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Why do you have an issue with the Mary. Hatred of Catholics has even made you to say obscene things about Her. You called her a horrible sinner and the likes.

You are so ignorant and blind to truth. I shall not engage you again.

But one last question, what is the name of your church?

blueAgent:
Tell why this is not Idolatry?
On May 13, 1981, a man shot Pope John Paul II. As the
ambulance carried him to the hospital, the Pope kept praying,
“Mary, my mother! Mary, my mother!” One year later, the Pope
made a pilgrimage to Fatima to thank Our Lady of Fatima for
saving his life and to consecrate the entire human race to her.
[27] The video Catholicism: Crisis of Faith shows the Pope
kissing the feet of a statue of Mary. [28]
Millions of pilgrims go to shrines which honor apparitions of
Mary. Every year fifteen to twenty million pilgrims go to
Guadalupe in Mexico, five and a half million go to Lourdes in
France, five million go to Czestochowa (Jasna Gora) in
Poland, and four and a half million go to Fatima in Portugal.
Special dates draw huge crowds. On August 15, half a million
pilgrims go to Czestochowa. On October 13, a million people
go to Fatima. On December 12, 1999, five million pilgrims
went to Mexico to honor Our Lady of Guadalupe.

You can't even read. No where did I see worship. All I saw was honor. So what's your point again?

Op, you see why I was hesitant to engage you in the first place. Because I knew you were one of those kwashiorkor christians who went to 6 weeks Bible School, and feel that they are now knowledgeable enough to condemn anything the Catholic Church does. I knew you lack the Bible knowledge, or even scholarly proficiency to maintain a position. You will only be moving from a point to another, not admitting when enough reason and evidence has been shown you, but moving foolishly to display your ignorance.

Poor protestant, you feel frustrated that every one if your points is being countered, that the Catholic Church is almost effortlessly growing despite your efforts to pull it down, whereas people are leaving your church everyday for another.

I will not tell you to leave your church, but only to focus more on your spiritual life. If you are really spiritual, you will be see the truth, and you will come to the church seeking. Ask John Cardinal Newman.

blueAgent:
So in your mind Catholicism is Christain life?

Stop fooling yourself Catholics worship Mary that is a fact which I proved with my OP.

You are the one who is unable to refute any of the points I listed on the OP.

You asked me to show you how praise and veneration to Mary is different from that if God. I have given you solid reasons and for two days you couldn't reply because you were empty. Only for you to surface and write " you are deceiving yourself".

If you want to reply me, counter what I have written. If not, hold your peace.

blueAgent:
Keep deciving yourself.

It's funny how none the apostles ever venerated Mary.

After shouting that I should show evidence, this is the best you can come up with? You cannot even refute one if my points and you are still writing.

Now you understand why I was hesitant in engaging you at first. You cannot make or hold a point. Continue in your delusion. Continue with your obsession with Catholics instead of your Christian Life.

blueAgent:
Afraid of what? do you know the number of articles and sites I consulted why writing this article and many more on my blog?


The site did nothing, to refute my argument other then the usual we don't worship her we only venerate her.

but the question is how do you say you only venerate her when you demonstrate or give to her all the honour that should be reserved for God?

Worship is a thing of the mind. I might prostrate when greeting my elders but it doesn't mean I am worshiping them. It is an honor I accord to the person because of his status as a older person. Thus, you might see people praising, or honouring Mary. It is not the same as worship.

Catholic Theologians in past centuries, has differentiated the honor/worship we give to God, and the honor/veneration we give to Mary:

Latria: Supreme honor given to God alone. This is also called adoration and worship, giving glory and to God. These words are due to God alone. Thus, you can't find a Catholic saying we worship or adore Mary.

Dulia: honor given to angels and saints. We do not worship them, but recognize and acknowledge the power of God in their lives.

Hyperdulia: the highest form of Dulia given to Mary, the Mother of God.

blueAgent:
You still did not answer my question, a yes or No answer is all I wanted from you.

I have answered your question. Open the link I sent you.
Why are you afraid of doing that? Are you scared you will be wrong?

blueAgent:
You refuted nothing.

I expect you to show me why praying,singing praises,bowing, calling Mary all sort of names and titles is different from worship given to God.

Yes, I refuted nothing because you are supposed to be the one refuting.

You Protestants will just type a simple question, usually a sentence. In answering the questions, Catholics will write Epistles for you, only for you to simply say, " it is wrong". And expect another epistle.

I have simply turned the table around. Read the links and refute the answers that Catholics have given. It is that simple.

blueAgent:
Are you Catholics that naive? non of you can come out to challenge my post with facts.

The question is, is there anything Christains do to honour God that Catholics do not do to Mary?

Are you Protestants that dimwitted?
Is that link not fact enough?
I simply used your own technique on you and you are already tired.

Refute any fact there, I say

blueAgent:
What i have written is beneficial to God and Christaindom.
I would appreciate it if you can disprove my argument and show my how I am wrong.

https://www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/no-catholics-dont-worship-mary/

Can you read that and disprove anything there?

It's really interesting playing the offensive

If only the poster will devote his time to deepening his relationship with God, then it will help him beneficially.

Keep on carrying Catholics on your head. Catholic this, Catholic that.

I hate this Captcha stuff with all my being.
Nonsense and Captcha!

See Bobrisky see Grammer o. Are you sure he wrote that?

Viva Cristos Rey!

Here's an artiste I really admire.
Her songs lifts one's soul.
Congratulations to her.

Make jealousy no kill these people before their time o.

Astark:
they are lazy?

They can go to great countries like united kingdom, Japan without visa.

They have 24 hours light

They have the best universities, bank's, hospitals I'm Africa

They are employment opportunities there

There's no terrorists groups like boko haram, herdsmen and co

They don't indulge in prostitutions, drug trafficking and fraud.

They aren't known for crimes.

They have hosted many world cups tournaments like football,rugby, cricket

They are among world best cities unlike Nigerians overrated slums

If that's why lazy means, then Nigerians should be lazy. They are lazy yet Nigerians want to die there instead of coming back.

They own Nigeria largest mobile network and Nigeria largest shopping malls yet you don't see the Zulus here.

Though your post pained me, I must admit you are right.

My own na many years ago in boarding school. I was in SS2 then and was already hallucinating. (or was it real?) that a small imp spirit was always pushing my bunk at night. It was an Iron bunk and I always hear the creaking of the bunk, FOOTSTEPS along with a pig's grunt every night.

So this particular night, around midnight, I was already awake, dead with fear and shaking. I then heard voices at one corner of the hostel and recognized some of my classmates voices. Relieved, I quickly jumped down and hurried to their corner to tell them my ordeals and stay with them until morning. It turned out they were operating phones, and when they heard my footsteps, they kept still. ( Phones were illegal).

When I got there, I sat on Kelechi's bed. He was fast asleep. I heard FOOTSTEPS and turned around, only for me to see a figure crouching and hurrying towards me! Oboy! I have never been more afraid in my life. I took a moment to take a deep breath, and gave a shout that I was sure would send the demon back to hell. Na so I shout 'Jesuuuuusss' o. Kelechi wey dey deep sleep sef wake up follow me dey shout Jesus Jesus. E come fall from bed, roll enter under e bunk to hide.
Na so the figure reach me;
"Shh Shhhh, no shout abeg. Na me, na Oscar. I come borrow something from Simeon."
I was first shocked, then began to laugh hysterically. My other classmates who were awake joined. Even Kelechi as he came out from under the bunk.

iamJ:
Shoot them

Shoot 2 or 3 the rest go run and people will move on with their lives

Can't disturb 2m people because of 2000 people


They are all mad, they should find another way to wail, imagine families that they will inconvenience because of their issues

You are an insensitive beast.
I hope you will say the same if your relative is one of the protesters

Going through the posts have me another dimension in viewing Nigerians.

As far as other countries are hit hard by this decision they don't care even though the policy is a double-edged sword.

midnighter:
But Catholics messed things up in the first place, that's how Protestants came about

And Protestants are literally doing the same thing they accused the Catholics of. Infact, they are soiling the name of Christianity. Not a week goes by in nairaland without you seeing a headline about crimes pastors committed.
Who is fooling who?

Omoluabi16:
Catholics and their insecurities. Their minds have been permanently shut from biblical reasoning. Their classic response of having the biggest population of 6.8b worldwide is very laughable. When you here people say I am proud to be Catholic and not Christian, then there is a problem.
Population does not matter, after all wide is the way to destruction.

There was an era when Catholicity and Christianity was used interchangeably. To be a Christian was to be Catholic and verse versa.
Our minds have not be shut, but your minds. Look at the state of religion in Nigeria and tell me who has messed things up, Catholics or Protestants?

SilentRiddles:
You know what? Seek special audience to Patrick Edet, the man who this post is about. Ask him what he meant by 'I am now free.' I know what happened to him. God has delivered him finally from all the deceits that you are still in.

Like Nicodemus visited Jesus at night seeking the truth, and Jesus explained to him how he has been living in grand ignorance and delusion all his life, thinking he was serving God. Go to Patrick Edet at night. I should talk to a Catholic priest or father? Really? To tell me what? When I should be expounding the Word to him to save him? I know the two-faced life they live in secret, and put on an artificial garment of holiness in public and to their members. I knew a complete hypocrite like that years ago (a 'father') and I would shake my head.


How can you be truly righteous when you are not born again, as Jesus told Nicodemus? It is the Spirit that quickens the mortal body to live a life that pleases God. You can't force it. The carnal mind (not born again) cannot please God.

My brother, leave rituals and traditions of men ( reading sacramenta, hail Mary and the rest). They cannot save you. Give your life to Christ. Become born again and you'll be set free like Patrick Edet.

Where you aware of what ails him? Did you ever hear him criticize the Catholic Church? He only said he is now free. Truth be told, Patrick Edet tied himself and committed himself to what he knew and understood to be life long. They have roughly 11years of discernment to hear if God was really calling them to the priesthood.

And you know what? He used his hands to apply for the ministries, both as lector, acolyte, deacon and then priest. It has handwritten so that in the future nobody will say he was coerced. He knew what he was signing up for and did it anyway. Now he's saying he's free. Yes, he is indeed free.

I do not blame him for leaving. It's better for him to leave than to stay and soil the name of the sacred Catholic priesthood. He is now free, to marry, have children and do what he wants.

You tell me to be born again. I am. I am born not only of the water of baptism but also of the holy spirit which God gives and which I received again at confirmation. I am daily fed with the body of Christ which I receive at Mass and with God's words heard daily at Mass and private reading.

Go, read and understand before you say things on public media. You will only show your ignorance

SilentRiddles:
You are the ignorant one here. What did I read? I maintain we should stick with the Bible. I don't read false history or 'father said' and regurgitate. I know the Bible enough to know what the catholic church is all about. Most people don't. Oh my, did I touch a nerve cos you just popped up from nowhere, all along afraid to engage me? Counter anything I've said with the Bible or go on to apply a little humility and learn.

What matters most is your personal salvation. It's not about church, but whatever your church teaches must agree with the Word of God. We will give account before God as individuals not as a church. I've been reading the Bible, King James version to be precise, I've not seen chaplet there neither have I seen who bowed down for Mary. Let's grow up, eternity is eternal!!!

Have you been to a Catholic church before, NO!
Have you met a priest to explain things to you, No!
Have you even picked up a cathechism book to read for understanding, No.

Keep fooling yourself. If you have done one of this, you can't be wallowing in ignorance. You claim that we don't read the Bible. Lol. Really myopic. We read three readings from the scriptures every Sunday and two on weekdays. I mean, really long passages which the priests explains at homily. But you don't know that, do you? You don't even know that the readings are arranged in such a way that in a year, the whole Bible is covered. Ignorance, I say.

Afraid to engage you? As if. If only you know...

SilentRiddles:
Lol. Goodnight. I wish the best for you. I pray the Spirit of God ministers to you tonight and give you understanding of the deep things of His word in Jesus' name (AMEN). I know what you don't know. Deep things. But I understand where you're coming from. It's not surprising.

Goodnight. The love and mercies of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. He will show you things tonight in your dreams like He did to Saul.

Go and sleep and stop displaying your ignorance. You think you can read nonsense and start regurgitating it in public. Apply a little humility and learn

Alexaonfleek:
I hope you've read the Bible passages I gave you.its not like you'll admit you're wrong anyways.if you want more biblical references on our teachings and doctrines make use of Google or better still feel free to visit any Catholic church near you for further clarification.

My sister, don't bother yourself with him. Talk from today to tomorrow, he's mind is made up. It so quite easier to attack than defend. I can easily write " all pastors are fake" in four seconds and leave you to write an epistle for me which I will still dispute.

So don't waste your precious time with him. Leave him to his ignorance. But this I know, a day will come when penticostals will honor Mary and start naming churches after her. It will surely come

I saw a crazy one recently.

English: she is smelling, do not touch her.
Pidgin: she dey smell, no Tacha

You don't want to change church, but you want him to change from a church instituted by Christ himself to a man-made church. You didn't give him an opportunity to even explain some of the doctrines of the church and you already concluded. Sorry Miss, your years of built up prejudice and ignorance cost you your engagement not his Faith.

SirGod:
Though it may be church, any building/gathering can be church, -joy of satan chuch, st janet cathedral church e.t.c so all na church, originally they are not CHUCH OF CHRIST that is CHRISTIANITY.

What I understand about catholic is that it is a Domination itself, not CHRISTIANITY.

catholic has been in existence thousands of years back before CHRISTIANITY.

That is why they practise what you see them doing today.

And your reason for saying this is because?
Conduct proper research Sir, and stop displaying ignorance.

No, we are a strong and happy people despite all the happenings. We must give ourselves credit for that. Not many western nations can survive the ordeals we are passing through.

Though at times, we tend to be happy and optimistic to the point of foolishness. One of our tragic flaws.

Even though the returnees are not entitled to any benefit, I must confess that I expected more from the government, especially as they can afford to give 5.5b naira to some old rich men to buy cars that they already have.

Nice move by Coscharis. Apart from it's positive economic implications, it is also an avenue for job creation.

It is quite impressive.