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Jenwitemi:
African traditional pagan religions are far more tolerant because they are vastly more spiritually grounded something which is the central quality of all pagan religions anywhere on the planet.

Eventhou I agree with the spirit of your contribution, African spirituality isn't a pagan religion, our spiritual is where the concept of religion in itself was adopted, based on the Eurocentric definition of paganism, it's the foreign extremist ideologies that are pagan, as they are directly connected to ideologies that belong in such category.

Furthermore, those foreign extremist ideologies and their commentators don't qualify to define our spirituality, they are simply unqualified by every stretch of ones imagination.

The only true narrative regarding African intellectual properties are the one's determined by the African, by default, all other narratives are wrong and invalid.

Paramountgift:
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Be in no doubt, those who have been taught the truth (again with the exception of the elderly, even though some of our elderly are already conscious, and that's brilliant) and continue to does the bidding of the enemies, will be condemned by history.

As long as it takes for us to sort out the mess you're causing in the lives of innocent Africans, is the amount of time ya'll traitors and intentional peddlers of false and malicious rhetoric will be codemned by history.

Paramountgift:
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It's people such as you that are the abnormalities of the 21st century, perhaps the best step is for us to begin labelling your kind as the derranged and the treacherous beings you really are.

My advice is for you to delete all the garbage you wrote and attempt to make some sense.

In my acknowledgement of Madam Harriet Tubman and how she put it, not everyone can be saved, some simply don't won't to be saved, Madam Harriet Tubman was referring to the physical atrocity, here I'm making reference to the mental atrocity.

I pay my due respect to the elderly, my interventions are never directed at you, I understand, what is already understood needn't be talked about.

My focus is on us our generation and the ones to come, us have no excuse whatsoever. Here in the year 2021, there's simply no excuse for the current generations to be brainwashed by these foreign extremist ideologies.

Paramountgift:
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The Christian bible isn't a history textbook nor is it a measuring tool for ethical standards as the authors would have anyone believe.

In all reality, the Abrahamic religious text are malicious tools of conquerors manufactured specifically for those reasons.

Show your affection to your loved ones every day of the year; every year of our existence.

Let's not assist with the perpetuation of a diabolic and vampiric festival.

One doesn't need to wait until any specific day of any specific year for one to show how much we love one another.

During the original ceremony (Lupercalia) that would later be given the name Valentine's Day, adherents of these diabolic and vampiric festivals would sacrifice a goat, strip the flesh of the goat into thin slices and make it into a whip (koboko), they would dip the strips into the blood of the sacrificial goat and used the whip to commit henoius atrocities on their women.

Incidentally, they named the whip 'Februa'.

This is the origins of 'Valentine's Day' and has nothing to does with a fictional character named St Valentine.

How does an arrow going through a heart (even though the heart doesn't really look anything similar to the image depicted) symbolise love and affection?

An arrow shot through the heart doesn't symbolise love and affection, instead it symbolises pain or worse.

What is Valentine's Day really about?

Valentine's Day is a perpetuation of an olden days Eurocentric festival they use to honour their god of shepherds.

Generically, Valentine's Day has little or nothing to does with love or affection for our or anyone else's loved ones, however it is connected to sexual orgies, fornication, adultery, rape, lust, malicious drukedness e.t.c

In Roman and Greek mythology, Lupercus is identified with the Roman god who is the equivalent of the Greek god Pan Lupercus.

The Lupercus festival is celebrated on the 15th of February and was known as the Lupercalia.

It's important to note that "La Lupa Capitoline" (also known as Lupercal) is the matriarch of Rome. This narrative can be found in the story of Romulus and Remus.

In essence, Valentine's Day is a perpetuation of Roman and Greek mythology with the invention of a fictional character they now call St Valentine.

Valentine's Day is not what it seems, this diabolic holiday is symbolic of a vamperic festival.

St Valentine is a fictional character that was invented so as to perpetuate the vamperic holiday of an olden days Eurocentric concept.

Show love and affection to your loved ones every day of the year and don't leave it to a holiday that is symbolic of evil and heinous activities of other people.

Let's concentrate our focus on making our world a better place, opposed to perpetuating unecessary fear mongering.

The Covid plandemic is s massive facade.

mansakhalifa:
Of course, saying that Africa got its name from a Roman general in the former of Scipio Africanus is absolute rubbish.

Actually, Africa was already known as Africa even long before the Punic Wars of the 2nd century BC.

Scipio got the nickname/agnomen, 'Africanus' after his heroics on the African continent during the Second Punic War. That was right after the battle of Zama where he had defeated the greatest African general of that time- Hannibal.

This thread cements what I was trying to point out to a misinformed nairalander the other day.

It is most welcome.

Thank you.

You're contribution is well appreciated.

Did a Roman General name our continent, Africa?

The short answer is No.

The lengthy answer is as well a categorical No.

Firstly, to put things into their proper context, in its original form, the term that would later be Romanised into 'Africa', predates Rome in itself.

The Eurocentric narrative that states that our continent gets named after a Roman General is completely and utterly false.

Secondly,

Question:

Did a Roman General get their name from conquering Africa?

Answer:

No, that is merely a malicious piece of propaganda.

Why?

Due to the fact that the Roman General that the Eurocentric narrative depends upon is better known as Publius Cornelius Scipio.

Who was Publius Cornelius Scipio or Scipio Africanussic?

According to Roman history, his real name was Publius Cornelius Scipio Jr, as he answered to the exact same name as his father, Publius Cornelius Scipio Sr.

Africanus was his nickname.

Let's name them Publius Jr and Publius Sr.

Publius Jr was involved in the Punic wars with Carthage and had little or nothing to does with the continent as a whole as the nickname would suggest.

At the time, both the Carthaginians and Romans was invaders fighting against each other over who gets to loot and plunder land for the longest duration; land that didn't originally belong to them.

The Carthaginians was said to originate from Lebanon, Romans from Italy.

Furthermore, eventhough Publius Jr was an exceptional military commander, one that would eventually get the better of Carthage, he barely conquered Carthage, never mind anywhere else.

TAO11:
It doesn’t really matter how little other Aworis see the Lagos island throne at its beginnings. Moreover, the realtive positions appear to have reversed for some centuries now.

My irrefutable stance, however, is that the throne’s lineage is an Awori patrilineal lineage starting from Ashipa up to his son Ado (whose mom is Bini), and all the way to Eletu Kekere.

It was at the point of Ologun Kutere’s reign that the Ijesha patrilineal line (with his matrilineal side being Awori/Bini) began and up till the present moment. This is the point I’m making.

NB: Kutere’s dad (Alaagba) is Ijesha. While his mom (Erelu Kuti) is the daughter of Ado (who himself is the son of the Yoruba progenitor, Ashipa). Kutere’s legitimacy to the throne was thus through his mom’s (Kuti’s) side.

The bolded statement here is a gross inaccuracy and falsehood. There is no basis for it.

All Aworis pride themselves as sons and daughters of Olofin — referring to the first diasporan Olofin, Olofin Ogunfunminire.

Guess where Olofin Ogunfunminire’s base was when the Aworis arrived diaspora from Ife. Take a wild guess. His base was in Isheri.

The popular river which runs through Lagos and Ogun states and popularly known in Nigeria today as the Ogun River (along which Isheri lies) was specifically named after him.

It is, in full, called “Odo Ogunfunminire” which became more popularly known in modern times as “Odo Ogun” after which Ogun State was later named.

The Kings of Isheri till date continue to retain the royal title Olofin which many Awori Kings are not privileged to use because of the great reverence for the title.

Isheri is the Olu-Ilu of the Aworis and its ruler is the direct heir of Olofin Ogunfunminire himself being where he also reigned at.

There have been many songs made about it in the past millennium some of which I can share with you.

In fact, very recently (just a month or two ago) at Ile-Ife, this issue came up — before the Ooni himself —among all Awori kings of both Lagos and Ogun states.

The Aworis of Lagos made the stance abundantly and resoundingly clear in the presence of the Ooni of Ife and while the Olota simply listened along.

Why do you think one of the lines in Awori praise poem goes as follows?:

“Omo ka fi opa wa, ka fi aje wa, ka fi ogedegede-owo wa oko de Ile-Isheri”.

Isheri is Awori’s capital. Like we say: “Isheri-Ile ko pe meji”.

Peace!

Teach!

Nothing to add to that meticulous breakdown, however I will add supporting material in order to reinforce the above.


Here is a medley of praise songs 'Oriki Awori', ft Alhaji Aremu Ajobiewe, Tunde Balogun and a host of extras.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjh9Zzcmewg&list=PLA9D55F08A96601F6&index=4

Bask in the glory of these praise songs from start to the conclusion or Fast forward to timeframe 0:44 to catch the specified praise song;

TAO11:
“Omo ka fi opa wa, ka fi aje wa, ka fi ogedegede-owo wa oko de Ile-Isheri”.

tollyboy5:
But I'll always refuse the ife legend anyday anytime. We're all on this research together no ife should claim supremy origing over ijebu on this Matter

As a self proclaimed royalist, I have to disagree with you on that note.

All that I know, and all that I think I know was inherited to me by my parents, heroes and ancestors.

I have no appetite for those who wish to throw our parents under a bus.

tollyboy5:
Many legends has similar story and the bible has it own of the Noah times.
Do the western Africa predates these legends?

Noah story is fake and counterintuitive.

All these Abrahamic religious stories are meant to brainwash people into disregarding reality.

What us MUST begin to partake now is to bin all those false narratives from these foreign extremist ideologies from our consciousness and concentrate our focus on reality.

tollyboy5:
Sir if the Sumerian tablet are nothing to write home about . what have our own ancestors written ?

Our?

You aren't sounding continental.

Again, perhaps you didn't get it at first, Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

What does that tell us?


That tells us that Africans are the first people to become literate.

Our parents are the ones who conceived the concepts of literacy and numeracy.

tollyboy5:
How come the west African ancestors never made any autographical record like the Sumerians and the Egyptians?

Africans invented paper and invented the ink pen.

When the olden days Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers began their distruption, they wagged war on African literacy.

When was your most recent visit to a museum.

What is that important that people would rid off their earned cash to visit places such as that?

A museum that holds unlawfully obtained artefacts is the aftermath of desecration and intellectual warfare.

tollyboy5:
All religious account I read on Christianity leads back to re the sun God of Egypt .

Interesting.

Indeed, Christianity is a combination of fakery and falsehood.

The ancient Egyptians was never cited in any of these foreign extremist religions and yet they copied, plagiarised, falsified our intellectual property.

And to add insult to injewelry, these foreign extremist ideologies took it upon themselves in an audacious attempt of demonizing their own sources.

tollyboy5:
Its accepted most things started from Africa .

This isn't an attack on your common sense logic.

I merely though it necessary to point this out.

I get what you meant here, but it isn't most things, as in, chatell slavery didn't start in Africa, unholy wars didn't start on our continent.

All the better things in life did actually start in our continent.

tollyboy5:
..was it west Africa or east Africa.

That is irrelevant at the moment.

There are more important things for us to accomplish in this world of ours, gloating isn't one of them.

What difference does that make?

The main thing is for all continentals to acknowledge these facts.

That is worth more than its worth in talent.

tollyboy5:
Okay I'll accept your submission. If you say so.
But have you read the Sumerian tablets ?
And other ancient traces of some kind of invasion on this planet?

Have you tried considering how true Atlantis stories were and the Plato theory on Atlantis . Plato is well know philosopher before the Aristotle and others came onboard.
Do western Africa predate those legends?

History of origin of mankind is not easy to conclude without considering artifact and migration legend.
The story of atlantis might be worrying but an island sinking under water is not a new story.

Many legends has similar story and the bible has it own of the Noah times.
Do the western Africa predates these legends?

These are some of the reasons that the bible is fake, false and counterintuitive.

By your own admission, you say many of the stories are similar to those of Abrahamic religious text.

And that's correct, however many of the Sumerian tales aren't anything to right home about.

As I said earlier, these are tales of Asian origin, hence it has no bearing to the African.

The only interest that arise from the Assyrians and Akkadians is when one goes into real history.

All there tales and stories are of no interest to people such as me.

Yes, I have studied them in the context that it warrants but that's all that would ever be, in that context of study to compare and contrast parts of the history of that region and the place it alongside these false narratives.

tollyboy5:
Okay I'll accept your submission. If you say so.
But have you read the Sumerian tablets ?
And other ancient traces of some kind of invasion on this planet?

Sumer is Asian, Iraq, Iran typography and pretty young compared to our continent.

50% of world history occurred within our continent, and that's a conservative estimate.

Yes, the Assyrians, Akkadians arent ancient when in terms of the African

tollyboy5:
Amujale do you then accept that ijebu are from ife?

Yes that sounds about correct.

The main take here is that Ijebu are from Yorubaland, Nigeria.

That is a rhetorical question

West African are good with their gloriousness already.

After meticulous study and analysis, all the serious minded historian has always come to the conclusion that the communities on our continent West, South, Central predate the communities in North of our continent.

Why?

Simply due to the fact that these are the same people who found the communities North of our continent.

There are many things that are hidden from public consciousness, and in order for one to be able to come to terms with such, one MUST be able to free ourselves from phycological probes and malicious constructs.

According to all the evidence, West African communities predate those of Northern areas of our continent.

The logic here is that, civilisation moved down the Nile. Such notion is replicated in various communities around the world, the study of civilisation and its movement within the presence of bodies of water.

Jebusites are as real as the Israelites and us already know that the Israelites never existed outside of the pages of Abrahamic religious related text.

Those who make these unsubstantiated claims about Waddai and or Arabia being their origin, are completely and utterly wrong.

The narratives relating to Waddai is an Arabian fundamentalist construct that is baseless and perpetuates the same fakery and falsehood that us MUST bin.

Through our everyday lives when one would look up during the day, the Sun is there.

One could easily say, it's always been there, and will always be there for us.

Yet, how old is our Sun?

According to the analytical proof, our Sun is estimated to being over 4.5 billion years old.

Our planet is estimated to being at least 4.5 billion years old as stated here:

Amujale:
The age of the Earth is estimated to be 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age may represent the age of the Earth's accretion, or core formation, or of the material from which the Earth formed.

FlordFlorez:
That means our planet earth is way older than the sun.

Amujale:
How is that?

The Sun is over 4.5 billion years old.

https://www.almanac.com/content/how-old-sun

Amujale:
I agree with you that our planet is older than our sun, however, to say 'way older'?

In terms of their age and other innumerable facets, it's been proven that our planet and our sun are relative to one another.

Our planet is estimated to being at least 4.5 billion years old.