or as it is now, would be consigned to Hell. MY WAY or HELL!! is the message of unadulterated terrorism). And everyone shuts up and never talks about it ever again.

What? You guys are FVCKING MAD hollow people completely removed from the world of reason.

Someone who justifies the extremely horrific evils of God idea, is just but a case of clinical deluded mind.

There's no way a decent society can give uncontained freedom to such folks.

babz007:
sometimes i am really afraid to go to bed because my dreams are always horrible and very real, i have defied gravity so many times to the extent that i know how it feels even when i am awake i use to think it was just a normal thing until i start having persistent dreams of seeing myself flying and defying the laws of gravity it is so real it baffles me a lot, sometimes i tend to speak big grammatical English that i have never spoken when i am awake, sometimes while awake i tend to predict future happenings, because i use to have this feelings i cant explain about seeing a particular event happening before but i do not remember......please help me out i didnt bargain for all these

The subconscious component of your mind is intensely active. You have acquired sufficient knowledge to provide answers to some questions, in a unique way.

Your duty is to find that out. Whatever you do, you might stop having such experiences after some time.

Rucheen:
science without religion is lame., religion without science is blind..
A Lincoln

Lincoln was wrong on this one. Science has since gone beyond moon, without religion.

UyiIredia:
So why did you post that nonsense there that theists can change their mind when they do. Not to mention the fact that some theists don't need to be overwhelmed to change their minds.

You're certainly bereft of capacity to comprehend my gist. I speak of rational atheists, and not some disillusioned folks who claimed being atheists.

The pathway to mental reconditioning process for a changed theist to atheist is complex and enduring.

Seek understanding of my gist, rather than fooling around here.

UyiIredia:
And the theists who became atheists after reading atheist viewpoints were ? Unable to change their minds ba ?

Theists play the victims, with the persecutory credentials. This they intend to present as proof of realness of their religious experiences.

Change of mindset in this context is used as denoting the denial effects of confronting theists with emptiness of their claims.

Theist can change, when sufficiently overwhelmed with reason.

The rational atheists are better suited to normal life, than theistic mindset, about the real world of humans.

Religion (traditional and organized) is an idea that derived its origin from human mind. The creation of religion by man was made possible by the use of two basic instincts of human - imagination and conceptualization.

The primitive man generated - mental - images (imagination) of a "probable super being", as the one behind the awe inducing natural phenomena, they had no means of explaining the causes. This process evolved into - traditional religions.

The modern man, conceived and actualized (conceptualization), the organization of the traditional religious ideas into a body of knowledge - theology. The very foundation of organized religions.

Religious ideologies, created the only known vicious cycle in human experience: myth - horror - fear - hatred - conflict - war - pain - needless death.

Religion created this evil via the: in-group/out-group system of classifying human beings.

You're either an in-group or out-group member of any religious group.

An in-group member of a particular religion, perceives a fellow human beings, who is an out-group, according to how his religion has conditioned his mind to perceive human beings.

If his religion says an out-group person is a sinner, enemy, infidel, condemned, hopeless, demonic, foolish, lost and going to hell, so he will perceive his fellow human being. No matter the good moral standing, as long as the fellow is an out-group person, the perception will forever not change.

This is the reason why a Muslim who converts to Christianity, can be killed by his own biological father. And will feel no pain doing it, rather he will be glad he had fulfilled his religious duty. The Same way a Christian father will treat his son who became an Atheist, as an outcast and demon possessed.

Because religion is made of the fabric, of in-group and out-group system, anyone wearing the garment of religious beliefs on his mind, CAN'T BE TOLERANT of divergent and opposing ideologies/humans.

winner01:
Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capability of looking far backwards or far into futurity, as a result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting, I feel compelled to look to a first cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a theist. - Charles Darwin (The life of Charles Darwin (1902). p60.)



God created us fearfully and wonderfully. Despite the fact that some humans do not accept that all of nature was intentionally designed, we continue to be witnesses to such creative genius and intrinsic design in Nature.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4404983_screengrab20160924113022edit_jpeg72011c553209aa4b7bac942572a072a6

God showed His creative ability when He created us (humans) in His image and ever since, we have been striving to imitate God in almost everything, exhibiting creative power, showing emotions, exerting authority and assuming control over our respective niches.

Man has a wide range of unlimited abilities and I believe he has only scratched the surface of technological advancement.
Man's level of intelligence and creativity is so unimaginable that it has left majority of humans in awe of the mighty power of a Creator who could give rise to such creative beings.
Many of these beings are naturally intelligent that the full cycle of school has sometimes proven to be a hindrance to the explosion of their creativity. As a matter of fact, most of the brightest minds, inventors and innovators either did not go to school or did not complete the full cycle of school.www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405070_img20160705181335edit_jpeg38c7b6d18f2ca525d45fb6b9ddc950afNon academic genius is not restricted to humans alone.
This might be proof that man needs to look inwards and exploit his God given gifts.


It is also worthy to mention that a minority of humans chose to deny that design is evident in Nature, instead they attribute beauty to a prolonged combination of time, natural materials and chance thereby removing the (Personal) Creator God from the picture.
Personal because of the ability to make choices. God chose to create the universe.www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405015_s18300593edit_jpege1f7afe88a869848f640d50b80909241
It is not surprising that some humans think this way. About 4000 years ago, King David described the denial of Gods existence as:
- Foolishness (Psalm 14:1)(because of the compelling evidence of obvious design) and
- Pride (Psalm 10:4)(because of the pursuit of ones lustful desires).

Pride is one of the major problems of man. It has been the cause of major wars, violence and the dark eras of history. Pride clouds the natural emphatic thought process of man. www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405140_s3682225edit_jpeg91c960b33c8bbed6236aa2503051e386
Whenever man eventually opens his eyes to the results of his pride (such as poverty and starvation), he still blames God for it in arrogance and anger.
However in reality, God has created a world which can provide for man's needs, man still wants to satisfy his greed.
Pride makes its difficult for man to love his neighbour as himself (as commanded by Jesus) and submit to authorities, both man-made and God.

The height of pride is to reject the existence of ones Creator.
The acknowledgment of the creator God basically demands that man lives according to God's will and remain accountable to Him. This places a restriction on the evil desires of man.
However, like a child who feels he has outgrown his parents restrictions, like a child who believes his parents are nothing but stupid old people, like a child who wishes his parents were never alive to guide him, the atheist seeks to impeach God and replace him with any of his creations, any at all (Anything but God)(Romans 1:25).

Yes, atheists may live as normal as any other christian or even better. Their lives may be free of challenges like any other human. (Matthew 5:45). It may seem as if there is no reason to believe in God.

A similar scenario was illustrated in the movie God's not dead where a successful atheist exchanged words with a deeply religious old lady. Their conversation went thus:

Mark (atheist): "You prayed and believed your whole life. Never done anything wrong. And here you are. You're the nicest person I know. I am the meanest. You have dementia. My life is perfect. Explain that to me!"
Mina's Mother: "Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to God. Their sin is like a jail cell accepted, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late."
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405038_s19085465edit_jpeg42df71ab3236aa9d7efd7f0d471d8882Pride distances man from God, launches man into the territory of the enemy and gives the illusion of freedom.

Mina's mother is right. Its all vanity. As William Shakespeare wrote: "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player. That struts and frets his hour upon the stage. And then is heard no more"
Virginia Woolf even shoots more directly: "In any case life is but a procession of shadows, and God knows why it is that we embrace them so eagerly, and see them depart with such anguish, being shadows."



Atheists may even go further than just disbelieving, to spend the only life they have to invest their time and money relentlessly to lead people away from the gospel (as evident on Nairaland).
In extreme cases, they may push to annhilate religious folks to limit the spread of "superstitions" as acted out by several atheistic communist countries, terror groups such as the League of militant atheists and individual violent parades.

These collective actions goes to show however that it is difficult to completely lack a belief in God (I mean totally), it is much easier to suppress the truth and live a lie. It is much easier to spend enormous amounts of time and energy trying to convince oneself and other people daily that God really does not exist.

It simply goes to show that God has impressed this fact in our hearts. It's why this subject is heavy on the heart of every human (atheists and theists alike) whether they chose to accept it or not.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4400209_1446285011497481017389922993709444359847789n_jpeg31a9e5cba8693fc3a9b47aec7f3d58a1


If you are an unbeliever reading this, and is not sure on which God i'm talking about out of the 5000+ gods, well, you owe it to yourself to do your own research, to find out the truth irregardless of what you've heard or been taught.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4404918_s28684729edit_jpeg7af29ac0ae033f6926b6e52facb201ae

Today, we demand that Jesus expresses Himself in our midst when in actuality we have never been as distant from Him as now. Why not humble your heart and seek God in truth and sincerity.
It does not matter if you were born into a christian family or not. You need to do your own independent research to know who Jesus really is.

It also does not matter what you have done, it does not matter what evil has happened. Jesus Christ is waiting with his out stretched arms to welcome you back.
Jesus Christ loves you, died for your sins and has provided a solution to the bridge between man and God caused by the devil.
Indeed, only the lamb of God could take upon the sins of the world, conquer death and seize the keys to the gates of hell.
Hallelujah!!!, Man now has a way out and it remains a choice as God will not take the priviledge of freewill from man. Man can either accept or reject this wonderful offering from God.
There are consequences for our every decision, and the decisionwe make concerning this matter is no different.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405149_s22826428edit_jpege2677acd36f56e260acca0bb35c81626
The Good news is Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. Accept him today and flow the life of God out to other people.

God bless you.

The God idea, though personified, it lacks any trace of good human attributes.

God idea, as described in the religious text, is HATRED personified (all forms of heinous atrocities known).

Those who created God, but conflicted themselves by claiming God created them, are the ones who wholly converge their HATES, in the God idea they created.

Love is inexistent in the character of the God idea.

winner01:
Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capability of looking far backwards or far into futurity, as a result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting, I feel compelled to look to a first cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a theist. - Charles Darwin (The life of Charles Darwin (1902). p60.)



God created us fearfully and wonderfully. Despite the fact that some humans do not accept that all of nature was intentionally designed, we continue to be witnesses to such creative genius and intrinsic design in Nature.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4404983_screengrab20160924113022edit_jpeg72011c553209aa4b7bac942572a072a6

God showed His creative ability when He created us (humans) in His image and ever since, we have been striving to imitate God in almost everything, exhibiting creative power, showing emotions, exerting authority and assuming control over our respective niches.

Man has a wide range of unlimited abilities and I believe he has only scratched the surface of technological advancement.
Man's level of intelligence and creativity is so unimaginable that it has left majority of humans in awe of the mighty power of a Creator who could give rise to such creative beings.
Many of these beings are naturally intelligent that the full cycle of school has sometimes proven to be a hindrance to the explosion of their creativity. As a matter of fact, most of the brightest minds, inventors and innovators either did not go to school or did not complete the full cycle of school.www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405070_img20160705181335edit_jpeg38c7b6d18f2ca525d45fb6b9ddc950afNon academic genius is not restricted to humans alone.
This might be proof that man needs to look inwards and exploit his God given gifts.


It is also worthy to mention that a minority of humans chose to deny that design is evident in Nature, instead they attribute beauty to a prolonged combination of time, natural materials and chance thereby removing the (Personal) Creator God from the picture.
Personal because of the ability to make choices. God chose to create the universe.www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405015_s18300593edit_jpege1f7afe88a869848f640d50b80909241
It is not surprising that some humans think this way. About 4000 years ago, King David described the denial of Gods existence as:
- Foolishness (Psalm 14:1)(because of the compelling evidence of obvious design) and
- Pride (Psalm 10:4)(because of the pursuit of ones lustful desires).

Pride is one of the major problems of man. It has been the cause of major wars, violence and the dark eras of history. Pride clouds the natural emphatic thought process of man. www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405140_s3682225edit_jpeg91c960b33c8bbed6236aa2503051e386
Whenever man eventually opens his eyes to the results of his pride (such as poverty and starvation), he still blames God for it in arrogance and anger.
However in reality, God has created a world which can provide for man's needs, man still wants to satisfy his greed.
Pride makes its difficult for man to love his neighbour as himself (as commanded by Jesus) and submit to authorities, both man-made and God.

The height of pride is to reject the existence of ones Creator.
The acknowledgment of the creator God basically demands that man lives according to God's will and remain accountable to Him. This places a restriction on the evil desires of man.
However, like a child who feels he has outgrown his parents restrictions, like a child who believes his parents are nothing but stupid old people, like a child who wishes his parents were never alive to guide him, the atheist seeks to impeach God and replace him with any of his creations, any at all (Anything but God)(Romans 1:25).

Yes, atheists may live as normal as any other christian or even better. Their lives may be free of challenges like any other human. (Matthew 5:45). It may seem as if there is no reason to believe in God.

A similar scenario was illustrated in the movie God's not dead where a successful atheist exchanged words with a deeply religious old lady. Their conversation went thus:

Mark (atheist): "You prayed and believed your whole life. Never done anything wrong. And here you are. You're the nicest person I know. I am the meanest. You have dementia. My life is perfect. Explain that to me!"
Mina's Mother: "Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to God. Their sin is like a jail cell accepted, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late."
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405038_s19085465edit_jpeg42df71ab3236aa9d7efd7f0d471d8882Pride distances man from God, launches man into the territory of the enemy and gives the illusion of freedom.

Mina's mother is right. Its all vanity. As William Shakespeare wrote: "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player. That struts and frets his hour upon the stage. And then is heard no more"
Virginia Woolf even shoots more directly: "In any case life is but a procession of shadows, and God knows why it is that we embrace them so eagerly, and see them depart with such anguish, being shadows."



Atheists may even go further than just disbelieving, to spend the only life they have to invest their time and money relentlessly to lead people away from the gospel (as evident on Nairaland).
In extreme cases, they may push to annhilate religious folks to limit the spread of "superstitions" as acted out by several atheistic communist countries, terror groups such as the League of militant atheists and individual violent parades.

These collective actions goes to show however that it is difficult to completely lack a belief in God (I mean totally), it is much easier to suppress the truth and live a lie. It is much easier to spend enormous amounts of time and energy trying to convince oneself and other people daily that God really does not exist.

It simply goes to show that God has impressed this fact in our hearts. It's why this subject is heavy on the heart of every human (atheists and theists alike) whether they chose to accept it or not.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4400209_1446285011497481017389922993709444359847789n_jpeg31a9e5cba8693fc3a9b47aec7f3d58a1


If you are an unbeliever reading this, and is not sure on which God i'm talking about out of the 5000+ gods, well, you owe it to yourself to do your own research, to find out the truth irregardless of what you've heard or been taught.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4404918_s28684729edit_jpeg7af29ac0ae033f6926b6e52facb201ae

Today, we demand that Jesus expresses Himself in our midst when in actuality we have never been as distant from Him as now. Why not humble your heart and seek God in truth and sincerity.
It does not matter if you were born into a christian family or not. You need to do your own independent research to know who Jesus really is.

It also does not matter what you have done, it does not matter what evil has happened. Jesus Christ is waiting with his out stretched arms to welcome you back.
Jesus Christ loves you, died for your sins and has provided a solution to the bridge between man and God caused by the devil.
Indeed, only the lamb of God could take upon the sins of the world, conquer death and seize the keys to the gates of hell.
Hallelujah!!!, Man now has a way out and it remains a choice as God will not take the priviledge of freewill from man. Man can either accept or reject this wonderful offering from God.
There are consequences for our every decision, and the decisionwe make concerning this matter is no different.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4405149_s22826428edit_jpege2677acd36f56e260acca0bb35c81626
The Good news is Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. Accept him today and flow the life of God out to other people.

God bless you.

Hey,
This is another collection of evidence of the cognitive dissonance that afflicts the theists.

The God that you folks created, but that you now assumed created you, is HATE personified, just as you his children stinks of HATE scent.

Omudia:
Akintom

I don't if you're just daft, stupid or both How does this concern religion? What part of this writeup involves religion. Atheist delusion is now grandeur.

Senseless post!

If i had not posted it, your likes would have claimed that it was your illusionary prayers, to your imaginary daddy in the sky, that brought him down.

That's how daft, you folks can descend.

kolaish:
Sorry I just saw your write up, have been busy in my workplace. Beside Adam and Eve, there are those called the sons of God, actually they are falling angels on earth that came to mingle with humans -

Genesis 6:4: The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.



Beside this, the list of witnesses to Jesus Christ is overwhelming, that is, besides the prophet of old like Moses, David etc and his disciples’ narration, if you go to the roman museums, you will still see some of the stories in their archives, not to talk of spiritual manifestations that I myself have seen and heard. For example, I heard the voice of the holy spirit clearly when I want to choose my wife twelve years ago. I marveled some years ago while I was in Jerusalem that all the biblical stories are still intact and they are sites to behold. My brother, fabricated stories cannot be these real; from Tower of David to mount of olives, the dead sea, pool of Bethsaida etc.

"i heard the voice of the Holy Spirit clearly....... "

For real ? Or you're being sarcastic?

mecussey:
its still didnt make sense to me....a free thinker would say "whether you believe there is God or there is no God, you are right. However, let us make the world a better place" unlike atheists who claim all knowing...religious folks are deluded, brain washed..bla bla bla. The bible said this did that, Quaran did this and that.

To help your sense of comprehension.

The world evolves and revolves on ideological basis, and not some self-deceiving basis of ideological neutrality.

As humanist and neuroscientist that i am, i have been able to establish, that religious beliefs are inimical to human growth and development.

Therefore, i am stimulated to drive the world in the direction of meaningfulness and good.

It's not acceptable to us to have some folks who are obviously deluded by religion, to dissuade people from taking their medication, just because they believed in some illusions called "divine healing". Thereby causing needles death of folks.

These are what informs our consistent and continuous enlightenment.

mecussey:
In this case, you are just stressing yourself to convince believers that they are wrong. In secondary school, at a time we had to choose science or arts...why will i waste my time trying to convince art students that science is better? The way atheist preach there is no God...as if they had querrel with the God. If I were u, i will not waste my time preaching there is no God.

You religious folks assume too much, albeit irritatingly.

*atheists stressing themselves?

Another word for stress is stimulus. Every human being is under the influence of stimuli. So, debug your mind from negative connotation.

Atheists are stimulated by the factual intelligence, as against the badly written fictional book (Bible) that stimulates you folks to assume without evidence.

*quarrel with God?

Another puerile assumption of you religious folks there. There's no denying the fact, there are some who became atheists, following disillusionment from religious beliefs. But i refer to INTELLIGENT ATHEIST (those who discover God to be just a mere idea, in the course of their studies in different areas of their chosen career).

We are not preaching, we are just sharing our writings, enlightening people, in the similitude of enlightenment that the knowledge of ICT is doing.

We seek no convert, just people who can make informed choices based on empirical evidence, as against empty claims of religion.

mecussey:
My bro, wisdom is sorrow....Just channel this energy to inventions or discoveries. The more you want to enquire about God, the more you are lost. Honestly, God will not answer any of this your questions which is the best answer anyway. For now, we no get light for Africa, if you can provide cheap 24hrs light for Africa, you are God sent, in fact you can even claim say u be one of the angels and nobody will question you.

No intelligent atheists is interested in the enquiry into discovery of God.

We have established, as a matter of fact, that God(s) is a creation of religious beliefs of humans. God is an assumptive idea, conceptualized into organized religious beliefs.

Our writings is for the purpose of enlightenment for those still held bound, by the shackles of illusion and delusion called religious beliefs.

One person per time, will be awakened from religious comatose state. And the evidence of this work, is the increasing number of Nigerians that are now awake from religious idiocy.

Religious folks are extremely ridiculous. It's this type of story below that Christians used in proving the power of their God.

When in actual rational sense, the witches and wizards, that they claimed are possessed by imaginary spirits, are mere psychotic/psychosis cases.

By Godwin Oghre

Sapele—A man, who confessed to newsmen that he was ‘flying’ from Benin Airport, Edo State, to attend a meeting in the United Kingdom, before watching a football match going on simultaneously in the coven, also in the United Kingdom, was, yesterday, discovered at Ajogodo River, Sapele, Delta State. Fuel finished in my ‘private jet.’ The self-confessed wizard said:

“I was flying in with what is known in the physical realm as ‘Plantain Leaf,’ but it is actually my expensive private jet in the coven realm. “It crashed me into this bridge, when the fuel in it finished. My members will be here tonight to refuel it for me, so I can continue my journey to the UK.

“I have to be in the UK to watch football, because there is economic recession, unemployment and inflation in Nigeria.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/crashed-flying-benin-uk-says-man-found-sapele-river/

pchukwudi:
I think it is LESS about what I (or you) THINK (consciously speaking) but much more of what is deeply rooted within you or me (unconsciousky speaking).

You are the second person I know of on this forum who publicly expressed his lure to atheism. And I can't help but notice that both of you had one thing in common.

And here's the thing:

When asked to give account of your Christian experience, you only talked about what you DID for God.

That's not bad.

But it was a reflex action.

It was an expression of your dominant thought (or subconsciuos framework) of what you think it means to be a Christian.

But unfortunately (without prejudice to your labor of love) Christianity is a celeberation of God's grace to us. It's not a celeberation of our works for him.

With due respect just go back to the earliest accounts of your Christian EXPERIENCE (I quoted two of them in my first comment) you'd notice that 100% of your testionies were about your own works. You could not help going back to all the things you have done for God, each time you were asked about your christian EXPERIENCE. But nowhere did I see you mention even one thing that GOD did for you.

Could it be that you never had this EXPERIENCE?

Could it be that you had it but never KNEW about it?

Or...

Could it be that you simply took it for granted?

Whatever the case may be, it was clear from your testimonies that the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S GRACE AND MERCY is yet to dominate your subconscious mind in abundance.


Of course I understand that you are at a crisis point where you are fighting so hard not to give up on God of the Bible entirely. But you kept citing your religious WORKS as a proof that you had held on to this God for a long. And that's exactly my point here.

If you had gained a deep rooted KNOWLEDGE of God's Grace and Mercy you will find it SO DARN HARD to recount the works you did for him. Trust me.

And when His love overwhelms you, even the things you don't yet understand about him or the world, will not permanently keep you away from him. That's the whole essnce of my earlier post.

- Love

The only realm of human experience, where your description of what it means to encounter God is possible, is where your story book called "those who believed have entered REST".

Religious beliefs is only practicable when your reason faculty is numbed,with illusions and delusions.

CHRISTIAN FAITH - having strong feeling that somebody or something is true/exist, without and against reasons.

The exegesis of Bible that you religious folks bring to bear on intelligent writings of atheist, are mere effort at rationalizing the cognitive dissonance that religious beliefs have created in your minds.

Eg

Christians claimed their God is A HEALER (faith), yet when they have malaria fever, they TRUST antimalaria drugs, than their healing God.

Cognitive dissonance - if you Christian believe God heals, you will pray to God to heal you, when you're ill.
But if you don't do that, and you trust medications, then you're cognitively dissonanced.

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while many Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

God and its worship, is just a joke taken too far.

ikorodureporta:
Source: http://punchng.com/church-can-bail-nigeria-out-of-recession-bakare/

The church feels their opinions and ideas still matter. When every serious minded persons and country are fast distancing their lives, from grand illusions and delusions that spring from church.

felixomor:
I can see ur full sorry, "fool" manifestations passed on from ur ape ancestors.

Hehehe, continue,
"scientific" ape.

The only theist on this platform that has measured close to basic reason, logic and intelligence, as far as religious debate is concerned, is shadeyinka.

Of all, you felixomor is the most outstandingly contrapted and queer.

The only reason i reply you, is because of the one at time folk that will be saved from religious delusion, via my writings.

felixomor:
Even the person i directed that answer at already sees the explanation, while u r still wallowing in ur blindness.

U cant even make sense of any explanation.

I am not surprised at all, though.
Like i said earlier, ur conclusion is already spelled out.

Continue to Please urself in ur folly.

Whoever see any sense in your conflicted explanation, must be made of the same puerile mental elements, that you're made of.

Simple logical reasoning you can't make, yet you keep parading your gross emptiness.

felixomor:
Good to know u believe.


Firstly "the knowledge of good and evil" is one of the numerous figurative expressions used in the bible.
It is a "merism".
It is also like "East to West" used in other parts of the bible.
A merism uses two extremes to literally signify an enormous amount of what is being talked about.

If I say I searched "east to west', i may simply be saying, "i searched many places".

The "knowledge of good and evil" also means tremendous amount and variation of knowledge that humans became born with the potential of having after Adam disobeyed.
For example, Today the same computer many people use in saving lives is what some people also use to hack down companies and governments.
Knowledge became highly varied. The sight of naked people became something else other than simple creation.

And for Adam and Eve if blamed, are blamed for disobedience after Eve was deceived by the devil. Nothing else.

I hope this answers u.
Thanks

You're just talking to yourself. Answering the question you asked yourself, and pretending to be answering the question asked by the examiner.

The question is this: how could your legendary Adam and eve have been able to disobey your God, when your God didn't give them (prior to disobedience) sense/capacity to know what OBEDIENCE and DISOBEDIENCE is (sense of morality) ?.

Can you tell a 1 year old toddler not to touch hot pressing iron? The toddler doesn't have capacity to know or understand that instructions. That's exactly the similitude of what your God did.

You failed 0/100 in your response because you didn't in the first place, understand the question asked you.

Go read the fictitious book well, and come and defend the ludicrous action of your God.

felixomor:
I hope u see that u cant even give a pin point answer to ur claims.?
I am just lookin and laughing.
Then u call someone "ratty".
Mscheeeewwww

You will deserve my further response, if you will go ahead to use this your scientific approach to disprove my thread.

Until then, you're as good as your unverified claims.

felixomor:
U always quote things from no where.
Where did God say measles is a spiritual disease?

By the way the man who invented measles vaccine is a Christian.
His parents were even missionaries.

U just keep writing and writing abstract things.
Why

Even though i had concluded on you as a guy who lives in rat holes, still, i will not allow you to mislead folks via my space.

An exegesis of Genesis verses that claimed that your God placed curse (though unjustified) on legendary Adam and eve, brought disease on humans. Paul would later talk about the curse of the law, as responsible for all painful experiences in the world of men.

The above Should help you understand my conclusion. Also below is a reference out of many references that claimed that your God can heal ALL diseases. Is Measles not part of all diseases?

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:



James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


Overwhelming evidences abound, to disprove any healing power of your God.

You're ratty, the reason therefore for your entrapment in pettiness, as always.

ademasta:
If God does not exist, what concerns you then?

Can you not just live your life the way you believe and leave others believe their God?

Must you argue to parsuade people to believe God does not exist, or he is a joker?


Simply let us assume those that believe God exists are living in the dream, as you claim, while you are living in the bright daylight, the question still remains, "what is your business with that?"

One thing i have learnt in this life is to mind my own business. My business ranging from my work, my religion, my believe, policies, principles etc. And I should not try to impose mine on others, neither do i need to rubbish theirs, or try to convince people to believe mine.

If you do not believe in the existence of God, no arguement, we are all on this earth to leave again one day.

Live your life and let others live. Your atheism your business, Their God their business.


Leaving them believe what they believe does not make you less a believer of what you believe. That is it!

Note:Read and understand my post very well it never rubbished or correct your believe, it is you i sent it to. Not your believe. You are entittled to your believe.


Thank you.

Thanks for your contribution.

I will reply to this. Though i had stated this before, but in case you're coming across my writing first time, i will take the effort to educate you on why i write to demystify religious beliefs.

In the real and rational world, God and his children don't fit. If they have been allowed to fit unchallenged, the world would have still remained in stone age civilization.

Eg

During stone age, God and his children concluded that Measles is a spiritual disease, and can only be cured by spiritual rituals.

But you know now that it is horrendous and ignorant claim. Horrendous because many children died needlessly. The most pathetic part is that, till today, God and his children have not still withdraw this insidious claim.

If scientists had not contended ferociously, the religious ignorance of this type, via vaccinations against Measles, what would have been the fate of many children prone to its infection?

Now you have your answer.

felixomor:
Ask questions with an open mind.
No previous conclusions.

You will deserve my further response, if you will go ahead to use this your scientific approach to disprove my thread.

Until then, you're as good as your unverified claims.

felixomor:
Wrong again. Science never does that. Sorry. In short, thats what science is against.

Let's have what your type do then.

DeSepiero:
So do you have an answer as to why Adam and Eve were blamed for doing something 'bad' when they have no prior knowledge of good and evil?

Thanks for helping felixomor limitations.

This is what i expect him and his likes to disprove with superior logical conclusions.

They can't, that i know for sure.

felixomor:
Sorry, u r wrong.
Scientists ask questions and investigate before arriving at conclusions.
He already has a conclusion before his question.
That in itself is a bias.
And thats the point.

Now i know for sure that you are a confirmed Pseudoscientist.

Let me educate you and your likes on this platform.

Scientists don't ask questions in vacuum, questions arise from existing conclusions or assumed conclusions.

Eg

Christians gave me an "assumed conclusion" that God exists.


I took that conclusion to both virtual laboratory of BIBLE and LOGIC, in both labs, the conclusion failed the test of VERACITY.

In my thread, without introducing my research question, there's no way my readers will understand my conclusion.

Do you now understand? Felixomor.